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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #28425679 - 08/08/23 12:08 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

you must be kidding.
me, afraid of nuance?
is that how you see me?


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28425788 - 08/08/23 02:10 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

No animal ever torments another for the mere purpose of tormenting, but man does it, and it is this that constitutes the diabolical feature in his character which is so much worse than the merely animal.
~Arthur Schopenhauer

Carl Jung said something about how, it's only the tortured who torture others. Perhaps that answers why people are cruel to each other, the oppressor is tormented, tortured, therefore, he gets malicious glee from saying or doing what he or she should know will cause a bad reaction in their vulnerable target. 

What is our responsibility? How can we be responsible when we are reacting? I find I can only cope with knowing my vulnerabilities and arming myself against the present moment, the unexpected text message or visit, which at times can be oppressive and mean spirited.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28425882 - 08/08/23 03:38 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

disarm the present moment
take up your guitar and unwind


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28429219 - 08/10/23 11:13 PM (5 months, 15 days ago)

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Carl Jung said something about how, it's only the tortured who torture others. Perhaps that answers why people are cruel to each other, the oppressor is tormented, tortured, therefore, he gets malicious glee from saying or doing what he or she should know will cause a bad reaction in their vulnerable target. 




On one hand humans are clearly the most evil things roaming this earth, and on the other we see other animals kill for pleasure all the time. We aren't alone in that trait, so we know it a trait. There are many traits buried in our genome that are illogical and malicious but they come up and we see the victims on the news. Humanity is a mixed bag, but what does seem to make us so special is that we can be aware of these impulses and weigh and measure and apply foresight, and that makes both our highs higher but our lows lower.

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What is our responsibility? How can we be responsible when we are reacting? I find I can only cope with knowing my vulnerabilities and arming myself against the present moment, the unexpected text message or visit, which at times can be oppressive and mean spirited.




Good, keep using your defenses and being aware of your impulses and over time you will either get very skilled with them or crafter better suited ones, and hopefully not need them at all. Having awareness is step one; I can't control an emotional response I am not aware I am having. Until that moment comes where I am aware of my own behavior, I am the behavior. Repeating the behavior and having a severe cognitive dissonance where I watch myself do the thing I hate to see, and can't un-see every time it happens, that's step one. From there I can at least see the problem I identify within myself and it becomes easier in my experience.

You got this. Just keep on truckin
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
    #28431816 - 08/13/23 01:56 AM (5 months, 13 days ago)

Shit.  I made people think.  And debate.  And have constructive communications with each other.  Hope for the shroomery yet.  Fungus reset.


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
    #28434334 - 08/14/23 08:58 PM (5 months, 11 days ago)

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Fuck them.





Pretty much, but that doesn't stop them.


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28436088 - 08/16/23 01:39 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

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you must be kidding.
me, afraid of nuance?
is that how you see me?




Are you really trying to claim you embrace nuance in every aspect of life?

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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28436119 - 08/16/23 02:07 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

I have no idea where you are going with this line of questioning, but I am not into nuance in every aspect of life, are you?
I favor what I favor, and I skip some unfavory parts.


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28437014 - 08/17/23 10:36 AM (5 months, 9 days ago)

"Schizophrenia" is a strategic label as "Jew" was in Nazi Germany. If you want to exclude people from the social order, you must justify this to others, but especially to yourself. So you invent a justificatory rhetoric. "Schizophrenia" is a strategic label as "Jew" was in Nazi Germany.
If you want to exclude people from the social order, you must justify this to others, but especially to yourself. So you invent a justificatory rhetoric.That´s what the really nasty psychiatric words are all about: they are justificatory rhetoric, labelling a package "garbage", it means "take it away! Get it out of my sight!" etc.

That´s what the word "Jew" meant in Nazi Germany; it did not mean a person with a certain kind of religious belief. It meant "vermin!", "gas him!" I am afraid that "schizophrenic" and "sociopathic personality" and many other psychiatric diagnostic terms mean exactly the same thing; they mean "human garbage," "take him away!", "get him out of my sight."
from: "Interview with Thomas Szasz" in The New Physician, 1969

https://www.iaapa.de/fake_science/quoted_thomas_szasz.htm


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne] * 1
    #28441754 - 08/21/23 01:16 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)

"When a man tortures himself he feels that it gives him a right to torture others, and inclines him to accept any system of dogma by which this right is fortified."
― Bertrand Russell, Ideas That Have Harmed Mankind (1946)


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28442011 - 08/21/23 05:56 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

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"When a man tortures himself he feels that it gives him a right to torture others, and inclines him to accept any system of dogma by which this right is fortified."
― Bertrand Russell, Ideas That Have Harmed Mankind (1946)



Yikes,
beware the self flagellated hair shirt crew!


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
    #28443339 - 08/22/23 11:08 PM (5 months, 3 days ago)

Is amusing at times.  When one searches for the truth through facts and humor, best way to do it in my opinion, and it is just derision and mocking, just a lot of basically mean spirited people, what is the point.

That is what I have noticed in life among many things.  Sense of humor is gone in those that are endlessly miserable and just mean.  And nothing good in them.  Their joy is something of a vibe and hard heart that is for many impossible to get back to love and good will among others.

Not complicated.  I am the one being lifted up from drowning in it.  Like so many in the world but what this woman did for me today, she has my gratitude.  She shifted a lot.  Just by her countenance. 

No secret to it, spiritual law is what it is and felt a guy checking in one working the Salt Palace and it is was, wow, like a blast.  What I felt today in a different way and just a change in trajectory in life.


I thought insight and plants and bark would just do it for me.  Row the boat.  And the amusing thing is, she, for the most part just unconsciously just shifted it. 

Whatever assists one to progress in life in ways that matter, all for it.  Everyone has their own life experience. 

It all comes down to humility and surrender.  No religion required.  The hero's journey.  It really hurts DEEPLY.  Homer.  Lol.  I know I will do it and all it will do over time is awaken people but that is all I am offered to do now and it sucks.  My greed and fakeness.  Is easy to see now.  Really is the only thing I will feel my life has mattered since I turned down what I once was offered to do that mattered in the Great Grand Scheme of Things.

Pentinance.  Fuck you DMT.  For showing me who I really am.  That is the thing, it knows no time.  Not talking about the short blast.  That seems boring to me now for some reason.  Just sorting things, mind, body, and spirit. 

I was looked at by her today and it wasn't horrible, yet she could see right through me.  Levels of power that matter in the world and not the fake crap in it.  She can't change what was offered spiritually that really mattered and we understood.  Just, with a lot of mercy in it.  Spritual law.  Never think religion has a trademark on it, I taught her as well. 

Just not that afraid anymore.  Even with being tortured.  How many are now?  And have been?  Fuck it.


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby] * 2
    #28443488 - 08/23/23 06:37 AM (5 months, 3 days ago)

the self is often a mess of sticky tape with crap stuck to it by the mere fact of exposure.
try not to take it seriously, glue is clingy and that is nature.


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby] * 1
    #28444106 - 08/23/23 04:23 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

On the subject of humor, perhaps have a chuckle with me.

Social Media Training with Jordan Peterson



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
    #28444112 - 08/23/23 04:29 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

Jordan Peterson PROFOUND advice



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28444244 - 08/23/23 06:16 PM (5 months, 2 days ago)

I think what Cory the Dick is trying to say is fuck the mods.:murray:


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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
    #28444675 - 08/24/23 04:45 AM (5 months, 2 days ago)

Jordan Peterson reveals his favorite movie of ALL TIME



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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