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Offline0t0lerance
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LM -> how to filter decoction?
    #28401399 - 07/20/23 05:01 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

So I got this lions mane decoction going at this moment. 119gr to 1200ml of water.. blended it into a paste before simmering.. it's around 80 celcius / 176f.. and I'll let it go for 8 hours or so.. but I wonder.. this is going to be a paste... How on earth to you filter this stuff?

I have a nut milk bag.. but I don't think it will be filterable if I look at this goop.. I was planning on doing a duel extraction as described by christopher hobbs.. I'll try to wring out liquid.. but if I fail maybe I'll dehydrate it all and go for powdered version.




I found out I have ADD (inattentive ADHD)... hopefully this mushroom can help me a bit..


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Re: LM -> how to filter decoction? [Re: 0t0lerance] * 1
    #28401462 - 07/20/23 06:10 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

I made this mistake one time and ended up throwing it away. I don't chop it so fine now. You could try balling it up in some cheese cloth and squeeze it


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Re: LM -> how to filter decoction? [Re: Stromrider]
    #28401473 - 07/20/23 06:23 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

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I made this mistake one time and ended up throwing it away. I don't chop it so fine now. You could try balling it up in some cheese cloth and squeeze it




Ugh.. thanks for the honest reply. I'll try


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Re: LM -> how to filter decoction? [Re: Stromrider] * 1
    #28401474 - 07/20/23 06:24 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

I wouldn't throw it away. Can always pour the paste out on fruit rollup trays in the dehydrator and make Extract powder from it. I do that for Reishi and Turkey Tail all the time. Makes them easier to powder up. Not normally necessary for LM but should still work fine.


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Re: LM -> how to filter decoction? [Re: RockinRobot]
    #28401517 - 07/20/23 07:31 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

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RockinRobot said:
I wouldn't throw it away. Can always pour the paste out on fruit rollup trays in the dehydrator and make Extract powder from it. I do that for Reishi and Turkey Tail all the time. Makes them easier to powder up. Not normally necessary for LM but should still work fine.



..that was the alternative indeed, Hobbs has that too in his book. But I recall the hericerins are not extractable by water.. so it would be a bummer if i eat the powdered result and not get those benefits I could have had after an alcohol extraction. But yeah.. I'll let the mixture go for a few more hours.. it has been going now for 4,5 hours.

Regarding turkey tail and reishi.. do those react as a binding agent or does the water separate easier from those fruit bodies?


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Re: LM -> how to filter decoction? [Re: 0t0lerance]
    #28401534 - 07/20/23 08:02 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

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0t0lerance said:
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RockinRobot said:
I wouldn't throw it away. Can always pour the paste out on fruit rollup trays in the dehydrator and make Extract powder from it. I do that for Reishi and Turkey Tail all the time. Makes them easier to powder up. Not normally necessary for LM but should still work fine.



..that was the alternative indeed, Hobbs has that too in his book. But I recall the hericerins are not extractable by water.. so it would be a bummer if i eat the powdered result and not get those benefits I could have had after an alcohol extraction. But yeah.. I'll let the mixture go for a few more hours.. it has been going now for 4,5 hours.

Regarding turkey tail and reishi.. do those react as a binding agent or does the water separate easier from those fruit bodies?




Reishi and Turkey Tail are extremely tough so the boiling helps soften them. For myself, making extract powder simply makes them easier to grind into a powder as opposed to trying to just dry and grind. From my reading it also helps make the beneficial ingredients more bioavailable but I can't confirm. For my LM I simply dry, grind and put in capsules and basically eat the whole mushroom and let my body do the extraction. With Turkey Tail and Reishi, I find even after a couple hours simmering, I still have to strain the dried powder to pull out the pieces that don't want to grind to powder. Chunks really suck when trying to put into capsules.


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Re: LM -> how to filter decoction? [Re: RockinRobot]
    #28401551 - 07/20/23 08:21 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

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RockinRobot said:
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0t0lerance said:
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RockinRobot said:
I wouldn't throw it away. Can always pour the paste out on fruit rollup trays in the dehydrator and make Extract powder from it. I do that for Reishi and Turkey Tail all the time. Makes them easier to powder up. Not normally necessary for LM but should still work fine.



..that was the alternative indeed, Hobbs has that too in his book. But I recall the hericerins are not extractable by water.. so it would be a bummer if i eat the powdered result and not get those benefits I could have had after an alcohol extraction. But yeah.. I'll let the mixture go for a few more hours.. it has been going now for 4,5 hours.

Regarding turkey tail and reishi.. do those react as a binding agent or does the water separate easier from those fruit bodies?




Reishi and Turkey Tail are extremely tough so the boiling helps soften them. For myself, making extract powder simply makes them easier to grind into a powder as opposed to trying to just dry and grind. From my reading it also helps make the beneficial ingredients more bioavailable but I can't confirm. For my LM I simply dry, grind and put in capsules and basically eat the whole mushroom and let my body do the extraction. With Turkey Tail and Reishi, I find even after a couple hours simmering, I still have to strain the dried powder to pull out the pieces that don't want to grind to powder. Chunks really suck when trying to put into capsules.




Ah alright, so no second extraction for you then.


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Re: LM -> how to filter decoction? [Re: 0t0lerance]
    #28401554 - 07/20/23 08:23 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

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0t0lerance said:
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RockinRobot said:
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0t0lerance said:
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RockinRobot said:
I wouldn't throw it away. Can always pour the paste out on fruit rollup trays in the dehydrator and make Extract powder from it. I do that for Reishi and Turkey Tail all the time. Makes them easier to powder up. Not normally necessary for LM but should still work fine.



..that was the alternative indeed, Hobbs has that too in his book. But I recall the hericerins are not extractable by water.. so it would be a bummer if i eat the powdered result and not get those benefits I could have had after an alcohol extraction. But yeah.. I'll let the mixture go for a few more hours.. it has been going now for 4,5 hours.

Regarding turkey tail and reishi.. do those react as a binding agent or does the water separate easier from those fruit bodies?




Reishi and Turkey Tail are extremely tough so the boiling helps soften them. For myself, making extract powder simply makes them easier to grind into a powder as opposed to trying to just dry and grind. From my reading it also helps make the beneficial ingredients more bioavailable but I can't confirm. For my LM I simply dry, grind and put in capsules and basically eat the whole mushroom and let my body do the extraction. With Turkey Tail and Reishi, I find even after a couple hours simmering, I still have to strain the dried powder to pull out the pieces that don't want to grind to powder. Chunks really suck when trying to put into capsules.




Ah alright, so no second extraction for you then.




Nope, I save my alcohol extractions for weed


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Re: LM -> how to filter decoction? [Re: RockinRobot]
    #28401559 - 07/20/23 08:30 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

Yeah, I need that stuff too for a good night sleep.. ADD keeps me awake, hate it. But with a family, I can't grow and do that too.. maybe in the future, some day.


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Re: LM -> how to filter decoction? [Re: 0t0lerance]
    #28401586 - 07/20/23 09:11 AM (6 months, 6 days ago)

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0t0lerance said:
Yeah, I need that stuff too for a good night sleep.. ADD keeps me awake, hate it. But with a family, I can't grow and do that too.. maybe in the future, some day.





Try taking 500mg-2g Reishi 2 hours before bed to help with sleep


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