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No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress?
#28409907 - 07/27/23 05:56 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Just watched it all, absolutely historic stuff! These three wtinesses, under oath, saying what they said, being put into the public record was just...wow.
Anyone else watch this?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28409922 - 07/27/23 06:11 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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too busy being shown hunter bidens penis.
you kno, the really important stuff.
ive heard the navy pilots stories before. the air force guy with the forehead is new to me.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: mushboy]
#28409928 - 07/27/23 06:19 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb] 3
#28409964 - 07/27/23 07:13 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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While this media distraction was happening, five hundred children, two dozen school-teachers, and a few hospitals were bombed in Yemen and Sudan
(Note, I don't know if this actually occurred, but I'm trying to make a point about the US government using media frenzy to further commit atrocities.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Tulipslave]
#28409978 - 07/27/23 07:35 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Tulipslave said: While this media distraction was happening, five hundred children, two dozen school-teachers, and a few hospitals were bombed in Yemen and Sudan
(Note, I don't know if this actually occurred, but I'm trying to make a point about the US government using media frenzy to further commit atrocities.
did you just make up a thing out of whole cloth and pretend it could be real?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28410193 - 07/27/23 10:43 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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The UFO hearings are silly
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods]
#28410223 - 07/27/23 11:15 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Yes, aliens are real. This should have been obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Imagine thinking we live in this vast, almost infinite universe with trillions of planets and star systems and thinking that *only* Earth developed intelligent life, because we're so special.
This shouldn't even be controversial.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: chopstick]
#28410225 - 07/27/23 11:17 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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To think that we live in this vast universe and that two sets of intelligent life would exist in the same space at the same time. Silly.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: chopstick]
#28410226 - 07/27/23 11:17 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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The question isn’t whether aliens are real, but whether they are visiting earth. Aliens almost certainly are real but the universe is far too vast for them to ever get to earth.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods]
#28410264 - 07/27/23 11:35 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods]
#28410405 - 07/27/23 01:28 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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koods said: The UFO hearings are silly
Seems bipartisan to me. Chuck Schumers amendment, is very odd if there is absolutely nothing....it implements a JFK like committee regarding this.
I have never believed in visitation but left open the possibility of such. I have yet to see the evidence confirming anything, but if I read the political tea leaves, something seems to be pressing this issue to the forefront. Whether that's aliens or a new arms race, who knows.
We will see soon, according to numerous sources, there are swath of other high level military and government officials that are about to confirm and present evidence to these wild assertions.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods]
#28410648 - 07/27/23 05:07 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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koods said: The UFO hearings are silly
Your opinion about the UFO hearings are what is silly.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28410695 - 07/27/23 05:57 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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I don't see why Congress should be wasting time on this. Where in the Constitution does it say that Congress has the power to regulate interplanetary relations?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods]
#28410708 - 07/27/23 06:05 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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koods said: The question isn’t whether aliens are real, but whether they are visiting earth
and how can have sex with them
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28410717 - 07/27/23 06:11 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Yes, call me skeptic. Secondly, I am sure the military is watching for new tech and if any were ours it should be our classified surprise and I think congress is just nosy or as mentioned above, wasting time.
Maybe it is just a show to work on Russia's paranoia. Cheers
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28410751 - 07/27/23 06:38 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't see why Congress should be wasting time on this. Where in the Constitution does it say that Congress has the power to regulate interplanetary relations?
So you don't think that UFO's flying in US airspace, in restricted training areas even is a national security risk? You don't think defence contractors having crash retreival and reverse engineering programs is in the public interest or should require congressional oversight? You don't think the public deserves to know whether we are alone or not? Did you even watch or care about the substance of the hearings at all? Are you blind deaf and dumb to the historic implications here?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28410756 - 07/27/23 06:39 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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I watched them. I didn't see much that hasn't been said before. None of it is very credible, TBH.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28410759 - 07/27/23 06:42 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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The Inspector General who was privvy to all the evidence Grush handed over thought it was 'credible and urgent', so pardon me for not caring about your opinion on this.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28410768 - 07/27/23 06:45 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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We've been down this road before.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28410786 - 07/27/23 07:04 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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I watched most of them as well. I agree, blah, reminds me of the 60's and 70's. Guaranteed, the info they provided at the hearing gets you no closer to knowing if you are alone or not and the real salacious stuff was hear say second hand that I talked to somebody and he said this. I think Neil deGrasse Tyson has it right and everybody having a excellent photo taking phone in their pocket and all we get is grainy pictures. Defense is defense and might need oversite but that was not what this hearing was. Yawn. I didn't see the famous inspector general at the hearing. 90+ percent of the stuff is figured out and what is left is just stuff not figured out but does not give proof it is more then an anomaly. I can't believe I am wasting my time typing this. Cheers
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: gww]
#28411066 - 07/27/23 11:20 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Yawn. If aliens want to say hello, they'll make it obvious.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods] 1
#28411275 - 07/28/23 05:58 AM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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koods said: The question isn’t whether aliens are real, but whether they are visiting earth. Aliens almost certainly are real but the universe is far too vast for them to ever get to earth.
Just remember that chopstick is wrong about everything
The latter attitude is the same that shut down and othered earlier radicals and crazies, rather than talk about them on a single issue on its merits. It’s a child that sits smugly within the tepid self-polluting kiddie pool of its own self importance and says “aliens are silly.” Of course you must be correct. the only way something is possible is because of what we say is possible, and because what I say is impossible then that simply can’t be happening. And yet you might entertain the notion of intelligent species developing countless years in advance of us, who might have figured out way more than us squabbling primates? I think there’s hints of a deep fascination with what “came from above” everywhere: from our sci fi to psychedlics, space travel, the development and expression of worlds we lose ourselves in (cinema, VR etc). I am not espousing to know precisely what It is, but there is a history of some seventy years of these events occurring, in multiple parts of the world, some of it documented extremely well. I’m also referring only to the small percentage of events without an explanation despite investigation. And yet for the longest time ANYONE shaken or astounded enough to come forward, without monetary reimbursement, have been all together viewed as crazies who probably take mushrooms and like weird lights and astrology and shit.
And some of these people used to maintain and operate nuclear weapons silos. And who command squadrons of F16s and have quality footage of something quite remarkable.
Again, I don’t claim to know precisely anything other than to suggest that it’s wise to pin prick self assurance…
Because where is the monetary or reputational benefit in being proven an outright liar in front of congress ? These people aren’t politicians. They’re well credentialed folk testifying to what they have seen and been privy to.
It’s well worth investigating the existence of craft that can seemingly defy our understanding of physics.
I don’t think it’s all bullshit. And I think to ultimately condemn it all as such to be quite foolish.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Milleresque]
#28411296 - 07/28/23 06:25 AM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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i agree. if for example you replace chopstick with the username enlil...then it seems to be that enlil would delete the post based on it being a personal attack unless its hypothetical (which is why i think this is likely to stay up).
thus as the statement about choppy isnt hypothetical... i feel 1) theres an unreasonable double standard with regard to the person with added power...and 2)its taking away from the discussion.
now i have yet to witness chopstick being right on anything per say. but arguments should likely be made on their merits and not against the individual making the argument. even a broken donald trump may be right twice a day and all that.
i think what the UFO argument lacks is a clear answer, which is upsetting. the question is are there people with the answers who are obfuscating those answers or just more people with more information but still no answers.
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Milleresque said: It’s a child that sits smugly within the tepid self-polluting kiddie pool of its own self importance and says “aliens are silly.”
Nailed it
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#28411357 - 07/28/23 07:54 AM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Tulipslave said: While this media distraction was happening, five hundred children, two dozen school-teachers, and a few hospitals were bombed in Yemen and Sudan
(Note, I don't know if this actually occurred, but I'm trying to make a point about the US government using media frenzy to further commit atrocities.
did you just make up a thing out of whole cloth and pretend it could be real?

Did you read the last section of the post?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods]
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koods said: The question isn’t whether aliens are real, but whether they are visiting earth. Aliens almost certainly are real but the universe is far too vast for them to ever get to earth.
Just remember that chopstick is wrong about everything
Also considering mushroom spores and tardigrades(?; aka waterbears) can survive the extreme temperatures of space and its vacuum.......seems pretty clear.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Milleresque]
#28411382 - 07/28/23 08:28 AM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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They’re well credentialed folk testifying to what they have seen and been privy to.
Thing is, there was a major who was also a serial killer. General flyn wanted to declare marshal law and seize voting machines. Credentials only tell part of a story. I am not saying these guys are on the level of the two mentioned above but more saying being good at one thing does not make you expert on everything. You have to use common sense with what they were saying and decide if their perception makes sense. They do not get a pass that they are right just because they were responsible in some other area of their life. I could see a light go across the sky and think it might be a plane on fire and say so and somebody else might believe it is a meteor. Maybe no real ill will in this but both can not be true. Just what good or new did wasting a whole day, instead of doing some other productive thing, come out of this? Cheers
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: gww]
#28411407 - 07/28/23 08:59 AM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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All the videos I’ve seen are easily debunked. Most people are just idiots.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Tulipslave]
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Tulipslave said: While this media distraction was happening, five hundred children, two dozen school-teachers, and a few hospitals were bombed in Yemen and Sudan
(Note, I don't know if this actually occurred, but I'm trying to make a point about the US government using media frenzy to further commit atrocities.
did you just make up a thing out of whole cloth and pretend it could be real?

Did you read the last section of the post?
yeah where you said... hey i made that up but it could be true... yeah i read it...
did you know that right now donald trump is torturing a kitten? i mean i dont know this actually occurred but im trying to make a point here.
did you know that while we were typing this hunter biden used meth 45 times i mean i dont know this actually occurred but im trying to make a point here..
the lack of truth to your point undermines your whole point and is completely outrageous.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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I disagree. His point is that while Congress is wasting time on little green men, there are actual social problems that are far more urgent and pressing. Whether his particular example is true or not, there is certainly something that occurred at the same time as the UAP hearing that should have taken priority over it.
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koods said: The question isn’t whether aliens are real, but whether they are visiting earth. Aliens almost certainly are real but the universe is far too vast for them to ever get to earth.
Just remember that chopstick is wrong about everything
Also considering mushroom spores and tardigrades(?; aka waterbears) can survive the extreme temperatures of space and its vacuum.......seems pretty clear.
Neither of those things can survive exposed in space. DNA is extremely fragile and cannot survive the radiation of space nor heating above 190°C, the thermal decomposition temperature of DNA, which is a fundamental property and cannot magically be avoided.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: I disagree. His point is that while Congress is wasting time on little green men, there are actual social problems that are far more urgent and pressing. Whether his particular example is true or not, there is certainly something that occurred at the same time as the UAP hearing that should have taken priority over it.
there are things happening with UAP that do require congressional attn. enough i guess to lead our representatives to hold this... if the things he had said had actually happened it is very likely that our representatives would have held a discussion on those topics as well...
as they didnt happen the comparison is pointless because we have no idea if they would have taken precedent or changed the agenda in any way if they WOULD have happened... because they simply did not happen.
what a pointless way to debate... nothing happened but if it did it would have been better served if we had talked about the thing that didnt happen instead of the UAP thing..
enlil your art of other timeline prognostication is a very valuable tool im sure... just not on this time line.
sit down... you have no point
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods]
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koods said: All the videos I’ve seen are easily debunked. Most people are just idiots.
Do you consider youself in the 'most people' category?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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Probably but not as credulous as most
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods]
#28412006 - 07/28/23 08:29 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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So a probable self-confessed idiot who thinks marginally highly of himself than others? I suppose thats marginally better than outright arrogance. In any case, those videos have been analysed by highly trained and edcuated observers who know what they are looking at and they have concluded that your opinion means nothing.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28412011 - 07/28/23 08:37 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Except that didn't happen.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28412285 - 07/29/23 02:36 AM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Following.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
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This was a big nothing burger. Hard evidence or gtfo. This is less credible than US snipers at euromaidan protests.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Ice9]
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i missed the behind closed door session so im not sure if theres any THERE there... but if i obtain the notes iĺl ... still not report on it cuz id go to jail... :nod:
i would like to know what was said, or if they all jut got in the room and went hahahahahaha these people believe in UFOS.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28413097 - 07/29/23 06:08 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Skepticism til the point of arrogant narccism is boring, yawn. How could you listen through this hearing and at least not be curious? Dead heads in this forum, utterly self-important hubris will be the death of our species.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28413099 - 07/29/23 06:11 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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thetruthsohelp said: Skepticism til the point of arrogant narccism is boring, yawn. How could you listen through this hearing and at least not be curious? Dead heads in this forum, utterly self-important hubris will be the death of our species.
you addressed that to me, are you actually asking me? i found it pretty interesting myself.
its still being purposefully very cryptic. and i can see so many reasons for that.
so i dont have conclusions.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28413103 - 07/29/23 06:15 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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I was not directing the post at you persnonally, more to Enlil and koods who are so far up their own rabbit holes on this topic and so inflated their sense of sevles above the truth that their curiosity is eclipsed and snuffed out by their arrogance in their trite opinions of topics of great importance. I'm probably gonna get banned for this post too, but hey, thems the breaks g.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28413112 - 07/29/23 06:22 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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What makes you think this is a topic of great importance? People have been talking about ufos and aliens since the 50's, at least. There have been multiple government actions taken about it. Nothing ever comes of it. It's just a populist move to keep people interested.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28413117 - 07/29/23 06:28 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Legitamate confirmation and evidence is what will make or break this whole subject, talk is talk, talk under oath means more, classified talk under oath means even more, disclosure of evidence to the public means everything. You have your asanine opinion and I don't care. You think Grusch is lying, if so, he is in contempt of congress and looking at jailtime, but if you really think that, you have not looked at his level of access and credentials. I legit don't care if you don't believe at this point, you will be proven wrong in the end and these hearings mark a milestone in history that small minds such as you and koods cannot comprehend. There is ample evidence of uap so mcu so that your rampant scepticism is no longer rational or warranted.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28413125 - 07/29/23 06:36 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Enlil said: What makes you think this is a topic of great importance? People have been talking about ufos and aliens since the 50's, at least. There have been multiple government actions taken about it. Nothing ever comes of it. It's just a populist move to keep people interested.
ancient Sumerians were talking about ufos. the 1950s is a tad bit off.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28413127 - 07/29/23 06:37 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Enlil said: What makes you think this is a topic of great importance? People have been talking about ufos and aliens since the 50's, at least. There have been multiple government actions taken about it. Nothing ever comes of it. It's just a populist move to keep people interested.
ancient Sumerians were talking about ufos. the 1950s is a tad bit off.

Also refrencing project blue book 50's "investigation" which was a project with sever government induced bias to debunk and putting it in the same category as these hearings is misguided at best and uber idiotic at worst.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28413131 - 07/29/23 06:44 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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They held a meeting, and precisely NO ONE came with receipts. IMO continuing this discussion belongs in the conspiracy forum. These people had a chance to shoot their shot, but all they had was innuendo and supposition. This is why most people can't stand this shit and can't stand people that go on and on about it with never having evidence..
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28413134 - 07/29/23 06:48 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Enlil said: What makes you think this is a topic of great importance? People have been talking about ufos and aliens since the 50's, at least. There have been multiple government actions taken about it. Nothing ever comes of it. It's just a populist move to keep people interested.
ancient Sumerians were talking about ufos. the 1950s is a tad bit off.
I don't believe you. Source? My read of Sumerian texts is that they absolutely identified the flying objects.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Ice9]
#28413135 - 07/29/23 06:49 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Ice9 said: They held a meeting, and precisely NO ONE came with receipts. IMO continuing this discussion belongs in the conspiracy forum. These people had a chance to shoot their shot, but all they had was innuendo and supposition. This is why most people can't stand this shit and can't stand people that go on and on about it with never having evidence..
What exactly do you think these hearing were about? Gathering cigarrete butts from the floor? What is your definiton of evidence? You think Grusch didn't come with receipts? He literally said he knows where the tech is! Do you even know what NDA's are or what he risks if he discloses classified intel in an open hearing, or if he lies to congress? Did you expect him to come to the hearing with a peice of a ufo or something? Get real! Thats not how this shit works, its not how government works, its not how this world works. Wake up.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28413136 - 07/29/23 06:50 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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That's weird, because for every other subject, they bring docs to support their claims.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28413137 - 07/29/23 06:52 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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He already submitted them to the Inspector General. He cannot disclose them to the public. Do you even know what classfied means? Are you this stupid?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28413138 - 07/29/23 06:53 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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And you know that how? Because someone told you?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28413140 - 07/29/23 06:54 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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You have not done your due diligence, look it up, I am not going to do the work for you, but my bet it is you won't becuase people like you don't care about truth.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28413143 - 07/29/23 06:57 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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I will make you a bet than within 6 months, all of this will be out of the news cycle and nothing will have come of it. I've been through this too many times.
The only really fun part about this is that people like you are now acting like the federal government actually ADDS credibility to the whole thing. Why would you ever trust congress?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28413152 - 07/29/23 07:10 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Enlil said: What makes you think this is a topic of great importance? People have been talking about ufos and aliens since the 50's, at least. There have been multiple government actions taken about it. Nothing ever comes of it. It's just a populist move to keep people interested.
ancient Sumerians were talking about ufos. the 1950s is a tad bit off.
I don't believe you. Source? My read of Sumerian texts is that they absolutely identified the flying objects.
source on that is sitchen and his ilk... certainly has evidence that has compelled many, but if you dont like sitchens Sumerian enturpritions we could go with Vedas... which is still pretty damned far from the 1950s and far less room to argue than sitchen would give... or the hebrew texts and stories... with unidentified flying craft going back to nearly 5000 bc.... still a few years off of the 1950s.
plenty of example in ufo shaped objects in ancient artwork as well, some look very much like the 1950s sci-fi-esq craft.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28413153 - 07/29/23 07:12 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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According to sitchin, the sumerians knew what the flying objects were.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28413155 - 07/29/23 07:15 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Enlil said: According to sitchin, the sumerians knew what the flying objects were.
acording to sitchen SOME people knew. SOME people may know what these suposed craft are that these hearings are about.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28413166 - 07/29/23 07:33 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Then they aren't UFOs
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28413167 - 07/29/23 07:38 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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the ones from the 1950s may not have been either.
but the average person sees them that way... and may have in ancient Sumeria
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28413170 - 07/29/23 07:42 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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the vedas describe ancient gods flying around on craft blowing things up with weapons that unleashed the power of suns.
you think that person eating goat on the corner was like... oh yeah thats normal? i know EXACTLY what that flying craft is... i know all about things flying around and unleashing light weapons.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28413376 - 07/29/23 11:24 PM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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It may be a larger news cycle given the legislation that has been proposed/ may be implemented. If there isn't a smoking gun, i.e. physical verifiable evidence, it goes back to what it has always been, eye witness accounts.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28413416 - 07/30/23 12:39 AM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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Enlil said: I disagree. His point is that while Congress is wasting time on little green men, there are actual social problems that are far more urgent and pressing. Whether his particular example is true or not, there is certainly something that occurred at the same time as the UAP hearing that should have taken priority over it.
Most actual social problems are also not solved by those people and I'd argue its just as preformative and useless as say politicians trying to "solve homelessness" but if they were actually going to help social programs and they couldn't because that ufo meeting I'd agree that the actual problems go first.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28413532 - 07/30/23 05:53 AM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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I’m curious what they are seeing. I’ve seen UFOs. Not for a minute did I consider they were aliens.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: koods]
#28413553 - 07/30/23 06:24 AM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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koods said: I’m curious what they are seeing. I’ve seen UFOs. Not for a minute did I consider they were aliens.
i have seen two things, one im pretty sure was space debris...but one of them was extrodinary.
so the space debris one, i was driving in a city, on a street that had been a main shopping street 30 years before and was now a lot of empty shops and stuff, so the buildings were all low and i saw a green light, falling... and then it broke into multiple fragments and those flamed out... all a weird electric green color. no one else reported it but it was bright enough i could see it even when there were street lamps between me and the object.
the other time i was pretty young and i was near plattsburg and i was on lake champlain and from the north i saw a light fly VERY fast...stop... hang out for a moment and then continue south just as fast as it came in. fast and smooth like moving around a laser pointer....and an extremely bright bright blueish white light.
it would have been... maybe a mile and a half across the lake there? and it was flying near tree level...have never seen anything move that fast before or sense and i used to watch the navy fly top speeds off the kitty hawk peir and the weather station peir on the outerbanks in NC. no idea how fast it could have been but at least 5x faster than any plane i have seen and came to an abrupt stop which planes cant really do anyhow.
no idea what it could have been and i never will find out.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28413697 - 07/30/23 08:35 AM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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Enlil said: I will make you a bet than within 6 months, all of this will be out of the news cycle and nothing will have come of it. I've been through this too many times.
The only really fun part about this is that people like you are now acting like the federal government actually ADDS credibility to the whole thing. Why would you ever trust congress?
First, there wasn't anything that would change minds. Second, how much was "congress" involved? I can't find any reports on the number of congresspersons in this subcommittee who participated in the hearing.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28413907 - 07/30/23 11:31 AM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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I belive there were 4....nothing set up yet.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ufo-hearing-uap-house-members-call-for-select-committee/
A group of House members are calling on Speaker Kevin McCarthy to form a select committee tasked with investigating the federal government's response to unidentified anomalous phenomena, known as UAPs or UFOs, further deepening Congress' quest for information about the mysterious objects. --------------------------------------------------
The Senate looks interested as well, especially Chuck Schumers Amendment to form a release of information similar to the JFK like committee.
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The hearings confirm what William Cooper talked about in his book Behold A Pale Horse. Exciting!
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#28418374 - 08/03/23 08:42 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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There is either a conspiracy to deceive the public into believing that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth. Or there is a conspiracy to cover up the fact that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth.
Whatever the case may be, there is a conspiracy afoot and boy would it be interesting to get to the bottom of this!
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
#28418375 - 08/03/23 08:43 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Warrk said: There is either a conspiracy to deceive the public into believing that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth. Or there is a conspiracy to cover up the fact that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth.
Whatever the case may be, there is a conspiracy afoot and boy would it be interesting to get to the bottom of this!
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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#28418389 - 08/03/23 08:56 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Warrk said: There is either a conspiracy to deceive the public into believing that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth. Or there is a conspiracy to cover up the fact that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth.
Whatever the case may be, there is a conspiracy afoot and boy would it be interesting to get to the bottom of this!
This is a false dichotomy. The most likely truth is that there is no conspiracy, and people feel the need to believe in something bigger than themselves, so they ascribe meaning to the unknown.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28418426 - 08/03/23 09:28 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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i mean there is SOMETHING that has been covered up, so it could just be a conspiracy to cover-up secret tech. but its not necessarily non-human intelligence.
also,
we dont know that (non-earth/earth in this timeline) people arent human
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28418436 - 08/03/23 09:33 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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The government keeping secrets is a wholly legitimate exercise of governmental power and responsibility, though...or at least it can be. In the legal sense, that wouldn't be a conspiracy. I suppose in the more colloquial sense, a conspiracy could include any secret agreement to do anything, but if we're talking about that, its a pretty meaningless term here.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28418442 - 08/03/23 09:36 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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thats just what the word means look it up in a non-law dictionary.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28418449 - 08/03/23 09:38 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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I know, but with that meaning, it's also a morally neutral term. My wife and I conspire to have sex. I conspired with my friend to play call of duty yesterday. The government conspiring to hide legitimate secrets is pretty much exactly what we want them to do.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28418450 - 08/03/23 09:39 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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your double standards know no end.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28418456 - 08/03/23 09:43 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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I don't swallow that Enlil. Why? Because these congressional hearings are not about blurry photographs and distant lights to which people ascribe meaning. This is something else and next level shit which in my mind is either a conspiracy due to the degree of cooperation and corroboration between disparate individuals and agencies if what they say are lies. Or they are telling the truth.
No false dichotomy here but wish there were!
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
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I think you might be exagerating the "congressional" nature of these hearings.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28418471 - 08/03/23 09:56 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Enlil said: I know, but with that meaning, it's also a morally neutral term. My wife and I conspire to have sex. I conspired with my friend to play call of duty yesterday. The government conspiring to hide legitimate secrets is pretty much exactly what we want them to do.
Black budget SAP's without congressional oversight is not 'legitimate' secrets, it is illegal, and that is the allegation from Mr Grusch, so once again, your point is well pointless.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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these hearings are interesting in as such that i do not believe that if there was NOTHING to discuss behind closed doors that would have had the discussion at all.
the hearing happened because some person saw something interesting and when they got to a wall where information wasnt public they said hey, i still want to know.
so they held a secret meaning to find out either
1) it boils down to nothing but secret tech
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2) there is something there to talk about.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28418479 - 08/03/23 09:58 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Can you support your assertions?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Not sure what you mean by that. The nature of this thread is all about the "UFO Hearing in Congress" right? I'm not making that up or exaggerating because anyone can look at the name of this thread and see for themselves, but I'm sure I have misunderstood what you mean.
Also I'm not sure how ascribing meaning to things unknown applies to claims of covert reverse engineering programs of downed exotic craft. Someone is lying and I'm not sure who.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
#28418490 - 08/03/23 10:04 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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The name of the thread can be anything. My point is that the presence of a congressperson in a hearing does not necessarily make it a congressional hearing.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28418500 - 08/03/23 10:09 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Can you support your assertions?
Its not my assertion, its the witnesses assertion.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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The witness never said anything about these programs being illegal.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: The witness never said anything about these programs being illegal.
True, but im pretty sure he did say that the programs were illegally witholding information from congress and operating 'illegally' without congressional oversight.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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So, is it your contention that this person is some sort of legal authority? You made the claim that it's illegal, so it's your burden to prove that. If the witness was some recognized legal scholar, please establish that. Otherwise, cite your authority for the illegality of the conduct.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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i think the witness was saying that the programs were funded through programs that were unrelated to the purpose of the funding.
like if the congress funded (who knows lets say 1000 dollars) for missles and then the ufo program took 300 of it and didnt tell anyone
i dont have specifics but that seemed that what he was saying.
i think thats illegal (misuse of govt funds maybe)
idk
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28418545 - 08/03/23 10:41 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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It may be. The devil is in the details, obviously. Without knowing the exact source of the funding and reading the statutory limitations of that funding, it's impossible to tell.
My problem is the presumption that it's illegal/illegitimate simply because it's not public knowledge.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28418550 - 08/03/23 10:44 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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I suppose so Enlil but it isn’t just this thread’s title and me making reference to Congress and congressional hearings. Just about any headline on the internet about this subject also calls this a congressional hearing so your claim about me exaggerating is misplaced for crying out loud.
You’re saying this in fact is not a congressional hearing but something else altogether? If something else can you tell us what it is?
Not that it really matters because the intrigue this whateveryouwannacallit hearing has unleashed a whole lotta questions! And my initial as well as subsequent statements remain - there’s a conspiracy afoot! At least I think so anyway but who am I to know anything of value…
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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My problem is the presumption that it's illegal/illegitimate simply because it's not public knowledge.
Who is making this presumption? I think the presumption only ever existed in your own mind.
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My problem is the presumption that it's illegal/illegitimate simply because it's not public knowledge.
Who is making this presumption? I think the presumption only ever existed in your own mind.
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Black budget SAP's without congressional oversight is not 'legitimate' secrets, it is illegal.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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My problem is the presumption that it's illegal/illegitimate simply because it's not public knowledge.
Who is making this presumption? I think the presumption only ever existed in your own mind.
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Black budget SAP's without congressional oversight is not 'legitimate' secrets, it is illegal.
A program illegally witholding infomration from congress is not legit, in no way was implying that just because its secret that its illegal or illegit. Again, that presumption was all in your own head.
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You're presuming it's illegal to withhold that information.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
#28418793 - 08/03/23 01:49 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Warrk said: I suppose so Enlil but it isn’t just this thread’s title and me making reference to Congress and congressional hearings. Just about any headline on the internet about this subject also calls this a congressional hearing so your claim about me exaggerating is misplaced for crying out loud.
You’re saying this in fact is not a congressional hearing but something else altogether? If something else can you tell us what it is?
Not that it really matters because the intrigue this whateveryouwannacallit hearing has unleashed a whole lotta questions! And my initial as well as subsequent statements remain - there’s a conspiracy afoot! At least I think so anyway but who am I to know anything of value…
I don't think the point is that it wasn't a congressional hearing but something else altogether. Rather it was a hearing with about 4 members of congress, so the term, "congressional hearing", is probably technically correct, but gives a very misleading impression of its significance. How many members of congress were not involved? Almost all of them.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Brian Jones]
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As in...over 99% of them weren't involved.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: You're presuming it's illegal to withhold that information.
Thats what the witness said, but you are moving the goalposts now like a true lawyer when trapped by facts. Thats not what you said, your presumption was in your own head and I refuted what you said and now you are obscufating as usual.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28419067 - 08/03/23 05:13 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Enlil said: As in...over 99% of them weren't involved.
So you think all of congress should be in attendance to make it 'congressional'? LOL
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Brian Jones]
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No doubt this is in its infancy, however, I do find it very interesting that high ranking Senators have made statements and agreed on legislation specifically related to NHI and UDAP.
To be clear, not one of them have admitted the existence of NHI.....but there is some reason why this is coming to the forefront. This seems extremely preemptive, on a topic that has been taboo for years....then again we have a presidential front runner that has around 100 charges on both sides of the law.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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I saw a video with AOC talking about it. Her interest was essentially nothing to do with aliens but more about cracking down on secrecy with how the military spends it's money and corruption with defense contractors.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28419150 - 08/03/23 06:07 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Has anyone even read the latest legislation in the works on this topic? Its pretty damn, well, explosive and specific in its scope. If there was nothing to this, why would this have even been drafted? If there were nothing to these claims, if there was no evidence being given behind the scenes then nothing would have come of this, yet here we are. Congressional hearings and specific legistlation being drafted to reign in these 'supposed' SAP's. We will see.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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It's cute that you think congresspeople aren't just dumb cunts with suits on
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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feevers said: It's cute that you think congresspeople aren't just dumb cunts with suits on
I think they are human just like the rest of us, and I think you are channeling trumpism right now.
"Everyone is a dumb cunt apart from meism"
Good luck with that philosophy.
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Enlil said: You're presuming it's illegal to withhold that information.
Thats what the witness said, but you are moving the goalposts now like a true lawyer when trapped by facts. Thats not what you said, your presumption was in your own head and I refuted what you said and now you are obscufating as usual. 
Unless the witness is an accepted legal expert, his opinion carries no weight
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: You're presuming it's illegal to withhold that information.
Thats what the witness said, but you are moving the goalposts now like a true lawyer when trapped by facts. Thats not what you said, your presumption was in your own head and I refuted what you said and now you are obscufating as usual. 
Unless the witness is an accepted legal expert, his opinion carries no weight
I'll put that squarely in the category of not my problem then. I still maintain that your intial presumption was all in your head, but like a typical lawyer, you will never admit that.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
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I think they are human just like the rest of us, and I think you are channeling trumpism right now.
"Everyone is a dumb cunt apart from meism"
Good luck with that philosophy.
Not everyone, just most people in congress
You'd agree with me too if they weren't whispering sweet nothings of martians and saucers into your ears
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So you must presume it's illegal based on a laypersons opinion. Got it.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: feevers]
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feevers said: It's cute that you think congresspeople aren't just dumb cunts with suits on
I think they are human just like the rest of us, and I think you are channeling trumpism right now.
"Everyone is a dumb cunt apart from meism"
Good luck with that philosophy.
Not everyone, just most people in congress
You'd agree with me too if they weren't whispering sweet nothings of martians and saucers into your ears
I think the witnesses are credible, not congress. The witnesses were under oath not congress. Please don't be a dumbass about this. Of course I think that congress are mostly incompetent, like most of humanity, but I also know where there is smoke there is usually fire. Have you even looked at the latest legislation regarding UAP disclosure? Its pretty damn specific and well written so if there is something to be discovered, then I think it highly likely given these specifics that congress will soon be informed, whether that means the general public will ever be is a different matter. Still its interesting and im curious to see what comes of all this, the hearings and the legislation. Don't let your cynicism blind you is my advice. Congress have not been whispering shit about martians into anyone's ears so don't be a dingbat about this subject and actually inform yourself. It would be nice if for once on this forum a moderator would think for themselves.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: So you must presume it's illegal based on a laypersons opinion. Got it.
Putting words in other peoples mouths seems to be somehwat of a skillset of yours.
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The unknown objects they're talking about are really just aircraft, made on earth, nothing special about them except some might be experimental or secret, but there's no alien involvement.
If aliens came here, it would be to our civilization what a period is to the end of a sentence. It would be the end of our civilization as we know it. They would be billions of years more advanced than we are technologically. Their ships would be so massive that they'd be visible to the naked eye in space in broad daylight. You'd need ships of that size to survive the millions or billions of years in space it would take to get here.
If you take into account that the vast majority of human history has been extremely violent, brutal, and warlike, almost constant war, and the fact that the vast majority of all human governments have been dictatorships...
It's likely that an alien civilization would be a violent, warlike dictatorship, which would quickly conquer us with their superior technology. Then they'd probably either directly enslave us or effectively enslave us, have us work in their factories and mines, and strip our planet of all its resources.
That's how I know no aliens have ever been here, because if they had our civilization wouldn't exist anymore. It's possible an alien satellite might eventually come our way, but it's unclear whether or not that satellite would survive the journey through space, or the crash landing, or if we'd be able to find it and recognize it if it did.
The only hope that we have is that aliens probably wouldn't consider us worth the time and effort it would take to get here.
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Thats just like, your opinion man.....
An arrogant one at that.
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You said it's illegal. As a source, you offered the opinion of a layperson. What part of that isn't accurate?
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28419236 - 08/03/23 07:14 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Warrk said: I suppose so Enlil but it isn’t just this thread’s title and me making reference to Congress and congressional hearings. Just about any headline on the internet about this subject also calls this a congressional hearing so your claim about me exaggerating is misplaced for crying out loud.
You’re saying this in fact is not a congressional hearing but something else altogether? If something else can you tell us what it is?
Not that it really matters because the intrigue this whateveryouwannacallit hearing has unleashed a whole lotta questions! And my initial as well as subsequent statements remain - there’s a conspiracy afoot! At least I think so anyway but who am I to know anything of value…
I don't think the point is that it wasn't a congressional hearing but something else altogether. Rather it was a hearing with about 4 members of congress, so the term, "congressional hearing", is probably technically correct, but gives a very misleading impression of its significance. How many members of congress were not involved? Almost all of them.
Fair enough and as I'm not an American citizen and I don't know how political structures and processes work in details in the USA I'm only going with what other commentators and what the media are saying.
However, looking at Wikipedia's entry on Congressional Hearings and based on media reports aren't the hearings heard by committees rather than the whole of Congress? That 99% of Congress was not present during these UFO hearings still make them Congressional Hearings no?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_hearing#:~:text=A%20United%20States%20congressional%20hearing,early%20stages%20of%20legislative%20policymaking.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: You said it's illegal. As a source, you offered the opinion of a layperson. What part of that isn't accurate?
I was saying that that is the claim by the witness and I think the witness is credible. The details of the illegality I already discussed, its on the record with congress. You want to call a highly decorared intellgence officer with high level clearance and a lifetime of service a layman, well thats your dispute. A
Also, I never said just that becuase it was secret that it was the illegal, that was your claim, which was a strawman of what I was saying, which i refuted. You moved the goalposts then, get it!?
Stop with the lawyer speak, you are wasting my time. Keep doing this shit and ill just put you on ignore, its tiresome.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: So you must presume it's illegal based on a laypersons opinion. Got it.
Daniel Sheehan also says it is illegal and allegedly illegal and he ain't no layperson.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12175195/Crashed-UFO-recovered-military-distorted-space-time.html
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
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I'm just confused how the whistleblower knows that this imaginary little big UFO distorts time
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
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Enlil said: So you must presume it's illegal based on a laypersons opinion. Got it.
Daniel Sheehan also says it is illegal and allegedly illegal and he ain't no layperson.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12175195/Crashed-UFO-recovered-military-distorted-space-time.html
He's a known conspiracy nutter, though.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: feevers]
#28419280 - 08/03/23 07:36 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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feevers said: I'm just confused how the whistleblower knows that this imaginary little big UFO distorts time
Because he made it up...
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I keep seeing people in this forum repeat "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" yet in this thread, credible witness seems to pass muster for some as "extraordinary evidence". If you are going to claim their are aliens here, I fully expect you to show up to the presentation with an actual alien. Till that happens, you're looney toons and your claims are lunacy.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28419322 - 08/03/23 07:49 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Enlil said: So you must presume it's illegal based on a laypersons opinion. Got it.
Daniel Sheehan also says it is illegal and allegedly illegal and he ain't no layperson.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12175195/Crashed-UFO-recovered-military-distorted-space-time.html
He's a known conspiracy nutter, though.
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Enlil said: So you must presume it's illegal based on a laypersons opinion. Got it.
Daniel Sheehan also says it is illegal and allegedly illegal and he ain't no layperson.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12175195/Crashed-UFO-recovered-military-distorted-space-time.html
He's a known conspiracy nutter, though.
That may or may not be the case. What is true is that he is a lawyer, that's the point that is important no?
We could also dismiss you as a nobody Enlil since you're known as a drug user. See how this works?
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
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Sydney Powell is a lawyer (or once could practice law) but she got her election fraud info from a lady who told her she got it from the wind. What is your stance on such so we know how to value your contribution? You get to dig your own hole and see how hard it is to climb out after you do it. Drug use, blah... You can be crazier with out it then some with it. Cheers gww
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: gww]
#28419361 - 08/03/23 08:05 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Rudy Giuliani is a lawyer. He was BFF's with the former president of the united states.
We should let him decide if aliens are real
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#28419366 - 08/03/23 08:06 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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he is one.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: mushboy]
#28419390 - 08/03/23 08:15 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Haha good one guys!
As clearly demonstrated above with great examples by gww, feevers and mushboy I think we can agree that it is rubbish to suggest that only lawyers can decide what is and what isn't legal/illegal lol, or that lawyers are all sensible, upstanding, law-abiding citizens.
Lawyers can do the craziest, most illegal shit for sure. But who am I to say as a layperson lol.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
#28419398 - 08/03/23 08:18 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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I just find it funny that the hopes and "evidence" of UFO conspiracy theorists all of a sudden are based on the words and actions of lawyers, military/intelligence grunts, and politicians.
If they're the ones telling the truth now, who exactly is doing the coverup....
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
#28419421 - 08/03/23 08:26 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Warrk said:
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Enlil said: So you must presume it's illegal based on a laypersons opinion. Got it.
Daniel Sheehan also says it is illegal and allegedly illegal and he ain't no layperson.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12175195/Crashed-UFO-recovered-military-distorted-space-time.html
He's a known conspiracy nutter, though.
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Enlil said: So you must presume it's illegal based on a laypersons opinion. Got it.
Daniel Sheehan also says it is illegal and allegedly illegal and he ain't no layperson.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12175195/Crashed-UFO-recovered-military-distorted-space-time.html
He's a known conspiracy nutter, though.
That may or may not be the case. What is true is that he is a lawyer, that's the point that is important no?
We could also dismiss you as a nobody Enlil since you're known as a drug user. See how this works?
Being a lawyer doesn't mean he knows the law. It certainly doesn't make his opinion true. Him being a conspiracy nutter, however, does mean that his opinion is likely colored by imaginary government wrongdoing.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: feevers]
#28419428 - 08/03/23 08:29 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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feevers said: I just find it funny that the hopes and "evidence" of UFO conspiracy theorists all of a sudden are based on the words and actions of lawyers, military/intelligence grunts, and politicians.
If they're the ones telling the truth now, who exactly is doing the coverup....
See my initial post that spurred the flurry of responses in the last few hours:
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Warrk said: There is either a conspiracy to deceive the public into believing that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth. Or there is a conspiracy to cover up the fact that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth.
Whatever the case may be, there is a conspiracy afoot and boy would it be interesting to get to the bottom of this!
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
#28419438 - 08/03/23 08:37 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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feevers said: I just find it funny that the hopes and "evidence" of UFO conspiracy theorists all of a sudden are based on the words and actions of lawyers, military/intelligence grunts, and politicians.
If they're the ones telling the truth now, who exactly is doing the coverup....
See my initial post that spurred the flurry of responses in the last few hours:
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Warrk said: There is either a conspiracy to deceive the public into believing that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth. Or there is a conspiracy to cover up the fact that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth.
Whatever the case may be, there is a conspiracy afoot and boy would it be interesting to get to the bottom of this!
I think you have whistleblowers who were either misled, are mentally ill, or have ulterior motives. Then you have congresspeople whose lifeblood is people liking them, and being a warrior for the truth on ALIENS gets pretty much everyone on your side.
Who knows though. The only thing I do know is that I haven't seen a shred of compelling evidence, and would bet a substantial amount of my net worth that I never do.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: feevers]
#28419450 - 08/03/23 08:41 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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feevers said: I just find it funny that the hopes and "evidence" of UFO conspiracy theorists all of a sudden are based on the words and actions of lawyers, military/intelligence grunts, and politicians.
If they're the ones telling the truth now, who exactly is doing the coverup....
Thats like saying lets not trust any whistleblowers because they worked for the government..... :/
Thats...Really...Fucking...Dumb
Just becuase someone worked for the military, whether in an intelligence position or not, obviously doesn't mean they are by default full of shit.
Also sucks that people still even use the term 'conspiracy theorist' since this was a term coined by the CIA after the Kennedy assassination to pour shit on anyone who questioned the offical narrative.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: feevers]
#28419464 - 08/03/23 08:46 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Anyone who says "I WANT TO SEE ALIENS NOW OR ELSE ITS ALL BULLSHIT" is obviously not a very rational or intelligent person in my book. What, do you honestly think if their is a coverup that the government is just gonna roll out the craft or bodies to satisfy your need for instant hard evidence?
No one is saying that we have all the facts or all the proof dude!
To be dumbfoundedly dead to curiosity on this subject given current events is just sad IMO.
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thetruthsohelp said: Thats just like, your opinion man.....
An arrogant one at that.
That opinion is well within reason.
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#28419477 - 08/03/23 08:49 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Enlil said: The CIA didn't even exist when the term conspiracy theory came about.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-conspiracy-theory-jfk-941578119864
OK fine, it wasnt 'coined' then, but it was 'popularized' for certain during that time.
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Also sucks that people still even use the term 'conspiracy theorist'.
it also sucks people still even use google earth it was a cia funded start up
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28419484 - 08/03/23 08:50 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Enlil said: The CIA didn't even exist when the term conspiracy theory came about.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-conspiracy-theory-jfk-941578119864
People think that the CIA is the reason that conspiracy theorists get a bad rep. It's not. It's when they actually push the fairy tales as if it's proof. Conspiracy theorists are just religious nuts without the dogma of religion.
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kinda like when dudes act like assholes and think its only wokism/feminism that has led to girls rejecting them. nope its just being an asshole
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: mushboy]
#28419509 - 08/03/23 08:55 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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If you think that everyone around you is an asshole....surprise!you're the asshole!
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Thats like saying lets not trust any whistleblowers because they worked for the government..... :/
You don't trust them because they are insinuating, not that stuff is out there they can not quantify but that it is alien and doing so using bait and switch like it is the truth. Things like I talked to a guy or they tested not human tissue (which by the way is any tissue not from a human). They make their selves not credible. Nobody has to use position or anything else but just common sense put to what they say. Yawn... Cheers gww
Ps, you being proud you got so many comments would embarrass me if I got that many comments pushing funny stuff.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: gww]
#28419581 - 08/03/23 09:17 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: If you think that everyone around you is an asshole....surprise!you're the asshole!
im pretty sure im an asshole and i dont think everyone around me is an asshole.
im also pretty sure that enlil wants people to prove that legal advice came from a lawer, which is odd
since there is zero proof enlil is a lawyer, only pure faith and trust on the part of the people who believe he is.
so in this thread he has regected opinion of people who are not lawyers.
rejected the opinion of known lawyers.
and not given any evidence he is a lawyer, but expects everyone to believe his advice and council AS a lawyer.
all this he does to steer the conversation away from the facts of the case, congress people held a meeting to find out secret information on AUP programs in the government.
pretty neat.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28420160 - 08/04/23 07:51 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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Rent free, kid.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28420163 - 08/04/23 07:54 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Rent free, kid.
sure, until you stop you can live there im good with it 
when you stop being a bully and a pest i will stop.
when you actually participate in convos i like you just fine.
i dont like you bullying members and derailing conversations left and right.
these last two posts are off topic, you went off topic and i followed you. making it your fault these two posts are off topic.
i think we should get back on topic.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28420165 - 08/04/23 07:55 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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If they stuck to money, it might have been legitimate but going in to the weeds with unfounded alien insinuation (which seemed to be the point of witness) is counter productive if agenda is money and oversight. Because now I am not sure what their agenda was on having a hearing. Cheers
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28420168 - 08/04/23 07:56 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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The topic is a few members of congress looking into potentially illegal activity. So far, no evidence has been presented that the alleged activity is illegal.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: gww]
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gww said: If they stuck to money, it might have been legitimate but going in to the weeds with unfounded alien insinuation (which seemed to be the point of witness) is counter productive if agenda is money and oversight. Cheers
i agree they should not be spending our money on secret programs about aliens, unless they exist.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: The topic is a few members of congress looking into potentially illegal activity. So far, no evidence has been presented that the alleged activity is illegal.
well we arent priviledged enough to follow the money. so maybe these congress people will. because i said above, no one should be spending our money on alien programs if aliens dont exist.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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If the agenda is to tear down institutions, they need proof not just want. Cheers gww
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28420181 - 08/04/23 08:02 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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How does one know they don't exist until one spends money to research that?
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28420190 - 08/04/23 08:06 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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better stop spending money on anything religious.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28420195 - 08/04/23 08:12 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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mushboy said: better stop spending money on anything religious.
i agree.
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Enlil said: How does one know they don't exist until one spends money to research that?
if thats what the money is for, then i agree and think it should be a line item open budget item. x ammount of dollars were spent this year to find out if aliens exist.
thats fine, but thats not whats happening.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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It's not that simple, though. A dot on a radar screen that can't be identified is something that should be looked into. That's a legitimate government function. At the point of seeing the dot, there's no way to know whether it's a new technology, alien technology, or an error by some wannabee coder who thinks he's hot shit but spends his time on drug fora all day. There's no way to know that until money is spent looking into it. We can't have a line-item for every possibility, and our defense and intelligence apparatus are there to face ever-changing threats. Congress can't keep up with that. Also, Congress shouldn't have access to every detail because that's a security risk, too.
These four members of congress are just fishing and allowing insinuations of wrongdoing to get into the public record without any context nor any actual indication that anything illegal has occurred. That's what makes this nothing more than political theatre.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: It's not that simple, though. A dot on a radar screen that can't be identified is something that should be looked into. That's a legitimate government function. At the point of seeing the dot, there's no way to know whether it's a new technology, alien technology, or an error by some wannabee coder who thinks he's hot shit but spends his time on drug fora all day. There's no way to know that until money is spent looking into it. We can't have a line-item for every possibility, and our defense and intelligence apparatus are there to face ever-changing threats. Congress can't keep up with that. Also, Congress shouldn't have access to every detail because that's a security risk, too.
These four members of congress are just fishing and allowing insinuations of wrongdoing to get into the public record without any context nor any actual indication that anything illegal has occurred. That's what makes this nothing more than political theatre.
young man, we most certainly CAN have a line item that covers that sort of situation openly and plainly... stfu you are edit: flame removed here... there no reason you cant think of a sentence or two that describes that behavior and budget for it... what edit: flame removed
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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We're going to have a line item for ever conceivable phenomenon? nah.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: We're going to have a line item for ever conceivable phenomenon? nah.
stop pretending there is nothing we can do to reasonably deal with this kind of phenomena. its a stuffy man. empty target.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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I didn't say that. I said a line item isn't going to work. You're the one building a strawman. What if we budget 100k to green men, but one year, there are no green men and another there are 1000? What do we do? We gotta stop addressing the green men because we're out of money until the next fiscal year.
Defense budgets need to have enough flexibility to adjust to threats in real time.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: I didn't say that. I said a line item isn't going to work. You're the one building a strawman. What if we budget 100k to green men, but one year, there are no green men and another there are 1000? What do we do? We gotta stop addressing the green men because we're out of money until the next fiscal year.
Defense budgets need to have enough flexibility to adjust to threats in real time.
everyone can see you are full of it. there is DEFINATELY ways we can cover this on line items and some people are actually working on that right now. imo its part of what there meetings were about and its certainly something shumer has worked on in the past.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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It CAN be done. It's a bad idea and would lead to less security, but it can be done. Congress could also abolish the fed, go back to the gold standard, and declare war on Iceland. Just because something could be done doesn't make it a good idea.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Until the threat of violence is no longer paramount to utilize authority, our defense budget will remain ever expanding and can never truly be fiscally accounted for in the traditional sense. In other words, the situation can't be handled by a line or audit.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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"Alright guys, cease fire. The line item for ammo on this particular operation has been expended. It's time to raise the white flag."
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Invade Denmark rather than Iceland, then we get Greenland. Trump wanted to pay them for it; what a pussy. Soon we'll have more territory than the Soviet Union (I meant to say Russia).
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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Sulfurshelfsean said: If you think that everyone around you is an asshole....surprise!you're the asshole!
im pretty sure im an asshole and i dont think everyone around me is an asshole.
im also pretty sure that enlil wants people to prove that legal advice came from a lawer, which is odd
since there is zero proof enlil is a lawyer, only pure faith and trust on the part of the people who believe he is.
so in this thread he has regected opinion of people who are not lawyers.
rejected the opinion of known lawyers.
and not given any evidence he is a lawyer, but expects everyone to believe his advice and council AS a lawyer.
all this he does to steer the conversation away from the facts of the case, congress people held a meeting to find out secret information on AUP programs in the government.
pretty neat.
Not every asshole is going to feel that way, but if that is how you feel, it is usually the case.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: feevers]
#28421593 - 08/05/23 09:11 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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feevers said: I just find it funny that the hopes and "evidence" of UFO conspiracy theorists all of a sudden are based on the words and actions of lawyers, military/intelligence grunts, and politicians.
If they're the ones telling the truth now, who exactly is doing the coverup....
See my initial post that spurred the flurry of responses in the last few hours:
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Warrk said: There is either a conspiracy to deceive the public into believing that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth. Or there is a conspiracy to cover up the fact that non-human intelligences and their exotic vehicles have visited Earth.
Whatever the case may be, there is a conspiracy afoot and boy would it be interesting to get to the bottom of this!
I think you have whistleblowers who were either misled, are mentally ill, or have ulterior motives. Then you have congresspeople whose lifeblood is people liking them, and being a warrior for the truth on ALIENS gets pretty much everyone on your side.
Who knows though. The only thing I do know is that I haven't seen a shred of compelling evidence, and would bet a substantial amount of my net worth that I never do.
This seems like a level-headed, sensible and safe thing to say feevers.
The thing though is that in the history of whistleblower cases how many can we think of where all the whistleblowers were misled or mentally ill and where they all were found to be lying/deluded? Ulterior motives are hard to brush away and usually in the case of whistleblowers there is a sense of injustice, hence their impetus to come forward to spill the beans. Or they might be motivated to make money from their new found notoriety, but they would have to be telling the truth to be able to cash in on book deals and speaking engagements.
I just don't know what to think of all this. Part of the problem is that we do not have all the data in front of us in order to make an assessment of the subject matter. The whistleblowers supposedly have information we do not have, whether that information ever becomes public remains to be seen.
It might all end up as a big fat nothing.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
#28421599 - 08/05/23 09:15 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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The thing though is that in the history of whistleblower cases how many can we think of where all the whistleblowers were misled or mentally ill and where they all were found to be lying/deluded?
The majority of the time, "whistleblowers" are found to be lying or just wrong. Humans have a strong impulse to want to be heroes. That impulse can and does often lead to people looking for a wrong to right, even when there isn't one.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil] 1
#28421711 - 08/05/23 11:13 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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The thing though is that in the history of whistleblower cases how many can we think of where all the whistleblowers were misled or mentally ill and where they all were found to be lying/deluded?
The majority of the time, "whistleblowers" are found to be lying or just wrong. Humans have a strong impulse to want to be heroes. That impulse can and does often lead to people looking for a wrong to right, even when there isn't one.
got stats or pulling things out of your butt?
my guess is ... butt.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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Neither, really. All I have is my personal experience getting about 20-30 calls a week from people who fancy themselves whistleblowers, when in reality, they are either nutters or simply have some personal issue.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Neither, really. All I have is my personal experience getting about 20-30 calls a week from people who fancy themselves whistleblowers, when in reality, they are either nutters or simply have some personal issue.
so just useless unverifiable nothing. k.
you know at BEST we have an anecdote ... but really we have the world of some guy online.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28421717 - 08/05/23 11:22 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Absolutely. Not strictly out of my butt, but certainly enough for me to make the claim. I've seen no statistics either way, but with the number of false whistleblowers I've encountered alone, I can confidently say that a good number of whistleblowers are just bullshit.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28421727 - 08/05/23 11:32 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Absolutely. Not strictly out of my butt, but certainly enough for me to make the claim. I've seen no statistics either way, but with the number of false whistleblowers I've encountered alone, I can confidently say that a good number of whistleblowers are just bullshit.
to make the claim we would have to have some proof that you got the calls
that the calls were what you claimed.
etc etc.
we have no way to verify what you are saying its anecdotal at best because IF we believed you, and we dont, but if we did it would be selection bias. and so its completely unusuable data.
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#28421728 - 08/05/23 11:34 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Warrk said: ... Or they might be motivated to make money from their new found notoriety, but they would have to be telling the truth to be able to cash in on book deals and speaking engagements.
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Unfortunately not true. People make money every day shilling for all sorts of nonsense.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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Enlil said: Absolutely. Not strictly out of my butt, but certainly enough for me to make the claim. I've seen no statistics either way, but with the number of false whistleblowers I've encountered alone, I can confidently say that a good number of whistleblowers are just bullshit.
to make the claim we would have to have some proof that you got the calls
that the calls were what you claimed.
etc etc.
we have no way to verify what you are saying its anecdotal at best because IF we believed you, and we dont, but if we did it would be selection bias. and so its completely unusuable data.
I don't know who we is, but I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You've made it clear that you intend to shit on anything i say because it serves your chronic butthurt about some imaginary slight from a decade ago.
I'm merely offering my experience with whistleblowers for anyone who gives a shit.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Lynnch]
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Unfortunately not true. People make money every day shilling for all sorts of nonsense.
Wait...are you telling me that Alex Jones' boner cream doesn't work?
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Alex Jones...
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Lynnch]
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'These' kinds of things...
Sometimes it's simpler & easier selling a big fat lie, covering 'it' up, and then using the acts of others' denial about it's validity/legitimacy as somehow obfuscating the truth - while calling in others with questionable -yet- associatively related experiences - which, is what's being questioned in the very first place ~ as lending credence to it all.
Which can then in turn start to 'all add up' ~ at least ~ in the minds of men - thus, acting as a highly deceptive sort of means to evoke a subliminal sort of self-deception that then helps to fuel & sell any version of the 'Real Truthtm' of whatever, and in whichever way that's most compelling to the audience in question, making it all seem like a magician's trick: partially the result of pure happenstance, while tacking on people's natural ignorance, proclivity towards delusion, and unfamiliarity with illusion, & partly that of human cleverness/resourcefulness/ingenuity.
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I don't even think the whistle blowers are that important though they did not help themselves. What is important is why somebody invited or held a hearing for them? You can get somebody to say anything. There is a reason the congress gave them a hearing. It was some members of congress with the agenda. Was it to destroy another institution? Was it a distraction from something? Was it individual ambition to get spotlight? Was it nosy to find a weapon we don't want known? Was it to worry russia that we might have something they don't know about. Was it really about money oversite, though I personally doubt this one cause they concentrated too much on aliens? These congressmen are stirring crap for a reason. So far my take of effect on the web, it looks to me like it was just to add more distrust in government and the democrats that participated make me wonder what side they are on or what they got out of it. Cheers gww
PS It could be as simple as those on the committee wanting to make the committee more important.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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I don't know who we is, but I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You've made it clear that you intend to shit on anything i say because it serves your chronic butthurt about some imaginary slight from a decade ago.
I'm merely offering my experience with whistleblowers for anyone who gives a shit.
oh not at all, i intend to call you out on your bullshit as you bully and use your mod powers to silence people who do the same things you do. while you do them.
when you are just participating in conversation i mean you no harm, but you made a statement that you cant back up.
so back it up or admit that you are full of crap and move on. i dont think you CAN back it up. obviously you dont either or you would.
dont cry and act like everything i say to you is mean, im only mean when you are, im just better at mean than you are and i dont even have the ban hammer... nor do i seek it. on equal playing fields you stand no chance at all.
meantime, put up or shutup... if most whistle blowers are fakes and liars demonstrate this with facts... or yield like a noble, anything less makes you a coward. your choice.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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I see.. you think YOU are a whistleblower. Keep tilting those windmills, bro. Your mother will be so proud.
I didn't make anything up. Accept or reject it at your discretion. Others here can and will do the same.
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#28421834 - 08/05/23 12:43 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Enlil said: I see.. you think YOU are a whistleblower. Keep tilting those windmills, bro.
I didn't make anything up. Accept or reject it at your discretion. Others here can and will do the same.
so you choose to deflect instead of backing up your statement. so we can just assume your statement is garbage. noted.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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You and anyone else can assume whatever you want. My feelings, insofar as i have them, won't be hurt.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: gww]
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Good points.
Plus, if there really was or wasn't with regard to the alleged 'hitek football field-sized red-colored unidentified flying craft' of sorts - hoovering loomingly for nearly a full 30 seconds or w/e right there in the clear skies as occurring right when a mass gathering of Boeing's people doing whatever the fuck - then there should be corresponding satellite imagery of that vehicle/uap/ufo from said time & place, right?
Coordinates are there, time & date there, now just to go over the footage and truly see if there's even a scoop to be gotten or not.
Imho&e...
If said footage existed, then it's that simple, it does or it doesn't, so - if it does - present it at this little live hearing thing for all the world to see for themselves. Doing so would've been infinitely more credible than just about anything and everything else ever talked about or presented on the subject matter at hand...rather than merely 'talking' about it.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: You and anyone else can assume whatever you want. My feelings, insofar as i have them, won't be hurt.
we can but you didnt make a statement of opinion. you stated a material fact that could be proven true or false.
you asked us to BELIEVE it based on a false appeal to authority.
all im asking as i would of anyone else is that you show recipts.
can you or not?
if in fact your source is phone calls you receive that isnt valid as it doesnt show overall whistle-blowers and their truth at all, it only shows your opinions of the ones who call you, which is worthless info.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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This all seems like an arms/ tech race to me. Sometype of compartilzed information and disinformation weaving it's way through both secret and public bureaucratic channels. Reminds me of the beginning rumblings of SDI in the 80s.
Disclosure will most likely be a bloated fiscal expression to the public. Until the evidence of actual cow loving, ass probers surface; completely unmoved by any of the developments.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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The Blind Ass said: Good points.
Plus, if there really was or wasn't with regard to the alleged 'hitek football-sized red-colored unidentified flying craft' of sorts - hoovering loomingly for nearly a full 30 seconds or w/e right there in the clear skies as occurring right when a mass gathering of Boeing's people doing whatever the fuck - then there should be corresponding satellite imagery of that vehicle/uap/ufo from said time & place, right?
Coordinates are there, time & date there, now just to go over the footage and truly see if there's even a scoop to be gotten or not.
Imho&e...
If said footage existed, then it's that simple, it does or it doesn't, so - if it does - present it at this little live hearing thing for all the world to see for themselves. Doing so would've been infinitely more credible than just about anything and everything else ever talked about or presented on the subject matter at hand...rather than merely 'talking' about it. 
radar has alot of limitations. its not tracking things in your backyard, it doesnt know when you throw a frisbee. it COULD if it were setup for that, but to catch generally what its trying to catch that wouldnt be useful and would likely be against the 4th amendment .
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: You and anyone else can assume whatever you want. My feelings, insofar as i have them, won't be hurt.
just asking you to do what you ask of others. seems fair to everyone but you babydoll.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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Enlil said: You and anyone else can assume whatever you want. My feelings, insofar as i have them, won't be hurt.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
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Who said anything about Radar?
The things allegedly hoovering in US airspace for half a minute, is RED, and - the cube/rectangle the size of friggin football field - FFS. 
Countless satellite's & other equipment, passive & active, would have captured it, had it truly occured as such. Hell, to boot - nearly everyone and their mothers all have smartphones nowadays, so...
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Never seen a fetish for a Mod so strong. Altars with candlewax,yikes.
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That's different... you originally said the size of a football
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You knew what I meant. fyi: i went back and fixed it. 
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SirTripAlot said: This all seems like an arms/ tech race to me. Sometype of compartilzed information and disinformation weaving it's way through both secret and public bureaucratic channels. Reminds me of the beginning rumblings of SDI in the 80s.
Disclosure will most likely be a bloated fiscal expression to the public. Until the evidence of actual cow loving, ass probers surface; completely unmoved by any of the developments.
yeah i was looking at this new peice of kit yesterday thats like a pineapple on steroids (if you know what that is in techspeak)...
and someone said a line from sneakers...what would governments pay to have this, and i was like, ¨oh they definitely DO... i mean you showed me a picture and told me what it did and i told you exactly how to build it before you told me the build specs".. point being even the government hides things from the government... its crazy and what some people in the public know not everyone in the public knows and not everyone in governement knows... so somethings that are just open secrets look like conspiracies...and some conspiracies look like open secrets.
but it would be good if we reined in the waste that is associated with all the layers of secrets.
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I didn't. I assumed you said what you meant.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28421863 - 08/05/23 01:01 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Never seen a fetish for a Mod so strong. Altars with candlewax,yikes.
i just asked him for a recipt the rest is all squirmin like a worm to not produce any
which is
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The Blind Ass said: Who said anything about Radar?
The things allegedly hoovering in US airspace for half a minute, is RED, and - the cube/rectangle the size of friggin football field - FFS. 
Countless satellite's & other equipment, passive & active, would have captured it, had it truly occured as such. Hell, to boot - nearly everyone and their mothers all have smartphones nowadays, so...
ah... football field.... thats dif.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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My bad. 
I stand corrected and have since corrected myself & the corresponding post.
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I was thinking you were going Alex Jones on us talking like the government can see a football from space in archived photos.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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an acre large red glowing craft seems notable, idunno what the official story is on it.
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#28421869 - 08/05/23 01:07 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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What's even more notable is that in 30 seconds of it hovering, no one thought to snap a photo. Less notable, but still odd, is that Boeing doesn't have security cameras that would at least show a huge fucking shadow over a crowd and everyone looking up.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: What's even more notable is that in 30 seconds of it hovering, no one thought to snap a photo. Less notable, but still odd, is that Boeing doesn't have security cameras that would at least show a huge fucking shadow over a crowd and everyone looking up.
that does seem odd.
(this is me agreeing with you and not picking at you when you are just participating in a conversation, keep up the good work this is what it looks like)
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28421884 - 08/05/23 01:25 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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rxb said: an acre large red glowing craft seems notable, idunno what the official story is on it.
Wait wait wait, what? Is this something that was actually said in the hearing? wtf? Are we sure these dudes weren't test subjects for some government psychedelic?
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: rxb]
#28421889 - 08/05/23 01:29 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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(this is me agreeing with you and not picking at you when you are just participating in a conversation, keep up the good work this is what it looks like)
I can't wait to tell my journal!
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
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(this is me agreeing with you and not picking at you when you are just participating in a conversation, keep up the good work this is what it looks like)
I can't wait to tell my journal!
goodboy!
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil] 1
#28422172 - 08/05/23 06:19 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Absolutely. Not strictly out of my butt, but certainly enough for me to make the claim. I've seen no statistics either way, but with the number of false whistleblowers I've encountered alone, I can confidently say that a good number of whistleblowers are just bullshit.
You have to be careful how you make claims like that. A good number is different to a majority. This is a common mistake when people use words like often, sometimes, always, inevitably, most, all, frequently, some, none etc.
Personally I can't think of any false whistleblower claims. There have been many whistleblower cases in the news cycle recently here in Australia including war crimes, corporate malfeasance, and sexual harassment in the workplace and all the ones I have heard have been shown to be true.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
#28422283 - 08/05/23 08:09 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Whistle blower and conspiracy theories usually throw in enough truth for those willing to spread them to come back to when confronted with the untrue stuff. Some hearings are more truthful then others depending on the agenda and what actual facts come out and if you get past the surface with considerate thought, it is not really that hard to see which is using the most smoke and mirrors. The jan 6 committee did pretty good cause they used testimony from those with in and not pure antaganist. Cheers gww
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
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Enlil said: Absolutely. Not strictly out of my butt, but certainly enough for me to make the claim. I've seen no statistics either way, but with the number of false whistleblowers I've encountered alone, I can confidently say that a good number of whistleblowers are just bullshit.
You have to be careful how you make claims like that. A good number is different to a majority. This is a common mistake when people use words like often, sometimes, always, inevitably, most, all, frequently, some, none etc.
Personally I can't think of any false whistleblower claims. There have been many whistleblower cases in the news cycle recently here in Australia including war crimes, corporate malfeasance, and sexual harassment in the workplace and all the ones I have heard have been shown to be true.
For every case, there's probably dozens that never get filed because they're bullshit.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Enlil]
#28422666 - 08/06/23 02:20 AM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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It could well be like that Enlil. And using that logic, one would think those that are filed are those that are the most credible. So this makes the UFO Congressional Hearings all the more interesting. Could also turn out to be all bullshit too but to have reached this stage is really quite unprecedented if the claims being made are totally unfounded with zero evidence to back them up.
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Re: UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: Warrk]
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t could well be like that Enlil. And using that logic, one would think those that are filed are those that are the most credible. So this makes the UFO Congressional Hearings all the more interesting. Could also turn out to be all bullshit too but to have reached this stage is really quite unprecedented if the claims being made are totally unfounded with zero evidence to back them up.
It did not just pop up. The news started hyping the subject 6 months plus before they decide to even hold a hearing. Now it come down to a which come first question of the chicken or the egg. It could be a simple as congress men jumping on something because somebody did start reporting it over several networks before that. Could have been a story that filled a slow news day that caught on. Somebody had some agenda besides just the subject matter. Cause the subject matter is the same old rehash where the aliens are concerned with nothing really new added over a half of century. Maybe a few more fuzzy pictures. Might have had a different outcome if the news had rethatched a fuzzy dog story instead to fill their 24 hour cycle. Cheers
Ps Makes me wonder if somebody isn't about to release a block buster movie on the subject in the next year.
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Re: No one is gonna talk about the UFO Hearing in Congress? [Re: thetruthsohelp]
#28425059 - 08/07/23 09:52 PM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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ufo, alien..u all made it up in ur mind..thoughts create reality
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