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Covid Origin
    #28414307 - 07/30/23 05:54 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

I just wonder how many of you feel like fucking idiots for believing that covid came from nature, now that this report has come out:

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“America’s leading health officials vilified and suppressed the lab leak theory in pursuit of a preferred, coordinated narrative that was not based in truth or science. The Select Subcommittee’s report proves that the conclusions championed by the co-authors of Proximal Origin are not only inaccurate, but were crafted to appease a stated political motive,” said Chairman Wenstrup. “Stifling scientific discourse and labeling those who believe in the possibility of a lab-leak as ‘conspiracy theorists’ caused irrefutable harm to public trust in our health officials. Americans deserve to know why honesty, transparency, and facts were abandoned. Our report is devoted to achieving that goal.”




The same folks who are wrong about everything on the shroomery political forum were, of course, wrong about this.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28414344 - 07/30/23 06:20 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

You do realize that the oversight committee is a political body?  Don't answer, there is 0 chance you do.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28414387 - 07/30/23 07:01 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

Maybe you could summarize the testimony that led them to the statements made in this report, because I skimmed Kristian Anderson's contribution and it doesn't support the statements in the report. Thanks.


Edited by falcon (07/30/23 07:07 PM)


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28414421 - 07/30/23 07:38 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

I bet you feel like you can call people idiots for believing something contrary to what you pointed to without  you having a look at the testimony  used to contrive what you pointed to.


Edited by falcon (07/30/23 07:59 PM)


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #28414436 - 07/30/23 08:04 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

Wait a minute. Covid was not caused by 5G?

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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28414484 - 07/30/23 08:53 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

Hahaha. You think covid was real? The idiots are closer than you think.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: ukufu]
    #28414503 - 07/30/23 09:07 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

This isn't the place for conspiracy theories. Discuss the report if you want to, but keep the bullshit to a minimum.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28414568 - 07/30/23 10:16 PM (5 months, 25 days ago)

I have zero interest in a report that came out of a house committee that thinks it has any business pretending to be virologists and evolutionary biologists. It’s a political body pretending to do science while complaining about the politicization of science.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods] * 1
    #28414621 - 07/31/23 12:08 AM (5 months, 25 days ago)

Much like the UFO panel, this is just another example of 'the government' creating a venue for seriously brain broken conspiracy minded folks to shout: "You all SaId I WAS CRazY, bUt LoOK!!"

Bro, nobody cares. Seriously, just let it go.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #28414709 - 07/31/23 03:48 AM (5 months, 25 days ago)

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Much like the UFO panel, this is just another example of 'the government' creating a venue for seriously brain broken conspiracy minded folks to shout: "You all SaId I WAS CRazY, bUt LoOK!!"

Bro, nobody cares. Seriously, just let it go.




It’s opinions like these that make me so happy this is a message board in a smallish quarter of the internet and such contributors are not pushing levers of interest and steering the world.

It has always been the case for our species that the outliers routinely make the great breakthroughs. And the road to flagellate them verbally or otherwise has always been the road well travelled. It’s kinda why we’re so bound up and screwed up as a species.

Jon Stewarts bit on the origin  vis a vee your late show said it best. Sorry possums.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Milleresque] * 1
    #28414797 - 07/31/23 07:05 AM (5 months, 25 days ago)

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It’s opinions like these that make me so happy this is a message board in a smallish quarter of the internet and such contributors are not pushing levers of interest and steering the world.

It has always been the case for our species that the outliers routinely make the great breakthroughs. And the road to flagellate them verbally or otherwise has always been the road well travelled. It’s kinda why we’re so bound up and screwed up as a species.

Jon Stewarts bit on the origin  vis a vee your late show said it best. Sorry possums.




Of course this works both ways.  I highly doubt that many break throughs were brought about during the black plague by those that were running around religiously beating themselves thinking self punishment would help.  I would still say those treating patients wearing the mask that made them look like crows would have a better chance of break through.
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Re: Covid Origin [Re: gww]
    #28414826 - 07/31/23 07:58 AM (5 months, 25 days ago)

Even if the virus came from a lab leak, it doesn't mean it was man made, or weaponize or whatever.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Milleresque] * 1
    #28414866 - 07/31/23 08:58 AM (5 months, 25 days ago)

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Lynnch said:
Much like the UFO panel, this is just another example of 'the government' creating a venue for seriously brain broken conspiracy minded folks to shout: "You all SaId I WAS CRazY, bUt LoOK!!"

Bro, nobody cares. Seriously, just let it go.




It’s opinions like these that make me so happy this is a message board in a smallish quarter of the internet and such contributors are not pushing levers of interest and steering the world.

It has always been the case for our species that the outliers routinely make the great breakthroughs. And the road to flagellate them verbally or otherwise has always been the road well travelled. It’s kinda why we’re so bound up and screwed up as a species.

Jon Stewarts bit on the origin  vis a vee your late show said it best. Sorry possums.




This report is not scientific. It is a political statement made by people pushing a particular agenda.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods] * 2
    #28414937 - 07/31/23 10:29 AM (5 months, 25 days ago)

i think its probably likely that the covid outbreak that started in wuhan china more than likely had something to do with the covid lab thats in wuhan china.

but thats just a wild ass guess.

it could have just been a random mutation from a bat kissing a turkey.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: rxb]
    #28415046 - 07/31/23 12:06 PM (5 months, 25 days ago)

The vast majority of things that exist, exist due to randomness. The evidence for a man made mutation is actually pretty much zero when you consider that. It's only been about 100,000 years that humans have had any control over science, and science in the modern abstract form is really like about 100 years old. Top level science where we control and manipulate nature is closer to like 60 years old. We didn't even detect the first SARS type sickness until 2003. So that ability was less than 20 years old when COVID-19 happened. Even China's enemies admit that covid didn't come from a lab in Wuhan. So take a step back from the crazy and just get over it. If you want to do conspiracy theories go to the right forum.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: christopera]
    #28415090 - 07/31/23 01:14 PM (5 months, 25 days ago)

Billions of imperfect viral copies being made in each of the billions of people infected. That’s a lot of darwinian experimentation going on and a lot of evolution happening very quickly. Same thing happening in animals. A stray electron here, a random mismatch there is all it takes for nature to stumble upon a new virus that suddenly works really well in a human. A virus seemingly tailor made for a human is not evidence it eas intelligently designed.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28415225 - 07/31/23 03:26 PM (5 months, 25 days ago)

now if you asked me for a conspiracy thory, i would say trump involved himself to start covid because he wanted to be a hero, and then couldnt get out of his own way enough to just be the hero.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28415884 - 08/01/23 07:34 AM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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I have zero interest in a report that came out of a house committee that thinks it has any business pretending to be virologists and evolutionary biologists. It’s a political body pretending to do science while complaining about the politicization of science.





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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28415886 - 08/01/23 07:35 AM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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Billions of imperfect viral copies being made in each of the billions of people infected. That’s a lot of darwinian experimentation going on and a lot of evolution happening very quickly. Same thing happening in animals. A stray electron here, a random mismatch there is all it takes for nature to stumble upon a new virus that suddenly works really well in a human. A virus seemingly tailor made for a human is not evidence it eas intelligently designed.





Don't forget all the organisms coming out of the ice that had been suspended for centuries/millenia


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Tulipslave]
    #28416144 - 08/01/23 12:18 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

the furin cleavage site was engineered and was always proposed as being the most devastating bioweapon platform.

they have never found a coronavirus that is coded for human furin cleavage and the scientists say theres like 1 in 3 billion chance it could have randomly evolved

the governments have all the evidence it was a chinese-us endeavor with a bunch of interested parties. it could be intentionally released as a kind of half vaccine that could protect from future sars strains because they knew there was no lasting vaccine and thats what lots of research was dedicated to. could be a pretext for isolationist policy with china or consolidation of regulatory capture. could have been a leak or all of the above. could be some nwo shit but this isnt the conspiracy forum. 

it does seem like the gov-pharma monopolies are trying to mutate it. the mandates were essentially a gain of function experiment in humans where the virus was transmitted asymptomatically while pressured by epitopes concentrated around the receptor binding domain, likely queuing and enhanced arms race around the switch that regulates ur blood pressure.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416201 - 08/01/23 01:12 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

:goodmorning:


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated] * 1
    #28416203 - 08/01/23 01:18 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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the furin cleavage site was engineered and was always proposed as being the most devastating bioweapon platform.

they have never found a coronavirus that is coded for human furin cleavage and the scientists say theres like 1 in 3 billion chance it could have randomly evolved




Quick, nobody tell these "scientists" each infected individual generates 109-1011 of copies of the virus.  I think that's bigger than a billion

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7685332/

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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28416226 - 08/01/23 01:38 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

lol


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416239 - 08/01/23 01:48 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

each organism has specific codon usage that would result in a different protein in another organism


we have a bat coronoavirus with human specific codons in the bioweapony parts


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416243 - 08/01/23 01:50 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)



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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28416247 - 08/01/23 01:51 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

this is politics bro


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416248 - 08/01/23 01:52 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

https://virological.org/t/tackling-rumors-of-a-suspicious-origin-of-ncov2019/384

and as such u should understand that many ppls jobs are at risk


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416251 - 08/01/23 01:54 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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this is politics bro



Which is exactly why your conspiracy theories don't belong here.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28416254 - 08/01/23 01:58 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

theres a lot of fake studies in that thread i posted, like at the end when the thread was locked. but those ppl are probably going to take the fall for starting the research in wuhan while getting paid off.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416256 - 08/01/23 01:59 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

Alright, so you got your warning.  Now it's time to either post a peer-reviewed article to support your claim or take it to the conspiracy forum.  It doesn't belong here.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28416258 - 08/01/23 02:02 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

peer review?


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416259 - 08/01/23 02:03 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

Yes...Like this, only supporting your nonsense theory.



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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416261 - 08/01/23 02:05 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

That does not support your claim.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28416262 - 08/01/23 02:06 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

cant argue with taylor and francis


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416264 - 08/01/23 02:07 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

It doesn't support your claim.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28416273 - 08/01/23 02:13 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

it takes longer to peer review then weve had a pandemic bro lmao i can give 100 non peer reviewed studies without funding


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416278 - 08/01/23 02:20 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

u realize for something to recombine it has to exist right?


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416279 - 08/01/23 02:20 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

also stop changing ur posts


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416280 - 08/01/23 02:21 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

None of that is relevant to the issue at hand.  Your claim is nothing more than an unsupported conspiracy theory.  It does not belong here.  I'm done discussing it.  You've been given fair warning.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416282 - 08/01/23 02:24 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/22/12/6490

not only was it optimized for humans but mechanically engineered to keep expressing and not turn off


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416284 - 08/01/23 02:25 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

can u give an example first


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416296 - 08/01/23 02:39 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/22/12/6490

not only was it optimized for humans but mechanically engineered to keep expressing and not turn off




im not finding engineered or mechanically in the article.

i am not up to date on common language for virologists but i dont see the support of your claim here.

could you please quote the paragraph you believe is stating that covid was mechanically engineered.

i would point out to you that things like 'insertion'and 'cleavage' arent necessarily describing artificial actions.

i would also say that i am of the school of thought that if a virus breaks out in an area right beside a virus lab, that more than likely the lab was somehow involved, be it purposeful or accidental.

if im beside a golf course and a golfball crashes through my sunroof i dont suspect it fell out of an airplane.

but what im getting from the article is the mechanisms by which covid was able to quickly infect human hosts and not how it was engineered to do so.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: rxb]
    #28416298 - 08/01/23 02:42 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

its not hard to balkanize language when schools are based on creating job markets


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416301 - 08/01/23 02:46 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

I suspect you’re going to get some ratings soon.


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    #28416304 - 08/01/23 02:48 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

yeah i said it could be a ton of scenarios just not from nature


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    #28416306 - 08/01/23 02:51 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

None of your linked articles say it couldn't be from nature.  As a result, your hypothesis that it must be engineered is squarely in the conspiracy theory category and doesn't belong here.


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    #28416311 - 08/01/23 02:55 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

do u ask an expert witness about other ppls conflicts

i cant prove anything with bayesian modeling just list studies with high p values


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    #28416313 - 08/01/23 02:56 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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i cant prove anything



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    #28416320 - 08/01/23 03:00 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

We observed a weak positive correlation between codon usage of SARS-CoV-2 viral genes and all human genes (protein-coding fragments; linear correlation coefficient (CC) = 0.07, Supplementary Table S1). This is consistent with a recent study in which it was shown that codon usage tended to be more similar to that of symptomatic hosts than that of natural hosts, supporting a concept of the general deleterious effect of excessive codon usage similarity between virus and host [12]. Interestingly, the CGG codon is a frequently used codon among arginine codons (AGR, R = A or G; CGN, N = A, T, G or C) in the human protein-coding genes and the rarest one among all codons in SARS-CoV-2 (Supplementary Table S1). For highly expressed ribosomal genes this tendency is weaker (frequency: CGC—24%, AGA—18%, CGG—17%, AGG—15%, CGA—13%, CGT—13%) [13]. It should be noted that most CG-containing codons are somewhat depleted in human protein-coding genes, and almost all CG-containing codons are substantially depleted in SARS-CoV-2 (Supplementary Table S1). This contrasting behavior of CGG codons (0.02% vs. 1.15%) and somewhat similar behavior of the CG-containing codons, in general, in the viral and host genomes remains an open question; various explanations have been put forward [14,15,16,17].


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    #28416502 - 08/01/23 05:09 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

he deleted a study cause it wasnt peer reviewed :cool2:


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I deleted a post because it was conspiracy theory.


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https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/22/12/6490

not only was it optimized for humans but mechanically engineered to keep expressing and not turn off




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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28416529 - 08/01/23 05:35 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

its probably not necessary for a mod to delete something that shows where your personal political opinion comes from.

since this is a politics subforum and not a scientific one.

but i think you are reading things into that data that the scientists are not claiming.

rare things still happen in nature. unusual things happen in nature. and while that study may lend itself to SUPPORT a claim, it isnt a claim unto itself.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: rxb] * 1
    #28416548 - 08/01/23 05:54 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

It is a slippery slope in here, and you're pretty new.  This forum has on many occasions gotten bogged down in conspiracy theories.  This thread in particular was basically started from the perspective of a conspiracy theorist.  While I do believe this is a legitimate political topic given the report, I'm not going to let this turn into one of the 100 other covid conspiracy threads on this site.


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    #28416549 - 08/01/23 05:56 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

I do agree that a furin cleavage site is exactly the kind of modification a researcher would make to a virus to improve its fitness. And there are papers out there where this type of insertion has been made to see how it changed the virus/host interaction. But nature could stumble upon this insertion itself and it is exactly the type of adaptation that would bring a virus to our attention by causing a worldwide pandemics. Without the furin cleavage site, sars-cov2 would never have taken off in a human population.

In the end there really is no evidence of either the natural or lab leak theories, and there probably will never be. I think we should accept that we may never know, and it’s not an appropriate topic for political debate.

I do think it’s interesting that if the original virus is manmade, it only took nature a few months to improve upon that creation and drive the original virus into extinction.


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    #28416557 - 08/01/23 06:01 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

most models put it around 1 in 3 billion but i think that there are so many factors that lead to evolution and it seems we only have heavily tampered with influenza viruses as a standard for viral genetic drift

if u want more studies we need ecological surveillance which is a big interest in all this coming from the darpa side of things


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28416570 - 08/01/23 06:13 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

The furin cleavage insertion is only four codons. If this was a virus that is widespread and replicating in an animal population practically every possible mutation has occurred, and the furin site mutation is such a significant gain of function that it is highly selectable during host interactions.

It’s a very interesting scientific mystery that has been ruined by politics. It’s also medically irrelevant. There’s really nothing to gain from having law enforcement involved in investigating the origins. I don’t really care what the FBI assessment is. Without documented proof that someone made this virus or a confession, I don’t think any circumstantial evidence will be sufficient to make accusations of responsibility


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28416629 - 08/01/23 07:09 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

its really easy to do its like 1 in 4^12 with a lil tweaks based on the base


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28416650 - 08/01/23 07:20 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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I do think it’s interesting that if the original virus is manmade, it only took nature a few months to improve upon that creation and drive the original virus into extinction.




That makes sense.  In a lab setting, you're gonna run a bunch of simulations to derive the changes you think you want and then do a limited number of experiments to see if the simulations were accurate.  In a pandemic, the virus is making bazillions of subtly mutated copies of itself driven primarily by randomness but bounded by selective pressures that effectively force the result of a virus better adapted for survival than a human produced product.  Just like how domesticated livestock wouldn't survive in the wild despite extensive breeding for "desirable" traits


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    #28416659 - 08/01/23 07:25 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

Without knowing the conditions and how much replication is occurring, that number is meaningless.


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there are tiny little replication machines.

astronomical odds are exactly what they do :smile:


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    #28416928 - 08/02/23 12:19 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

A computer virus is actual a very good metaphor. Viruses are actually self contained software that programs the hosts cellular machinery to make copies of itself.


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    #28419231 - 08/03/23 07:08 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Much like the UFO panel, this is just another example of 'the government' creating a venue for seriously brain broken conspiracy minded folks to shout: "You all SaId I WAS CRazY, bUt LoOK!!"

Bro, nobody cares. Seriously, just let it go.




It’s opinions like these that make me so happy this is a message board in a smallish quarter of the internet and such contributors are not pushing levers of interest and steering the world.

It has always been the case for our species that the outliers routinely make the great breakthroughs. And the road to flagellate them verbally or otherwise has always been the road well travelled. It’s kinda why we’re so bound up and screwed up as a species.

Jon Stewarts bit on the origin  vis a vee your late show said it best. Sorry possums.




This report is not scientific. It is a political statement made by people pushing a particular agenda.




They don't have to be scientific.  Whether the covid virus was man-made and leaked from a lab is not a scientific matter.  It's a political matter.  They also talked about the suppression and smearing of people who doubt the official narrative on covid, this is further proof that this matter is political.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28419246 - 08/03/23 07:21 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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It’s a very interesting scientific mystery that has been ruined by politics. It’s also medically irrelevant. There’s really nothing to gain from having law enforcement involved in investigating the origins. I don’t really care what the FBI assessment is. Without documented proof that someone made this virus or a confession, I don’t think any circumstantial evidence will be sufficient to make accusations of responsibility




It's hard to obtain proof that the virus was man-made.  Anybody smart enough to design such a virus is smart enough to cover his tracks.  And there is even less of a chance for a confession.  But this doesn't definitively prove that the virus arose randomly/is not man-made.  I think that you should keep an open mind, and explore all the different theories out there.  Don't be quick to toss a viewpoint out because it's "conspiracy theory".  What if the virus was truly man-made?  This possibility hasn't been ruled out completely.


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    #28419276 - 08/03/23 07:35 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Well I don’t care about the political argument. Scientifically there is no evidence to make any conclusions either way. If you are going to accuse someone of starting a global pandemic, you need extraordinarily strong evidence.


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    #28419301 - 08/03/23 07:42 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Well I don’t care about the political argument. Scientifically there is no evidence to make any conclusions either way. If you are going to accuse someone of starting a global pandemic, you need extraordinarily strong evidence.



But nobody is accusing anybody specific.  They are just saying that the virus could have been man-made.  And if they have evidence, then I am willing to give them a chance to state their case.

I think a responsible citizen should be open minded and explore all possibilities.  Besides, given how evil humans can sometimes be, it really wouldn't surprise me that someone created such a virus.


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    #28419306 - 08/03/23 07:44 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Who is not being open minded except for the politicians who have decided to blame China for creating the virus?


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    #28419317 - 08/03/23 07:47 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Who is not being open minded except for the politicians who have decided to blame China for creating the virus?




I wasn't talking about you, I was speaking in general.  I wished that people would be more open-minded about the virus possibly being man-made.


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    #28419323 - 08/03/23 07:51 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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I asked you who is not being open minded




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    #28419325 - 08/03/23 07:51 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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    #28419329 - 08/03/23 07:54 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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If you don’t have evidence you are a conspiracy theorist




Personally, I don't subscribe to the concept of conspiracy theory/conspiracy theorist.  It's a term coined by the CIA to discredit anybody who doubts official narratives.

Lol, I guess by saying this, it also makes me a conspiracy theorist to you, :P


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    #28419338 - 08/03/23 07:58 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Personally, I don't subscribe to the concept of conspiracy theory/conspiracy theorist.  It's a term coined by the CIA to discredit anybody who doubts official narratives.

Lol, I guess by saying this, it also makes me a conspiracy theorist to you, :P



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    #28419339 - 08/03/23 07:59 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Yep.  You believe common language usage is a CIA psyop.  Definition of conspiracy theorist.

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Personally, I don't subscribe to the concept of conspiracy theory/conspiracy theorist.  It's a term coined by the CIA to discredit anybody who doubts official narratives.

Lol, I guess by saying this, it also makes me a conspiracy theorist to you, :P



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    #28419346 - 08/03/23 08:01 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Here we go again. If you're making theories about conspiracies, you're being a conspiracy theorist. I don't care if the CIA decides to weaponize the term. Definitions matter.


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Here we go again. If you're making theories about conspiracies, you're being a conspiracy theorist. I don't care if the CIA decides to weaponize the term. Definitions matter.



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:lolwut: Of course he hasn't.  You're the one that thinks it a conspiracy.


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:lolwut: Of course he hasn't.  You're the one that thinks it a conspiracy.



Nope.

I have been very open since the beginning--I think that the virus was man-made is a possibility.  I never thought it was a conspiracy.


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It's a term coined by the CIA to discredit anybody who doubts official narratives.






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Recorded use of the phrase “conspiracy theory” dates back to at least 1863, and it was notably invoked in reports following the 1881 shooting of then-President James A. Garfield, more than 60 years before the CIA was established.




:lol: by action you are a conspiracy theorist if you think the phrase is a CIA job. get ur head out of the clouds.


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:lolwut: Of course he hasn't.  You're the one that thinks it a conspiracy.



Nope.

I have been very open since the beginning--I think that the virus was man-made is a possibility.  I never thought it was a conspiracy.




If it was manmade it would definitely be a conspiracy. The working hypothesis that it is of natural origin is not a conspiracy theory because 1) all diseases in history have a natural origin 2) nature can’t engage in a conspiracy


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:lolwut: Of course he hasn't.  You're the one that thinks it a conspiracy.



Nope.

I have been very open since the beginning--I think that the virus was man-made is a possibility.  I never thought it was a conspiracy.




If it was manmade it would definitely be a conspiracy. The working hypothesis that it is of natural origin is not a conspiracy theory because 1) all diseases in history have a natural origin 2) nature can’t engage in a conspiracy




You haven't proven that the virus arose naturally.


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It's a term coined by the CIA to discredit anybody who doubts official narratives.






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Recorded use of the phrase “conspiracy theory” dates back to at least 1863, and it was notably invoked in reports following the 1881 shooting of then-President James A. Garfield, more than 60 years before the CIA was established.




:lol: by action you are a conspiracy theorist if you think the phrase is a CIA job. get ur head out of the clouds.




The CIA doesn't have to be the very first one to come up with the term, in order for it to be a CIA thing.

And the CIA has certainly popularized its usage.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: mushboy]
    #28419394 - 08/03/23 08:16 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

No one said the CIA invented the term "conspiracy theory".  They simply use the term to discredit narratives they don't like.

Edit:  Looks like Joh.Ke beat me to what should have been an obvious answer.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419396 - 08/03/23 08:17 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Aaaaand the circular logic begins. Two other people beat me to the punch^^


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419401 - 08/03/23 08:19 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

What country are you a citizen of?
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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28419403 - 08/03/23 08:20 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

i didnt say the cia invented the term i said if you think the phrase can only be used as a cia job than you are xyz.

you can rightfully label someone a conspiracy theorist for engaging in theorizing about a conspiracy without invoking what the cia did after kennedy.

its a ridiculous leap that requires black and white thinking.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28419412 - 08/03/23 08:24 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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i didnt say the cia invented the term i said if you think the phrase can only be used as a cia job than you are xyz.




I didn't say it can only be used as a CIA job.  I merely said that it is a term that the CIA uses to discredit people.

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you can rightfully label someone a conspiracy theorist for engaging in theorizing about a conspiracy without invoking what the cia did after kennedy.




Before you can call something a conspiracy, first you have to prove that that something is a conspiracy.  None of you have done that so far.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419415 - 08/03/23 08:25 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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:lolwut: Of course he hasn't.  You're the one that thinks it a conspiracy.



Nope.

I have been very open since the beginning--I think that the virus was man-made is a possibility.  I never thought it was a conspiracy.




If it was manmade it would definitely be a conspiracy. The working hypothesis that it is of natural origin is not a conspiracy theory because 1) all diseases in history have a natural origin 2) nature can’t engage in a conspiracy




You haven't proven that the virus arose naturally.



But it is the working hypothesis since all known diseases have a natural origin.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419419 - 08/03/23 08:26 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

:lol:have you?


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: mushboy]
    #28419423 - 08/03/23 08:27 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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If it was manmade it would definitely be a conspiracy. The working hypothesis that it is of natural origin is not a conspiracy theory because 1) all diseases in history have a natural origin 2) nature can’t engage in a conspiracy




You haven't proven that the virus arose naturally.



But it is the working hypothesis since all known diseases have a natural origin.




It used to be that way, but not anymore.  Now humans possess the technical know-how to create diseases.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419429 - 08/03/23 08:30 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

If the virus was man-made, it likely took more than one person.  That would, by definition, make it a conspiracy.

Having said that, this thread is not about discussing whether or not the virus is man-made.  It's about discussing the political report on that alleged conduct of the scientists around the issue.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419432 - 08/03/23 08:31 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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If it was manmade it would definitely be a conspiracy. The working hypothesis that it is of natural origin is not a conspiracy theory because 1) all diseases in history have a natural origin 2) nature can’t engage in a conspiracy




You haven't proven that the virus arose naturally.



But it is the working hypothesis since all known diseases have a natural origin.




It used to be that way, but not anymore.  Now humans possess the technical know-how to create diseases.



We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #28419437 - 08/03/23 08:36 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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You haven't proven that the virus arose naturally.



But it is the working hypothesis since all known diseases have a natural origin.




It used to be that way, but not anymore.  Now humans possess the technical know-how to create diseases.



We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.



If people want to take that stance, then it's certainly reasonable.  But what I take issues with is that some people (not saying it's anybody here in this thread) automatically write off the possibility of a man-made virus, which I think is close-minded and irresponsible.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28419440 - 08/03/23 08:37 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Thats why you can’t dismiss the man made hypothesis. But the fact is there has never been a man made disease and unless you prove otherwise, natural origin is the correct working hypothesis


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    #28419443 - 08/03/23 08:38 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

We know for certain that the multiple variants after the original were man- made.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28419444 - 08/03/23 08:39 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.




We have that ability?

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    #28419448 - 08/03/23 08:40 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Thats why you can’t dismiss the man made hypothesis. But the fact is there has never been a man made disease and unless you prove otherwise, natural origin is the correct working hypothesis



Well, my aim isn't to prove that covid was man-made.  My aim is to merely suggest that such a possibility might exist and should be taken more seriously.


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    #28419456 - 08/03/23 08:44 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

There’s pretty solid evidence that omicron was the result of a double spillover. Humans infected an animal population with the Beta variant, the virus evolved in that animal population for over a year then jumped back into humans as Omicron


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We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.




We have that ability?

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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419460 - 08/03/23 08:45 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

What country are you from?
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    #28419479 - 08/03/23 08:50 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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2) nature can’t engage in a conspiracy





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Thats why you can’t dismiss the man made hypothesis. But the fact is there has never been a man made disease and unless you prove otherwise, natural origin is the correct working hypothesis



Well, my aim isn't to prove that covid was man-made.  My aim is to merely suggest that such a possibility might exist and should be taken more seriously.




I guarantee there are scientists all around the world working on proving that hypothesis. The thing is it is a very hard thing to prove scientifically. You really need someone to confess or produce documentation.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28419490 - 08/03/23 08:52 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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We know for certain that the multiple variants after the original were man- made.



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We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.




We have that ability?

:awedisgust:



https://web.archive.org/web/20081205063656/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/men_shealth/3354220/Pregnant-men-hard-to-stomach.html




I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419517 - 08/03/23 08:57 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.


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    #28419520 - 08/03/23 08:58 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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    #28419525 - 08/03/23 08:59 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

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  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.


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We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.




We have that ability?

:awedisgust:



https://web.archive.org/web/20081205063656/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/men_shealth/3354220/Pregnant-men-hard-to-stomach.html




I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.



"When I talked to fertility experts about male pregnancy, they seemed to feel the same way. Oh, it's possible, they said. How? Well, think of ectopic pregnancy. This is what happens when an embryo is fertilised outside the womb. Mostly, ectopic pregnancies fail. But occasionally, a healthy baby is born after an ectopic pregnancy. Theoretically, then, an embryo could be implanted into a man, along with some kind of hormone package that would encourage the placenta to grow. And then the man could keep taking hormones - progesterone and oestrogen.

It's possible, they said. The man would not feel well. He would develop breasts. He might have severe mood-swings and cravings. At the end, he would have to have a caesarean. The only real obstacle is that the placenta would need to attach itself to the blood supply via an organ, making the birth potentially dangerous (for the man, not the baby). But that's solvable by placing the baby in a uterus - which may soon be possible thanks to the development of uterine transplants."


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    #28419531 - 08/03/23 09:01 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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We have that ability?

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I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.



That's pure fiction. You literally just made that up.




No I didn't.

From your article: "it turned out that he'd started life as a girl, but felt that he was actually a man trapped in a girl's body. So he, or she, took a course of testosterone and had an operation to remove his, or her, breasts."


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    #28419535 - 08/03/23 09:03 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

"When I talked to fertility experts about male pregnancy, they seemed to feel the same way. Oh, it's possible, they said. How? Well, think of ectopic pregnancy. This is what happens when an embryo is fertilised outside the womb. Mostly, ectopic pregnancies fail. But occasionally, a healthy baby is born after an ectopic pregnancy. Theoretically, then, an embryo could be implanted into a man, along with some kind of hormone package that would encourage the placenta to grow. And then the man could keep taking hormones - progesterone and oestrogen.

It's possible, they said. The man would not feel well. He would develop breasts. He might have severe mood-swings and cravings. At the end, he would have to have a caesarean. The only real obstacle is that the placenta would need to attach itself to the blood supply via an organ, making the birth potentially dangerous (for the man, not the baby). But that's solvable by placing the baby in a uterus - which may soon be possible thanks to the development of uterine transplants."


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    #28419538 - 08/03/23 09:03 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

I'm having trouble finding the article because it came out over a decade ago, but I remember reading an article where a dude gestated a child in his stomach cavity. I was in jr high when I read it though and all the articles I'm finding now are all from people who transitioned. The story I'm trying to find is about a biological male who identified as a male. I think his wife couldn't carry a child so he volunteered. I'll see if I can find it but Google just keeps showing me more recent articles


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    #28419540 - 08/03/23 09:04 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Excuse my ignorance but couldn't that man get pregnant the old fashioned way? 

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No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

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  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.



You said:
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I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.



You're the one who brought up gender :shrug: If you meant biological male you should have said so.


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No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

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  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.



You said:
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I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.



You're the one who brought up gender :shrug: If you meant biological male you should have said so.




"Man" and "woman" are the colloquial way to refer to someone's biological sex.  It's true that I probably should have said "female" and "male" but most people understand me.


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No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

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  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.




What about someone who has one X and one Y chromosome, but they have a condition where the body is insensitive to androgens and therefore despite being a genetic male and having testes, they do not develop male characteristics and appear outwardly to be female even though they are genetically male and are loaded up with testosterone. What sex are they?


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No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

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  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.




What about someone who has one X and one Y chromosome, but they have a condition where the body is insensitive to androgens and therefore despite being a genetic male and having testes, they do not develop male characteristics and appear outwardly to be female even though they are genetically male and are loaded up with testosterone. What sex are they?



I am no medical doctor, but I would call them intersex.  It's a diseased state of being.  It doesn't mean that there is now a third sex in addition to male and female.


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Nobody is claiming there are more than two sexes


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28419558 - 08/03/23 09:11 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Biological sex is a spectrum, not a binary state as joh.ke seems to think.  Many biological males exhibit ranges of female secondary sex characteristics and vice versa for numerous reasons.  Some people refuse to acknowledge that truth.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28419560 - 08/03/23 09:13 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Biological sex is a spectrum,




It's not.

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not a binary state




It is.

There are only two sexes, male and female.  Everything else is a diseased state of being.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28419562 - 08/03/23 09:13 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419566 - 08/03/23 09:14 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

Ice9 said:
Biological sex is a spectrum,




It's not.

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not a binary state




It is.

There are only two sexes, male and female.  Everything else is a diseased state of being.




It’s like you’ve never heard of an effeminate male or a Tom boy


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419569 - 08/03/23 09:15 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

Ice9 said:
Biological sex is a spectrum,




It's not.

Quote:

not a binary state




It is.

There are only two sexes, male and female.  Everything else is a diseased state of being.



You made up "diseased state of being".


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28419572 - 08/03/23 09:16 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

Ice9 said:
Biological sex is a spectrum,




It's not.

Quote:

not a binary state




It is.

There are only two sexes, male and female.  Everything else is a diseased state of being.




It’s like you’ve never heard of an effeminate male or a Tom boy



An effeminate male is still a male.  A Tom boy is still a female.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28419574 - 08/03/23 09:16 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Joh.Ke said:
Everything else is a diseased state of being.




attaching your consciousness to such ridged thinking is a 'diseased state'.

covids!!


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28419583 - 08/03/23 09:18 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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mushboy said:
Quote:

Joh.Ke said:
Everything else is a diseased state of being.




attaching your consciousness to such ridged thinking is a 'diseased state'.

covids!!




Nope. 

It's not "rigid thinking".  It's called, "correct thinking".

There are only two biological sexes, I don't know why I needed to say this.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419590 - 08/03/23 09:19 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

What country are you a citizen of?
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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419593 - 08/03/23 09:20 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Just making up shit as you go. Great way of thinking.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419596 - 08/03/23 09:20 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

biological sex is not a polar subject. intersex characteristics are part of human biological diversity.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419598 - 08/03/23 09:21 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

But nobody fucking cares if you have a dick or a pussy. Fuck what you want to fuck, dress like you want to dress, call yourself whatever you want to be called. Who has the time to worry about other people's choices when they don't have any bearing on your life? This is the one case were the boomer "get a job" slogan applies.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28419601 - 08/03/23 09:21 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Just making up shit as you go. Great way of thinking.



What did I make up?


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419607 - 08/03/23 09:23 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

ppl only care if u have 2 dicks or a micropeniz


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419614 - 08/03/23 09:25 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Joh.Ke said:
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koods said:
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Joh.Ke said:
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Ice9 said:
No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

Quote:



  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.




What about someone who has one X and one Y chromosome, but they have a condition where the body is insensitive to androgens and therefore despite being a genetic male and having testes, they do not develop male characteristics and appear outwardly to be female even though they are genetically male and are loaded up with testosterone. What sex are they?



I am no medical doctor, but I would call them intersex.  It's a diseased state of being.  It doesn't mean that there is now a third sex in addition to male and female.




It isn’t a diseased state. There is no pathology involved in this condition and someone born intersex has the same life expectancy as anyone else.

But you just claimed that sex is binary, so you have to pick one. Is their sex what their genes say or is it what their outward sex characteristics say?


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419624 - 08/03/23 09:27 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Nope.
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Joh.Ke said:
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Just making up shit as you go. Great way of thinking.



What did I make up?



the term diseased state and it's usage as applied to transexual people.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419629 - 08/03/23 09:27 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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A disease is a particular abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of all or part of an organism and is not immediately due to any external injury.




Quote:

Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
Just making up shit as you go. Great way of thinking.



What did I make up?



That variation with secondary sexual characteristics is a "diseases state of being". Wrong.  It is totally normal.  I bet you yourself have some variation.  Weak chin, low muscle mass, lack of facial hair, smaller stature :shrug:


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28419640 - 08/03/23 09:30 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

my wife says i have a models legs:lol:

rawr.

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Re: Covid Origin [Re: mushboy]
    #28419693 - 08/03/23 09:48 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Re: Covid Origin [Re: christopera] * 1
    #28419837 - 08/03/23 11:15 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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But nobody fucking cares if you have a dick or a pussy. Fuck what you want to fuck, dress like you want to dress, call yourself whatever you want to be called. Who has the time to worry about other people's choices when they don't have any bearing on your life? This is the one case were the boomer "get a job" slogan applies.




In some work places if you don't use the pronouns they prefer, you can lose your job.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods] * 1
    #28419840 - 08/03/23 11:17 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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It isn’t a diseased state. There is no pathology involved in this condition and someone born intersex has the same life expectancy as anyone else.

But you just claimed that sex is binary, so you have to pick one. Is their sex what their genes say or is it what their outward sex characteristics say?




Whether something is a disease is not determined by whether the patient has a normal life expectancy.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28419841 - 08/03/23 11:19 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Nope.
Quote:

Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
Just making up shit as you go. Great way of thinking.



What did I make up?



the term diseased state and it's usage as applied to transexual people.




If their mind doesn't match up with their biological reality, then it's a disease.

If I am not a bird but I think I am a bird, that is a disease.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28419845 - 08/03/23 11:22 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Quote:

A disease is a particular abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of all or part of an organism and is not immediately due to any external injury.




Quote:

Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
Just making up shit as you go. Great way of thinking.



What did I make up?



That variation with secondary sexual characteristics is a "diseases state of being". Wrong.  It is totally normal.




We are not talking about variations in sexual characteristics.  We are talking about people who fundamentally have a mind that does not match up with their biological reality.  That is a disease.


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I bet you yourself have some variation.  Weak chin, low muscle mass, lack of facial hair, smaller stature :shrug:




You are trying to offend me because I offended you with what I said.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419909 - 08/04/23 12:49 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

christopera said:
But nobody fucking cares if you have a dick or a pussy. Fuck what you want to fuck, dress like you want to dress, call yourself whatever you want to be called. Who has the time to worry about other people's choices when they don't have any bearing on your life? This is the one case were the boomer "get a job" slogan applies.




In some work places if you don't use the pronouns they prefer, you can lose your job.




Wow imagine having a workplace where you have to be respectful to your coworkers.

Instead of dealing with the fact that other people are different than you and you may not understand why they are the way they are and deciding to just accept that you cannot control everything, you just want to be fucking assholes.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419919 - 08/04/23 01:07 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

koods said:

It isn’t a diseased state. There is no pathology involved in this condition and someone born intersex has the same life expectancy as anyone else.

But you just claimed that sex is binary, so you have to pick one. Is their sex what their genes say or is it what their outward sex characteristics say?




Whether something is a disease is not determined by whether the patient has a normal life expectancy.




Disease is not a difficult word to understand because it literally means “a lack of ease.” Gender dysphoria is a lack of ease. Living your life as your preferred gender is just ease.

But seriously, if you actually believe trans people have a disease then why the fuck do you go out of your way to make fun or they or be disrespectful? Would you treat a cancer patient that way? Are
You just horrible people?


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28420024 - 08/04/23 04:38 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Nope.
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Joh.Ke said:
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Just making up shit as you go. Great way of thinking.



What did I make up?



the term diseased state and it's usage as applied to transexual people.




If their mind doesn't match up with their biological reality, then it's a disease.

If I am not a bird but I think I am a bird, that is a disease.



Except these people don't think they're another species. That's a terrible false equivalent.


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    #28420025 - 08/04/23 04:41 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Quote:

Ice9 said:
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A disease is a particular abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of all or part of an organism and is not immediately due to any external injury.




Quote:

Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
Just making up shit as you go. Great way of thinking.



What did I make up?



That variation with secondary sexual characteristics is a "diseases state of being". Wrong.  It is totally normal.




We are not talking about variations in sexual characteristics.  We are talking about people who fundamentally have a mind that does not match up with their biological reality.  That is a disease.


Quote:


I bet you yourself have some variation.  Weak chin, low muscle mass, lack of facial hair, smaller stature :shrug:




You are trying to offend me because I offended you with what I said.




"Biological reality" more bullshit you came up with?


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    #28420079 - 08/04/23 06:28 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

:waitwhat:

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    #28420085 - 08/04/23 06:33 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Quote:

Ice9 said:
Quote:

A disease is a particular abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of all or part of an organism and is not immediately due to any external injury.




Quote:

Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
Just making up shit as you go. Great way of thinking.



What did I make up?



That variation with secondary sexual characteristics is a "diseases state of being". Wrong.  It is totally normal.




We are not talking about variations in sexual characteristics.  We are talking about people who fundamentally have a mind that does not match up with their biological reality.  That is a disease.



No that also does not meet the definition of disease, and that is not what we were talking about.  WE were discussing that biological sex is a continuum.

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I bet you yourself have some variation.  Weak chin, low muscle mass, lack of facial hair, smaller stature :shrug:




You are trying to offend me because I offended you with what I said.



I was not trying to offend, if you took it that way, that is on you.  I was simply pointing out that you, me, everyone, has variation in the characteristics uses to define male and female.  It appears that I hit a sore spot though.


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    #28420092 - 08/04/23 06:40 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Although sex is typically misconceptualized as a binary of male (XY) or female (XX), many other chromosomal arrangements, inherent variations in gene expression patterns, and hormone levels exist. Intersex categorizations include variations in chromosomes present, external genitalia, gonads (testes or ovaries), hormone production, hormone responsiveness, and internal reproductive organs. Medical classification of intersex individuals is not always done at birth, as many intersex traits do not become apparent until puberty or later in life. Currently, there are at least 40 known variations that fall into intersex classifications (Carpenter, 2018).




https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9355551/

A simple query will show up many publications that show that biological sex is not a binary state.


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    #28420120 - 08/04/23 07:06 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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its not hard to balkanize language when schools are based on creating job markets





It's not hard when all you do is pass the buck from the topic at hand to another topic/scapegoat.


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    #28420280 - 08/04/23 09:45 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

yeah like how women never have to deal with their shit


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    #28420282 - 08/04/23 09:47 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Keep the irrelevant misogyny out of this forum, please.  There are plenty of incel fora out there for that kind of shit.


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christopera said:
But nobody fucking cares if you have a dick or a pussy. Fuck what you want to fuck, dress like you want to dress, call yourself whatever you want to be called. Who has the time to worry about other people's choices when they don't have any bearing on your life? This is the one case were the boomer "get a job" slogan applies.




In some work places if you don't use the pronouns they prefer, you can lose your job.




Wow imagine having a workplace where you have to be respectful to your coworkers.




Calling a man a man, and calling a woman a woman, is not being disrespectful to them.

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Instead of dealing with the fact that other people are different than you and you may not understand why they are the way they are and deciding to just accept that you cannot control everything, you just want to be fucking assholes.




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Quote:

Joh.Ke said:
Quote:

koods said:

It isn’t a diseased state. There is no pathology involved in this condition and someone born intersex has the same life expectancy as anyone else.

But you just claimed that sex is binary, so you have to pick one. Is their sex what their genes say or is it what their outward sex characteristics say?




Whether something is a disease is not determined by whether the patient has a normal life expectancy.




Disease is not a difficult word to understand because it literally means “a lack of ease.” Gender dysphoria is a lack of ease. Living your life as your preferred gender is just ease.




If your mind does not match up with your body, then it's a disease.

Quote:



But seriously, if you actually believe trans people have a disease then why the fuck do you go out of your way to make fun or they or be disrespectful?




How am I making fun of them?  How am I being disrespectful?

Quote:


Would you treat a cancer patient that way? Are
You just horrible people?




What is "that way"?  How am I being nasty to the transsexuals? I  merely refuse to go along with their delusions.


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Nope.

If their mind doesn't match up with their biological reality, then it's a disease.

If I am not a bird but I think I am a bird, that is a disease.



Except these people don't think they're another species. That's a terrible false equivalent.




You don't need to think you are a different species to be mentally ill.


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    #28420290 - 08/04/23 09:52 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Well, this part of the conversation is over in this thread.  This thread is not about gender dysphoria, sexual dichotomy, or any of the bullshit you're talking right now.  As tempting as it is to put your obsolete thinking on display and attack it, that is not the purpose of this thread.

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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28420297 - 08/04/23 09:58 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Well, this part of the conversation is over in this thread.  This thread is not about gender dysphoria, sexual dichotomy, or any of the bullshit you're talking right now.  As tempting as it is to put your obsolete thinking on display and attack it, that is not the purpose of this thread.

Back on topic or I'm deleting posts and banning people.



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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28420300 - 08/04/23 10:00 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

the golden gate type 2 restriction sites are peppered thru the genome


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated] * 1
    #28420407 - 08/04/23 11:52 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Why would an RNA virus have DNA restriction sites?


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28420408 - 08/04/23 11:53 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

To throw the illuminati off.

:ancientaliens:


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28420409 - 08/04/23 11:53 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Answer - it doesn't.
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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28420411 - 08/04/23 11:56 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Oh shit, I never thought of that.  Seems rational.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28420416 - 08/04/23 12:08 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

they spliced the virus together


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420417 - 08/04/23 12:10 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Do you have evidence of this?  And who is "they?"


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420422 - 08/04/23 12:15 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

there are reports of scientists mailing back dna plasmids between UNC chapel hill n wuhanz virology inst


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28420425 - 08/04/23 12:15 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Cadacerbated cannot have evidence of this splicing as described due to it being impossible.  :shrug:


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420426 - 08/04/23 12:15 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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there are reports of scientists mailing back dna plasmids between UNC chapel hill n wuhanz virology inst



What would that have to do with COVID-19?


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28420428 - 08/04/23 12:17 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

:petri::slant::biohazard::pollutant::poison2::peacesign::antifascist::prisoner1:


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420430 - 08/04/23 12:17 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

idk


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420433 - 08/04/23 12:22 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

At least you admit you are talking out your ass.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9]
    #28420434 - 08/04/23 12:23 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

rna is too unstable to send in the mail

plus it would infect ppl


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420436 - 08/04/23 12:24 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

I take everything nice I said back.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420437 - 08/04/23 12:25 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

In other words, you made it up.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28420462 - 08/04/23 12:34 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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We know for certain that the multiple variants after the original were man- made.





was this sarcasm?

cause ppl are allowed to do gain of func with this all day now that its out well and since trump lifted the ban


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420470 - 08/04/23 12:40 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Quick change the topic
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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420510 - 08/04/23 12:57 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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there are reports of scientists mailing back dna plasmids between UNC chapel hill n wuhanz virology inst



Sars-cov2 contains no DNA


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28420573 - 08/04/23 02:07 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

dna is just code

u can put it in anything


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420574 - 08/04/23 02:08 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

DNA is a chemical compound.  It isn't a code.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28420577 - 08/04/23 02:11 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22785-x

its very dynamic the structure

rna can assemble in many ways


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420706 - 08/04/23 04:20 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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dna is just code

u can put it in anything




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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28420718 - 08/04/23 04:28 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22785-x

its very dynamic the structure

rna can assemble in many ways



RNA can assembly in many ways, but DNA is not one of those.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28420720 - 08/04/23 04:29 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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dna is just code

u can put it in anything




Well nobody put it in a coronavirus



Bro, I put my DNA everywhere.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28420736 - 08/04/23 04:46 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Unfortunately, mine left a brown stain on the sheet.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28420919 - 08/04/23 07:36 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

I too remember the day I started washing my own sock laundry.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28420959 - 08/04/23 08:04 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Lol guys gross.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28421723 - 08/05/23 11:29 AM (5 months, 20 days ago)

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Lol guys gross.




now you know why enlil says he uses a goddamned rainforest worth of toilet paper each day.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28422252 - 08/05/23 07:46 PM (5 months, 20 days ago)

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yeah like how women never have to deal with their shit





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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Tulipslave]
    #28422264 - 08/05/23 07:56 PM (5 months, 20 days ago)

just they dont have to in a certain sense especially if theyre already rich

but most try so its all good


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    #28422397 - 08/05/23 09:34 PM (5 months, 20 days ago)

^ when saving face goes wrong.

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^ when saving face goes wrong.

:joneswtf:





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    #28422410 - 08/05/23 09:39 PM (5 months, 20 days ago)

:mad2:


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28425061 - 08/07/23 09:53 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

origin of covid?  a thought in ur mind.. u r the one who listen to the crap from media.. so u created it for urself with fear.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: maensel]
    #28426115 - 08/08/23 06:28 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

ummm peer review
https://tenor.com/bkdYL.gif


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: cadaverbated]
    #28426152 - 08/08/23 06:57 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Are you having a conversation with yourself?


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28426154 - 08/08/23 07:01 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

ever have thoughts?


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    #28426303 - 08/08/23 08:48 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

Yes but my thoughts don’t have two Shroomery accounts in dialog with each other


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28426432 - 08/08/23 09:58 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

conspirial dialectics


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