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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: mushboy]
    #28407979 - 07/25/23 02:32 PM (6 months, 7 hours ago)

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i like how that video has dramatic images of stuffed animals implying suffering/innocent children or whatever... hosted by scott ritter the convicted pedophile:lolsy:



That was a war memorial.  If you think stuffed animals are inappropriate for a memorial, you should complain to the parents of the dead children.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: christopera]
    #28407983 - 07/25/23 02:36 PM (6 months, 7 hours ago)

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Ukraine was preparing to attack. Ahhh yes, the old make believe attack. The next time I teach a college class I am going to use Fal as an example for logical fallacies.



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i show my friends at work:lol:



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I do too.
:batlol:



There were secret documents in the documentary and leaked videos that have been posted here showing Ukraine was planning to attack Donbas.

Maybe you can explain the logical fallacy of showing evidence?  :popcorn:


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28408030 - 07/25/23 03:04 PM (6 months, 7 hours ago)

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Goddamnit Fal stopping quoting that pedophile



The "big fat poo poo head argument" again.  :facepalm:

I think what you really meant do say was "Goddamnit Fal stopping providing evidence showing I'm wrong".

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the Ukranians gathered troops early 2022 in response to a gathering of Russian troops in December 2021 along their border from Intel that Russia would invade which turned out to be true.



In 2016 (before Trump was President), Lindsey Graham told Ukrainian troops "I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.  Your fight is our fight.  2017 will be the year of offense."

What do you think he meant by "offense" if not offense?

It appears Trump stopped the invasion from taking place and we had to wait for Biden.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28408050 - 07/25/23 03:16 PM (6 months, 6 hours ago)

Russia took Donbas with tanks, seems like trump was a little screwed up if he thought they should keep it.
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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28408159 - 07/25/23 04:25 PM (6 months, 5 hours ago)

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Ukraine was preparing to attack. Ahhh yes, the old make believe attack. The next time I teach a college class I am going to use Fal as an example for logical fallacies.



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i show my friends at work:lol:



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I do too.
:batlol:



There were secret documents in the documentary and leaked videos that have been posted here showing Ukraine was planning to attack Donbas.

Maybe you can explain the logical fallacy of showing evidence?  :popcorn:




You haven't provided any citations.

What you purport as evidence of a planned offensive on Ukraine is a pedophile sharing a fake claim made by Russian state media.

It was a document of annual training in Lviv that wasn't a secret at all.

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However, there is no mention of the planned offensive.'' "Belizovel 1600; As StopFake explained in the NGU, the document is not secret. The 1711in the secret business production, a fuhrhrhryf should be held, and no one is scheduled to see on the back of the classified documentation," a spokesman for the NGU said StopFake.

Second, the document has nothing to do with Donbass at all. "It is a typical order for regular training joint gatherings of the WSU and NGU in the Old Man (Lviv region). Such orders are issued regularly every year. This document on the organization of the training gathering of the the "StopFake" in the NGU confirmed.

The Ukrainian National Guard also pointed to a lack of mention of any purpose of the offensive in the order.

The 171p.This document has nothing to do with planning an offensive operation. It is clear that the offensive operation plan should involve some specific goals that are not in the document. This is not an order to carry out a march to some position in the EPA zone, followed by a subsequent rollout for the offensive. This is an order for combat cohesion in the Lvivviv region! Tasmanian 187;," the National Guard said.

https://www.stopfake.org/ru/fejk-sekretnyj-prikaz-komanduyushhego-natsionalnoj-gvardiej-ukrainy-predusmatrival-nastuplenii-na-donbass-v-marte-2022-goda/




To top it off its clear Russia began gathering a force near the Ukranian border in december 2021, before any Ukranian forces began gathering in January 2022.

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Russians have 120,000 troops on its border, increased intel gathering, Ukraine ministry says

Dec 9, 2021

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2021/12/08/russians-have-120000-troops-on-its-border-increased-intel-gathering-ukraine-ministry-says/




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As Russia amassed troops on the Ukrainian border, Russian President Vladimir Putin, his spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, and other Russian officials repeatedly denied that their country had plans to invade Ukraine. They blamed the U.S., Ukraine and others for the tension, insisting that Russia is a “peaceful country” and that it is “not going to attack anyone.”

That, of course, was proven false when Russia launched a full-scale invasion against Ukraine on Feb. 24 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/02/russian-rhetoric-ahead-of-attack-against-ukraine-deny-deflect-mislead/




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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28408196 - 07/25/23 04:54 PM (6 months, 5 hours ago)

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However, there is no mention of the planned offensive.'' "Belizovel 1600






Care to explain what you think Lindsay Graham meant when he said:  "I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.  Your fight is our fight.  2017 will be the year of offense."

What do you think he meant by "offense" if not offense?


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28408222 - 07/25/23 05:12 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

Please share an actual citation source for whatever claims you make and cut the connect the dots speculation crap.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28408229 - 07/25/23 05:17 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

Sure.  Here is the full video, which shows Lindsey Graham saying the quote above:



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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28408236 - 07/25/23 05:21 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

He said he'll push the case against Russia, as in he'll politically do so.

Your connect the dots crap is somehow aligning that with military invasion.

If someone in a workplace says well fight for our rights, it doesn't mean they'll go and kill the boss.

Your speculative nonsense is abhorrent. Please stop.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28408240 - 07/25/23 05:25 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

I see.  We are to rely on YOUR interpretation of everything.  It all makes sense now.

Any thoughts on why he's speaking to the Ukrainian military to politically push a case against Russia?


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28408246 - 07/25/23 05:27 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

Because the military is a political apparatus.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28408251 - 07/25/23 05:33 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

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I see.  We are to rely on YOUR interpretation of everything.  It all makes sense now.

Any thoughts on why he's speaking to the Ukrainian military to politically push a case against Russia?




Of everything? What a liar your are.

You haven't made a case, you've heard Lindsey Graham say offense and are now trying to insinuate what?

WHAT ARE YOU INSINUATING?!


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28408287 - 07/25/23 06:04 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

He told the Ukrainian military "I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.  Your fight is our fight.  2017 will be the year of offense."

It sounds to me like he's telling them to get ready to fight for Donbas.  How do you interpret it?


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28408291 - 07/25/23 06:06 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

Maybe he’s talking about Ukraine taking back territory that Russia had recently stolen from the country

But really who the fuck cares what that fruitcake says? Lindsey Graham doesn’t speak for the US and he doesn’t run Ukraine. If you want to hold someone responsible for starting wars, Putin is your guy. But of course, you will never do that. You won’t even criticize Russia for using cluster bombs, the use of which you were against until you were told Russia has been using them in Ukraine. Go ahead heres yet another opportunity to call out Russia for using them. You won’t don’t it and it’s pathetic, just one of the many reasons people have such a low opinion of you.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: koods]
    #28408294 - 07/25/23 06:08 PM (6 months, 4 hours ago)

Nope.  Russia didn't recognize Donbas' independence until 2022.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28408305 - 07/25/23 06:17 PM (6 months, 3 hours ago)

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He told the Ukrainian military "I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.  Your fight is our fight.  2017 will be the year of offense."

It sounds to me like he's telling them to get ready to fight for Donbas.  How do you interpret it?




Why are you asking that, I already told you, he said he'll push the case against Russia, as in he'll politically do so.

It is far fetched and accusatory interpretation to claim that requires some backing to support.

Hundreds of politicians have said they will fight for things, if you want to claim they're saying it's actually to do violence, you need more than the words to support your claim.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28408309 - 07/25/23 06:20 PM (6 months, 3 hours ago)

I’m talking about crimea, but it’s hilarious you think Russia recognized donbas independence considering Russia invaded, annexed the territory and made it part of Russia. So donbas was an independent country that Russia invaded and took it over and you’re perfectly fine with that? You are incensed that Lindsey Graham might have suggested Ukraine invade and regain control of donbas but not a peep about Russia invading donbas and taking control of it.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28408333 - 07/25/23 06:44 PM (6 months, 3 hours ago)

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He told the Ukrainian military "I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.  Your fight is our fight.  2017 will be the year of offense."

It sounds to me like he's telling them to get ready to fight for Donbas.  How do you interpret it?



If that's what he meant, it's good he gave them a heads up.  Russia's unjust invasion of Ukraine was only a few years away.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28408354 - 07/25/23 07:02 PM (6 months, 3 hours ago)

Lindsay Graham is better prognosticator than Chops, for sure.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28408440 - 07/25/23 07:44 PM (6 months, 2 hours ago)

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He told the Ukrainian military "I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.  Your fight is our fight.  2017 will be the year of offense."

It sounds to me like he's telling them to get ready to fight for Donbas.  How do you interpret it?




Why are you asking that, I already told you, he said he'll push the case against Russia, as in he'll politically do so.



He's telling the Ukrainian military to push the political case?  :flowstone:

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Hundreds of politicians have said they will fight for things



So politicians talk to the military when they want to fight for things?!?!?

:whateveryousayfreak:


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