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So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms?
    #28408913 - 07/26/23 08:32 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

We know of the few studies that exist. But other than that, it's mostly bots on social media who brag about curing their depression, addiction and what not with psychedelics.

I would be interested in hearing from someone who was severly depressed and recovered completely thanks to psychedelics.

Anyone?


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts] * 2
    #28408929 - 07/26/23 08:52 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

I did. And I didn't.

I did.

In 2016 when I went to Burning Man I was suicidal and was going to end my life after the festival.

But divine providence would not have it so. I met a guide there who took us through a ritual and then administered 3.5g of mushrooms to us on a Wednesday night (this would be my first psychedelic trip).

I wrote up the whole story here on the boards. (https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26826710)

And it changed my life around for a few years thereafter. I was no longer suicidal, I felt a sense of love and completeness, and I accomplished much for a few years thereafter without ever going back to that dark place.

And I didn't.

But it didn't last forever. Today I'm in a darker place where I was before that first experience. And I've been tripping for a while. And some trips helped extend that positivity in my life while others confused and destabilized me (like my most recent trips).


What I learned is that mushrooms are not CURES. The ability to see from a different perspective is extraordinarily valuable but it's just as easy to resist what you are shown and end up worse off than before.

Just like during the experience, a significant amount of surrender in life is important. Mushrooms can teach us how to surrender but, if used improperly, can also make us resist that much more.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 5
    #28408947 - 07/26/23 09:16 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Shrooms can help you see in new ways, and depression is largely a perspective/inner-narrative/perceptual problem.

Learn about why your depressed, what makes you happy, what is fulfilling, what is antithetical to your values, what empowers your life, what do you want in your life, and what is best for you and the people you fundamentally care about.

Try to be honest, critical, open but cautious, and free to think out new ideas and ways of consideration.

People will say depression is a chemical imbalance, and it’s like a determined condition, while that could be said to be true, it’s also true you can effect your internal chemical nature by thought and belief. For example, if you start telling yourself life is terrible and hopeless, it will begin to look that way and you’ll feel that way over time. The opposite is also true.  Belief is a powerful thing.

I would suggest looking objectively at the narrative you find yourself hearing and telling yourself about life, existence, and your relation to it.

Depressive thinking and feeling depressed can be a bummer but it can also be grounding and be a fertile place for insights and revelations.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Harri] * 1
    #28409060 - 07/26/23 12:01 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

They didnt simply cure my depression but they showed me a better way to live. Which then "cured my depression". I still occasionally slip into unhealthy ways of living and it comes back. Need to always stay viligant.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts]
    #28409112 - 07/26/23 01:12 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

hey man, great thread, welcome to the shroomery :shroomeryhead:

of course mushrooms have helped me with depression & my alcoholism

it ain't easy work though, because in order to heal these states of the mind/vices, I went through a bit of hell during my trips in which I had face my inner demons, in my case, my abuse of alcohol for many years

while tripping, it hurts to recognize the everyday things you take for granted like your health/life, the love you maybe receive from friends/family; you might even learn a thing or two about having respect for yourself and others

all the while you feel the most vulnerable you've ever felt in your life, you might cry like a child - if you're the type of person that doesn't normally cry at all while sober or keeps that shit bottled up inside (I am/was)

As mentioned before, these teachings/learnings can last a couple of days, weeks, even months. It depends how you decide to work through these new found feelings afterwards & if your willing & have the humility to better your life for your own sake,

Hope this helps, have a good day and take care


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Double] * 1
    #28409874 - 07/27/23 04:43 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

Possibly...

Bipolar 2 since I was 21 (40 years), involuntary spells in 'hospital', during both depressive and manic episodes.  Long term meds including mood stabilisers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Started microdosing at the end of last year and titrating down the anti-depressants and anti-psychotics at the same time.  Since March I've been only on the mood stabilisers (both starting and stopping them carries severe risks) and I've been absolutely fine.

I've also had a couple of psychedelic therapy sessions - I'm not sure they're essential for the shrooms to work their magic, but they do help to bring stuff to the surface and to deal with it.

I say possibly because it'll be a year at least before I can be sure, but if nothing else, they've given me hope.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Janus62]
    #28410090 - 07/27/23 09:26 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

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Possibly...

Bipolar 2 since I was 21 (40 years), involuntary spells in 'hospital', during both depressive and manic episodes.  Long term meds including mood stabilisers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Started microdosing at the end of last year and titrating down the anti-depressants and anti-psychotics at the same time.  Since March I've been only on the mood stabilisers (both starting and stopping them carries severe risks) and I've been absolutely fine.

I've also had a couple of psychedelic therapy sessions - I'm not sure they're essential for the shrooms to work their magic, but they do help to bring stuff to the surface and to deal with it.

I say possibly because it'll be a year at least before I can be sure, but if nothing else, they've given me hope.




If I may ask, in what way do they help manage Bipolar? Do they prevent manic/depressive episodes? Do they stabilize the mood?

While not diagnosed, I have episodes of emotional turbulence that swing between depressive and energetic. While I've never felt manic to the degree of reckless behavior, I seem to have lots of swings from high to low.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28410171 - 07/27/23 10:28 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

Shrooms have not cured my depression, however they have helped me deal with it everday.
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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Janus62]
    #28410354 - 07/27/23 12:44 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

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Just like during the experience, a significant amount of surrender in life is important. Mushrooms can teach us how to surrender but, if used improperly, can also make us resist that much more.




That is an insight I recently had as well. We know that during the trip, you have to surrender and just go with the flow. Don't try to make sense of it while it is happening. I have come to realise it is the same thing. I truly believe that anxiety stems from resistance. You are resisting something in your life. When one surrenders (gives up) there is no anxiety. And that is not an easy thing to do, I can tell from personal experience. But it is something to meditate on. As they say in Fight Club: "losing all hope was freedom".

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Shrooms can help you see in new ways, and depression is largely a perspective/inner-narrative/perceptual problem.





Indeed it is, close to 100 % so. It is not about what happens, but how you interpret what happens. We all have this narrative/story in our heads. I believe depression is the result when we convince ourself that our life has gone wrong and there is no way to fix it. Some times there may be things you can change in your life that will make you feel better. Some times it's more about changing your thoughts. I have found one thing that is a challenge when it comes to working with thoughts is that you can feel like you are betraying yourself when you try to change your thoughts. If you are sad and bitter, then letting go and trying to see the positive things in life may feel like you are somehow letting yourself down by no longer clinging to your negative feelings and thoughts. For me that is especially challenging. Sometimes I don't want to move on. I want to cling to what I have lost and refuse to be happy without it. But truly letting go is a painful and transformative experience that can be necessary at times even if it feels like you have to kill and bury your old concepts and desires.

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They didnt simply cure my depression but they showed me a better way to live. Which then "cured my depression". I still occasionally slip into unhealthy ways of living and it comes back. Need to always stay viligant.




Glad to hear they showed you something better!

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hey man, great thread, welcome to the shroomery :shroomeryhead:

of course mushrooms have helped me with depression & my alcoholism

it ain't easy work though, because in order to heal these states of the mind/vices, I went through a bit of hell during my trips in which I had face my inner demons, in my case, my abuse of alcohol for many years

while tripping, it hurts to recognize the everyday things you take for granted like your health/life, the love you maybe receive from friends/family; you might even learn a thing or two about having respect for yourself and others

all the while you feel the most vulnerable you've ever felt in your life, you might cry like a child - if you're the type of person that doesn't normally cry at all while sober or keeps that shit bottled up inside (I am/was)

As mentioned before, these teachings/learnings can last a couple of days, weeks, even months. It depends how you decide to work through these new found feelings afterwards & if your willing & have the humility to better your life for your own sake,

Hope this helps, have a good day and take care




Thanks. And I agree, it is therapeutic, but we are the ones who have to put in the work.

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Possibly...

Bipolar 2 since I was 21 (40 years), involuntary spells in 'hospital', during both depressive and manic episodes.  Long term meds including mood stabilisers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Started microdosing at the end of last year and titrating down the anti-depressants and anti-psychotics at the same time.  Since March I've been only on the mood stabilisers (both starting and stopping them carries severe risks) and I've been absolutely fine.

I've also had a couple of psychedelic therapy sessions - I'm not sure they're essential for the shrooms to work their magic, but they do help to bring stuff to the surface and to deal with it.

I say possibly because it'll be a year at least before I can be sure, but if nothing else, they've given me hope.




Really happy to hear you are doing well.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts]
    #28410769 - 07/27/23 06:48 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

I had just used mushrooms recreationally in high school. Hadn’t really thought about them in over a decade. I work in healthcare and routinely get random drug tested. Even though they don’t test for psilocybin, I just decided to stop using anything illegal for over a decade.

So I’ve been a paramedic for 15 years. Last year was the first time I really starting feeling burnout, depression, and PTSD from the accumulation of the many horrible things and tragedies I have witnessed over the years. This was followed by severe depression, compassion fatigue, and suicidal ideations.

Last summer a good friend of mine was killed and it almost sent me over the edge. Before he had died, he had ordered some shroom chocolate from somewhere online and given them to another friend for a future trip. Well I decided to eat some with my buddy in his memory.

After tripping, I felt like myself for the first time in several years. I now trip about once every other month or so with that same close friend. I feel amazing now. I feel like psilocybin saved my marriage, my job, even my life, and has made me a better father.

I find it bullshit that if I got caught using the one substance that has worked, I could lose my job and my freedom. It’s an impossible choice.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Brundis116]
    #28419630 - 08/03/23 09:28 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Nah dude I actually developed schizophrenia 😂.  And now I believe that this is all a big government propaganda to get us to wreck our minds.    I'm fine by the way and I love shrooms so much that I found a new species of them.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: luteofolius 2.0] * 1
    #28421892 - 08/05/23 01:31 PM (5 months, 20 days ago)

Run down on my life...dad was great, step dad (I was 5-8) beat me with everything under the sun. Hands, belts, random pieces of lumber, sticks, t-ball stands, threw glass bottles at me, made me kneel on salt, rice, or macaroni on a phone book with my hands and feet crossed behind my back and nose barely touching a wall. If I hit the wall, or my feet touched the ground I got beat. Mom got a divorce, we moved....Way away from step dad and sadly dad, mom was emotionally neglectful, worked a lot and not really present when she was off work, locked herself in her room. When she was present it was drs, pills, etc to try and keep me in check. Dad was great...kind of an asshole but in a funny sarcastic way not an abusive way.

Have they cured me? In a way yes. Not in the sense that I took them and all was well, it was definitely not without self work. They helped me go within and pin point times of my life where anger problems, depression, self confidence issues, and molding took place and the ability to look at them from an outsiders perspective. They also allowed me to process and understand the emotions from all of these events. They gave me the confidence to hold those in my childhood who were physically/mentally abusive accountable and confront them. They allowed me to look at life from others perspectives, like my mom and see how she felt alone and only thinking of her self (She took accountability when I confronted her). They also let me forgive them and see lessons I wouldn't have otherwise seen behind a veil of hatred. I broke free from childhood molds, and now I can see my child self in my daughter and see how she/me looks like from a loving home.

Yes they will help cure you, but not without you putting in the work. Only you can save/destroy yourself. These are but a tool in the healing journey. You don't have to of course, that's free will but don't be surprised when what you project on others is returned.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: cmiller89]
    #28424029 - 08/07/23 09:44 AM (5 months, 18 days ago)

I don't take em anymore but I was taking like .03g a day for migraines & also had depression issues at the time & it definitely helped, not permanent tho...as long as you are microdosing it will help. Our physiology changes tho. I had crazy anxiety & after tailoring my nugs for a year, it seems to have gone away...so I see microdosing more as a daily supliment if you need it...til the day comes when you dont...idk if I'd attribute it to actually fixing anything tho...just may release stuff in your brain that helps cover whatever is causing the problem to begin with.

It may give you the help u need to work on what you have to without that black cloud, like the post above me implied...


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: rizingfire]
    #28424428 - 08/07/23 03:06 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

I take microdoses for a few reasons, bipolar is one of them. I don't find it cures, I find it helps soften my highs and lows.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: cmiller89] * 1
    #28428989 - 08/10/23 07:33 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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They also let me forgive them and see lessons I wouldn't have otherwise seen behind a veil of hatred. I broke free from childhood molds, and now I can see my child self in my daughter and see how she/me looks like from a loving home.

Yes they will help cure you, but not without you putting in the work. Only you can save/destroy yourself. These are but a tool in the healing journey. You don't have to of course, that's free will but don't be surprised when what you project on others is returned.




You're a bigger man than most.  Its incredibly hard to break the cycle and so many fail.  I can't adequately convey how much I respect you for taking the hard road and mking a better life for the next generation.  Choosing forgiveness and turning the other cheek over vengeance, self pity, and toxic hatred after suffering such horrible abuses is something I know I'd be unable to do.

So much respect and thanks for sharing.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts] * 2
    #28429107 - 08/10/23 09:00 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

I did, but the effect was somewhat temporary, lasting about a year from a single dose. Still, I never went back to being as bad as I was, and these days I'm quite happy.

I'd say that psychedelics are much like other treatments for depression, except psychedelics are more effective than the existing treatments, but they're not magical silver bullets. They're just treatments. Like any treatments, they're not 100% and they don't work for everyone and they don't instantly cure everything and they don't last forever.

That's medicine for you. We can treat lots of stuff very effectively in medicine, but there are no magic wands to solve all your problems. Psychedelics are the same. A good treatment, but not a magic wand.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: nooneman]
    #28431324 - 08/12/23 05:27 PM (5 months, 13 days ago)

i can't say they cured anything, although they're one of life's pleasures which make it worth living. i changed a lot, in some aspects for better, since i began using psychedelics, but it's hard to determine to which extent they played a role.

what i believe is that there is immense potential in them, but such a potential is not necessarily accessible and what determines it are too many variables to count, even a person's willingness to get better, their life circumstances, therapeutic methods, goals, etc.

with that in mind, i wouldn't recommend going into them expecting a silver bullet as nooneman said. i don't think it has to be, anyway. the psychedelic experience in itself is enough. it might have positive side effects, which are welcome.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Mercury17] * 2
    #28434596 - 08/15/23 05:16 AM (5 months, 10 days ago)

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I’m glad someone brought up the idea that “ they're one of life's pleasures which make it worth living”.

This seems to be neglected or looked down upon in reference to something like mushrooms but acceptable with plenty of other substances/activities that aren’t “perfectly safe”.

For the most part, they have helped me heal, forgive my father for his absence, forgive my mother for keeping certain secrets from me that I should’ve been told as they involved me as a child, learn to love my family again and, most importantly, start to love myself again.

I’ll admit, after my first experience at Burning Man, I took a 2 year hiatus. Then when I returned to them, I had the naive idea that they would “cure me” just as they had, in many ways, the first time I took them. The following year tripping was interesting and exploratory but left me “disappointed”. Why? Because they failed to “cure me”.

What I didn’t notice was how they were changing me. Making me more open, more understanding and more emotionally mature. But that didn’t mean that I lost all ability to be angry, sad, petty, closed off etc. I just did those things a little less. Which is a win in my eyes.

It wasn’t until I realized that I need to add in substantial work to maximize their benefits that I started to see them differently. And I still have a ton of work to do.

But today I know that only I can save myself. And mushrooms are just a part of my journey as both medicine and pleasure.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #28436165 - 08/16/23 02:43 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

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What I didn’t notice was how they were changing me. Making me more open, more understanding and more emotionally mature. But that didn’t mean that I lost all ability to be angry, sad, petty, closed off etc. I just did those things a little less. Which is a win in my eyes.

It wasn’t until I realized that I need to add in substantial work to maximize their benefits that I started to see them differently. And I still have a ton of work to do.

But today I know that only I can save myself. And mushrooms are just a part of my journey as both medicine and pleasure.




Damn.  Absolutely spot-on.  Exactly how I see it.

It isn't a "cure."  But what if each experience- after full integration, after the effects have diminished and fully subsided, after weeks have weakened the memory, after the whole thing is completely over- leaves you with a little kernel that helps you change just 1%?  After a long time and many experiences, that becomes a meaningful, large-scale change and you're no longer the person you were before, each experience and subsequent reflection and integration a grain of sand that adds up toward a cumulative effect. 

What if after many years you could be a full 15% happier, more at peace, whatever?  That's a huge quality of life increase and a very real change.  That's a substantially better existence than you'd have otherwise.

I was always terrified of 'drugs.'  And terrified of change.  I didn't actually believe people could truly change.  I pessimistically believed that change only meant things getting worse.  I now know I was very wrong.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: shed light]
    #28436495 - 08/16/23 08:37 PM (5 months, 9 days ago)

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What I didn’t notice was how they were changing me. Making me more open, more understanding and more emotionally mature. But that didn’t mean that I lost all ability to be angry, sad, petty, closed off etc. I just did those things a little less. Which is a win in my eyes.

It wasn’t until I realized that I need to add in substantial work to maximize their benefits that I started to see them differently. And I still have a ton of work to do.

But today I know that only I can save myself. And mushrooms are just a part of my journey as both medicine and pleasure.




Damn.  Absolutely spot-on.  Exactly how I see it.

It isn't a "cure."  But what if each experience- after full integration, after the effects have diminished and fully subsided, after weeks have weakened the memory, after the whole thing is completely over- leaves you with a little kernel that helps you change just 1%?  After a long time and many experiences, that becomes a meaningful, large-scale change and you're no longer the person you were before, each experience and subsequent reflection and integration a grain of sand that adds up toward a cumulative effect. 

What if after many years you could be a full 15% happier, more at peace, whatever?  That's a huge quality of life increase and a very real change.  That's a substantially better existence than you'd have otherwise.

I was always terrified of 'drugs.'  And terrified of change.  I didn't actually believe people could truly change.  I pessimistically believed that change only meant things getting worse.  I now know I was very wrong.




This is something people should remind themselves of. Your process is the best way forward.

Too many people want to jump 15% at a time so when it doesn't happen, people give up. And that cycle repeats ad infinitum, sadly, in a majority of people. But if they could just accept 1% at a time, they'd achieve it all after a long and fulfilling life.

Perhaps that's the meaning of our lives as journeys. To walk marginally closer to "God" every day (And I use "God" as a stand-in for the indescribable all at the end of complete spiritual, emotional and physical self-actualization). And the end of a life is simply the end of a long and beautiful walk.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28437236 - 08/17/23 02:23 PM (5 months, 8 days ago)

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Too many people want to jump 15% at a time so when it doesn't happen, people give up. And that cycle repeats ad infinitum, sadly, in a majority of people. But if they could just accept 1% at a time, they'd achieve it all after a long and fulfilling life.

Perhaps that's the meaning of our lives as journeys. To walk marginally closer to "God" every day (And I use "God" as a stand-in for the indescribable all at the end of complete spiritual, emotional and physical self-actualization). And the end of a life is simply the end of a long and beautiful walk.




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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: shed light]
    #28441849 - 08/21/23 02:23 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

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Too many people want to jump 15% at a time so when it doesn't happen, people give up. And that cycle repeats ad infinitum, sadly, in a majority of people. But if they could just accept 1% at a time, they'd achieve it all after a long and fulfilling life.

Perhaps that's the meaning of our lives as journeys. To walk marginally closer to "God" every day (And I use "God" as a stand-in for the indescribable all at the end of complete spiritual, emotional and physical self-actualization). And the end of a life is simply the end of a long and beautiful walk.




You've a way with words, my friend.




Thank you friend! Language has such psychedelic capability, it can move the unmovable, deceive the believer and bring faith to the forlorn. And I love to play with it, to mold it. Next to psychedelics, language as an art form is the most powerful agent for altering perception in my life.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28442870 - 08/22/23 02:05 PM (5 months, 3 days ago)

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Thank you friend! Language has such psychedelic capability, it can move the unmovable, deceive the believer and bring faith to the forlorn. And I love to play with it, to mold it. Next to psychedelics, language as an art form is the most powerful agent for altering perception in my life.




Cool way of seeing it.  I've always looked at language academically.  From a linguistic/evolutionary standpoint.  It's been a lifelong interest/hobby but I guess it never occurred to me that I could wield it as well as study it.  Maybe the closest thing we have to "magic."  Simply uttering sounds with specific intonations can spur people to anger or joy.  Can manipulate and alter the course of history.  Weird.


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    #28443645 - 08/23/23 09:33 AM (5 months, 2 days ago)

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Thank you friend! Language has such psychedelic capability, it can move the unmovable, deceive the believer and bring faith to the forlorn. And I love to play with it, to mold it. Next to psychedelics, language as an art form is the most powerful agent for altering perception in my life.




Cool way of seeing it.  I've always looked at language academically.  From a linguistic/evolutionary standpoint.  It's been a lifelong interest/hobby but I guess it never occurred to me that I could wield it as well as study it.  Maybe the closest thing we have to "magic."  Simply uttering sounds with specific intonations can spur people to anger or joy.  Can manipulate and alter the course of history.  Weird.




Crazy, eh? The power of language (and even mere uttered sound without association) is boundless. Terrence Mckenna had a love of language, which shows in how incredibly he articulates himself in his books. And he was absolutely right. Language is psychedelic. And just like a trip, it's experienced differently by everyone.

But not to derail this thread, I'll bring it back to OP's dilemma.

OP, talk therapy is also relatively effective at helping depression. It's why the most effective therapy utilizing mushrooms is with a therapist/guide who helps during the trip but, most importantly, helps afterwards to integrate through the use of talk therapy with the patient.

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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28451288 - 08/29/23 03:26 PM (4 months, 27 days ago)

Sadly not.

I've had depression since injuring my back at age 19 (I'm 48 now). I've been on-and-off (but mostly on) anti-depressants since age 25.

In 2021 I tried microdosing Liberty Caps (I live in the UK). I picked them myself (a process which I absolutely loved and found to be therapeutic in itself). A few 'verified' users on The Shroomery confirmed for me that they were indeed Liberty Caps.

A brief history - I had done LSD between the ages of 16 and 18 years old, 11 times in total - this had been among some of the best and the worst experiences of my life. I smoked weed for about 15 years and I took Ecstasy / MDMA 15 times during my 20s and 30s, so I had a fair bit of psychedelic experience under my belt. This stuff was many years ago however.

This was actually the first time that I'd ever tried shrooms though. So, I gradually tapered off of my meds and then I went meds-free for about 2 months before finally working up the courage to start microdosing.

On day 1, I ate literally just 1 single Liberty Cap (a VERY micro dose) just to be as safe as possible. I went out walking in nature and I listened to The Shamen on headphones. The only thing that I really noticed was a slightly increased level of detail to the music. I was noticing things in the music that I'd never noticed before, despite having listened to these songs probably hundreds of times over the years. Subtle noises in the background, that sort of thing. Anyway, I came home and felt fine and went about my business.

On day 2, I had gotten into a foul mood in the morning because of some chores which had irritated my back, but I had calmed down by lunchtime. I took 2 Liberty Caps this time and once again went out walking in nature. This time, the effect was still subtle, but I definitely felt a shift in perception. When I looked at the ground, I could see every single, individual blade of grass and the green colour was especially vibrant. When I looked out across the meadow, a subtle, pleasant "wave" pattern was moving through the long, dry grass. Still listening to The Shamen on headphones, the music sounded very clear and once again I noticed elements that I never had before. I wasn't expecting to really feel any perceptual shift on such a tiny dose, so this was kind of surprising to me but not unpleasant.

The problems began when I got home a couple of hours later and started to feel a wave of anxiety slowly but surely creeping over me. I guess the 'trip' - if you could call it that - was now wearing off. I sat in the garden for a bit, trying to calm down, but the anxiety intensified. That evening I had a couple of cans of beer, which at best took the edge off of the anxiety for a while. After a couple of days of this continuous anxiety, I decided to go back on my meds.

To cut a long story short, it took about a year for me to get back to my base-level of happiness or calmness or whatever you might like to call it. The generalised anxiety would sometimes dissipate for a time here and there, but overall it hung around for about a year, maybe 15 months. I remained on the meds and I also had individual counselling and EMDR therapy (highly recommended) during this period. I kept myself very busy and active and just generally carried on with my day to day life, but it was extremely unpleasant - especially for the first few weeks after the trip where I had occasional panic attacks. Exercise and meditation were both very helpful as was socialising as much as possible.

I will point out that the exact same thing happened to me - only worse - way back in 2013 after a night when I took too much MDMA. It left me in a state of anxiety which took about 15 months to fully recover from. The first few months were so bad that I felt suicidal, it was absolute hell. I didn't touch any drugs for 6 years after that experience.

I have no intention to dabble again as my psyche clearly can't handle even a very mild psychedelic dose any more. Which is a hell of a shame as I had such high hopes after reading so much over the last few years about the benefits of microdosing and the benefits of psychedelics in general. It amazes me that I used to love taking really strong acid in the early 90s and yet I was recently completely floored by just 2 Liberty Caps.

I had really hoped that the experience would help me to develop into a calmer, happier, more accepting and understanding person. I had hoped it might allow me to get free of anti-depressants once and for all. I had hoped that it would help me to be a better husband (although my wife was INCREDIBLY against the whole idea of me trying to microdose and we argued about it a lot. This may well have been a reason for the bad outcome, perhaps it was in the back of my mind?).

If anyone can shed any light on this at all, I would be extremely grateful. I just want to try and understand WHY my mind cannot deal with such a light dose. I have heard Terence McKenna say that light doses can cause anxiety, but I'm pretty sure that he was referring to anxiety lasting for the duration of the trip, rather than many months or even a year of generalised anxiety afterwards.

I'm fine now (whatever fine is these days :wink: ) but I would still love to hear any thoughts or theories on this. It actually annoys me that I am not suited to pursuing this avenue of treatment / exploration. Am I just being a lightweight? Am I too old for this type of experience now? Did I just not take a high enough dose? I've never heard of anyone having such a bad reaction to 2 liberty caps.

I've procrastinated about posting about this for over 2 years, it's actually a little bit embarrassing to be honest.

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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Sid Shroom]
    #28453131 - 08/31/23 05:27 AM (4 months, 25 days ago)

Mushrooms seem to have paradoxical effects on anxiety, both enhancing and suppressing it. I don't know about liberty caps but in my first (mild) trips on cubes they seemed to enhance it. But it was not uncontrollable, more like a physical feeling, like a ball in my stomach. The day after a trip I was feeling moody, like some kind of hangover but this went away soon.
Anxiety and depression were the reasons I tried shrooms in the first place and over a couple of months with some low and medium doses of shrooms, these feelings subsided. I had learned to be anxious before and shrooms have helped me to unlearn it, during trips but also in real life.

What would be best in your case I don't know. Psychedelics might again trigger an underlying anxiety or they might help you fight it with some higher doses and repeated exposure.
Only you can decide if you want to risk it. The human brain is incredibly complex and everybody reacts differently.


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    #28453740 - 08/31/23 03:25 PM (4 months, 25 days ago)

off topic but has anyone tried ketamine or ket therapy, and can they compare it to shrooms for depression treatment


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    #28455933 - 09/02/23 11:21 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

Hey Rocky Raccoon

Many thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. Some wise words in there for sure.

I do suspect that a high dose might've helped me to heal from many years of depression, but as you rightly state - it is risky.

For several years now, I've been on the volunteer list for a couple of the licensed psilocybin trials here in London, so I would still consider that if I made it through the screening process. There is also always the possibility of a licensed psilocybin retreat in Amsterdam, but again there is a screening process for this and - based on my previous experience - I might be deemed as unsuitable or too risky. Of course I could always lie about my anxiety, but I think that this would be an incredibly dumb idea.

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    #28455947 - 09/02/23 11:30 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

Shrooms were fun. But I wouldn’t say it’s a cure for depression at the dosages that I have tried yet. Ayahusca on the other hand did.😂
I think it’s a lot about setting.
It’s also a lot about intention.
Mushrooms make you giddy.
So it’s hard to focus on really wanting to work on yourself. If you’re watching the trees Melt & Staindglass window colors flowing over the floor.
But if you have a professional guiding you through the experience. I imagine it could be incredibly therapeutic.


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    #28456468 - 09/02/23 08:33 PM (4 months, 23 days ago)

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off topic but has anyone tried ketamine or ket therapy, and can they compare it to shrooms for depression treatment




Yes, I started with Ketamine therapy with no psychedelic experiences before hand. I also have zero medication history prior to this, so I literally started with Ketamine IV's.  I'm a rare case.

Whatcha wanna know, exactly?  I've done several write-ups; but, I'll answer your exact questions.

Shit was life changing for me, and got me here BTW.


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    #28456778 - 09/03/23 08:21 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

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Shrooms were fun. But I wouldn’t say it’s a cure for depression at the dosages that I have tried yet. Ayahusca on the other hand did.😂
I think it’s a lot about setting.
It’s also a lot about intention.
Mushrooms make you giddy.
So it’s hard to focus on really wanting to work on yourself. If you’re watching the trees Melt & Staindglass window colors flowing over the floor.
But if you have a professional guiding you through the experience. I imagine it could be incredibly therapeutic.




Ayahuasca really sounds like a life changing experience. Maybe I'll try it some day. The effects of shrooms might be more subtle but they accumulate over time and usage. I enjoy trips, especially together with my partner. Sometimes I get new and interesting ideas but mainly it's just fun and relaxing. Still, there are lasting after effects for me and reduced anxiety is one of them. Working on myself actually starts after the trip when my brain is more open to changes in perspective. I think that's the point where guidance or therapy would be most helpful.


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    #28456999 - 09/03/23 10:52 AM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Everyone’s different. I like to doing it without nausea. I had a hell of an experience. If you’re curious, I can describe to you my method. If done properly, you will experience just a bit at 20 minutes, easily remedied by a single bowl of fine marijuana. The potion makes people violently ill. Also violently high. My method has all of the therapeutic effects. Without putting you into a hammock coma.


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    #28457211 - 09/03/23 02:12 PM (4 months, 22 days ago)

Is it easy to get the ingredients? I'm living in Europe.
Also not sure if all the ceremonial thing is needed or if you just take it and experience for yourself.
I'm a bit afraid I have to say, since I'm quite sensitive to substances, also shrooms. But with shrooms I know my dosage and how far I can and want to go.


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    #28457862 - 09/04/23 12:24 AM (4 months, 21 days ago)

I am the shaman. Don’t even worry about it bro I got you. It’s incredibly easy to get these ingredients. If you PM me I can tell you how and what all of it is. Literally everything I got was completely legal where I am. 🤣


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    #28459403 - 09/05/23 10:58 AM (4 months, 20 days ago)

I cured my depression with mushrooms. But not any mushroom as I had tried to use cubensis for that purpose before. Semperviva did it. I will forever be grateful for that because, if it wasnt for them, I suspect I would never get out of that deep hole. They did not cure me overnight. But they made me feel something finally and gave me the energy to change my habits and seek a therapist, something I had absolutely no energy for before. At the time, I was in a downward spiral of self destructive thoughts; I could barely feel anything but sadness and doom the whole day and even the slightest compliment from anyone would bring me to tears. I was a new person after that trip.

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    #28459480 - 09/05/23 12:05 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

This is the same Epiphany I had on my Ayahusca!
It just lets you forgive yourself for all the things that you thought you did wrong. You’re holding yourself back with your depression. It just starts you over with a blank slate. It’s not like you couldn’t get depressed again. But you’re able to objectively look at all your trauma, and just get over it.
I’m sure it does take multiple tries to really get the full benefit. I did a few trips. Sounds like this guy had to do a few trips on mushrooms. It’s not something you get to just do once and be done.
But it definitely gets you on the right path. I knew exactly what I wanted to do with the rest my life after 3rd trip. Which cured my depression.


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    #28461232 - 09/07/23 01:52 AM (4 months, 18 days ago)

I found this video with some proper hints about setting and dosage for a psilocybin healing session, not just for a fun trip. Also a lot of information about how the substance works in your brain, neuroplasticity,  perception, emotions etc.



To sum up the part about setting (from minute 30 of the video):
1. Dosage should be 25 - 30 mg Psilocybin, taken once or twice. That would be approximately 2,5-3 g Mushrooms (with all the errors due to biological variations)
2. Have a sober and trustful tripsitter by your side.
3. You should close your eyes / be blindfolded to avoid concentrating too much on OEVs.
4. Music is really important and should match the phases of your trip.

Ignore the ads and the admittedly BS about accidents on psychedelics. The rest is highly interesting.

The dosage is still a vague point to me since there's biology involved on side of the mushrooms as well as the consumer. But I think about upping my dose for a more healing experience.


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    #28461577 - 09/07/23 02:22 PM (4 months, 18 days ago)

I have to say that shrooms opened the door for my healing, but they have not healed me on their own. My childhood background is... nasty.. and it wrecked my mind in ways that I didn't understand and just couldn't see. Mushrooms opened the door, but only after I spent a couple of months smoking weed and meditating. My first trip opened the door via flashbacks to childhood things I had locked away, but I think thanks to the shrooms I could accept them and deal with them. I tripped pretty much for a whole year, I'm guessing close to a total of 200g dried; tripping every two weeks for a year. I did not cure me, it has not healed me, it only opened the door and dared me to walk through.

So, what has helped me gain the healing that I have? Work! I have poured myself into mindfulness, self reflection ans meditation. Radical acceptance of the things I find within my mind. I have had to learn how to be my own best friend, to listen to myself when I'm getting disregulated and to take steps to ground and orient myself.

It has been one of the most difficult journeys I have ever undertaken in life. At times it's almost unbearable painful yet from the midst of the hurt emerges this gratitude at just being alive.

Mushrooms can give you the chance to heal, but I'm telling you that you need to be ready to hurt, to work and to fight in order to realize what a gift they can bring.


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    #28462373 - 09/08/23 12:26 PM (4 months, 17 days ago)

It definitely works. If you've suffered enough, you can change your perspective through the mushroom experience, so you're smarter when you eat mushrooms. The intelligent person is brave and self-confident. Love.


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    #28471851 - 09/17/23 03:45 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

Hi GenesisCorrupted

Thank you very much indeed for your reply, apologies that I didn't reply sooner.

Thank you for sharing your own personal experiences. I'm really glad to hear that ayahuasca worked for you.

Yes, I suspect that the best therapy for someone like me who is fairly anxious about this sort of thing nowadays would be a guided therapy session with a professional counsellor in a clinical setting. As I say, I'm still currently on a volunteer list for psilocybin guided therapy in London.

Hopefully this type of therapy might eventually become commonplace or at least more easily accessible for the general population. Certainly the results that these trials are having seem to be incredible and can't really be ignored by the medical profession any longer.

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    #28492753 - 10/05/23 03:11 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

Anything the body does well has been done for a long time, so depression, if it's severe, is a long deep-seated growth in the nervous system, or malgrowth more correctly, that needs correcting. That's limited by your DNA. However mushrooms 'have been shown' to alter growth patterns in the brain, so that surprising changes can occur with persistent use.


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    #28522277 - 10/29/23 12:09 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

The answer is down to you.
The mushrooms don't really do anything except show you the way. Not in some arcane way but literally showing you yourself. You have to be open to it and you have to have the language to understand it which I don't think is very common. We just don't have the maps to traverse this stuff. Only in certain places like psychology, therapy, religion maybe, spirituality etc do you find more fitting possible explanations but how many people are therapists? Psychologists? Religious figures or at least devoted to religion? How many have pursued spirituality as a necessity to understanding themselves and the world? You might listen to one or two McKenna lectures on YT or Ram Dass but that's only the beginning. These guys were immersed in the worlds in which they preached throughout their lives. They knew the landscape. They were grounded.

Its like when you're in an abusive relationship. You know something is really wrong and you're going out of your mind cause of how much it hurts but if don't know it's abusive and your vocabulary about abuse is minimal you're as good as stuck, for now anyway. For now you don't have the awareness you need to have to know that you're being abused.

In another way its like love. If you've never experienced it and the words describing it have never had much meaning, does love exist? If you have though you have a rich understanding of what love is.

Until you know, you don't know. And some people want to know but don't yet know enough to take a voyage that will be one of their biggest lessons to date only they were seeing experiencing feeling running (maybe) from it in another way.

Until you know there is a lesson in revealing yourself to yourself it's just like looking in the mirror before you go out. You're not looking to find out why your dad never loved you or why your people are being repressed or what exists at the core of your depression, why you've been searching for so long, why you've been running etc. You just look at your reflection and go... Okay, ready. And out the door you go. It's not a deep experience.

Psychedelics are not glancing in the mirror before going out. They are glancing through the mirror to what exists beyond. To not just see the reflection but to recognize and come into what is looking back at you. To come home to what exists.

The best experiences I've had have been when I've done the most work on myself to find maps to understand myself. That's before psychedelics although I started taking psychedelics before I did this but missed the boat on numerous occasions now looking back. I took them recreationally almost in an abusive context like I did with weed back then smoking it just to smoke it and cause it was cool. They are frameworks or methods and while they are not all there is, they give you a reference point to go beyond the conceptualizations and into what is.

You can get caught in models, just as someone whose writhing in pain from years of trauma (or some equally challenging problem) gets caught up in that model but... Maps are important and people are taking psychedelics without maps.

What should be sacred medicines used in a ritualized context are often used as if they are antidepressants. Just chug em down and hope for the best. We can blame our culture for this. A culture that wants to take shortcuts and thinks it can create magic pills (literally) to solve issues that are far more complex and always will be.

The down to you bit at the start of this long winded post is the bit where YOU decide what it all means. To know what it means at all you need at least SOME comprehension which implies understanding, awareness, deliberate effort to work on knowing. That is the work that needs to be done IMO which is ultimately to know yourself.

If we aren't doing that we're missing a large piece of the jigsaw puzzle. If you do know yourself and psychedelics aren't working you at least know that you're involved in the process consciously with openness to learn. If a psychedelic experience doesn't "work" for you, it's probably a message highlighting a door that hasn't yet been opened or maybe it has and you've never walked through it. Or maybe you have walked through it and you just don't know, yet


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    #28526630 - 11/02/23 01:42 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

Hey LostInTimeNSpc

Many thanks for the reply, and sorry for my delay in responding.

Yes, that certainly does makes a lot of sense. All the psilocybin trials seem to be pointing in that direction.

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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Sid Shroom]
    #28531986 - 11/06/23 05:07 PM (2 months, 20 days ago)

I cured my PTSD and all ailments, including depression (temporarily, but for about two years), which came as a result of my PTSD. I figured...exposure therapy....terrify the hell out of me with extreme visions and then I won't need to trip for a while.

I really need to submit this trip report. It's far out. It's 800ug of LSD and 12.2g of shrooms, taken as tea three times during the journey.

Trip lasted 18 hours. It felt like one solid week in real time. What a vacation that was. Best days off of my life.

I want to try mescal and another psychedelic, see what that combo does.

I've already done pharmahausca and had to bail with like 10mg of clonazepam. The realness of it was too intense. I also took way too much DMT. Like 150mg with harmana alkaloids to make it active

The LSD + shroom trip felt like...it'll be hard to put into words. Best day of my life, probably

Tl;DR? I get it. It's boring. Well, I did some crazy psychedelic combo trips before and I need to write about them.

Also, unfortunately, unless I had a constant supply of psychedelics, I would not be able to manage my PTSD and other ailments


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    #28532538 - 11/07/23 05:37 AM (2 months, 19 days ago)

My best friend died at only 21, 7 years ago, one strong hit of cubensis, tripping balls in the shower literally cured my depression and suicidal imagery like someone had flicked a switch. I was sobbing uncontrollably as I tried to take a shower whilst off my head and suddenly all the water droplets on the glass shower screen turned into eyes of humans and different animals, and started breathing with me. All of a sudden, those eyes all formed into one human eye in the centre and it dropped a single tear, like the sheikah thing on breath of the wild. As that drop fell, all of my pain and depression went away in an instant, it felt like I'd been lifted up and out of it.
I was no longer depressed, I stopped getting suicidal imagery, and I even noticed I procrastinated less(probably due to not being depressed anymore).
I still get sad about her from time to time but I don't walk around broken and depressed anymore. Shrooms saved my life.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: searchin]
    #28551291 - 11/21/23 08:56 AM (2 months, 5 days ago)

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The answer is down to you.
The mushrooms don't really do anything except show you the way. Not in some arcane way but literally showing you yourself. You have to be open to it and you have to have the language to understand it which I don't think is very common. We just don't have the maps to traverse this stuff. Only in certain places like psychology, therapy, religion maybe, spirituality etc do you find more fitting possible explanations but how many people are therapists? Psychologists? Religious figures or at least devoted to religion? How many have pursued spirituality as a necessity to understanding themselves and the world? You might listen to one or two McKenna lectures on YT or Ram Dass but that's only the beginning. These guys were immersed in the worlds in which they preached throughout their lives. They knew the landscape. They were grounded.

Its like when you're in an abusive relationship. You know something is really wrong and you're going out of your mind cause of how much it hurts but if don't know it's abusive and your vocabulary about abuse is minimal you're as good as stuck, for now anyway. For now you don't have the awareness you need to have to know that you're being abused.

In another way its like love. If you've never experienced it and the words describing it have never had much meaning, does love exist? If you have though you have a rich understanding of what love is.

Until you know, you don't know. And some people want to know but don't yet know enough to take a voyage that will be one of their biggest lessons to date only they were seeing experiencing feeling running (maybe) from it in another way.

Until you know there is a lesson in revealing yourself to yourself it's just like looking in the mirror before you go out. You're not looking to find out why your dad never loved you or why your people are being repressed or what exists at the core of your depression, why you've been searching for so long, why you've been running etc. You just look at your reflection and go... Okay, ready. And out the door you go. It's not a deep experience.

Psychedelics are not glancing in the mirror before going out. They are glancing through the mirror to what exists beyond. To not just see the reflection but to recognize and come into what is looking back at you. To come home to what exists.

The best experiences I've had have been when I've done the most work on myself to find maps to understand myself. That's before psychedelics although I started taking psychedelics before I did this but missed the boat on numerous occasions now looking back. I took them recreationally almost in an abusive context like I did with weed back then smoking it just to smoke it and cause it was cool. They are frameworks or methods and while they are not all there is, they give you a reference point to go beyond the conceptualizations and into what is.

You can get caught in models, just as someone whose writhing in pain from years of trauma (or some equally challenging problem) gets caught up in that model but... Maps are important and people are taking psychedelics without maps.

What should be sacred medicines used in a ritualized context are often used as if they are antidepressants. Just chug em down and hope for the best. We can blame our culture for this. A culture that wants to take shortcuts and thinks it can create magic pills (literally) to solve issues that are far more complex and always will be.

The down to you bit at the start of this long winded post is the bit where YOU decide what it all means. To know what it means at all you need at least SOME comprehension which implies understanding, awareness, deliberate effort to work on knowing. That is the work that needs to be done IMO which is ultimately to know yourself.

If we aren't doing that we're missing a large piece of the jigsaw puzzle. If you do know yourself and psychedelics aren't working you at least know that you're involved in the process consciously with openness to learn. If a psychedelic experience doesn't "work" for you, it's probably a message highlighting a door that hasn't yet been opened or maybe it has and you've never walked through it. Or maybe you have walked through it and you just don't know, yet




I loved this response and you intellectually touched on the ultimate purpose of the greater healing journey and how natural substances can help provide a map for a larger and more meaningful understandings. Thank you very much for taking the time to write this all out I think it will be helpful to many people seeking a path. Have a great day!


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Alifebuggin]
    #28578130 - 12/11/23 06:22 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Hi
I suffer from ptsd i was molested as a child and i started micro dosing 14 years ago. I dont know if anyone else does this but i also take LSD,mescaline,and Dmt. And i do this 5 days aweek. I switch off one day mushrooms the next lsd and so forth. I take diffrent mushroom each time
Thats whst i do to smile every day. Without it im a wreck from helll so i believe it does work.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Snfu88]
    #28578664 - 12/11/23 02:17 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

I love your energy.
There is a cross tolerance between LSD, mushrooms and DMT though.
It wouldn’t be a bad idea to take a week off. Just to reset the tolerance.
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    #28584508 - 12/15/23 08:42 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Like many have said.. I have to agree.
The mushrooms shown me a better way to live and that helped my depression. One trip made me a better father. These things are amazing if you do the work. Good luck!

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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Evertking]
    #28586275 - 12/17/23 02:16 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

microdosing improved my life tremendously. i followed Fadiman's protocol for 6 months, with a minimum of 2 weeks break (sometimes longer) between cycles, all cycles were 4 weeks except the last, which was 6 weeks long.


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    #28586299 - 12/17/23 03:01 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

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Possibly...

Bipolar 2 since I was 21 (40 years), involuntary spells in 'hospital', during both depressive and manic episodes.  Long term meds including mood stabilisers, anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Started microdosing at the end of last year and titrating down the anti-depressants and anti-psychotics at the same time.  Since March I've been only on the mood stabilisers (both starting and stopping them carries severe risks) and I've been absolutely fine.

I've also had a couple of psychedelic therapy sessions - I'm not sure they're essential for the shrooms to work their magic, but they do help to bring stuff to the surface and to deal with it.

I say possibly because it'll be a year at least before I can be sure, but if nothing else, they've given me hope.




If I may ask, in what way do they help manage Bipolar? Do they prevent manic/depressive episodes? Do they stabilize the mood?

While not diagnosed, I have episodes of emotional turbulence that swing between depressive and energetic. While I've never felt manic to the degree of reckless behavior, I seem to have lots of swings from high to low.




Sorry man, I didn't spot your question.  It might be too late now, but in case you drop by now & then...

It's recognised that as you get older you have more depressive episodes and fewer manic / hypomanic.  Also, for completeness, I have PTSD as a result of horrific injuries sustained during a manic episode; I thought I was invincible, but I wasn't.

Whether the shrooms act as a mood stabiliser is perhaps doubtful, and I can't risk stopping the Lamotrigine (I flatly refused Lithium and Lamotrigine was the best alternative) to find out.  It takes months to titrate both up and down on Lamotrigine and skipping any stage can be fatal.

What they clearly HAVE done for me is mitigate the depressive episodes to the degree that they're imperceptible. 

I had my latest session with the consultant psychiatrist a week or 2 back.  I really wanted to tell him about the shrooms, quitting the SSRIs (Fluoxetine) and antipsychotics (Olanzapine), but daren't in case he adjusted my risk rating.  The good news though is that he was so impressed by my last two sessions that I've been discharged into the care of my general practitioner with a note that my condition is considered to be in remission (with good compliance on medication LOL).  All I have to do now is continue blood tests every 6 months to monitor for any signs of cardiometabolic syndrome (due to the meds - I'm far from obese, weighing 67kg at 5'9").

This time of year is always the worst for me, mostly because it's just coming up to the anniversay of my sister dying, screaming in pain, in my arms.  For the first time since then, I'm looking forward to Christmas and know it's what she would want for me.

Will it last?  Who knows, but it's been 9 months and the psychiatrist is impressed by my progress, so I'll keep microdosing and take the occasional trip in the hope that it does.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: newaccounts]
    #28587962 - 12/18/23 06:27 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/190166/psilocybin-assisted-therapy-cancer-patients/

The new study that demonstrates the benefits of psilocybin to depressed cancer patients used 25mg of synthesised psilocybin. Does anybody know what that would equate to in “mushroom terms”? About 3.5g?


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Harmonious]
    #28588150 - 12/18/23 10:10 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

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https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/190166/psilocybin-assisted-therapy-cancer-patients/

The new study that demonstrates the benefits of psilocybin to depressed cancer patients used 25mg of synthesised psilocybin. Does anybody know what that would equate to in “mushroom terms”? About 3.5g?



Purely dependent and variable on how many mg/g is in a particular grow/individual mushroom/cultivar/etc


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    #28589392 - 12/19/23 06:13 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/190166/psilocybin-assisted-therapy-cancer-patients/

The new study that demonstrates the benefits of psilocybin to depressed cancer patients used 25mg of synthesised psilocybin. Does anybody know what that would equate to in “mushroom terms”? About 3.5g?



Purely dependent and variable on how many mg/g is in a particular grow/individual mushroom/cultivar/etc




Any idea, based on standard Golden Teacher or similar?


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    #28589483 - 12/19/23 08:16 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/190166/psilocybin-assisted-therapy-cancer-patients/

The new study that demonstrates the benefits of psilocybin to depressed cancer patients used 25mg of synthesised psilocybin. Does anybody know what that would equate to in “mushroom terms”? About 3.5g?



Purely dependent and variable on how many mg/g is in a particular grow/individual mushroom/cultivar/etc




Any idea, based on standard Golden Teacher or similar?




So I was trying to say that potency is never really functionally standardized even within a strain such as GT. Different Grows of the same strain can have different potencies and individual mushrooms can vary considerable within the same particular grow. Growing conditions can also affect those variations. Also the study used only the isolated psilocybin but mushrooms will also contain other tryptamines like psilocin so that’s another variable that changes the particular mg/g of psilocybin content.


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    #28589542 - 12/19/23 09:27 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Great thread love reading everyone’s story about healing.

Mushrooms have done wonders for me as well however it all takes constant maintenance and I seem to always slowly forget the lessons and need to go back in the psychedelic space to learn them again.

It’s like turning a huge ship. It takes enormous long arcing  turns and along the way the captain eventually goes back to his old bunk maps and derails the progress, but overall it all is headed in a better path than before.

I usually do larger, single doses of mushrooms solo, micro dosing has not worked for me.
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    #28590705 - 12/20/23 12:16 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Understood. I was looking for a ball park figure to try and emulate the dose used by the research. Obviously 25mg of synthesised psilocybin is not possible.


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    #28590794 - 12/20/23 04:17 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Understood. I was looking for a ball park figure to try and emulate the dose used by the research. Obviously 25mg of synthesised psilocybin is not possible.



Ballpark, and understanding potency can vary across and within varieties- Let's say your dry cubes have an average potency between 0.5% and 1% psilocybin. That would require 2.5-5g dry weight to get 25mg psilocybin.


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    #28592154 - 12/21/23 12:50 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Thanks, that’s helpful.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: Harmonious]
    #28595123 - 12/23/23 10:22 AM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Now, 3 1/2 months since my last post I have to say that mushrooms didn't cure my depression. When I started to use them less often, it came back and hit me in the face like before. But I recently started psychotherapy and suddenly so many doors open up and I really feel I'm in a healing process.
I think I have all the answers in me but I still need someone else to help me find them. Mushrooms can't do all that, at least not for me.
Still, they helped me a lot, made me more open, reduced my anxiety and gave me moments of joy and peace. That's already A LOT for someone who's depressed. I will always be thankful for their gifts and will visit the mushroom realm whenever I need it.


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    #28605414 - 01/01/24 04:55 AM (26 days, 14 hours ago)

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Now, 3 1/2 months since my last post I have to say that mushrooms didn't cure my depression. When I started to use them less often, it came back and hit me in the face like before. But I recently started psychotherapy and suddenly so many doors open up and I really feel I'm in a healing process.
I think I have all the answers in me but I still need someone else to help me find them. Mushrooms can't do all that, at least not for me.
Still, they helped me a lot, made me more open, reduced my anxiety and gave me moments of joy and peace. That's already A LOT for someone who's depressed. I will always be thankful for their gifts and will visit the mushroom realm whenever I need it.




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    #28605886 - 01/01/24 01:58 PM (26 days, 5 hours ago)

Hello first post here. I’m 49 years old and hadn’t done psychedelics since I was 22. I’ve been recovering from a bad motorcycle accident where I broke my neck and thoracic. That lead me into pain meds which got taken away from me and I went down a dark road.
My roommate got me some shrooms and I got something positive out of it. Then I went down the road of DMT and that really helped me. I thought I had everything beat but as some time went on I started to slip back a bit. DMT was a great experience but it’s so powerful, I don’t want to do it anymore and I just want to stick with shrooms. I’m hoping that I can use them as a tool to get back my passion for music.

I played professionally for years and went to college for it. While at college I would take LSD once a week and play guitar for 12 hours straight. My guitar instructor said, I don’t know what you’re doing but keep it up. Every time you come back you sound so much better. I’ve never seen a student progress as fast as you.

Forward to now I still feel stuck in a rut. Having my passion as a job has burned me out. I’ve spent most of my life in a room or park practicing but I’m too broken physically to perform anymore. I’m hoping that shrooms will get me back. It took years but I’m not in pain bad enough to need opiates anymore but I need something to reignite my passions. I really enjoyed my recent trips on mushrooms but I worry about the safety of getting the right kinds and a friend suggested I start growing my own. I look forward to getting to know others here and using shrooms effectively to better myself and reconnect with the music.


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    #28607047 - 01/02/24 12:42 PM (25 days, 7 hours ago)

Rick Doblin says psychedelics are a catalyst for change.  Rather that change is healing depends on the social context the catalyst is used in.

On a personal level.  I find mushrooms helpful in connecting more deeply with people I trust and connecting more deeply with myself when used as an adjunct to meditative practices.

But set and setting, rather by myself or with friends, is as important if not more important, than the substance used as a catalyst.

This is why I'm frankly not a fan of ketamine clinics.  We're social animals.  The healing isn't in the drug but how we help people integrate the drug experience.  Yes, ketamine can help allieviate symptoms of even chronic depression.  But I think actual growth and transformation requires a stronger social element than is being offered in at most of these places.


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    #28607073 - 01/02/24 01:03 PM (25 days, 6 hours ago)

I wouldn't necessarily say I cured mine, because I still have it, but if I had a steady supply of them and I just microdosed with them, I can guarantee I wouldn't have depression.

But yeah on a heroic jedi trip, my depression went away for at least a year afterwards


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    #28614036 - 01/08/24 11:44 AM (19 days, 7 hours ago)

I wholeheartedly agree with all your points mate, couldn't have said it better.


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    #28621522 - 01/14/24 09:00 PM (12 days, 22 hours ago)

Been microdosing for a couple of months now and am loving my results. I've just finished weening myself off of an SSRI, I don't feel dead inside any more, I'm calmer, more patient, no anxiety, my motivation is way up, and I've had good energy. I've stopped eating for no reason and have lost eight pounds. I actually got laid off from my job recently and am about to find myself unemployed for the first time in 30 years. It's stressful but I'm not freaking out. I was motivated to get back out there and already have some prospects lined up. Had I been laid off a couple months ago, I don't think I'd have handled it well. Maybe slip deeper into a depression. This has been an excellent experience for me.


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    #28621581 - 01/14/24 10:11 PM (12 days, 21 hours ago)

Hi everyone I've been part of this community for a few year's now. I've been reading a lot of post to educate myself. I decided to make a post on this subject because I feel I'm very qualified to say something about this. I'm 48 year's old and I have had many life changing heartbreaking tragedy happened to me. From 11 to 16 I was molested in a catholic boy's home so I have a lot of mental issues. I suffer night terrors panic attacks i rarely go in public my best friend from childhood takes care of me 13 year's ago I started to healing myself because as I am getting older it's becoming too difficult for me to deal with. So 13 year's ago I started the journey of rewiring my brain not knowing anything other than hallucinogenics could help me and not knowing anything about micrdosing or how to I started taking mescaline and growing the different cactus that contain this magical substance. I would drink a tea everyday for 3 year's and it wasn't really helping so I switched to LSD but would still take mescaline once a week after about a year or so after I started taking mushroom and I cut out the taking LSD and mescaline and started using DMT every other day and mushrooms in between after little over 2 years of that I was starting to develop a sleeping pattern but still night terrors but I kept doing this ritual every night 3 year's ago I had my last night terror dream and a year ago I started going to town and getting out. I owe who ever gave us this wonderful gift. It doesn't take overnight just time for the magic to work.
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    #28621791 - 01/15/24 06:53 AM (12 days, 12 hours ago)

Thanks for sharing your story and glad you're recovering from the trauma you endured as a child.

Heavy stuff for sure.

As for your comment on being thankful for whoever gave us this gift, I give mine to the plants and fungi.  Our beautiful cousins who help us reconnect.


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Listen to the silence behind the engines' noise.  Jesus, Sweets, listen.  Hear it?  It's a love song.
For whom?
You are loved.
~ David Foster Wallace, Westward the Course of Empire Takes Its Way


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: tree frog] * 1
    #28628096 - 01/20/24 04:54 AM (7 days, 14 hours ago)

I started microdosing 5 months ago and they seem to have improved my energy and outlook. I was pretty down, sick of drinking and in severe physical pain due to back injury which definitely threatened my livelihood. I quit drinking and started physical therapy. Doing great lately, upbeat, more energy, and healthier. No way to know how I would have been without the microdosing but no way would I be better off and almost assuredly worse. This was after 45 years of hard drinking and blood pressure that was sending me to the ER. Now I'm 35# lighter(intermittant fasting), and healthy BP. As a bonus I love growing them, great new hobby.


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Re: So did anyone actually "cure" their depression with shrooms? [Re: MacD]
    #28628342 - 01/20/24 09:37 AM (7 days, 10 hours ago)

Way to go! Keep it up!


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