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Longtimenosee


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Lophophora species and mescaline content?
#28411841 - 07/28/23 04:52 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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I have heard that some lophophora species do not contain mescaline. Is that true? If so how do you know?
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connectedcosmos
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Re: Lophophora species and mescaline content? [Re: Longtimenosee]
#28411855 - 07/28/23 05:11 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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I've never heard that
I think it's misinformation  Iirc there are less sought after trichocerus species for the content , not lophophora though 
A quick Google reveals no non-mescaline containing lophophora, there are "fake peyotes" that are similar but not the same as lophophora
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Re: Lophophora species and mescaline content? [Re: connectedcosmos] 2
#28412324 - 07/29/23 03:47 AM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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L. Diffusa contains little to no mescaline. I know this because I've heard it talked about and there's been some tests done on different species to see their alkaloid content. L. Fricii is also reported to be weak. They contain other alkaloids like pellotine and maybe trace amounts of mesc, but very low compared to L. williamsii...or so the story (and test info) goes. There could probably be exceptions here and there, but...
There are some non-loph "false peyotes" too that are reported to be psychoactive even though they haven't been found to contain mescaline. The chemistry of cactus is interesting and not really well understood or studied. I think there's synergies between things they produce and also new/unidentified compounds waiting to be discovered.
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Re: Lophophora species and mescaline content? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#28412674 - 07/29/23 10:31 AM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Longtimenosee


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Re: Lophophora species and mescaline content? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#28412728 - 07/29/23 11:02 AM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Ok, yeah that is what I thought. Strange that you do not hear about this more. It seams like a lot of people trying to experience a mescaline trip would accidentally eat these.
Can anyone refer me to good info on distinguishing these species. I was under the impression that l. williamsii has pink flowers, defined ribs and a blue color. While l. diffuser has white flowers, non permanent ribs and a greener color. Is this correct?
Thanks for answering my questions. Google was giving me lots of half ass answers or questionable info.
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hummingbird

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Re: Lophophora species and mescaline content? [Re: Longtimenosee]
#28412918 - 07/29/23 01:28 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Cactus experience info isn't as common as other things for whatever reasons. There's definitely some out there but not as easy to find as say mushrooms. A lot of people who grow lophs end up realizing they aren't worth eating unless you are growing quite a bit of them, and they take so long it hardly seems worth it anyways when there is trichocereus that can grow basically like weeds in comparison.
Yeah, flowers are a good way to id species. Diffusa flowers are white, williamsii are light pink or white with light pink stripes, and fricii are usually dark pink. There's other indicators to help, and actually a few other intermediate species too.
This is a good write up. https://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?/topic/15543-identifying-the-lophophora-genus/ That forum is a great resource for cactus information.
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