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I feel really duped
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I don't know how to explain it other than I feel like I've been seriously duped by myself. All of this stuff about mysticism is actually... real? Like, I had no idea this stuff was actually real? I was convinced it was fake.
But now I see all the messages people here are posting and where my own studies are leaving to me, and it's definitely confirming "something". I don't know what that "something" is, but I find solace in a nice passage from Angels and Aliens by Keith Thompson in quoting Michael Murphy:
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"Are those 'somethings' aspects of a greater existence, distorted perhaps by the subject's perceptual filters? Are they first glimpses of a 'larger earth'? To a frog with its simple eye, the world is a dim array of greys and blacks. Are we like frogs in our limited sensorium, apprehending just part of the universe we inhabit? Are we as a species now awakening to the reality of multidimensional worlds in which matter undergoes subtle reorganizations in some sort of hyperspace? Is visionary experience analogous to the first breathings of early amphibians? Are we ourselves coming ashore to a 'larger earth'?"
Yep, this stuff is definitely real. Just don't know what to make out of it at all. Either it's a serious delusion that the scientific method hasn't explained or it's proof of something I don't know... I'm not sure why people aren't making a bigger deal about this...
And now we're finally talking about UFOs (again)...
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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I just registered a new domain name, ineffablenoetic.com, it stands for:
Ineffable - Incapable of being expressed in words : INDESCRIBABLE Noetic - inner wisdom, direct knowing, intuition, or implicit understanding. the highest faculty in man, through which - provided it is purified - he knows God or the inner essences or principles of created things through direct apprehension or spiritual perception”
So, I'm looking at the Wiki page on ineffability and it lists several things in the "See also" (you learn so much by reading the 'See also's by the way), that interest me:
Apophatic (or "negative") theology:
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is a form of theological thinking and religious practice which attempts to approach God, the Divine, by negation, to speak only in terms of what may not be said about the perfect goodness that is God.[web 1] It forms a pair together with cataphatic theology, which approaches God or the Divine by affirmations or positive statements about what God is. The apophatic tradition is often, though not always, allied with the approach of mysticism, which aims at the vision of God, the perception of the divine reality beyond the realm of ordinary perception.
Ideasthesia:
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While synesthesia meaning 'union of senses' implies the association of two sensory elements with little connection to the cognitive level, empirical evidence indicated that most phenomena linked to synesthesia are in fact induced by semantic representations. That is, the linguistic meaning of the stimulus is what is important rather than its sensory properties. In other words, while synesthesia presumes that both the trigger (inducer) and the resulting experience (concurrent) are of sensory nature, ideasthesia presumes that only the resulting experience is of sensory nature while the trigger is semantic.[2][3][4][5][6][7]
Research has later extended the concept to topics other than synesthesia, and since it turned out to be applicable to everyday perception, the concept has developed into a theory of how we perceive. For example ideasthesia has been applied to the theory of art and could bear important implications in explaining human conscious experience, which, according to ideasthesia, is grounded in how we activate concepts
I've been previously pretty interested in the concept of ideasthesia preceding seeing these "See alsos", so I find it awfully coincidental that Reality conspired to present two of these things that I'm interested in in the same fashion (ugh, I don't know how to describe it).
Anyhow, I take solace in what Lithop told me once that when you begin to place effort on appreciation, as opposed to explanation, new windows into perception fling open. (Correct me on that if I miscited you).
I don't need to explain any of this...
And look at this engraving by Otto van Veen from 1660:
 it says: What no eye has seen, nor ear heard
And, so, it is with ineffable indescribable concepts.
But, wow... wow...
Anyhow, I feel like the existence of the ineffable is a concession of the existence of what I mean by the word "mystical". Didn't think this stuff actually existed...
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Here is another parallel for apophatic theology
Neti Neti (Sanskrit : नेति नेति) is a Sanskrit expression which means "not this, not that", or "neither this, nor that" (neti is sandhi from na iti "not so"). It is found in the Upanishads and the Avadhuta Gita and constitutes an analytical meditation helping a person to understand the nature of the Brahman by negating everything that is not Brahman. One of the key elements of Jnana Yoga practice is often a "neti neti search." The purpose of the exercise is to negate all objects of consciousness, including thoughts and the mind, and to realize the non-dual awareness of reality.
Also here is a great quote from a Christian mystic who was known for apophatic theology
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WE say then- that the Cause of all, which is above all, is neither without being, nor without life----nor with- out reason, nor without mind, nor is a body----nor has shape----nor form----nor quality, or quantity, or bulk----nor is in a place----nor is seen----nor has sensible contact----nor perceives, nor is perceived, by the senses----nor has disorder and confusion, as being vexed by earthly passions,----nor is powerless, as being subject to casualties of sense,----nor is in need of light;----neither is It, nor has It, change, or decay, or division, or deprivation, or flux,----or any other of the objects of sense.
Another one
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Unknowing, or agnosia, is not ignorance or absence of knowledge as ordinarily understood, but rather the realization that no finite knowledge can fully know the Infinite One, and that therefore He is only truly to be approached by agnosia, or by that which is beyond and above knowledge.
Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite
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Mind blown by you connectedcosmos, thank you..!! Yep, I was definitely misled into thinking these things were fake. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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The dupe is religion. Lots of people recognize that it is possible to have divine experiences, but they set it up under certain teams and sets of rules, set up rulers on earth supposed to represent the divine (popes, etc) who are as human as anyone, and tell us that anyone belonging to the 'other team' will go to hell.
The simplicity of divine experience is apparent in the living of life. Religion is what clouds it by dividing it.
There are atheists who then get so mad at religion they forget the divine experience that was really behind it all - a shame for them.
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CreonAntigone said: The dupe is religion. Lots of people recognize that it is possible to have divine experiences, but they set it up under certain teams and sets of rules, set up rulers on earth supposed to represent the divine (popes, etc) who are as human as anyone, and tell us that anyone belonging to the 'other team' will go to hell.
The simplicity of divine experience is apparent in the living of life. Religion is what clouds it by dividing it.
There are atheists who then get so mad at religion they forget the divine experience that was really behind it all - a shame for them.
Interesting thoughts. To me, the bigger problem is the atheists. They really convinced me that it was all just a security blanket. They convinced me to think so literally about everything, I became blind to the ineffable, allegorical meaning behind things. I'm truly disappointed in them.
You say "Lots of people recognize that it is possible to have divine experiences," but I'm not sure that's the case. I think it's more accurate to say, lots of people are hopeful that it is possible to have divine experiences, but don't have any idea of what that is and are told it probably doesn't exist, or is just a security blanket for those afraid of death.
In fact, I was one person who was told having a "divine experience" was impossible. What's divine? they chirp. Circular reasoning! Logical fallacy!
You see what they did to me? They convinced me it was all fake. How could I not be anything but disappointed? This issue was so serious that I had to see a psychiatrist and ask if I was psychotic.
Now that I see that I was duped and know the higher dimension, everything rings with meaning. The universe has come alive, because it always was alive through us (a truth I could not have appreciated when I was indoctrinated to think of a world "out there", as opposed to "in here" through astronomy... you see what I'm getting at?)
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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You didn't come into this world. You came out of it, like a wave from the ocean. You are not a stranger here.
-Alan Watts
I've shared this plenty of times on here IIRC , thought it was worth a share in this thread
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solarshroomster said: Interesting thoughts. To me, the bigger problem is the atheists
Sorry to see you're slipping further from reality
Delude yourself if that's what you're into
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solarshroomster said: Interesting thoughts. To me, the bigger problem is the atheists
Sorry to see you're slipping further from reality
Delude yourself if that's what you're into

I previously thought there wasn't anything to slip away from.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Apt how I just changed my title to "Chapel Perilous" it seems you may have become an alter boy there without even realising it bro.
"I woke up in a snowstorm, painted in frost. And strange designs that connected all my thoughts I was a bird lost in a storm- far away from home, with no idea where I've flown"
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solarshroomster said: Anyhow, I take solace in what Lithop told me once that when you begin to place effort on appreciation, as opposed to explanation, new windows into perception fling open. (Correct me on that if I miscited you).
Not a miscite, but rather than take solace in it - which is all well and good- I beg that you really try to take the message onboard.
CreonAntigone hit the nail on the head just before with:
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CreonAntigone said: The simplicity of divine experience is apparent in the living of life.
Don't you see that this is the message being propsed to you, time and again? You don't like the answer that things are exactly how they are, regardless of your level of understanding? To accept & embrace your life as it comes, as it constantly changes allows you a position where you can enjoy both the mystical and practical aspects of existence without the need of either bogging you down.
For example: allow yourself to appreciate the innate wonder of evolution- study local plants & animals, how they interact with each other & their environment to shape the entire ecosystem around them. Or learn music theory, dive into how the parsing & arranging of frequency can open a whole world governed by interesting rules and intrinsic discovery around every corner.
My point being, stop pushing so hard on this that you break yourself. I promise you will give in before 'reality' does, don't turn these ideas that gave you such a sense of relief and freedom into another thought prison for yourself.
Imagine you were the first person to invent.... a hammer. Why spend the rest of your life convincing others that there is this amazing tool out there, than to actually use the hammer to fucking fix some stuff? What do you really WANT from your discoveries, from your learnings?
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solarshroomster said: Now that I see that I was duped and know the higher dimension, everything rings with meaning. The universe has come alive, because it always was alive through us (a truth I could not have appreciated when I was indoctrinated to think of a world "out there", as opposed to "in here" through astronomy... you see what I'm getting at?)
The focus that others duping you, lying to you, keeping things from you etc putting you into the role of victim is the most concerning aspect, bro. This versus mentality about something that, ultimately, your mental sovereignty/autonomy could hinge on, is beyond standing on a knives edge. Allow other people to believe what they want man, what right have you to 'force their hand' the way you feel yours was forced? As for everything ringing with meaning- you know yourself that this can be a warning sign.
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solarshroomster said: I don't need to explain any of this...
You really don't need to explain! Yet the drive to explain and prove wrong the skeptics, dupers and 'athiests' seems to be causing you varying distress for extended periods of time. I feel like we're gonna end up tailchasing over this again. In your other thread you said this:
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solarshroomster said: Can you help me out here? I smoked weed last night. For 7.5 hours I was fully convinced I discovered a riddle behind the universe. Not, thinking that I did, mind you, but fully and absolutely of the experience that I discovered something absolutely incredible about our existence. I came up with the most genius ideas, my dreams came alive, memories that were previously obscured were unearthed. I became "early man", the first ape to light the ceremonial marijuana bud and usher himself into another dimension. I saw myself through that ape. I was the archetypal first man to return the "universal knowledge" back to that-worldly plane. Patterns reassembled themselves to create impossible meaning, too uncanny to just dismiss as a delusion, a man gone mad. It was impossible to describe. I saw space & time as just a construction of the mind. My room "disappeared", and the world spoke to me. I'm not sure how more ineffable it could have gone...
Is this a normal reaction from weed? Is everyone experiencing something similar to that?
IMHE this is not a 'normal' reaction to weed and I worry about THC destabilising you and throwing you waaaayyyy off track. Remember all the stuff we spoke about bias-checking too- don't get shackled by fantasy or delusion. I genuinely think you ought to take a step back from your self imposed role as 'messenger' or 'understander of the mystic' because if these ideas are what you THINK they are- then they aren't going anywhere! Mental health, however, can be muchmore fickle.
Much love, Solar but come on, PLEASE be careful with this stuff.

EDIT: You know my stance on much of this stuff, I'm not trying to come across like a condescending prick- nor am I saying denounce wonder. I just don't want you to fry yourself.
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Hey S-shroomster, you might get allot out of listening to Stan Grof... Just a heads up!
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My point, solarshroomster, is that atheists do experience divine experience... even if they dont call it that and in fact reject the possibility of divine experience, what they experience is the same as what religious people experience, only they might call it a different name. They might call it 'love' or 'joy'. They would reject my term divine experience, but they would accept that they experience moments of clarity and unity, just like you.
I would suggest that you lean a bit more towards empathy. I'm not saying you're not empathetic now at all in your whole life... but in this area, about mysticism, you might benefit from more empathy. Empathy means simply understanding the perspective of another and trying best you can to see it as your own. So to understand the atheist perspective, think of their life. They do not believe in god, or in ultimate reality. So all they can do is live their life. When they do so, live their earthly lives, they put meaning into simple things. Since they think life is all that there is, they want to make it better, increasing the number of beautiful things in the world - a very noble goal from any angle.
They sometimes experience the same degree of transcendence experienced by a religious person except it is interpreted differently. They might experience a 'divine experience' under the earlier terminology, except not from god, but from the birth of their child. The emotional experience is the same, the only difference is interpretation.
I fear that when you blanket judge atheists in this way, you're doing precisely the same thing done by those who say, 'you must believe x religion!'. You're essentially saying, 'you must believe in god!' But what I'm trying to say is, a person can be just as in touch with the 'divine', however you yourself intrepret it, if they do good things in life and appreciate it. They are just as intouch with the divine, except they call it 'human kindness'. An atheist might use different words to convey the same emotional resonance, the same experience, as a theist might.
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Grof calls those experiences transpersonal, non ordinary, holotropic...
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CreonAntigone said: My point, solarshroomster, is that atheists do experience divine experience... even if they dont call it that and in fact reject the possibility of divine experience, what they experience is the same as what religious people experience, only they might call it a different name. They might call it 'love' or 'joy'. They would reject my term divine experience, but they would accept that they experience moments of clarity and unity, just like you.
I agree as much, but a certain point, if it moves like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Let's go through the checklist:
(1) Are there things that are ineffable? Yes (2) Are we part of Reality, as opposed to part of Reality? Yes (3) Is the Universe conscious? Yes (see point #2) (3) Are we interconnected? Yes (4) Do we live inside our mind? Yes (5) Is there a universality to these experiences that impart similar revelations about the nature of existence, world, and Self independent of culturally-induced interpretations? Yes
We can safely then say that "God exists". On one hand, it is semantics; but, on the other, it's immature to try to impose another name on something that clearly has been talked about as "God" in the past.
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CreonAntigone said: I would suggest that you lean a bit more towards empathy. I'm not saying you're not empathetic now at all in your whole life... but in this area, about mysticism, you might benefit from more empathy. Empathy means simply understanding the perspective of another and trying best you can to see it as your own.
Again, I agree with this sentiment. If we are all one, we need to accept that there are other versions of the Self that have done and continue to do wrong.
By the same token though, they should be more empathetic towards me.
To be clear, they convinced me that the experiences that I have had recently are just not possible. They fed me so many lies.
They kept insisting there was nothing after death, but yet missed the real magic that, if we came from nothingness before, what's to stop it again from happening? At least they could have been humble before this question as opposed to suggesting that it wasn't possible, because the scientific method couldn't prove it one way or the other.
They pointed to a world "out there", forcing myself to see myself as a stranger to my own home. They told me to worships the stars "out there" and see the Big Bang as an explosion in space. (The Big Bang is actually the expansion of spacetime itself, so we're all implicitly interconnected and relative towards one another).
They told me to worship reason & technology and ignore intuition (or, in other words, things the scientific method can't prove for certain one way or the other).
Every time I had a feeling that I was interconnected, they sneered in my face "woo woo"!
Quite frankly, they're bullies. And we can make a point about how some religious fundamentalists are bullies too, but that's not what we are discussing here--and, if I'm being honest, that point has been made ad nauseum. Literally, turn a TV and it's all we hear about. Religion is about rules and bullying people! They can't accept evolution! They think there's a man in the sky with a beard! How laughable!
In hindsight, their ploy was obvious... lead people astray to throw out the spiritual baby away with the bathwater.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: Groundhog Day [Re: Lithop]
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Lithop said: Apt how I just changed my title to "Chapel Perilous" it seems you may have become an alter boy there without even realising it bro.
"I woke up in a snowstorm, painted in frost. And strange designs that connected all my thoughts I was a bird lost in a storm- far away from home, with no idea where I've flown"
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solarshroomster said: Anyhow, I take solace in what Lithop told me once that when you begin to place effort on appreciation, as opposed to explanation, new windows into perception fling open. (Correct me on that if I miscited you).
Not a miscite, but rather than take solace in it - which is all well and good- I beg that you really try to take the message onboard.
CreonAntigone hit the nail on the head just before with:
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CreonAntigone said: The simplicity of divine experience is apparent in the living of life.
Don't you see that this is the message being propsed to you, time and again? You don't like the answer that things are exactly how they are, regardless of your level of understanding? To accept & embrace your life as it comes, as it constantly changes allows you a position where you can enjoy both the mystical and practical aspects of existence without the need of either bogging you down.
For example: allow yourself to appreciate the innate wonder of evolution- study local plants & animals, how they interact with each other & their environment to shape the entire ecosystem around them. Or learn music theory, dive into how the parsing & arranging of frequency can open a whole world governed by interesting rules and intrinsic discovery around every corner.
My point being, stop pushing so hard on this that you break yourself. I promise you will give in before 'reality' does, don't turn these ideas that gave you such a sense of relief and freedom into another thought prison for yourself.
Imagine you were the first person to invent.... a hammer. Why spend the rest of your life convincing others that there is this amazing tool out there, than to actually use the hammer to fucking fix some stuff? What do you really WANT from your discoveries, from your learnings?
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solarshroomster said: Now that I see that I was duped and know the higher dimension, everything rings with meaning. The universe has come alive, because it always was alive through us (a truth I could not have appreciated when I was indoctrinated to think of a world "out there", as opposed to "in here" through astronomy... you see what I'm getting at?)
The focus that others duping you, lying to you, keeping things from you etc putting you into the role of victim is the most concerning aspect, bro. This versus mentality about something that, ultimately, your mental sovereignty/autonomy could hinge on, is beyond standing on a knives edge. Allow other people to believe what they want man, what right have you to 'force their hand' the way you feel yours was forced? As for everything ringing with meaning- you know yourself that this can be a warning sign.
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solarshroomster said: I don't need to explain any of this...
You really don't need to explain! Yet the drive to explain and prove wrong the skeptics, dupers and 'athiests' seems to be causing you varying distress for extended periods of time. I feel like we're gonna end up tailchasing over this again. In your other thread you said this:
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solarshroomster said: Can you help me out here? I smoked weed last night. For 7.5 hours I was fully convinced I discovered a riddle behind the universe. Not, thinking that I did, mind you, but fully and absolutely of the experience that I discovered something absolutely incredible about our existence. I came up with the most genius ideas, my dreams came alive, memories that were previously obscured were unearthed. I became "early man", the first ape to light the ceremonial marijuana bud and usher himself into another dimension. I saw myself through that ape. I was the archetypal first man to return the "universal knowledge" back to that-worldly plane. Patterns reassembled themselves to create impossible meaning, too uncanny to just dismiss as a delusion, a man gone mad. It was impossible to describe. I saw space & time as just a construction of the mind. My room "disappeared", and the world spoke to me. I'm not sure how more ineffable it could have gone...
Is this a normal reaction from weed? Is everyone experiencing something similar to that?
IMHE this is not a 'normal' reaction to weed and I worry about THC destabilising you and throwing you waaaayyyy off track. Remember all the stuff we spoke about bias-checking too- don't get shackled by fantasy or delusion. I genuinely think you ought to take a step back from your self imposed role as 'messenger' or 'understander of the mystic' because if these ideas are what you THINK they are- then they aren't going anywhere! Mental health, however, can be muchmore fickle.
Much love, Solar but come on, PLEASE be careful with this stuff.

EDIT: You know my stance on much of this stuff, I'm not trying to come across like a condescending prick- nor am I saying denounce wonder. I just don't want you to fry yourself.

I love this post, and, no again, Lithop, you weren't condescending. It's just interesting to me -- you're speaking the truth, and almost all of these responses speak the truth, but I think what people aren't appreciating here is how incredible this stuff actually is.
How long have you known about the existence of the mystical domain for? Do you remember the day you discovered it was a real thing? What confirmed it for you? How did it feel like for you that day you discovered it?
I'm just a little distraught how this was all so obvious to everyone else but me. I'm 31 years old, but yet I feel like I was kept out of a great secret for some strange reason.
Here's an analogy: say there's a potion that grants you the ability to fly. You have always dreamed of flying, but yet no one has ever told you about that potion. Instead, all you've heard is that you don't have wings and can't fly. Imagine how shocking it would be when you discovered this potion!
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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FishOilTheKid said: Hey S-shroomster, you might get allot out of listening to Stan Grof... Just a heads up!
He's great. And I love Grof. Unfortunately, atheists have told me he's "woo woo", so I can't take much of what he says seriously. It's the reality of the situation.
I think the lesson learned here is to just think for yourself, and not take what other people say as the "truth". You can find your own truth yourself, through yourself. I have faith, FishOilKid, that you know exactly what I'm talking about!
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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solarshroomster said: but I think what people aren't appreciating here is how incredible this stuff actually is.
 I can see a lot of appreciation in the world.

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solarshroomster said: How long have you known about the existence of the mystical domain for? Do you remember the day you discovered it was a real thing? What confirmed it for you? How did it feel like for you that day you discovered it?
 I also would have accepted "MYSTICAL DOMAIN? MYSTICAL DOMAIN?!?! YOU AREN'T LOOKIN' AT THE BIGGER PICTURE!"
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solarshroomster said: I'm just a little distraught how this was all so obvious to everyone else but me. I'm 31 years old, but yet I feel like I was kept out of a great secret for some strange reason.
Others have laid it out through this and the other thread as to why things seem to take the course they do, karmic implications, needing to be at certain points in your life for developmental reasons etc. On the being distraught part- let other peoples dismissal be water under the bridge IMO! And likely it wasn't as obvious to everyone else as you may think 
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solarshroomster said: Here's an analogy: say there's a potion that grants you the ability to fly. You have always dreamed of flying, but yet no one has ever told you about that potion. Instead, all you've heard is that you don't have wings and can't fly. Imagine how shocking it would be when you discovered this potion!
Yeah, I get you on that one.
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Re: Groundhog Day [Re: Lithop]
#28414337 - 07/30/23 06:18 PM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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OP I really like how you've framed this whole issue, being "duped." It makes me think of the common spiritual metaphor of a "veil" covering our eyes and causing us to not see what is always there.
I hear what you're saying about hard skulled atheists/reductionists (and the culture at large) duping us. But what do you think about the idea that deeper down, we are actually duping ourselves, and it is at that level that we can truly reverse the duping?
By the way, I believe there is a collective movement going on to reverse the duping, and as it gains momentum, we will eventually reach a tipping point where it is no longer controversial to discuss even in the mainstream media (which will probably no longer exist, anyways). The veil will have been lifted so far that we will take it as a matter of course that we are eternal beings manifesting each moment into creation, of one source.
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