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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: hugo]
    #2841689 - 06/29/04 10:35 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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it's all in your mind set and mood.I've eat'in the same strain from the same flush and had different affects.Psilocybin is a drug it does what is does.a strain can be more or less potent depending on how it was grown and some strains may just produce alittle more psilocybin, which will give you fluctulating doses causeing a more or less intense trip, but it all still goes back to your mood and mind set your surroundings everything plays a small part in the out come of your experience. IME all cubensis strains are so close togather potenty wise i couldn't choose one ultimate bad ass wigg your nuts off strain.




i agree =]


I also agree...i wish there was one ultimate bad ass wigg your nuts off strain, but if there was it would quickly be the only strain people grew...


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2841715 - 06/29/04 10:44 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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A cube is a cube i say. Psilocybin is gonna have the same affect no matter what what strain the mushroom you take is called....

The difference betweed strains is different amounts of the chemical, NOT different chemicals.




I dunno. On one hand, yeah, psilo* is psilo*. On the other hand, THC is THC. So why do some different strains of marijuana have different effects? Different levels of other actives in the plant material....


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Sev]
    #2841760 - 06/29/04 10:54 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

They have diffrent CBD levels, that blocks certian parts of the high making the sativ-indica stones. Weed is not weed, genetics plays a large role in the high.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2841773 - 06/29/04 10:57 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'd also like to note the reason for growing different strains is for the physical differences along with other factors(pinset, weight etc)..I've tried a lot of strains as well as other ppl I know and they are all the same...I would rather they be different but the fact of the matter is there not


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Sev]
    #2841924 - 06/29/04 11:31 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I dunno.  On one hand, yeah, psilo* is psilo*.  On the other hand, THC is THC.  So why do some different strains of marijuana have different effects?  Different levels of other actives in the plant material....




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DieCommie said:
with weed there are dozens of chemicals that are active thus different "highs"


Im no chemist, but this seems logical to me  :shrug:


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2842023 - 06/29/04 11:51 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

As much as I hate to say it psilocybin is psilocybin, psilocin is psilocin, baeocystin is baeocystin and they all pretty much do the same thing. That having been said I still find certain strains my favorites.
Now the chems in weed, thc, cbn, cbd, thcv, cbdv, cbv, all have different effects. Smoke high in cbn is usually burn out weed and so on. Different strains of smoke have different amounts of these chems which effect the high and the length of it.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #2842519 - 06/30/04 03:14 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

"EDIT: ever notice how everyone who believes the strains are different seems to have a different opinion about which is more visual or more in the body etc"

This COULD be true(I'm just not sure) I assume that different strains of cubes might have slightly different ammounts of Psilocybin Psilocin and Beaocystin.

Therefore, leading to (slightly)different trips.(until there is science on the subject we can only guess/ go on what each other has to say)

For example I find Psilocybe Beaocystis(not a cube, I know) has a large body load(the beaocystin) but they are super potent!!, (large ammounts of Psilocybin, Psilocycin)

I love BC :grin:
(key word "SLIGHTLY" different trips)......but like I said, I am not sure, maybe after grandma grows over 20 strains , she can figure out where the truth lies, or after she becomes a Mycologist and tests strains herself. :thumbup:


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2842569 - 06/30/04 03:45 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

>Exctally, with weed there are dozens of chemicals that are active thus different "highs"

There are also more chemicals in mushrooms than only psilocybin and psilocin.
It is not unreasonable to think that the different levels of those other chemicals can have an altering effects on the trip.

Here are some of the other chemicals present in Psilocybe mushrooms.


Indole derivative Amount (ug)

5-Benzyloxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4
Gramine 40
3-Hydroxyethyl indole 2
5-Hydroxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
5-Hydroxyindole 4
3-Hydroxymethylindole 2
5-Hydroxytryptamine creatine sulfate [aka Serotonin] 4
5-Hydroxytryptophane 2
Indole 4
3-Indoleacetamide 2
3-Indole acetic acid 2
3-Indoleacetic acid ethyl ester 2
3-Indoleacetonitrile 2
3-Indolealdehyde 40
3-Indoleacetaldehyde 2
3-Indolecarboxylic acid 4
3-Indolelactic acid 2
gamma-(Indole)-N-butyric acid 4
beta-Indole-3-acrylic acid 2
beta-(Indole-3)-propionic acid 4
Indoxylacetate 2
Indoxylbutyrate 2
Isatin 2
5-Methoxy-2-carboxyindole 2
5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4
5-Methoxyindole 4
2-Methylindole 2
3-Methylindole 4
5-Methylindole 4
5-Methyltryptophane 2
N-Methyltryptophane 2
Tryptamine hydrochloride 4
L-Tryptophane 0.8
From: A.Y. Leung, A.H. Smith & A.G. Paul,
"Production of Psilocybin in Psilocybe baeocystis Saprophytic Culture"
J Pharm Sci 54: 1576 (1965)


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2843145 - 06/30/04 10:20 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I donno about everyone else, but I grew GT on verm/brf cased, and it was not too darn potent, I never took shrooms in almost half a year and I took a gram and felt almost nothing, 3 grams would have been a fair trip though i think.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2843207 - 06/30/04 10:57 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know why but I do get a consistant type of trip from Philospher Stones and John Allen strain. The Stones are definitely my favorite.
While I understand how some on this thread are saying Psilocybin is Psilocybin, etc but I definitely have a distinct high with these two strains.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? *DELETED* [Re: cyndyl]
    #2843489 - 06/30/04 12:26 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: freakygurl]
    #2843917 - 06/30/04 02:34 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

vodka gives me a different buzz than rum.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: spock]
    #2844680 - 06/30/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i think that it depends on how they were grown and if you used an isolate becouse its not fair to compare multi-spore vers iso-myco

and you cant compare a fungi to a plant becouse plants seem to be more stable

with shrooms each shrooms can be called a new sub-strain


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: hugo]
    #2844685 - 06/30/04 06:36 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i think that gram for gram there all just as good but i find that size and pin sets are what varrys the most


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: onetime]
    #2846018 - 07/01/04 02:03 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I can only repeat myself here:

There are more chemicals in mushrooms than only psilocybin and psilocin.
Those other chemicals might not have an immediate effect if isolated and used by themselves, but is not unreasonable to think that the different levels of those other chemicals can have an altering effects on the trip. Just like there are interactions of various (medicinal) drugs when taken together which produce various (partially undesirable) effects, the trip could be altered by those other substances in combination by the main active substances psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin.

Here are some of the other chemicals present in Psilocybe mushrooms.


Indole derivative Amount (ug)

5-Benzyloxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4
Gramine 40
3-Hydroxyethyl indole 2
5-Hydroxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
5-Hydroxyindole 4
3-Hydroxymethylindole 2
5-Hydroxytryptamine creatine sulfate [aka Serotonin] 4
5-Hydroxytryptophane 2
Indole 4
3-Indoleacetamide 2
3-Indole acetic acid 2
3-Indoleacetic acid ethyl ester 2
3-Indoleacetonitrile 2
3-Indolealdehyde 40
3-Indoleacetaldehyde 2
3-Indolecarboxylic acid 4
3-Indolelactic acid 2
gamma-(Indole)-N-butyric acid 4
beta-Indole-3-acrylic acid 2
beta-(Indole-3)-propionic acid 4
Indoxylacetate 2
Indoxylbutyrate 2
Isatin 2
5-Methoxy-2-carboxyindole 2
5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4
5-Methoxyindole 4
2-Methylindole 2
3-Methylindole 4
5-Methylindole 4
5-Methyltryptophane 2
N-Methyltryptophane 2
Tryptamine hydrochloride 4
L-Tryptophane 0.8
From: A.Y. Leung, A.H. Smith & A.G. Paul,
"Production of Psilocybin in Psilocybe baeocystis Saprophytic Culture"
J Pharm Sci 54: 1576 (1965)


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Citric]
    #2846085 - 07/01/04 02:30 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Domey said:
I never said the psilocin is speedy, learn to read.





I don't thin that's the point he was trying to portray. He wasn't actually saying that you made that statement. He was simply giving a broad example.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Rose]
    #2846093 - 07/01/04 02:32 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
And weed is weed.





Now on that one...I've got to disagree.
I've seen strains that were heavy resonators, very sticky, huge colas.
And I've seen strains that were the complete opposite.

I dont believe, however, that one strain of weed may be a "mellow high", a "speedy high", or what have you.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: mycoguy]
    #2846112 - 07/01/04 02:39 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

>I dont believe, however, that one strain of weed may be a "mellow high", a "speedy high", or what have you.

Then you should try some different sorts of weed, and you will notice that this realy is the case.


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2846258 - 07/01/04 04:54 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Which brand of alcohol makes you more drunk?


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Re: Whats are some of more visual cube strains? [Re: Anno]
    #2846625 - 07/01/04 08:45 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Anno said:
Here are some of the other chemicals present in Psilocybe mushrooms.

<pre>
Indole derivative Amount (ug)

5-Benzyloxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4
Gramine 40
3-Hydroxyethyl indole 2
5-Hydroxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
5-Hydroxyindole 4
3-Hydroxymethylindole 2
5-Hydroxytryptamine creatine sulfate [aka Serotonin] 4
5-Hydroxytryptophane 2
Indole 4
3-Indoleacetamide 2
3-Indole acetic acid 2
3-Indoleacetic acid ethyl ester 2
3-Indoleacetonitrile 2
3-Indolealdehyde 40
3-Indoleacetaldehyde 2
3-Indolecarboxylic acid 4
3-Indolelactic acid 2
gamma-(Indole)-N-butyric acid 4
beta-Indole-3-acrylic acid 2
beta-(Indole-3)-propionic acid 4
Indoxylacetate 2
Indoxylbutyrate 2
Isatin 2
5-Methoxy-2-carboxyindole 2
5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4
5-Methoxyindole 4
2-Methylindole 2
3-Methylindole 4
5-Methylindole 4
5-Methyltryptophane 2
N-Methyltryptophane 2
Tryptamine hydrochloride 4
L-Tryptophane 0.8
From: A.Y. Leung, A.H. Smith & A.G. Paul,
"Production of Psilocybin in Psilocybe baeocystis Saprophytic Culture"
J Pharm Sci 54: 1576 (1965)
</pre>




These are what, ug per gram of wet weight, or what?
Those are very, very, very small numbers.


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