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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Cornel West is pretty good too. Maybe even better than RFK Jr?
Did you say Blacker... or Better?
Cornel West always loses me with his... hibbidy dibbity... language... Eventually... and he has trouble staying on point. I generally like him though.
RFK Jr is better.
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Re: Vote for Biden! 2024 [Re: gww]
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gww said: They were going to search my cousins house based on alleged pot seeds in his trash. However when they found out he wasn't living there, pot seeds meant nothing and so they did not search or apply for a new warrant. Rules are meant to be broke for those willing break them and most recipients do not have resources to run it up the pipe even if they are right.
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Pot seeds. Are you talking about the NSA or another 3 letter organization? Maybe the DEA. They all have abused power sometimes, and sometimes a lot, but in one form or another they will always be necessary, here and in every other country.
One of my best friends applied to the NSA. He had a masters in Russian language and went there twice. The NSA interviewed him for three days, and half of that time he said was questions about his sex life. They must have been semi-interested to talk to him for that long, but at the end they said they were shifted emphasis from Russian speakers to Mandarin Chinese, and that was 30+ years ago.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Bigbadwooof said: Cornel West always loses me with his... hibbidy dibbity... language... Eventually... and he has trouble staying on point. I generally like him though.
RFK Jr is better.
The main thing I don't like about RFK Jr. is his apparent loyalty to Israel.
I'm not terribly upset that he thinks vaccines should be proven safe before administering them (it seems many here think that makes him 'anti-vax').
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Cornel West is pretty good too. Maybe even better than RFK Jr?
Cornel West is undisputedly the most intelligent person running for President, but he's not compromising his views or rhetoric one bit. That means he's not trying to win, and he wont get any electoral votes. He will take some votes from the Democrats, but I don't think nearly enough to make a difference, because West is running as what he is, a black radical.
RFK JR is dropping in the polls like a rock. He could have inflicted damage to Biden in the primaries with the initial strategy, which must have been formulated by Dennis Kucinich. That was to emphasize his appealing qualities of environmentalism and economic "democracy". His dump NATO and stop supporting Ukraine views might get agreement from a few Democrats, but that's a MAGA policy and that's the only sector where RFK's number are not in deep decline. He's being used as a tool by the right wing, but he's no longer a useful tool. That's because right when he supposed to shut up about the conspiracy nut-job stuff, he's going hog wild with it, adding racism and antisemitism to anti-vax. I predict Kucinich walks away from this embarrassment.
As of now the thing to look out for is the Joe Lieberman led No Labels center-right party. (I know Biden is frequently center-right, but since 40% of the country thinks he's a socialist, the spectrum has to be viewed in terms of that perspective, absurd or not). Joe Lieberman has not announced as a Presidential candidate, and says that party will not play the spoiler against either side, if it comes down to that. As much as I don't trust Lieberman he might be principled in the context of his own political philosophy. I'm guessing Lieberman would rather avoid another Trump than another Biden. But the big thing is don't underestimate the appeal of the center-right to American voters, because it's light years bigger than the progressive side when it comes down to actually voting vs opinion polls on certain subjects that make the country sound progressive. It's not.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Cornel West is pretty good too. Maybe even better than RFK Jr?
Cornel West is undisputedly the most intelligent person running for President, but he's not compromising his views or rhetoric one bit. That means he's not trying to win, and he wont get any electoral votes. He will take some votes from the Democrats, but I don't think nearly enough to make a difference, because West is running as what he is, a black radical.
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He wants trump to win hes a trump shill how the fuck is that the undisputedly the most intelligent person running.
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brian jones I think you answered your questions to me for your self. No, not nsa but just the anyone can abuse if they so desire. I don't want to spend my weekends with any of them but also don't believe in throwing out the baby with the bath water. I think you hit most of your points along my line of thinking. Cheers gww
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Re: Vote for Biden! 2024 [Re: trees]
#28402536 - 07/21/23 06:12 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Cornel West is pretty good too. Maybe even better than RFK Jr?
Cornel West is undisputedly the most intelligent person running for President, but he's not compromising his views or rhetoric one bit. That means he's not trying to win, and he wont get any electoral votes. He will take some votes from the Democrats, but I don't think nearly enough to make a difference, because West is running as what he is, a black radical.
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He wants trump to win hes a trump shill how the fuck is that the undisputedly the most intelligent person running. 
He's undisputedly the most intelligent person running because he's two standard deviations above them on any (attempted objective measure) of intelligence or achievement testing. If he was one standard deviation above that would still be plenty. Positions at the three most elite Ivy League schools and the University of Paris probably make him the most intelligent person who's ever run for President. If he could run for President of France, they love that kind of background. Americans don't
I recognize the political point you are making as a potential spoiler against the Democrats. Cornell West is not trying at all to be popular. His public statements since announcing his candidacy are closer to Malcolm X (after splitting with Nation of Islam) than they are to Jesse Jackson. West could be much more popular if that was his intention. The dude is a genius but way out there on the political spectrum, but particularly relevant to this topic, in the rhetorical style he expresses himself. If I though West was going to get many votes I would be concerned. He'll get some leftist white intellectuals for sure, and some who pretend to be that, but it will not add up to much. His civil rights record will not attract black voters because they have too much to lose.
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Re: Vote for Biden! 2024 [Re: gww]
#28402555 - 07/21/23 06:42 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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gww said: brian jones I think you answered your questions to me for your self. No, not nsa but just the anyone can abuse if they so desire. I don't want to spend my weekends with any of them but also don't believe in throwing out the baby with the bath water. I think you hit most of your points along my line of thinking. Cheersrooked gww
I wouldn't want to talk to any of them. I got interrogated once for 45 minutes by a local detective, and was no match for him. Luckily the detective was internal affairs and my accuser was crazy and implicated me for two murders and a story about some nonexistent crooked black cop I was paying off. Everybody involved had a pretty good idea I was in the weed growing business. I answered some questions at the beginning to see what was going on, then I stopped talking. Finally, the detective said, I don't care about the weed, will you take a polygraph about the crooked cop. I said yes, and he said never mind you can go.
It was a happy ending, but getting interrogated by a professional completely sucks.
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Bigbadwooof said: Cornel West always loses me with his... hibbidy dibbity... language... Eventually... and he has trouble staying on point. I generally like him though.
RFK Jr is better.
The main thing I don't like about RFK Jr. is his apparent loyalty to Israel.
as he supports people who say the nazis never gassed anyone. kinda creates a slight contradiction dont you think?
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gww said: brian jones I think you answered your questions to me for your self. No, not nsa but just the anyone can abuse if they so desire. I don't want to spend my weekends with any of them but also don't believe in throwing out the baby with the bath water. I think you hit most of your points along my line of thinking. Cheersrooked gww
I wouldn't want to talk to any of them. I got interrogated once for 45 minutes by a local detective, and was no match for him. Luckily the detective was internal affairs and my accuser was crazy and implicated me for two murders and a story about some nonexistent crooked black cop I was paying off. Everybody involved had a pretty good idea I was in the weed growing business. I answered some questions at the beginning to see what was going on, then I stopped talking. Finally, the detective said, I don't care about the weed, will you take a polygraph about the crooked cop. I said yes, and he said never mind you can go.
It was a happy ending, but getting interrogated by a professional completely sucks.
I had a similar situation. I was interrogated by two detectives about some stolen stuff at a place I worked. They questioned me for 3 hours. It's pretty intense stuff...I know why people give false confessions.
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Re: Vote for Biden! 2024 [Re: Enlil]
#28402594 - 07/21/23 07:32 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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i was crossed examined on the stand by an insurance companies team of attorneys. people came to watch. it was terrifying but i felt like i held my own. the outcome still sucked so it was completely pointless.
probably one of the most intense moments of my life. and ive been to parris island.
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Re: Vote for Biden! 2024 [Re: mushboy]
#28402697 - 07/21/23 09:26 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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MCRD and have the t shirt. I was questioned before and no doubt they have the upper hand. Buddy of.mine got hemmed up and was looking at some time. I get a call and was asked to come in. I did hold my own but was absolutely nervous underneath.
They will rattle you and are aware when you are rattled, thats when they lay it on. Trying to be respectful was very difficult for me. Emotionless responses seem to piss them off.
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Re: Vote for Biden! 2024 [Re: Enlil]
#28402721 - 07/21/23 09:57 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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gww said: brian jones I think you answered your questions to me for your self. No, not nsa but just the anyone can abuse if they so desire. I don't want to spend my weekends with any of them but also don't believe in throwing out the baby with the bath water. I think you hit most of your points along my line of thinking. Cheersrooked gww
I wouldn't want to talk to any of them. I got interrogated once for 45 minutes by a local detective, and was no match for him. Luckily the detective was internal affairs and my accuser was crazy and implicated me for two murders and a story about some nonexistent crooked black cop I was paying off. Everybody involved had a pretty good idea I was in the weed growing business. I answered some questions at the beginning to see what was going on, then I stopped talking. Finally, the detective said, I don't care about the weed, will you take a polygraph about the crooked cop. I said yes, and he said never mind you can go.
It was a happy ending, but getting interrogated by a professional completely sucks.
I had a similar situation. I was interrogated by two detectives about some stolen stuff at a place I worked. They questioned me for 3 hours. It's pretty intense stuff...I know why people give false confessions.
Youre not legally required to talk or give them any of your time. Ifthey didnt arrest you, why did you consent to questioning? You can just tell them to question your lawyer
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Re: Vote for Biden! 2024 [Re: trees]
#28402831 - 07/21/23 12:27 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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trees said: He wants trump to win hes a trump shill how the fuck is that the undisputedly the most intelligent person running. 
Source, or make believe? I've never heard him say he wants Trump to win.
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Brian Jones said: Cornel West is undisputedly the most intelligent person running for President, but he's not compromising his views or rhetoric one bit. That means he's not trying to win, and he wont get any electoral votes. He will take some votes from the Democrats, but I don't think nearly enough to make a difference, because West is running as what he is, a black radical.
How is Cornel West a 'black radical'?
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His actions support the hypothesis, although I suspect RFK isn't smart enough to have figured out his likely effect on an election.
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Brian Jones said: Cornel West is undisputedly the most intelligent person running for President, but he's not compromising his views or rhetoric one bit. That means he's not trying to win, and he wont get any electoral votes. He will take some votes from the Democrats, but I don't think nearly enough to make a difference, because West is running as what he is, a black radical.
How is Cornel West a 'black radical'?
Which part do you doubt? That he's black? Or that he's a radical?
He has self-identified as both, so I'm not sure why you'd doubt either.
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Re: Vote for Biden! 2024 [Re: mushboy]
#28402841 - 07/21/23 12:32 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The main thing I don't like about RFK Jr. is his apparent loyalty to Israel.
as he supports people who say the nazis never gassed anyone. kinda creates a slight contradiction dont you think?
Has RFK Jr ever said the Nazis never gassed anyone?
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Re: Vote for Biden! 2024 [Re: Enlil]
#28402845 - 07/21/23 12:35 PM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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Enlil said: His actions support the hypothesis, although I suspect RFK isn't smart enough to have figured out his likely effect on an election.
I'm not smart enough either. What is RFK Jr's likely effect on an election? To get Biden to be more populist?
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