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deucedbi9
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Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for...
#28403776 - 07/22/23 11:00 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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...from the mod that deleted or banned us. Just so we can have some record of what was said in the case that we might want to appeal against such infraction.
I'm pretty sure most of the infractions I have incurred here were either innocent or misinterpreted, or understandable responses given the nature of some of the accusatory posts against me.
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: deucedbi9]
#28403797 - 07/22/23 11:39 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah that's against the rules. Not sure if they can do that. I asked a mod / Big cheese to bring back rare photos of wild mushrooms found. Deleted in the first place because of a friend threatening to get me arrested. Goodluck with this and the moderators.
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: AlmaDelita] 2
#28403819 - 07/22/23 12:05 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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If you are referring to what I think you're referring to normally you would get a reference to the post but because the system is very clunky when doing a multipost purge it can be easy to mess it up and it makes the system give a reference to the deletion, not the original post.
It is rare that we have to do this. It's not really what that function was made for. But a perfectly acceptable use of the function. Again it's just difficult to do cleanly and clearly.
I would encourage you to reach out to the mod who gave you the infraction and respectfully explain your side of things. They may or may not reconsider.
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#28403896 - 07/22/23 01:23 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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I'm assuming this is about my deletes in Asante's goodbye thread.
For posts where you get a warning or a ban, there is typically a record of what was said and you're free to question or appeal it.
I didn't ban or warn anyone in Asante's thread, I gave everyone the benefit of the doubt that the departure of a 20+ year member and admin may have had emotions running a little higher than usual, and just deleted the posts while telling people not to flame in the pub or make the thread about politics. No one got any infractions for it.
Anyone is free to respond to the deleted post notification PM from me or post in the Moderator Issues and Complaints forum if they're wondering why their posts were deleted. I don't think I've ever had to do a mass-scale thread cleanup so I wasn't aware that the delete function would only send a notification of what I wrote and not the post itself. I'll look into if there's a way to easily archive/reference the content of a post that gets deleted as I think that's a reasonable request though.
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: deucedbi9] 1
#28404096 - 07/22/23 03:32 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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I looked over every ban in your history. Every single one of them was for a clear violation. You appear to have a hard time controlling yourself, bro.
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deucedbi9
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: Enlil]
#28404237 - 07/22/23 05:43 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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Enlil said: I looked over every ban in your history. Every single one of them was for a clear violation. You appear to have a hard time controlling yourself, bro.
What total bullshit.
The handful of deleted posts or bans I have received in nearly two decades have been for bullshit reasons. One that grates was being accused of racism by 'kid orgo'? because I didn't put "" around the word 'nigger' when, if the post in question was available to me, I could have seen the problem and edited the post to appease American sensibilities.
If you have the context of that discussion and my response, please post it or... 
This would be like accusing Dylan of racism for using the word 'nigger' in the song Hurricane.
goto 3:53
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Edited by deucedbi9 (07/22/23 06:10 PM)
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: deucedbi9]
#28404255 - 07/22/23 05:59 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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Kid orgo never gave you an infraction for anything to do with the n word.
It was over 12 years ago now, so I'll let your past self explain why you received a simple warning for racism-
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deucedbi9 said:
I recently had a post deleted, and recieved an infraction, from "Kid_Orgo" for refering to Spaniards,Portugeuse and Italians as "spicks wops or dagoe's" and infering that, had they been the colonisers of the northern continent of America, the USA would be in a worse position than they are now.
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deucedbi9
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: feevers]
#28404280 - 07/22/23 06:25 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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feevers said: Kid orgo never gave you an infraction for anything to do with the n word.
It was over 12 years ago now, so I'll let your past self explain why you received a simple warning for racism-
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deucedbi9 said:
I recently had a post deleted, and recieved an infraction, from "Kid_Orgo" for refering to Spaniards,Portugeuse and Italians as "spicks wops or dagoe's" and infering that, had they been the colonisers of the northern continent of America, the USA would be in a worse position than they are now.
Oh, I see. And yet the phrase "spicks wops or dagoe's" was put in " ", so I fail to see any reason for a ban or deletion as "spicks wops or dagoes'" are not races and are no more racist than an Australian calling an Englishman A 'pommy bastard' which I am pretty sure I have seen posted here without censure.
And I stick to the view that had any of those countries, (edit, from which the "spicks wops or dagoe's" came from) had become the dominant culture of N. America the place would be far worse than it is now, which, let's face it, is bad enough already.
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#28405120 - 07/23/23 09:56 AM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: If you are referring to what I think you're referring to normally you would get a reference to the post but because the system is very clunky when doing a multipost purge it can be easy to mess it up and it makes the system give a reference to the deletion, not the original post.
It is rare that we have to do this. It's not really what that function was made for. But a perfectly acceptable use of the function. Again it's just difficult to do cleanly and clearly.
I would encourage you to reach out to the mod who gave you the infraction and respectfully explain your side of things. They may or may not reconsider.
Hi cookie. Sorry to hear of the clunkiness of the deleting / banning process.
Is it too "clunky" to just copy the offending post and paste into the "This is just a courtesy notice that your post..." that mods pm us? I know you are unpaid volunteers an all, but really, how are we supposed to appeal against a ban or a deletion if, given the nature of the site, members may have been 'under the influence' at the time of posting, if we don't know wtf we were banned, or had posts deleted for? 
Edit I see that the thread in which all these 'offensive comments' were made has since been deleted. A most unusual occurrence.

Hey. Asante.
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Edited by deucedbi9 (07/23/23 04:24 PM)
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: deucedbi9]
#28405127 - 07/23/23 10:02 AM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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We don't send those PMs. We delete a post and enter a reason. The PM is auto-generated. The same is true when we issue an infraction. That PM is also auto-generated. Truthfully, until very recently, I thought the PM did include the text of the post.
Ythan might change it in response to this thread, but it hasn't really been a big issue, so it's probably not high on his priorities.
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: Enlil]
#28405307 - 07/23/23 02:32 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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Unless the post is edited/deleted prior to an infraction being issued, a copy is saved internally, but it is only viewable by staff.
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larry.fisherman
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: deucedbi9]
#28406020 - 07/24/23 07:24 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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Accusatory posts against you aren't accusatory, they're in regard to factual statements provided by yourself OP. So when someone uses that statement against you it's not actually an insult, it's just honesty whether you or the mod whining about it feels some way about it or not. Lmfao. It's no one's fault but your own the statements made about using child porn and how you'd sleep with a little kid if the opportunity arose. Those are things you said OP.
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Re: Could we at least see the deleted posts which we were given bans for... [Re: larry.fisherman]
#28408935 - 07/26/23 09:00 AM (6 months, 6 hours ago) |
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Appeals lol this isn't court
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