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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28419444 - 08/03/23 08:39 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.




We have that ability?

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Re: Covid Origin [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #28419448 - 08/03/23 08:40 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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It used to be that way, but not anymore.  Now humans possess the technical know-how to create diseases.




Thats why you can’t dismiss the man made hypothesis. But the fact is there has never been a man made disease and unless you prove otherwise, natural origin is the correct working hypothesis



Well, my aim isn't to prove that covid was man-made.  My aim is to merely suggest that such a possibility might exist and should be taken more seriously.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: mycosis]
    #28419456 - 08/03/23 08:44 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

There’s pretty solid evidence that omicron was the result of a double spillover. Humans infected an animal population with the Beta variant, the virus evolved in that animal population for over a year then jumped back into humans as Omicron


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: mycosis]
    #28419457 - 08/03/23 08:44 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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mycosis said:
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We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.




We have that ability?

:awedisgust:



https://web.archive.org/web/20081205063656/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/men_shealth/3354220/Pregnant-men-hard-to-stomach.html


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419460 - 08/03/23 08:45 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

What country are you from?
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Re: Covid Origin [Re: koods]
    #28419479 - 08/03/23 08:50 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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2) nature can’t engage in a conspiracy





entanglement brah


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419485 - 08/03/23 08:51 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Joh.Ke said:
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koods said:
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It used to be that way, but not anymore.  Now humans possess the technical know-how to create diseases.




Thats why you can’t dismiss the man made hypothesis. But the fact is there has never been a man made disease and unless you prove otherwise, natural origin is the correct working hypothesis



Well, my aim isn't to prove that covid was man-made.  My aim is to merely suggest that such a possibility might exist and should be taken more seriously.




I guarantee there are scientists all around the world working on proving that hypothesis. The thing is it is a very hard thing to prove scientifically. You really need someone to confess or produce documentation.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28419490 - 08/03/23 08:52 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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We know for certain that the multiple variants after the original were man- made.



Well yea, they were made inside man.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28419496 - 08/03/23 08:53 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Enlil said:
We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.




We have that ability?

:awedisgust:



https://web.archive.org/web/20081205063656/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/men_shealth/3354220/Pregnant-men-hard-to-stomach.html




I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419517 - 08/03/23 08:57 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419520 - 08/03/23 08:58 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

consensus is a standard but da language and culture is balkanized


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #28419525 - 08/03/23 08:59 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

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  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419527 - 08/03/23 09:00 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Enlil said:
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mycosis said:
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Enlil said:
We also possess the ability to implant an embryo into a man and have him carry it to term.  Nonetheless, when someone is born, we assume it if from a female.  Unless/until evidence of a man-made origin is presented, the null hypothesis is that the virus occurred naturally.




We have that ability?

:awedisgust:



https://web.archive.org/web/20081205063656/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/men_shealth/3354220/Pregnant-men-hard-to-stomach.html




I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.



"When I talked to fertility experts about male pregnancy, they seemed to feel the same way. Oh, it's possible, they said. How? Well, think of ectopic pregnancy. This is what happens when an embryo is fertilised outside the womb. Mostly, ectopic pregnancies fail. But occasionally, a healthy baby is born after an ectopic pregnancy. Theoretically, then, an embryo could be implanted into a man, along with some kind of hormone package that would encourage the placenta to grow. And then the man could keep taking hormones - progesterone and oestrogen.

It's possible, they said. The man would not feel well. He would develop breasts. He might have severe mood-swings and cravings. At the end, he would have to have a caesarean. The only real obstacle is that the placenta would need to attach itself to the blood supply via an organ, making the birth potentially dangerous (for the man, not the baby). But that's solvable by placing the baby in a uterus - which may soon be possible thanks to the development of uterine transplants."


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Enlil]
    #28419531 - 08/03/23 09:01 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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We have that ability?

:awedisgust:



https://web.archive.org/web/20081205063656/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/men_shealth/3354220/Pregnant-men-hard-to-stomach.html




I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.



That's pure fiction. You literally just made that up.




No I didn't.

From your article: "it turned out that he'd started life as a girl, but felt that he was actually a man trapped in a girl's body. So he, or she, took a course of testosterone and had an operation to remove his, or her, breasts."


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419535 - 08/03/23 09:03 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

"When I talked to fertility experts about male pregnancy, they seemed to feel the same way. Oh, it's possible, they said. How? Well, think of ectopic pregnancy. This is what happens when an embryo is fertilised outside the womb. Mostly, ectopic pregnancies fail. But occasionally, a healthy baby is born after an ectopic pregnancy. Theoretically, then, an embryo could be implanted into a man, along with some kind of hormone package that would encourage the placenta to grow. And then the man could keep taking hormones - progesterone and oestrogen.

It's possible, they said. The man would not feel well. He would develop breasts. He might have severe mood-swings and cravings. At the end, he would have to have a caesarean. The only real obstacle is that the placenta would need to attach itself to the blood supply via an organ, making the birth potentially dangerous (for the man, not the baby). But that's solvable by placing the baby in a uterus - which may soon be possible thanks to the development of uterine transplants."


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419538 - 08/03/23 09:03 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

I'm having trouble finding the article because it came out over a decade ago, but I remember reading an article where a dude gestated a child in his stomach cavity. I was in jr high when I read it though and all the articles I'm finding now are all from people who transitioned. The story I'm trying to find is about a biological male who identified as a male. I think his wife couldn't carry a child so he volunteered. I'll see if I can find it but Google just keeps showing me more recent articles


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419540 - 08/03/23 09:04 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Excuse my ignorance but couldn't that man get pregnant the old fashioned way? 

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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419541 - 08/03/23 09:04 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

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  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.



You said:
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I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.



You're the one who brought up gender :shrug: If you meant biological male you should have said so.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28419547 - 08/03/23 09:06 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Joh.Ke said:
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No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

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  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.



You said:
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Joh.Ke said:
I really hope I won't get into trouble for saying the following but:  that is not a man.  That is a woman who thinks she's a man, and she "transitioned" into a man, but did not have her uterus removed.



You're the one who brought up gender :shrug: If you meant biological male you should have said so.




"Man" and "woman" are the colloquial way to refer to someone's biological sex.  It's true that I probably should have said "female" and "male" but most people understand me.


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Re: Covid Origin [Re: Joh.Ke]
    #28419549 - 08/03/23 09:07 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Joh.Ke said:
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Ice9 said:
No that's a man.  Gender is a fluid social construct.




I am not talking about gender. I am talking about biological sex.

Quote:



  Babies boys in early 1900s were signified by pink, and girls blue.  This is opposite of today. As example.



Sex isn't determined by the color of the clothes one wears.  Doesn't matter if a boy wears blue or pink, he's still a boy.




What about someone who has one X and one Y chromosome, but they have a condition where the body is insensitive to androgens and therefore despite being a genetic male and having testes, they do not develop male characteristics and appear outwardly to be female even though they are genetically male and are loaded up with testosterone. What sex are they?


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