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Whats are some of more visual cube strains?
    #2840786 - 06/29/04 05:15 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

From the strains you grew of cubes what are the most visual trip using near standard doses?
Whast the more visual strains
You may choose many


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2840803 - 06/29/04 05:21 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

man i voted for all of them hahahah


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Citric]
    #2840890 - 06/29/04 05:43 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

why are you calling me a noob i find that if grown the excact same way are just as potant


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2840935 - 06/29/04 05:57 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

they all seem the same to me...if you want more visuals take more :laugh:

EDIT: ever notice how everyone who believes the strains are different seems to have a different opinion about which is more visual or more in the body etc


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #2840942 - 06/29/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I guess ther just stoner rumors that certian strains are more though or some are more visual.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2840964 - 06/29/04 06:09 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I guess ther just stoner rumors that certian strains are more though or some are more visual.




prove it =]


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: hugo]
    #2841105 - 06/29/04 07:06 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

A Cubensis is a Cubensis. Psilocybin does one thing; break down into psilocin. Psilocin blocks serotonin receptors, there is no different way around it, so all psilocin and psilocybin are exactly the same, no matter what the source. Now, one can ingest it at accelerated speeds by holding it in the mouth, or some may prolong the onset by barely chewing it and letting your stomach do the digesting. From there, there are many more different variables that will affect what happens to you. For the most part, it's the setting. Lots of different lights sources (such as having many different lit lamps in one room) will make things extroadinarily visual. In the dark, you are much more likely to hallucinate, seeing as your eyes are so dilated, the effects of psilocin are very easily felt. Also, your diet will affect the chemistry of your trip. Have you ever heard anybody say if somebody is having a bad trip, give them some candy? Sugar releases serotonin, and that's usually what plays in the effect of the high and fall of the sugar rush. Some good candy always offers a huge relief to a bad trip, even if you are still tripping. Hell, even a slice of cake, or anything sweet is good.

Also, take a look at your diet beforehand. Are you eating foods that are high in tryptamines? This could raise your tolerance above normal due to the higher levels of serotonin these foods cause.

The only exception to this is when you include mushrooms containing baeocystin in the analysis. 'They' (referring to those great people that figure this kind of shit out) haven't discovered what exactly the effects of baeocystin are, but are pretty sure that it is psychoactive.

For most of you veterans out there, one word can explain it all. Azurenscens. With levels of the psilo's over 2% and baeocystin at nearly .5%, one could only imagine the superior trip of this amazing psilocybe. A good 2 grams would be a real blast into outer space.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Citric]
    #2841220 - 06/29/04 08:02 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with you Domey, except each substrain is different too. Not just each strain... so B+ could give 5 different results to 5 different cultivators.

Orissa India is very visual too.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Trique]
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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Rose]
    #2841260 - 06/29/04 08:21 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

it's all in your mind set and mood.I've eat'in the same strain from the same flush and had different affects.Psilocybin is a drug it does what is does.a strain can be more or less potent depending on how it was grown and some strains may just produce alittle more psilocybin, which will give you fluctulating doses causeing a more or less intense trip, but it all still goes back to your mood and mind set your surroundings everything plays a small part in the out come of your experience. IME all cubensis strains are so close togather potenty wise i couldn't choose one ultimate bad ass wigg your nuts off strain.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: doc34]
    #2841314 - 06/29/04 08:43 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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What will happen after consumption of the mushrooms is strongly dependent upon the setting and the mood as well as psychological make-up of the individual. Psilocybe cubensis is very variable in potency, generally ranging from 0.1% to 0.5% active ingredients by dry weight.




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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? *DELETED* [Re: Citric]
    #2841352 - 06/29/04 08:55 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Citric]
    #2841392 - 06/29/04 09:09 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

domey hes right.... except that psilocin breaks down into baeocystin. Therefor, no matter how much original psilocybin/in there was it will all break down into baeocystin making the trips results of the actual chemicals all the same.... its mood/setting that alters it. its all placebo... you think your gunna see visuals you probably will. You think its going to be a body type stone, it probably will be. Its all in the mind.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2841442 - 06/29/04 09:20 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

A cube is a cube i say. Psilocybin is gonna have the same affect no matter what what strain the mushroom you take is called....

The difference betweed strains is different amounts of the chemical, NOT different chemicals.

Wheteher or not you get visuals depends more on the grow method, substrate, drying method, and mind set than strain. Strain is the least important of all conditions to get a powerful shroom.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2841477 - 06/29/04 09:28 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

And weed is weed.

Cubes are what you make of them. If you think each strain and substrain is different, they are. Where's the fun in thinking they're all the same?

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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: freakygurl]
    #2841513 - 06/29/04 09:41 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilocin is a molecule. There's no such thing as "speedy" psilocin, and "visual" psilocin


Exctally, with weed there are dozens of chemicals that are active thus different "highs"

I alos like what cervantes said "Where's the fun in thinking they're all the same?" If different strains give different kinds of trips then shroom growing is funner and spore sales higher....But if all strains produce the same old Psilo. molecule, then its not as exciting or profitable.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: charvo]
    #2841661 - 06/29/04 10:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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it's all in your mind set and mood.I've eat'in the same strain from the same flush and had different affects.Psilocybin is a drug it does what is does.a strain can be more or less potent depending on how it was grown and some strains may just produce alittle more psilocybin, which will give you fluctulating doses causeing a more or less intense trip, but it all still goes back to your mood and mind set your surroundings everything plays a small part in the out come of your experience. IME all cubensis strains are so close togather potenty wise i couldn't choose one ultimate bad ass wigg your nuts off strain.




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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: hugo]
    #2841689 - 06/29/04 10:35 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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hugo said:
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it's all in your mind set and mood.I've eat'in the same strain from the same flush and had different affects.Psilocybin is a drug it does what is does.a strain can be more or less potent depending on how it was grown and some strains may just produce alittle more psilocybin, which will give you fluctulating doses causeing a more or less intense trip, but it all still goes back to your mood and mind set your surroundings everything plays a small part in the out come of your experience. IME all cubensis strains are so close togather potenty wise i couldn't choose one ultimate bad ass wigg your nuts off strain.




i agree =]


I also agree...i wish there was one ultimate bad ass wigg your nuts off strain, but if there was it would quickly be the only strain people grew...


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2841715 - 06/29/04 10:44 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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A cube is a cube i say. Psilocybin is gonna have the same affect no matter what what strain the mushroom you take is called....

The difference betweed strains is different amounts of the chemical, NOT different chemicals.




I dunno. On one hand, yeah, psilo* is psilo*. On the other hand, THC is THC. So why do some different strains of marijuana have different effects? Different levels of other actives in the plant material....


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Sev]
    #2841760 - 06/29/04 10:54 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

They have diffrent CBD levels, that blocks certian parts of the high making the sativ-indica stones. Weed is not weed, genetics plays a large role in the high.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2841773 - 06/29/04 10:57 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'd also like to note the reason for growing different strains is for the physical differences along with other factors(pinset, weight etc)..I've tried a lot of strains as well as other ppl I know and they are all the same...I would rather they be different but the fact of the matter is there not


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Sev]
    #2841924 - 06/29/04 11:31 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I dunno.  On one hand, yeah, psilo* is psilo*.  On the other hand, THC is THC.  So why do some different strains of marijuana have different effects?  Different levels of other actives in the plant material....




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with weed there are dozens of chemicals that are active thus different "highs"


Im no chemist, but this seems logical to me  :shrug:


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2842023 - 06/29/04 11:51 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

As much as I hate to say it psilocybin is psilocybin, psilocin is psilocin, baeocystin is baeocystin and they all pretty much do the same thing. That having been said I still find certain strains my favorites.
Now the chems in weed, thc, cbn, cbd, thcv, cbdv, cbv, all have different effects. Smoke high in cbn is usually burn out weed and so on. Different strains of smoke have different amounts of these chems which effect the high and the length of it.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #2842519 - 06/30/04 03:14 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

"EDIT: ever notice how everyone who believes the strains are different seems to have a different opinion about which is more visual or more in the body etc"

This COULD be true(I'm just not sure) I assume that different strains of cubes might have slightly different ammounts of Psilocybin Psilocin and Beaocystin.

Therefore, leading to (slightly)different trips.(until there is science on the subject we can only guess/ go on what each other has to say)

For example I find Psilocybe Beaocystis(not a cube, I know) has a large body load(the beaocystin) but they are super potent!!, (large ammounts of Psilocybin, Psilocycin)

I love BC :grin:
(key word "SLIGHTLY" different trips)......but like I said, I am not sure, maybe after grandma grows over 20 strains , she can figure out where the truth lies, or after she becomes a Mycologist and tests strains herself. :thumbup:


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2842569 - 06/30/04 03:45 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

>Exctally, with weed there are dozens of chemicals that are active thus different "highs"

There are also more chemicals in mushrooms than only psilocybin and psilocin.
It is not unreasonable to think that the different levels of those other chemicals can have an altering effects on the trip.

Here are some of the other chemicals present in Psilocybe mushrooms.


Indole derivative Amount (ug)

5-Benzyloxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4
Gramine 40
3-Hydroxyethyl indole 2
5-Hydroxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
5-Hydroxyindole 4
3-Hydroxymethylindole 2
5-Hydroxytryptamine creatine sulfate [aka Serotonin] 4
5-Hydroxytryptophane 2
Indole 4
3-Indoleacetamide 2
3-Indole acetic acid 2
3-Indoleacetic acid ethyl ester 2
3-Indoleacetonitrile 2
3-Indolealdehyde 40
3-Indoleacetaldehyde 2
3-Indolecarboxylic acid 4
3-Indolelactic acid 2
gamma-(Indole)-N-butyric acid 4
beta-Indole-3-acrylic acid 2
beta-(Indole-3)-propionic acid 4
Indoxylacetate 2
Indoxylbutyrate 2
Isatin 2
5-Methoxy-2-carboxyindole 2
5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4
5-Methoxyindole 4
2-Methylindole 2
3-Methylindole 4
5-Methylindole 4
5-Methyltryptophane 2
N-Methyltryptophane 2
Tryptamine hydrochloride 4
L-Tryptophane 0.8
From: A.Y. Leung, A.H. Smith & A.G. Paul,
"Production of Psilocybin in Psilocybe baeocystis Saprophytic Culture"
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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2843145 - 06/30/04 10:20 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I donno about everyone else, but I grew GT on verm/brf cased, and it was not too darn potent, I never took shrooms in almost half a year and I took a gram and felt almost nothing, 3 grams would have been a fair trip though i think.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2843207 - 06/30/04 10:57 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know why but I do get a consistant type of trip from Philospher Stones and John Allen strain. The Stones are definitely my favorite.
While I understand how some on this thread are saying Psilocybin is Psilocybin, etc but I definitely have a distinct high with these two strains.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: freakygurl]
    #2843917 - 06/30/04 02:34 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: spock]
    #2844680 - 06/30/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i think that it depends on how they were grown and if you used an isolate becouse its not fair to compare multi-spore vers iso-myco

and you cant compare a fungi to a plant becouse plants seem to be more stable

with shrooms each shrooms can be called a new sub-strain


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: hugo]
    #2844685 - 06/30/04 06:36 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i think that gram for gram there all just as good but i find that size and pin sets are what varrys the most


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: onetime]
    #2846018 - 07/01/04 02:03 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I can only repeat myself here:

There are more chemicals in mushrooms than only psilocybin and psilocin.
Those other chemicals might not have an immediate effect if isolated and used by themselves, but is not unreasonable to think that the different levels of those other chemicals can have an altering effects on the trip. Just like there are interactions of various (medicinal) drugs when taken together which produce various (partially undesirable) effects, the trip could be altered by those other substances in combination by the main active substances psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin.

Here are some of the other chemicals present in Psilocybe mushrooms.


Indole derivative Amount (ug)

5-Benzyloxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4
Gramine 40
3-Hydroxyethyl indole 2
5-Hydroxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
5-Hydroxyindole 4
3-Hydroxymethylindole 2
5-Hydroxytryptamine creatine sulfate [aka Serotonin] 4
5-Hydroxytryptophane 2
Indole 4
3-Indoleacetamide 2
3-Indole acetic acid 2
3-Indoleacetic acid ethyl ester 2
3-Indoleacetonitrile 2
3-Indolealdehyde 40
3-Indoleacetaldehyde 2
3-Indolecarboxylic acid 4
3-Indolelactic acid 2
gamma-(Indole)-N-butyric acid 4
beta-Indole-3-acrylic acid 2
beta-(Indole-3)-propionic acid 4
Indoxylacetate 2
Indoxylbutyrate 2
Isatin 2
5-Methoxy-2-carboxyindole 2
5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4
5-Methoxyindole 4
2-Methylindole 2
3-Methylindole 4
5-Methylindole 4
5-Methyltryptophane 2
N-Methyltryptophane 2
Tryptamine hydrochloride 4
L-Tryptophane 0.8
From: A.Y. Leung, A.H. Smith & A.G. Paul,
"Production of Psilocybin in Psilocybe baeocystis Saprophytic Culture"
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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Citric]
    #2846085 - 07/01/04 02:30 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Domey said:
I never said the psilocin is speedy, learn to read.





I don't thin that's the point he was trying to portray. He wasn't actually saying that you made that statement. He was simply giving a broad example.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Rose]
    #2846093 - 07/01/04 02:32 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
And weed is weed.





Now on that one...I've got to disagree.
I've seen strains that were heavy resonators, very sticky, huge colas.
And I've seen strains that were the complete opposite.

I dont believe, however, that one strain of weed may be a "mellow high", a "speedy high", or what have you.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: mycoguy]
    #2846112 - 07/01/04 02:39 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

>I dont believe, however, that one strain of weed may be a "mellow high", a "speedy high", or what have you.

Then you should try some different sorts of weed, and you will notice that this realy is the case.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2846258 - 07/01/04 04:54 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Which brand of alcohol makes you more drunk?


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Anno]
    #2846625 - 07/01/04 08:45 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Here are some of the other chemicals present in Psilocybe mushrooms.

<pre>
Indole derivative Amount (ug)

5-Benzyloxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4
Gramine 40
3-Hydroxyethyl indole 2
5-Hydroxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
5-Hydroxyindole 4
3-Hydroxymethylindole 2
5-Hydroxytryptamine creatine sulfate [aka Serotonin] 4
5-Hydroxytryptophane 2
Indole 4
3-Indoleacetamide 2
3-Indole acetic acid 2
3-Indoleacetic acid ethyl ester 2
3-Indoleacetonitrile 2
3-Indolealdehyde 40
3-Indoleacetaldehyde 2
3-Indolecarboxylic acid 4
3-Indolelactic acid 2
gamma-(Indole)-N-butyric acid 4
beta-Indole-3-acrylic acid 2
beta-(Indole-3)-propionic acid 4
Indoxylacetate 2
Indoxylbutyrate 2
Isatin 2
5-Methoxy-2-carboxyindole 2
5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4
5-Methoxyindole 4
2-Methylindole 2
3-Methylindole 4
5-Methylindole 4
5-Methyltryptophane 2
N-Methyltryptophane 2
Tryptamine hydrochloride 4
L-Tryptophane 0.8
From: A.Y. Leung, A.H. Smith & A.G. Paul,
"Production of Psilocybin in Psilocybe baeocystis Saprophytic Culture"
J Pharm Sci 54: 1576 (1965)
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These are what, ug per gram of wet weight, or what?
Those are very, very, very small numbers.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2847579 - 07/01/04 01:57 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I prefer Mazatapec - but would have to agree with most of the opinions that it is more mind set and setting, and proper dosing, that determines the outcome. I get a really nice jouney from about 4 grams (dried) of my Mazzies.....


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: flybynite]
    #2847879 - 07/01/04 03:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

DO WE HAVE TO ARGUE THIS EVERYDAY??!?!


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: mockeylock]
    #2847988 - 07/01/04 04:00 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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mockeylock said:
These are what, ug per gram of wet weight, or what?
Those are very, very, very small numbers.


Thats exctally what i was thinking...And I noticed Anno didnt specifically mention what effect these chemicals have, which lead me to believe there effect is unknown...I always though LSD was basically the only chemical strong enough to get you high at microgram levels, I guess i was wrong  :crazy:


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DO WE HAVE TO ARGUE THIS EVERYDAY??!?!


:yesnod:

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Which brand of alcohol makes you more drunk?


Everclear  :cool:


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: sic8]
    #2848273 - 07/01/04 05:19 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Which brand of alcohol makes you more drunk?




since we got eh fact that diffrent strains can have diffrnet contesnts therfore more/less visual, speedy or thoughtfull ill get a bit into some distilling stuff.

Beer is a totally diffrent drunk then say bacardi 151 or just plain vodka. Heres why, Highly fermented mash @14-19% starts to make it harder for the yeasts starts to make ethenol or sugar/grain alcohol for drinking alcohol, and its starts to produce more methanol. methenol os a poison and its wood alcohol for race/car fuel. Mash for distilled sperits unlike beer is distilled to 14-20% where beer is distilled to 6-8% then the yeast is killed before the methenol starts to get made in significant amounts. So next time you drink a few beers and pick up a bottle and notice how its more "crazy" its not just your geting drunker, your poisoning yourself with methenol. all because of the greedy distillers trying to get the most out of there mash.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2848919 - 07/01/04 09:30 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Highly fermented mash @14-19% starts to make it harder for the yeasts starts to make ethenol or sugar/grain alcohol for drinking alcohol, and its starts to produce more methanol. methenol os a poison and its wood alcohol for race/car fuel. Mash for distilled sperits unlike beer is distilled to 14-20% where beer is distilled to 6-8% then the yeast is killed before the methenol starts to get made in significant amounts. So next time you drink a few beers and pick up a bottle and notice how its more "crazy" its not just your geting drunker, your poisoning yourself with methenol. all because of the greedy distillers trying to get the most out of there mash.




Oh...okay...with all due respect... This is complete and utter bullshit. Brewers yeast does not produce methanol. I don't know where you've been getting your data, but it's not from any legitimate source. You sure as hell don't know anything about the production of alcohol.

For one thing, brewers yeast doesn't produce methanol. Their respiratory pathway is -quite- well understood, and it just doesn't work that way. The only way you get methanol (barring synthesis or other high-tech methods) is by heating wood in the absence of oxygen.

For another thing ... do you even know what distilled beverages are? High-alcohol drinks (like vodka, gin, rum, etc) are distilled. This means that you basically take a whole shitload of mash and heat it up and draw off the alcohol through evaporation. The mash is about as strong as medium-strength beer; maybe 7 - 10%. It's difficult to keep yeast reactions going past about 12% -- and not worth it for the production of distilled beverages -- economically unviable for someone whose goal is to put out a very large volume of distilled alcohol.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Sev]
    #2851634 - 07/02/04 01:50 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I dont feel like re reaserching. If you dont think you can cant get mash above 10% you should check your facts, 14-16 is the norm 18-20is hard unless you have the right yeast. I learned all my onfo from esasttnstills.com and im a member of american distillers yahoo group.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2851787 - 07/02/04 02:45 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I know you can get mash above 10%, it's just that it's more difficult to do so. I know of some Czech beers that're brewed up to 19% or so, IIRC.

Anyway, you're still utterly wrong about your idea that yeasts produce methanol, which is really the major "whatthefuck?" point I was making. I've got no idea where you got that from; I'm guessing tales about moonshiners and why they sometimes put methanol in their product.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Sev]
    #2851879 - 07/02/04 03:11 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Some wild yeasts produce methanol, but not brewer's yeast.

http://biochemie.web.med.uni-muenchen.de/Yeast_Biology/03_Metabolism.htm


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Magash]
    #2851931 - 07/02/04 03:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Magash said:
As much as I hate to say it psilocybin is psilocybin, psilocin is psilocin, baeocystin is baeocystin and they all pretty much do the same thing.




Thank you, and not only Magash, but for all you people that backed me up when I got bashed. If you disagree with us about this, really think about this one long and hard, and after you start going nutz from your stupidity, then go read the chemical effects of psilocybin. I'm pretty sure they have a good analysis on Erowid.

Another interesting thing I might add, notice how the surveyed eventually showed that the more popular strains are more visual (or whatever the question was) and the less popular ones got less votes. This is simply because of the popularity. Of course, people are going to say their favorite is better.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Trique]
    #2852558 - 07/02/04 08:39 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to see someone actually do a survey that wouldn't be overly affected simply by the fact that people haven't tried certain strains. When you have "Which strain is the most visual: (list)," and you don't compensate for the fact that people haven't tried them all; you get a skewed answer.

A better (read, more accurate) survey would be one that's relational -- but this would require significantly more programming.

First, you ask the person to select what strins they've tried. Then, you ask them to compare each strain. "Which is more visual: strain 1 or strain 2".

Of course, this would take a lot more work, both on the end of the person making the survey, and on the part of the person taking the survey.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Sev]
    #2872095 - 07/09/04 08:30 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone meet me at the park.Bring your shrooms.We'll mix em all up and see if we can't get a good buzzzz

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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: KaptKid]
    #2881220 - 07/12/04 04:25 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

What he said.  :grin:


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    #2884754 - 07/13/04 01:46 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2884793 - 07/13/04 02:13 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

>Your information regarding Ps.azurescens is based on what is basically flawed research published in Stamet's book.

It's not flawed research, it's a a flawed interpretation of the chart by its readers.
Stamets published a chart of observed maxima of the alkaloid content in single specimens. And the chart does state that it only shows the maxima.
This means, single specimes were tested for their alkaloid content and the chart represents only the specimen with the highest numbers found.
It doesn't say anything about the average potency.

This flawed interpretation of data seems to be more common that we would like it, check http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2871940


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Anno]
    #2888595 - 07/14/04 04:22 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

yea but the maxima reported- while being themselves correct, are not representitive of the true maxima on activity in these mushroom species - they are misleading because people assume that they actually tell us the true maxima of these species, when they clearly do not.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2888682 - 07/14/04 05:16 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

> the maxima reported- while being themselves correct, are not representitive
> of the true maxima on activity in these mushroom species
True.

> are misleading because people assume
Yes, that's the problem, people assume and do not read what the table actually represents.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2893396 - 07/15/04 12:55 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

IMO - They (cubes) are all one in the same as far as active ingredients that produce the visual effects . What make one cube stronger than another (again IMO) are the conditions in wich it was grown. I'm certain that certain individuals on this site, who pay meticulous attention to detail in regards to growing, (growers like magash or joshua for example), will tell you that type of cube aside bumper healthy crops produce bumper healthy trips. You want the visuals? Libs, beos, and azures rule the roost. They beat cube hands down when it come to visuals.IMO


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