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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28418207 - 08/03/23 04:11 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Moses_Davidson said: When self esteem is based on comparison, demeaning others elevates the self. The net result is akin to lowering the standard by which one believes others judge.
This is the same reason so many people were smugly pleased to see Fabio get hit in the face by a goose while on a roller coaster.

I think if we are all introspective, we have all been secretly pleased to hear the news that someone else has had something bad happen to them.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#28419889 - 08/04/23 12:19 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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So perhaps when our ancestors' tribe was under threat, the person carrying the sadistic genes got up to bat and ultimately protected the tribe?
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28420071 - 08/04/23 06:12 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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The Blind Ass said:

What a mean old goose
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28420078 - 08/04/23 06:26 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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War and pain in service of the like-minded. What's on channel 2? Nesting dolls limited in their scope and influence by habitual practices. Who has the remote?
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The Blind Ass
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28420304 - 08/04/23 10:05 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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What a mean old goose
I subscribe to an alt-hypothesis as to what happened that day. I believe Fabio's face, as stunning as it is, managed to attract the goose which smashed into it on the roller coaster ride.
If anything it was an ill-conceived approach to the mating ritual. 
Being so handsome a goose tries to mate with your face on a roller coaster ride - evokes the kind of mental imagery I cannot help but find a tad bit humorous.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28421055 - 08/04/23 08:53 PM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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Moses_Davidson said:
So perhaps when our ancestors' tribe was under threat, the person carrying the sadistic genes got up to bat and ultimately protected the tribe?
possibly 
While shy introverted Pythagoras hunches quietly under a tree working on his new formula for computing the area of a triangle, so the tribe can improve their spear and arrowhead manufacturing methodologies.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28421415 - 08/05/23 05:33 AM (5 months, 21 days ago) |
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troglodytes - most of them, and lemmings, but you gotta love 'em.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28422909 - 08/06/23 10:17 AM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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It sucks, the depths of it as one goes through life. Had my birthday and it means shit to me. My conscience, I didn't know at the time. Can't get rid of it and suicide won't allieviate the pain back then but it will be for me during my lifetime.
How much pain does one want to take in the world? Numbing oneself doesn't work over time. So I just feel it. Is life.
Can see through fake people easily. It doesn't matter because nothing will hurt as much as some life experiences I have had. People for the most pat don't see the larger picture and I was dumb to it for a long time.
I learned. The pain doesn't leave but is a lesson. The larger picture and eternity. I trust with a fuck you attitude to the world and to religion. I am loved by what matters no Jesus thing.
This world is so fucked up. But be glad if you can sense and feel that. Then you progress and in not meaningless ways. Is open to those that wake up. Your connection to everything.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Barnaby]
#28423144 - 08/06/23 02:03 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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the colonial piracy and slavery thing is kind of embedded in everything in the modern world. but instead of a do-over we have to some how turn it around, fix the environment, homelessness, poverty, health services, and education.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28424145 - 08/07/23 11:01 AM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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The slavery thing was embedded in the ancient world too, relatively more so than the modern as a matter of generally accepted practice and percentages.
Although, there are probably more slaves today then ever simply due to population increases. USA/Europe is high on the freedom index.
Although, in lieu of slavery the greedy and power hungry find other ways to extract resources.
And somehow the powers that be can't fix homelessness but they can fix the atmosphere. Interesting.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Rahz]
#28424154 - 08/07/23 11:07 AM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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Rahz said: The slavery thing was embedded in the ancient world too, relatively more so than the modern as a matter of generally accepted practice and percentages. ...
what kind of factual evidence is there of this, as far as I know, from various readings, slave taking was a degenerate practice.
Not all societies were male dominated, nor were they all warring tribes, nor were they all herding, fish farming, or cultivating. Many forms of living were turned into social norms locally, and slavery was not that big everywhere.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28424234 - 08/07/23 11:36 AM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: nor were they all warring tribes
Roughly eighty percent of excavated human remains from the prehistoric Americas - children included - show signs of dying by being shot with arrows, lanced, axed, stabbed, or clubbed to death
In what is now Ghana, kings until a few hundred years ago built themselves thrones from hundreds of their slaves' skulls
Arab slavers would castrate all of the West and Central African men they took as slaves before marching them across the Sahara, with no anesthetic or disinfection - roughly ninety five percent of them died on the journey, but eunuchs were valuable enough that they still recouped their investment
After sacking a city, Tamerlane ordered the construction of a tower of 70,000 human skulls
The Great Wall of China is full of the bones of laborers who died building it
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28424287 - 08/07/23 12:39 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: what kind of factual evidence is there of this, as far as I know, from various readings, slave taking was a degenerate practice.
Not all societies were male dominated, nor were they all warring tribes, nor were they all herding, fish farming, or cultivating. Many forms of living were turned into social norms locally, and slavery was not that big everywhere.
I'm not going to try and link to all the relevant information but it's not difficult to find. Sumeria, Egypt, Babylon, Japan, China, India, Persia, Greece, Rome, Mongolia, Maya, Inca, Aztec, Arab, Mali, Berbers, Jews, Vikings, etc.
There may be exceptions but it was generally pervasive and accepted when large populations developed. The Persians had a thriving slave trade going before Europe rose to power. Prior to that all great powers utilized slavery going back to the very first records of civilization.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Lion]
#28424339 - 08/07/23 01:26 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: nor were they all warring tribes
Roughly eighty percent of excavated human remains from the prehistoric Americas - children included - show signs of dying by being shot with arrows, lanced, axed, stabbed, or clubbed to death
In what is now Ghana, kings until a few hundred years ago built themselves thrones from hundreds of their slaves' skulls
Arab slavers would castrate all of the West and Central African men they took as slaves before marching them across the Sahara, with no anesthetic or disinfection - roughly ninety five percent of them died on the journey, but eunuchs were valuable enough that they still recouped their investment
After sacking a city, Tamerlane ordered the construction of a tower of 70,000 human skulls
The Great Wall of China is full of the bones of laborers who died building it
I see why you might think that this was normal. How many years would these anecdotes cover, and what percentage of the world wide human population was living in daily purgatory that way.
My guess is a max of 30% of people were either enslaved or using slaves for a max 30% of the duration of the species which is assumed to be 60,000 years, most of which is not documented (oral tradition only).
However, during colonial expansion it was massively widespread, and generally considered to be the way things should be. India had the best organized caste system for a very long time, which could help to define what all the permutations of stratified human encounters might be (not that we really want to know).
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28424358 - 08/07/23 01:45 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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Lion said:
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redgreenvines said: nor were they all warring tribes
Roughly eighty percent of excavated human remains from the prehistoric Americas - children included - show signs of dying by being shot with arrows, lanced, axed, stabbed, or clubbed to death
In what is now Ghana, kings until a few hundred years ago built themselves thrones from hundreds of their slaves' skulls
Arab slavers would castrate all of the West and Central African men they took as slaves before marching them across the Sahara, with no anesthetic or disinfection - roughly ninety five percent of them died on the journey, but eunuchs were valuable enough that they still recouped their investment
After sacking a city, Tamerlane ordered the construction of a tower of 70,000 human skulls
The Great Wall of China is full of the bones of laborers who died building it
I see why you might think that this was normal. How many years would these anecdotes cover, and what percentage of the world wide human population was living in daily purgatory that way.
My guess is a max of 30% of people were either enslaved or using slaves for a max 30% of the duration of the species which is assumed to be 60,000 years, most of which is not documented (oral tradition only).
However, during colonial expansion it was massively widespread, and generally considered to be the way things should be. India had the best organized caste system for a very long time, which could help to define what all the permutations of stratified human encounters might be (not that we really want to know).
I don't think slavery was the characteristic state of affairs in every human group throughout history. But it certainly has been a primary feature in virtually every large historical civilization about which we do have detailed records, from Mesoamerica to Rome to the Far East.
The trans-Atlantic slave trade associated with the European project of global colonial hegemony is among the first 'modern' mass moral horrors. But if it is exceptional, it's mainly because of the unprecedented technological capacity behind it (and thus scale), and the globe-spanning, human group mixing character of it, which along with its economic logic led to the formation of strange ideologies justifying it.
It certainly was not exceptional at all in terms of how humans have tended to treat other humans at any point in time. Get granular enough on any civilization, region, and time period about which we have a fair amount of information, and there is little but horror heaped atop horror. The lucky people have always been those groups who lived relatively anarchic and secluded lives while still possessing the means to live decent, if often short, lives.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: Lion]
#28425602 - 08/08/23 10:58 AM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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The trans-Atlantic slave trade associated with the European project of global colonial hegemony is among the first 'modern' mass moral horrors.
Some historians claim there were African leaders (who became wealthy by trading slaves) who opposed (and tried to sabotage) the abolition of slavery in Britain. I've not been able to find much about it. Have you heard this?
Statistically, modern slavery is most prevalent in Africa. Many Americans are obsessed with US history and don't give a damn about the 40 million slaves that exist now. The fake outrage is laughable. Crying over history books instead of looking at the stark reality that exists today.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28425630 - 08/08/23 11:11 AM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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nonsense, you have to attend to your self before you can attend to others. in this context it means deal with the problem here in your mind, your body, your country...
whataboutism which points to injustice elsewhere is not a fair defense for not taking those steps for which you are already prepared.
someone else may not yet be prepared, may not be informed, and may not even be in the least bit of control of the circumstances as well as you seem to be.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines] 2
#28425656 - 08/08/23 11:38 AM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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I think the issue in the US is predominantly a political tool to demonize the other side. The only good play is to not play.
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28425660 - 08/08/23 11:43 AM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: nonsense, you have to attend to your self before you can attend to others. in this context it means deal with the problem here in your mind, your body, your country...
whataboutism which points to injustice elsewhere is not a fair defense for not taking those steps for which you are already prepared.
someone else may not yet be prepared, may not be informed, and may not even be in the least bit of control of the circumstances as well as you seem to be.
What does that mean practically, though?
What is an individual's relationship to her or his country? What do we owe our countries and vice versa?
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Re: Why do some people in life just enjoy trying to make people miserable? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28425664 - 08/08/23 11:48 AM (5 months, 18 days ago) |
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whataboutism
This is the term used by people who are afraid to have a nuanced balanced conversation that encompasses a diverse range of related topics.
Many young blacks today are angry that they are still held in bondage by American slavery. They are mad that their white oppressors are still fighting against them. They proudly adopt the glorified victim role. They wear their victim identity as a badge of honor.
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