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Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories
    #28403080 - 07/21/23 04:00 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28403343 - 07/21/23 09:14 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Sure, I'll start.  Russia-Gate was a hoax to try and keep Trump out of office.

Not only did Robert Mueller conclude that the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities", but we now know Hillary Clinton Did It.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28403349 - 07/21/23 09:28 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

Hey that's actually a good start, the Mueller investigation found there was interference from Russia, but no evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Hillary herself had the email scam but I don't think she had anything classified, I still think she should have been arrested though, as she clearly put national security at risk by not using government servers, instead deciding to use a vulnerable private one.

I think this might be a good place for things that can be verified and don't require a connect the dots or to fill in the blanks with speculation sort of style. Things that may have had a speckled history or presentation, but that have now mustered a relatively clear conclusion.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28403382 - 07/21/23 10:40 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

The mueller did not find collusion but also did not clear the president on it but more listed ten obstruction of justice items in an effort to show why he did not find if it happened or not.  Unlike hillery, trump stone walled in every way he could.  Hum.  His report in no way says that russia gate was a hoax.  In fact, he said if he could say that trump campaign was innocent he would but he could not, right in the report.  This can be verified by reading the mueller report.
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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: gww]
    #28403392 - 07/21/23 10:55 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

I mean there was definitely a lot uncovered and found to be true, but in the end the final conclusion, however it came to be, didn't line up with the title accusation, by foul play, whim, legalese or other.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28403396 - 07/21/23 11:13 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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Sure, I'll start.  Russia-Gate was a hoax to try and keep Trump out of office.




How would it have kept him out of office? Nobody even knew Trump was being investigated until after the election. Everyone knew Hilary was under investigation due to leaks and public statements by FBI officials, but they were totally mum on any investigation into Trump.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28403401 - 07/21/23 11:18 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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I mean there was definitely a lot uncovered and found to be true, but in the end the final conclusion, however it came to be, didn't line up with the title accusation, by foul play, whim, legalese or other.




The manafort investigation was never completed. Manafort volunteered to be a Trumps manager and then used his position to forward a pro-Russian agenda. He was exchanging campaign data with a Russian agent. He worked for the Russian puppet president of Ukraine: dude was severely compromised.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: sudly]
    #28403419 - 07/22/23 12:20 AM (6 months, 3 days ago)

I would just respond in this manner.  Walk like a duck talk, like a duck, must have a bit of pull on law makers as the senate just passed legislation making it where a president can not pull out of nato with out a two third vote of the other body of government.  The impetus to do that has absolutely zero to do with fear that biden would pull out.  Now, I do not consider when using real actions, a game of connect the dots as being completely out of line when considering the motivation for them to shore up nato participation in this fashion.  They saw something to make them want to do this.
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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: koods]
    #28403516 - 07/22/23 04:04 AM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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Sure, I'll start.  Russia-Gate was a hoax to try and keep Trump out of office.



How would it have kept him out of office? Nobody even knew Trump was being investigated until after the election.



I pointed the hoax out before the election.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #28403703 - 07/22/23 09:27 AM (6 months, 3 days ago)

There is no hoax.  The Russians did interfere with the election.  Trump did specifically ask them to.  The former was made clear by the Mueller report, which you love to cite as a source.  The latter was done on national television.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Enlil]
    #28403709 - 07/22/23 09:41 AM (6 months, 3 days ago)

Very early on.  Convicted spy asking set up question or accidental coincidence, Trump knowing it was coming or being set up, fact or conspiracy, what is the math.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/trump-spoke-to-a-russian-activist-about-ending-sanctions-just-weeks-after-launching-his-campaign/

Same spy with nra and 30 million contribution from russia.  Is it wonder to wonder?  How does one connect dots and when does common sense come into play?
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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Enlil]
    #28403805 - 07/22/23 11:50 AM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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There is no hoax.  The Russians did interfere with the election.  Trump did specifically ask them to.  The former was made clear by the Mueller report, which you love to cite as a source.



So we needed a 3 year investigation to figure out that Trump said this?



I couldn't told you that without a witch hunt investigation.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28403808 - 07/22/23 11:51 AM (6 months, 3 days ago)

You might have.  I didn't.  Even after the three-year investigation, you still don't believe Russia interfered with the election because RT told you otherwise.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: gww]
    #28403816 - 07/22/23 12:00 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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Very early on.  Convicted spy asking set up question or accidental coincidence, Trump knowing it was coming or being set up, fact or conspiracy, what is the math.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/trump-spoke-to-a-russian-activist-about-ending-sanctions-just-weeks-after-launching-his-campaign/

Same spy with nra and 30 million contribution from russia.  Is it wonder to wonder?  How does one connect dots and when does common sense come into play?
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So Trump took questions at a PUBLIC Q&A session and said he wants the world to stop hating the US and wants better relations with Russia.  You think that's Trump colluding with Russia on election interference???  Really?!?!?



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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28403817 - 07/22/23 12:01 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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Sure, I'll start.  Russia-Gate was a hoax to try and keep Trump out of office.



How would it have kept him out of office? Nobody even knew Trump was being investigated until after the election.



I pointed the hoax out before the election.




The hoax? Russia did hack the DNC. Why do you continue to lie about this?

You still haven’t explained how a secret investigation was supposed to hurt trump


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28403831 - 07/22/23 12:14 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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Very early on.  Convicted spy asking set up question or accidental coincidence, Trump knowing it was coming or being set up, fact or conspiracy, what is the math.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/trump-spoke-to-a-russian-activist-about-ending-sanctions-just-weeks-after-launching-his-campaign/

Same spy with nra and 30 million contribution from russia.  Is it wonder to wonder?  How does one connect dots and when does common sense come into play?
Cheers
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So Trump took questions at a PUBLIC Q&A session and said he wants the world to stop hating the US and wants better relations with Russia.  You think that's Trump colluding with Russia on election interference???  Really?!?!?






People like trump are the reason why people hate the US. If we end up electing that moral degenerate and buffoon to office again, the standing of this country in the eyes of the world is going to be shattered.

I can’t believe you still fall for trumps meaningless pronouncements. Trump said the other day that he would make Putin and Ukraine make a deal to end the war and if Putin refused he would give Ukraine everything they ever wanted in terms of weapons. Lol

Congress just passed a law that a president must get congress to approve leaving NATO - just in case trump wins.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Enlil]
    #28403840 - 07/22/23 12:20 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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Even after the three-year investigation, you still don't believe Russia interfered with the election because RT told you otherwise.




No Enlil.  After a three-year investigation I still don't believe there were any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump with respect to interference in the 2016 presidential election because they couldn't find any evidence of it, and you can't point anything out except something Trump already said on national TV. 

I was one of the few who knew this was a hoax before the election even started, all you can do is hurl insults.  You should be banned for ad hominem attacks, like Stable Genius is now banned again.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: koods]
    #28403841 - 07/22/23 12:21 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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The hoax? Russia did hack the DNC. Why do you continue to lie about this?



How does that show coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump?


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: koods]
    #28403845 - 07/22/23 12:25 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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People like trump are the reason why people hate the US. If we end up electing that moral degenerate and buffoon to office again, the standing of this country in the eyes of the world is going to be shattered.



People hate the US because Trump wants to be more friendly with other countries of the world?  I'd love to see your evidence for that.


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Re: Definitely not Russian propaganda or conspiracy theories [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28403848 - 07/22/23 12:28 PM (6 months, 3 days ago)

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The hoax? Russia did hack the DNC. Why do you continue to lie about this?



How does that show coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump?



Russia stole emails from democrats and then weaponized them to help Donald Trump get elected. There was plenty of other circumstantial evidence that the Trump campaign was working with Russians. After the leaks, the FBI had no choice to but to investigate. Yet, they still managed to keep that investigation secret, while taking endlessly about the Clinton investigation.


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