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Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable?
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Fuck them.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
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Misery loves company.
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I told you what type of tent I had a few weeks ago and you called me a garbage mexican shit toilet
Maybe the answer to your question lies somewhere within
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: feevers]
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: feevers]
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Maybe the answer to your question lies somewhere within
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28410342 - 07/27/23 12:37 PM (5 months, 30 days ago) |
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We often assume if a person purposely causes suffering, they must "enjoy" it. We say a serial killer "enjoys" torturing and raping people. It is possible that premeditated violence is not always accompanied by feelings of joy? Humans choose to engage in many behaviors that don't cultivate a sense of enjoyment. Take a 600-pound person who eats pizza and ice cream all day. We assume they must "enjoy" food, but when you watch them binge, you observe zero enjoyment.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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hedonic motivation is so overrated
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28410413 - 07/27/23 01:37 PM (5 months, 30 days ago) |
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When self esteem is based on comparison, demeaning others elevates the self. The net result is akin to lowering the standard by which one believes others judge.
This is the same reason so many people were smugly pleased to see Fabio get hit in the face by a goose while on a roller coaster.

I think if we are all introspective, we have all been secretly pleased to hear the news that someone else has had something bad happen to them.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28411064 - 07/27/23 11:19 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Barnaby said: Fuck them.
People are hurt, and they get angry and lashing out at the world, using misery as sustenance. Fuck em indeed. Fuck me when I'm in that mood, and probably you too. We're all people though, next time your day is rough ask yourself if you were the jerk that day in any interactions. Some people are sociopaths and just truly find it amusing, some people fall in deep isolating hole of anger and depression and feel nothing, they have no connection yet hurting a real person creates one.
The issue with the whole deterministic idea there I usually see is if someone is a repeat offender and never wants to change then fuck em but we can't cause they're just a product of their nurturement, but if they are violent in any way it's a pretty hard argument. The brain needs to want to change -to change, if someone loves hurting people enough they won't change, fuck em. Oh if you tailgate me, you better believe I'm slowing down.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Tropism]
#28411226 - 07/28/23 04:43 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28411250 - 07/28/23 05:10 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Ween on Tuesday. They are not like that and so many miserable M's on the shroomery. It used to be have fun now it just mean spirited shit for the most part. Misery, no, I like life. Sorry.
What happened to old school man? Pussies. Youtube removed a vid I liked. So will go with Bill Hicks. He punched out a brat kid at a bar in one massive swoop but that is Boston from a shit neighborhood where a mother brings a kid to a bar.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28411254 - 07/28/23 05:26 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Like Orgy?
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby] 1
#28411265 - 07/28/23 05:45 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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I mean why? For my kids sake? Racist pigs. Dwarf haters especially Dinkledge. blech. Fuck it. And the stock.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
#28417822 - 08/02/23 07:54 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Misery loves company.
It's cute that you think people who are sadistic are miserable. There's nothing going on inside of them to be miserable about. How naive you are.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: iPear]
#28417826 - 08/02/23 07:57 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Misery loves company.
It's cute that you think people who are sadistic are miserable. There's nothing going on inside of them to be miserable about. How naive you are.
You sound a bit unhinged
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28417883 - 08/02/23 08:54 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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It's pleasurable for some people to cause pain in others. Personally, if I was in charge of eugenics, I would weed them out of society, but that's just me. They certainly aren't contributing anything, they just drag the rest of society down. Better to get rid of them.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: nooneman]
#28417903 - 08/02/23 09:22 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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nooneman said: It's pleasurable for some people to cause pain in others. Personally, if I was in charge of eugenics, I would weed them out of society, but that's just me. They certainly aren't contributing anything, they just drag the rest of society down. Better to get rid of them.
Ah Eugenics. We were off to such a good start til some German socialists gave us a bad reputation in WWII.
Not to just restate the question and point of this thread... but what possible evolutionary purpose could sadism have?
It seems more than just rape-pleasure gene spreading. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28418114 - 08/03/23 12:41 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Moses_Davidson said: ... but what possible evolutionary purpose could sadism have?
Perhaps it's no more than a twerk of an entirely egocentric perspective.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28418124 - 08/03/23 01:11 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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An entirely egocentric perspective in a gregarious setting: "Ooh! You're gonna pay!"
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28418207 - 08/03/23 04:11 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Moses_Davidson said: When self esteem is based on comparison, demeaning others elevates the self. The net result is akin to lowering the standard by which one believes others judge.
This is the same reason so many people were smugly pleased to see Fabio get hit in the face by a goose while on a roller coaster.

I think if we are all introspective, we have all been secretly pleased to hear the news that someone else has had something bad happen to them.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
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So perhaps when our ancestors' tribe was under threat, the person carrying the sadistic genes got up to bat and ultimately protected the tribe?
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28420071 - 08/04/23 06:12 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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What a mean old goose
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28420078 - 08/04/23 06:26 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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War and pain in service of the like-minded. What's on channel 2? Nesting dolls limited in their scope and influence by habitual practices. Who has the remote?
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
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What a mean old goose
I subscribe to an alt-hypothesis as to what happened that day. I believe Fabio's face, as stunning as it is, managed to attract the goose which smashed into it on the roller coaster ride.
If anything it was an ill-conceived approach to the mating ritual. 
Being so handsome a goose tries to mate with your face on a roller coaster ride - evokes the kind of mental imagery I cannot help but find a tad bit humorous.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28421055 - 08/04/23 08:53 PM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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So perhaps when our ancestors' tribe was under threat, the person carrying the sadistic genes got up to bat and ultimately protected the tribe?
possibly 
While shy introverted Pythagoras hunches quietly under a tree working on his new formula for computing the area of a triangle, so the tribe can improve their spear and arrowhead manufacturing methodologies.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
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It sucks, the depths of it as one goes through life. Had my birthday and it means shit to me. My conscience, I didn't know at the time. Can't get rid of it and suicide won't allieviate the pain back then but it will be for me during my lifetime.
How much pain does one want to take in the world? Numbing oneself doesn't work over time. So I just feel it. Is life.
Can see through fake people easily. It doesn't matter because nothing will hurt as much as some life experiences I have had. People for the most pat don't see the larger picture and I was dumb to it for a long time.
I learned. The pain doesn't leave but is a lesson. The larger picture and eternity. I trust with a fuck you attitude to the world and to religion. I am loved by what matters no Jesus thing.
This world is so fucked up. But be glad if you can sense and feel that. Then you progress and in not meaningless ways. Is open to those that wake up. Your connection to everything.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
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the colonial piracy and slavery thing is kind of embedded in everything in the modern world. but instead of a do-over we have to some how turn it around, fix the environment, homelessness, poverty, health services, and education.
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The slavery thing was embedded in the ancient world too, relatively more so than the modern as a matter of generally accepted practice and percentages.
Although, there are probably more slaves today then ever simply due to population increases. USA/Europe is high on the freedom index.
Although, in lieu of slavery the greedy and power hungry find other ways to extract resources.
And somehow the powers that be can't fix homelessness but they can fix the atmosphere. Interesting.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said: The slavery thing was embedded in the ancient world too, relatively more so than the modern as a matter of generally accepted practice and percentages. ...
what kind of factual evidence is there of this, as far as I know, from various readings, slave taking was a degenerate practice.
Not all societies were male dominated, nor were they all warring tribes, nor were they all herding, fish farming, or cultivating. Many forms of living were turned into social norms locally, and slavery was not that big everywhere.
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redgreenvines said: nor were they all warring tribes
Roughly eighty percent of excavated human remains from the prehistoric Americas - children included - show signs of dying by being shot with arrows, lanced, axed, stabbed, or clubbed to death
In what is now Ghana, kings until a few hundred years ago built themselves thrones from hundreds of their slaves' skulls
Arab slavers would castrate all of the West and Central African men they took as slaves before marching them across the Sahara, with no anesthetic or disinfection - roughly ninety five percent of them died on the journey, but eunuchs were valuable enough that they still recouped their investment
After sacking a city, Tamerlane ordered the construction of a tower of 70,000 human skulls
The Great Wall of China is full of the bones of laborers who died building it
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: what kind of factual evidence is there of this, as far as I know, from various readings, slave taking was a degenerate practice.
Not all societies were male dominated, nor were they all warring tribes, nor were they all herding, fish farming, or cultivating. Many forms of living were turned into social norms locally, and slavery was not that big everywhere.
I'm not going to try and link to all the relevant information but it's not difficult to find. Sumeria, Egypt, Babylon, Japan, China, India, Persia, Greece, Rome, Mongolia, Maya, Inca, Aztec, Arab, Mali, Berbers, Jews, Vikings, etc.
There may be exceptions but it was generally pervasive and accepted when large populations developed. The Persians had a thriving slave trade going before Europe rose to power. Prior to that all great powers utilized slavery going back to the very first records of civilization.
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redgreenvines said: nor were they all warring tribes
Roughly eighty percent of excavated human remains from the prehistoric Americas - children included - show signs of dying by being shot with arrows, lanced, axed, stabbed, or clubbed to death
In what is now Ghana, kings until a few hundred years ago built themselves thrones from hundreds of their slaves' skulls
Arab slavers would castrate all of the West and Central African men they took as slaves before marching them across the Sahara, with no anesthetic or disinfection - roughly ninety five percent of them died on the journey, but eunuchs were valuable enough that they still recouped their investment
After sacking a city, Tamerlane ordered the construction of a tower of 70,000 human skulls
The Great Wall of China is full of the bones of laborers who died building it
I see why you might think that this was normal. How many years would these anecdotes cover, and what percentage of the world wide human population was living in daily purgatory that way.
My guess is a max of 30% of people were either enslaved or using slaves for a max 30% of the duration of the species which is assumed to be 60,000 years, most of which is not documented (oral tradition only).
However, during colonial expansion it was massively widespread, and generally considered to be the way things should be. India had the best organized caste system for a very long time, which could help to define what all the permutations of stratified human encounters might be (not that we really want to know).
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redgreenvines said: nor were they all warring tribes
Roughly eighty percent of excavated human remains from the prehistoric Americas - children included - show signs of dying by being shot with arrows, lanced, axed, stabbed, or clubbed to death
In what is now Ghana, kings until a few hundred years ago built themselves thrones from hundreds of their slaves' skulls
Arab slavers would castrate all of the West and Central African men they took as slaves before marching them across the Sahara, with no anesthetic or disinfection - roughly ninety five percent of them died on the journey, but eunuchs were valuable enough that they still recouped their investment
After sacking a city, Tamerlane ordered the construction of a tower of 70,000 human skulls
The Great Wall of China is full of the bones of laborers who died building it
I see why you might think that this was normal. How many years would these anecdotes cover, and what percentage of the world wide human population was living in daily purgatory that way.
My guess is a max of 30% of people were either enslaved or using slaves for a max 30% of the duration of the species which is assumed to be 60,000 years, most of which is not documented (oral tradition only).
However, during colonial expansion it was massively widespread, and generally considered to be the way things should be. India had the best organized caste system for a very long time, which could help to define what all the permutations of stratified human encounters might be (not that we really want to know).
I don't think slavery was the characteristic state of affairs in every human group throughout history. But it certainly has been a primary feature in virtually every large historical civilization about which we do have detailed records, from Mesoamerica to Rome to the Far East.
The trans-Atlantic slave trade associated with the European project of global colonial hegemony is among the first 'modern' mass moral horrors. But if it is exceptional, it's mainly because of the unprecedented technological capacity behind it (and thus scale), and the globe-spanning, human group mixing character of it, which along with its economic logic led to the formation of strange ideologies justifying it.
It certainly was not exceptional at all in terms of how humans have tended to treat other humans at any point in time. Get granular enough on any civilization, region, and time period about which we have a fair amount of information, and there is little but horror heaped atop horror. The lucky people have always been those groups who lived relatively anarchic and secluded lives while still possessing the means to live decent, if often short, lives.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Lion]
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The trans-Atlantic slave trade associated with the European project of global colonial hegemony is among the first 'modern' mass moral horrors.
Some historians claim there were African leaders (who became wealthy by trading slaves) who opposed (and tried to sabotage) the abolition of slavery in Britain. I've not been able to find much about it. Have you heard this?
Statistically, modern slavery is most prevalent in Africa. Many Americans are obsessed with US history and don't give a damn about the 40 million slaves that exist now. The fake outrage is laughable. Crying over history books instead of looking at the stark reality that exists today.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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nonsense, you have to attend to your self before you can attend to others. in this context it means deal with the problem here in your mind, your body, your country...
whataboutism which points to injustice elsewhere is not a fair defense for not taking those steps for which you are already prepared.
someone else may not yet be prepared, may not be informed, and may not even be in the least bit of control of the circumstances as well as you seem to be.
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I think the issue in the US is predominantly a political tool to demonize the other side. The only good play is to not play.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28425660 - 08/08/23 11:43 AM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: nonsense, you have to attend to your self before you can attend to others. in this context it means deal with the problem here in your mind, your body, your country...
whataboutism which points to injustice elsewhere is not a fair defense for not taking those steps for which you are already prepared.
someone else may not yet be prepared, may not be informed, and may not even be in the least bit of control of the circumstances as well as you seem to be.
What does that mean practically, though?
What is an individual's relationship to her or his country? What do we owe our countries and vice versa?
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28425664 - 08/08/23 11:48 AM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
whataboutism
This is the term used by people who are afraid to have a nuanced balanced conversation that encompasses a diverse range of related topics.
Many young blacks today are angry that they are still held in bondage by American slavery. They are mad that their white oppressors are still fighting against them. They proudly adopt the glorified victim role. They wear their victim identity as a badge of honor.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 2
#28425679 - 08/08/23 12:08 PM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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you must be kidding. me, afraid of nuance? is that how you see me?
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#28425788 - 08/08/23 02:10 PM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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No animal ever torments another for the mere purpose of tormenting, but man does it, and it is this that constitutes the diabolical feature in his character which is so much worse than the merely animal. ~Arthur Schopenhauer
Carl Jung said something about how, it's only the tortured who torture others. Perhaps that answers why people are cruel to each other, the oppressor is tormented, tortured, therefore, he gets malicious glee from saying or doing what he or she should know will cause a bad reaction in their vulnerable target.
What is our responsibility? How can we be responsible when we are reacting? I find I can only cope with knowing my vulnerabilities and arming myself against the present moment, the unexpected text message or visit, which at times can be oppressive and mean spirited.
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28425882 - 08/08/23 03:38 PM (5 months, 17 days ago) |
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disarm the present moment take up your guitar and unwind
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28429219 - 08/10/23 11:13 PM (5 months, 15 days ago) |
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Cory Duchesne said: Carl Jung said something about how, it's only the tortured who torture others. Perhaps that answers why people are cruel to each other, the oppressor is tormented, tortured, therefore, he gets malicious glee from saying or doing what he or she should know will cause a bad reaction in their vulnerable target.
On one hand humans are clearly the most evil things roaming this earth, and on the other we see other animals kill for pleasure all the time. We aren't alone in that trait, so we know it a trait. There are many traits buried in our genome that are illogical and malicious but they come up and we see the victims on the news. Humanity is a mixed bag, but what does seem to make us so special is that we can be aware of these impulses and weigh and measure and apply foresight, and that makes both our highs higher but our lows lower.
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What is our responsibility? How can we be responsible when we are reacting? I find I can only cope with knowing my vulnerabilities and arming myself against the present moment, the unexpected text message or visit, which at times can be oppressive and mean spirited.
Good, keep using your defenses and being aware of your impulses and over time you will either get very skilled with them or crafter better suited ones, and hopefully not need them at all. Having awareness is step one; I can't control an emotional response I am not aware I am having. Until that moment comes where I am aware of my own behavior, I am the behavior. Repeating the behavior and having a severe cognitive dissonance where I watch myself do the thing I hate to see, and can't un-see every time it happens, that's step one. From there I can at least see the problem I identify within myself and it becomes easier in my experience.
You got this. Just keep on truckin
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28431816 - 08/13/23 01:56 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Shit. I made people think. And debate. And have constructive communications with each other. Hope for the shroomery yet. Fungus reset.
Edited by Barnaby (08/13/23 02:06 AM)
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28434334 - 08/14/23 08:58 PM (5 months, 11 days ago) |
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Barnaby said: Fuck them.
Pretty much, but that doesn't stop them.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28436088 - 08/16/23 01:39 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
you must be kidding. me, afraid of nuance? is that how you see me?
Are you really trying to claim you embrace nuance in every aspect of life?

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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28436119 - 08/16/23 02:07 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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I have no idea where you are going with this line of questioning, but I am not into nuance in every aspect of life, are you? I favor what I favor, and I skip some unfavory parts.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#28437014 - 08/17/23 10:36 AM (5 months, 9 days ago) |
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"Schizophrenia" is a strategic label as "Jew" was in Nazi Germany. If you want to exclude people from the social order, you must justify this to others, but especially to yourself. So you invent a justificatory rhetoric. "Schizophrenia" is a strategic label as "Jew" was in Nazi Germany. If you want to exclude people from the social order, you must justify this to others, but especially to yourself. So you invent a justificatory rhetoric.That´s what the really nasty psychiatric words are all about: they are justificatory rhetoric, labelling a package "garbage", it means "take it away! Get it out of my sight!" etc.
That´s what the word "Jew" meant in Nazi Germany; it did not mean a person with a certain kind of religious belief. It meant "vermin!", "gas him!" I am afraid that "schizophrenic" and "sociopathic personality" and many other psychiatric diagnostic terms mean exactly the same thing; they mean "human garbage," "take him away!", "get him out of my sight." from: "Interview with Thomas Szasz" in The New Physician, 1969
https://www.iaapa.de/fake_science/quoted_thomas_szasz.htm
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne] 1
#28441754 - 08/21/23 01:16 PM (5 months, 5 days ago) |
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"When a man tortures himself he feels that it gives him a right to torture others, and inclines him to accept any system of dogma by which this right is fortified." ― Bertrand Russell, Ideas That Have Harmed Mankind (1946)
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28442011 - 08/21/23 05:56 PM (5 months, 4 days ago) |
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Cory Duchesne said: "When a man tortures himself he feels that it gives him a right to torture others, and inclines him to accept any system of dogma by which this right is fortified." ― Bertrand Russell, Ideas That Have Harmed Mankind (1946)
Yikes, beware the self flagellated hair shirt crew!
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28443339 - 08/22/23 11:08 PM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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Is amusing at times. When one searches for the truth through facts and humor, best way to do it in my opinion, and it is just derision and mocking, just a lot of basically mean spirited people, what is the point.
That is what I have noticed in life among many things. Sense of humor is gone in those that are endlessly miserable and just mean. And nothing good in them. Their joy is something of a vibe and hard heart that is for many impossible to get back to love and good will among others.
Not complicated. I am the one being lifted up from drowning in it. Like so many in the world but what this woman did for me today, she has my gratitude. She shifted a lot. Just by her countenance.
No secret to it, spiritual law is what it is and felt a guy checking in one working the Salt Palace and it is was, wow, like a blast. What I felt today in a different way and just a change in trajectory in life.
I thought insight and plants and bark would just do it for me. Row the boat. And the amusing thing is, she, for the most part just unconsciously just shifted it.
Whatever assists one to progress in life in ways that matter, all for it. Everyone has their own life experience.
It all comes down to humility and surrender. No religion required. The hero's journey. It really hurts DEEPLY. Homer. Lol. I know I will do it and all it will do over time is awaken people but that is all I am offered to do now and it sucks. My greed and fakeness. Is easy to see now. Really is the only thing I will feel my life has mattered since I turned down what I once was offered to do that mattered in the Great Grand Scheme of Things.
Pentinance. Fuck you DMT. For showing me who I really am. That is the thing, it knows no time. Not talking about the short blast. That seems boring to me now for some reason. Just sorting things, mind, body, and spirit.
I was looked at by her today and it wasn't horrible, yet she could see right through me. Levels of power that matter in the world and not the fake crap in it. She can't change what was offered spiritually that really mattered and we understood. Just, with a lot of mercy in it. Spritual law. Never think religion has a trademark on it, I taught her as well.
Just not that afraid anymore. Even with being tortured. How many are now? And have been? Fuck it.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby] 2
#28443488 - 08/23/23 06:37 AM (5 months, 3 days ago) |
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the self is often a mess of sticky tape with crap stuck to it by the mere fact of exposure. try not to take it seriously, glue is clingy and that is nature.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby] 1
#28444106 - 08/23/23 04:23 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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On the subject of humor, perhaps have a chuckle with me.
Social Media Training with Jordan Peterson
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28444112 - 08/23/23 04:29 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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Jordan Peterson PROFOUND advice
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
#28444244 - 08/23/23 06:16 PM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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I think what Cory the Dick is trying to say is fuck the mods.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28444675 - 08/24/23 04:45 AM (5 months, 2 days ago) |
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Jordan Peterson reveals his favorite movie of ALL TIME
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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