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#28398418 - 07/17/23 08:05 AM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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The question "what can one do that makes one do the most progress possible"
The spread:

Looks to me like a time-line representation from the past on the left, the present, and the future on the right.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28398640 - 07/17/23 11:24 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Did an I-Ching asking about my reluctance to use such oracles, which is primarily I don't want to hear negative stuff. Second is having doubts about interpreting random sets of symbols.
I got water over water, danger.
Sincerity can win the day amidst pitfalls. (my words)
Perhaps, among other things, it means I can use them effectively with sincerity.
Again as I've said, we know things tend to suck, and I'd rather just go to the wish-fulfilling tree in which is transcendence, transmutation of the ten thousand dharmas. We all are doing the same thing, which is mitigation whether through witness, magic, love, war.
I-Ching on (apparent) desire for amelioration. This time I started with humble namaskar and request.
31 - Thirty-One Hsien / Attraction
The joyous Lake is cradled by the tranquil Mountain: The Superior Person takes great satisfaction in encouraging others along their journey. He draws them to him with his welcoming nature and genuine interest.
Supreme success.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28398660 - 07/17/23 11:36 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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See when I get an answer like that, I may not roll again for years. But the use of it with sincerity brought appreciation, and desire for more.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28398686 - 07/17/23 12:02 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Is the fool good or bad? It seems that spirited adventurer is nimble on the cliffside.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28398703 - 07/17/23 12:19 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Given context of your question, perhaps leaving behind deceptive or delusional behaviours/mindsets from the past- in an intellectual sense (5 of Swords PAST) whilst still maintaining enough balance and security 'keeping enough for yourself' in your grounding and body (4 of Pentacles PRESENT) in order to wholly "take the leap" in your new endevour or the progression you wish to make (the Fool FUTURE). In this particular case the dog on the fool card could represent grasping of your old ways and well tread ego-structures that would stop you from making the progress you desire, had you chosen NOT to rise above your old predilections.
 I'm not much of a Tarot guy though, I consult the IChing for my divinatory needs (and in the case of this Tarot question, my GF )
What makes you think it has a mind of its own- did the deck shuffle itsself?
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro] 1
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Ok, I-Ching is on a roll. We ask on various thread subjects. Let them be with sincerity and prayerfulness.
"Why does the mystical world hide itself?"
56 - Fifty-Six Lu / The Wanderer
Fire on the Mountain, catastrophic to man, a passing annoyance to the Mountain: The Superior Person waits for wisdom and clarity before exacting Justice, then lets no protest sway him.
Find satisfaction in small gains. To move constantly forward is good fortune to a Wanderer.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28398754 - 07/17/23 01:00 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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I viewed the magic as an effort to sew dissention in the ranks of the opposition in an attempt to divide and conquer.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28398778 - 07/17/23 01:13 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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That can be, but still for some perceived benefit.
I'm intimidated because you guys are pros, Lithop reply.
I have little experience but can offer a small invocation.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28398928 - 07/17/23 03:28 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: I viewed the magic as an effort to sew dissention in the ranks of the opposition in an attempt to divide and conquer.
Do you think it's this approach that is what the first card in the spread refers to? Using magic practise to impose your will on others is sticky, has spiteful connotation and suggests acrueing bad karma sometime. It certainly seems apt if that's the meaning you take from Five of Swords. Holistic Tarot by Benebell Wen says "Five of Swords also gives a sense that the seeker is [has] using a proverbial sledgehammer to crack a nut. The seeker is using more force than required and in that disproportion will suffer undesirable consequences." You'll know if that applies to your past and how it relates to your question.
100% makes me rethink what I said before about the Four of Pentacles... Maybe instead of it signifying keeping some for yourself it's the opposite. That you're still too connected to something or someone, that is hampering your progress. "Any sense of impoverishment is coming from attitude, and the seekers own material comfort is the obstacle." Doubling down on being more open to giving as well as open to opportunity rather than looking for more superficial satisfaction seems to be order of the day there.
 Still leads to what is somewhat blind faith IMO in that you still have to let go. Maybe the charge of the first 2 cards leads to the inevitable drop into the unknown but trusting from the present certainly seems to makes sense in the carefree Fool. Perhaps you're being pointed at adopting some lifestyle/ mindset changes that allow you to trust in things outside of yourself more? Or just to rekindle some motivation without obsessing around how it will particularly benefit you.
edit: and you can confirm the deck DID NOT shuffle itsself?
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syncro said: See when I get an answer like that, I may not roll again for years. But the use of it with sincerity brought appreciation, and desire for more.
 Interesting post there about your reluctance to divination too, syncro. But it's healthy I think, if you're using these methods all the time without strict adherence to certain rules, proper bias checking whathaveyou then you've got to take it with tongue in cheek- in not putting too much weight on the answer.
Outside of the notion of spirit or character running through these things (I personally believe theres an aspect of that to it), the depth of self reflection brought on by proper study inevitably has you project apsects of your own personality onto the way the reading is delivered. Way more apparant when you haven't taken the adequete time to do the reading properly, half assed sort of one.
That has lead me to deem my old Wilhelm I Ching a "Paper magic 8 ball piece of shit!" and discontinuing use for a while on a few ocassions either getting a playful spook out of it but more often I just felt sassed by some reading.
Ultimately though, yes, you're right- I reckon ritualising/ giving the proper heed to the reading, coming at it from a place of reverence and - as you said- sincerity will put you more in touch with the 'proper' channel of the 'thing' you're working with You get out the level of concentration you put in and too much questioning without holding up your side of things muddies the waters, you got to be able to turn it into some actionable shit. I see these rituals, practices & teachings at their very least as valid psychological vehicles to do self healing/refinement, enacting inner change and perspective shifting toward living a better life, creating a more coherent sense of overall harmony.
After a while, lessons learned from the teachings carry into how you perform the actions in your daily life and the hands on learning from the actions carry back over into how you percieve/ interpret the teachings going forward. Learning like that allows me a very rewarding way of taking in this world with all its mundanities and mysteries, IMO.

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syncro said: Is the fool good or bad? It seems that spirited adventurer is nimble on the cliffside.
I think it's down to context but I'm not 100% dude, he CERTAINLY looks nimble as fuck!
 P.S ACTsmokey has a dank 8bit The Fool avatar .
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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to you, good teacher. We'll see about my divinations. I still want to toss some on general thread topics maybe. I'm waiting to see if anyone recognizes a connection in one of the I Ching readings I did. It's a secret. 
Perhaps it is that I prefer divination, not that it is my practice, but not through external tech, as internally we are using tech as well (I think I got that from Buster's terming?), if tantra or whatever we do, even mindfulness is, or the psychies.
That is a cool Fool. Is he an NFT?
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop] 1
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edit: and you can confirm the deck DID NOT shuffle itsself?
My involvement as an incidental accessory to God's plan is indicative of the cards shuffling themselves.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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Buster_Brown said: I viewed the magic as an effort to sew dissention in the ranks of the opposition in an attempt to divide and conquer.
Do you think it's this approach that is what the first card in the spread refers to?
I read of the present based on past achievements leading to solidarity to which I may have contributed by whatever contribution my incidental involvement adds.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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Outside of the notion of spirit or character running through these things (I personally believe theres an aspect of that to it), the depth of self reflection brought on by proper study inevitably has you project apsects of your own personality onto the way the reading is delivered. Way more apparant when you haven't taken the adequete time to do the reading properly, half assed sort of one.
Indeed as evidenced by the ambiguity presented by 'solidarity' versus 'dissention' one may perceive a certain lack of continuity.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28399365 - 07/18/23 03:10 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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syncro said: I still want to toss some on general thread topics maybe. I'm waiting to see if anyone recognizes a connection in one of the I Ching readings I did. It's a secret. 
 Go for it man, I'll check 'em out  I've read and re-read, wracked my brain and rewrote your post with lemon juice before popping it in the oven, National Treasure style, to try and see this easter egg you mention but I'm completely drawing a blank. Maybe someone else will see it easily...

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syncro said: Perhaps it is that I prefer divination, not that it is my practice, but not through external tech, as internally we are using tech as well (I think I got that from Buster's terming?), if tantra or whatever we do, even mindfulness is, or the psychies.
Good point on the distinction, or lack of, between using internal and external tech/methods! However, my view is that although there may be many commonalities between practises like you mention there- and divination- I see divination as a stand alone subject or practise in that I'm only ever looking for outside interpretation. As opposed to some parts of practise where I know the buck 100% stops with me and my seperateness, as far as any useable interpretation & integration goes.
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syncro said: That is a cool Fool. Is he an NFT?
No idea man, I bet there are full 8 bit decks so maybe he's from there 
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Buster_Brown said: My involvement as an incidental accessory to God's plan is indicative of the cards shuffling themselves.
 Haha that's good shit- well you've got me on that one!

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Buster_Brown said: I read of the present based on past achievements leading to solidarity to which I may have contributed by whatever contribution my incidental involvement adds.
Solidarity with...? Your present position is less to do with direct effect and more to do with the mere fact you were/are involved with a situation?
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Buster_Brown said: Indeed as evidenced by the ambiguity presented by 'solidarity' versus 'dissention' one may perceive a certain lack of continuity.
Are you saying you see a lack of continuity or some sort of disconnect between what you percieve as the outcome of your actions and what others see, do to your personality 'colouring' your interpretation?
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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Solidarity behind the constant of change embraces the expression of dissention in association with growth as an affect of involvement that, yes, can lead to agravated responses defending personal interpretations of 'due course'.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
#28399411 - 07/18/23 05:42 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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"I've read and re-read, wracked my brain and rewrote your post with lemon juice before popping it in the oven, National Treasure style, to try and see this easter egg you mention but I'm completely drawing a blank. Maybe someone else will see it easily...
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Ok, I will spill the secret beans, and their life was changed, from. that. day. forward.
The Oracle addresses the Wanderer in response to
"Why does the mystical world hide itself?"
(get it yet??)
And the Wonderer is none other than the author of that thread!
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#28399414 - 07/18/23 05:47 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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"Good point on the distinction, or lack of, between using internal and external tech/methods! However, my view is that although there may be many commonalities between practises like you mention there- and divination- I see divination as a stand alone subject or practise in that I'm only ever looking for outside interpretation. As opposed to some parts of practise where I know the buck 100% stops with me and my seperateness, as far as any useable interpretation & integration goes."
Excellent answer.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28399449 - 07/18/23 07:09 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: Solidarity behind the constant of change embraces the expression of dissention in association with growth as an affect of involvement that, yes, can lead to agravated responses defending personal interpretations of 'due course'.
More paradoxical facets in unity extending, there always being growth in the changeless.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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Ah, a reference to the changeless effort of the ego perhaps that results in progressive miracles of interpretation.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28399562 - 07/18/23 10:01 AM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
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Yes, self-evident is the mind's ongoing vibrancy, consistent with existence. They always see impermanence, changeless. Never has been reported not waking up. Do the dead dance? You choose.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28399615 - 07/18/23 10:52 AM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
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Not being one to adopt indigenous custom puts me permanently in the ranks of the transient I believe.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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Buster_Brown said: Solidarity behind the constant of change embraces the expression of dissention in association with growth as an affect of involvement that, yes, can lead to agravated responses defending personal interpretations of 'due course'.
Sorry, Buster- I don't get what you mean by that dude. Any way you could rephrase? You don't have to, of course. Have you ever tried or been interested by any other forms of divination at all?
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Ok, I will spill the secret beans, and their life was changed, from. that. day. forward.
The Oracle addresses the Wanderer in response to
"Why does the mystical world hide itself?"
(get it yet??)
And the Wonderer is none other than the author of that thread!
And just like that, I -another aimless soul- become liberated from the shackles of Samsara. All by the exchange of a single vowel 
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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Sensitive issues agravate... resolution of disagreement may kindle a preferred response, in which history or popular fiction can have a Pavlovian effect.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Do you I Chingers follow this or something similar? I hadn't realized the implication of changing lines, which is, um, changing lines, to the resulting hexagram in some cases. I thought a result was disparate to my inquiry but the hexagram resulting from changing lines was applied.
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No changing lines Consider the hexagram text (judgment) of the hexagram. 1 changing line Consider the line text of the changing line. 2 or 3 changing lines Consider the line texts and also the hexagram text (judgment) of the resulting hexagram. 4, 5 or 6 changing lines Consider the hexagram texts (judgments) of the base and resulting hexagrams. (You could check out the line texts, however they will often be conflicting, and may not clearly relate to the situation.) For hexagram 1 or 2, when all lines change Consider the special text for this situation.
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Bradford Hatcher
Corresponds 'innocence' and 'unassailability'

 with the 5 of swords and 4 of pentacles respectively.
From your post I assume other hexagrams are indicated by the broken lines?
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
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The gapped lines are not changing lines which are represented by Xs and Os in gapped and solid lines respectively, or in this case the changing lines are colored red. The functions seem nice on that site because you can click the tab to the transformed hex indicated by the changing lines. ichingonline.net
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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So which are the 'Changing' lines, the broken ones?
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Is there much importance put to different sources for judgements and texts, or are they pretty standard? Are there favs and stay-aways?
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Buster_Brown said: So which are the 'Changing' lines, the broken ones?
The changing lines are red, or with my physical I Ching, and I've seen images of the same, they are marked with the Xs and Os, so we see both solid and broken lines can be changing.
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The reading with that application makes it rich, learning something new.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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syncro said: Do you I Chingers follow this or something similar? I hadn't realized the implication of changing lines, which is, um, changing lines, to the resulting hexagram in some cases. I thought a result was disparate to my inquiry but the hexagram resulting from changing lines was applied.
Depending how you're consulting- King Wen sequence, for example (the most notable style, AFAIK) there are different ways to interpret moving lines- as well as different parts to pay close attention to based on method.
The IChing itsself consists of 32 set of Hexagrams consisting of Condition, Judgment and Image- moving lines often dictate which one of the CHANGED hexagrams (future or transformed hex) content is most applicable. Personally, I don't often get multiple changing lines but the way of consulting them that you posted before is pretty much the way I do things too.
I got Stephen Karchers 'Total I Ching' recently and he goes into stuff like kernal of hidden possibility, relating pairs and all that it's awesome and pretty useful. It also has the old figures like they used to read from burnt bones and sacrificed bodies and whatnot- fucking sick!

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Buster_Brown said: Sensitive issues agravate... resolution of disagreement may kindle a preferred response, in which history or popular fiction can have a Pavlovian effect.
You had me till Pavlov bro, I do try 
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Buster_Brown said: So which are the 'Changing' lines, the broken ones?
Nah, the changing line is one where you roll a 6 or a 9, moving Yin looks like the -X- and moving Yang -o-. The former turning into __ Yang and the latter_ _ Yin. It's about energy transfer/stagnation in the situation.
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syncro said: Is there much importance put to different sources for judgements and texts, or are they pretty standard? Are there favs and stay-aways?
There are different historical figures who allegedly are who each part refers to- Duke of Chous JUDGEMENT, for example.
Wilhelm edition states: "Each hexagram combines two trigrams: a lower- or inner trigram and an upper- or outer trigram. They frequently relate, respectively, to subjective and objective conditions. Each chapter consists of four parts: THE CONDITION- a description of the overall situation or idea. THE JUDGMENT- associated moral guidance developed from the idea. THE IMAGE- thoughts derived from the heaxagrams image, or its attributes, in giving counsel to a wise man. DEGREES OF CHANGE- Six situations within the overal condition. The DEGREES set out six varieties of condition, often as a progressive development through the overall condition."
EDIT: I highly rate this too Visionary IChing deck The language is way less patriachal/ lost in translationy than the Wilhelm.
My Wilhelm stinks of someones cigs from yesteryear. Fuckin reeks now that I grabbed it off the shelf....
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
#28400554 - 07/19/23 10:11 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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Correct me if I'm mistaken. Changing lines only occur in the first two lines of each trigram? Or can the final line of a trigram indicate change progressing to the first line of the following trigram?
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28400583 - 07/19/23 10:46 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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As far as I see, as seen in tossing the sticks, each has the same possibilities, like dice.
a solid line, or solid line changing a broken line, or broken line changing
Four sides to a stick.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28400587 - 07/19/23 10:48 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: Correct me if I'm mistaken. Changing lines only occur in the first two lines of each trigram? Or can the final line of a trigram indicate change progressing to the first line of the following trigram?
All lines in a hexagram can change, bearing in mind that you read the hexagram as a whole (apart from seeing what each trigram represents within the hexagram IE Water over Mountain). As far as I'm aware the changing lines of the overall (lets say 'present') hexagram serve to lead you to its related ('future') hexagram.

So if I asked, "Anything I should keep in mind about my spiritual practise throughout the month?" and threw the coins for a value of (lowest line to highest) 7, 7, 8, 9,7, 7, I'd be left with the above picture. Important to note, you treat the changing line in its UNCHANGED form for your first hexagram IE the '9', or moving yang is treated as yang. I see the circle as blasting the middle out of it, turning it into yin So the 4th line on that first card, actually looked like -o- when I wrote it on paper.
10: Treading Carefully with a changing 4th line which leads to the hexagram 61:Centering in truth
To me, I would pay attention to the entirety of the first hexagram with specific notice to how changing line 4: "When you are certain of your ultimate success, even stomping on the tigers tail doesn't matter. The most important thing is to take action when conditions are favourable. Even so, great caution and consideration should be taken beforehand so that the outcome is clear before you make your move." relates to the 'future' hex of "Centering in truth". I take into consideration the CONDITION, JUDGEMENT and IMAGE of both the 'present' and 'future/transformed' hex but do not take into account any of the "degrees of change" from the second hex because the whole thing has already been changed.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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But you may be right that changing lines are only relevant in certain positions, not sure.
Looks like Lithop confirmed that.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28400610 - 07/19/23 11:10 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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syncro said: But you may be right that changing lines are only relevant in certain positions, not sure.
Looks like Lithop confirmed that.
Do you reckon I did? Changing line in any position should be taken into consideration I believe. I might be misinterpreting your post, it's been known to happen You could throw a whole hexagrams worth of changing lines.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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I reckoned it. I thought you're saying you left that position of the nine, though a moving line, as in original, and took the transformation which to me seemed to confirm it in the hexes in the upper right corners of the cards. Only the fourth from the bottom was changed, whereas I figure the nine corresponds to the third from the bottom which was not transformed. As well I'm not clear on how you are identifying moving/changing lines from the numbers.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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OK, an attempt to clarify a little. What I meant was considering changing lines in the decision to consider the transformation of the hex. We don't always consider the transformation, since sometimes we don't get changing lines, and also we may not consider the transformation even if we do have changing lines.?
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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syncro said: I reckoned it. I thought you're saying you left that position of the nine, though a moving line, as in original, and took the transformation which to me seemed to confirm it in the hexes in the upper right corners of the cards. Only the fourth from the bottom was changed, whereas I figure the nine corresponds to the third from the bottom which was not transformed. As well I'm not clear on how you are identifying moving/changing lines from the numbers.
Ok, I feel you. So when throwing coins, you throw them as a group of 3, 6 times. This gives you your 6 lines that comprise your hexagram. One side ofthe coin is ascribed value of 2 and the other 3, let say 2 for tails and 3 for heads.
So in this case the cast was: First throw: 2, 2 and 3 for 7 IE __ (Stable/ young Yin). Second throw: 2, 2 and 3 for __ again. Third throw: 3, 3 and 2 for 8 IE _ _ (Stable / youngYang).
FOURTH THROW 3, 3 and 3 for 9 IE -o- (moving/changing/ Old Yang) ^see how the fourth line up is the first changing or 'unstable' line?
Then the last 3 (oops my bad) 2 throws gave a numeric value that doesn't signify a changing line.
If it looks fucking complicated I'm sorry 
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syncro said: since sometimes we don't get changing lines, and also we may not consider the transformation even if we do have changing lines.?
If you get changing lines it's my understanding that you have to consider the transformation and how it leads to the 2nd created hexagram but if you threw, say, all 7's then there would be NO TRANSFORMED hexagram- as there were no 'unstable lines' so you would only get one hexagram that you would have to glean all information from (until you look at more complex castin methods... but lets not )
Hope that makes sense dude, I'm aware it reads like some real Pepe Silvia shit

:EDIT: some numerical mistake about 'other 2, not 3' throws cleared up... and yin/ yang shit.... Sorry man, doh
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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Ok, so my previous assumption was off and I see the 4th row change. Why is 3+3+3=9, changing?
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28400736 - 07/19/23 01:09 PM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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syncro said: Ok, so my previous assumption was off and I see the 4th row change. Why is 3+3+3=9, changing?
I'm not 100% sure on how/ why in some sense but from lowest value to highest, 2+2+2 equalling 6 is changing, anything equal to 7 or 8 is stable and 3+3+3 is 9 and thus changing/unstable.
I can't really explain why because I don't know how to/ don't remember why, the best I can offer is that it's about being able to get the full range from stable Yin and Yang to unstable Yin and Yang energies expressed in the cast.
Apologies that I can't clear that up any better man
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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The wiki and iching online go into the working with different probabilities created by the various methods, the yarrow stalk method having old yang more likely than old yin, etc.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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At I Ching Online we use the 3 Coins method, where the chance for an Old Yin is equal to that for an Old Yang, but with the yarrow stalk method, the chance for an Old Yin to appear is three times more rare than for an Old Yang.
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3 Coins method Yarrow Stalk method old yang 1 / 8 3 / 16 young yin 3 / 8 7 / 16 young yang 3 / 8 5 / 16 old yin 1 / 8 1 / 16
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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At I Ching Online we use the 3 Coins method, where the chance for an Old Yin is equal to that for an Old Yang, but with the yarrow stalk method, the chance for an Old Yin to appear is three times more rare than for an Old Yang.
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syncro said: 3 Coins method Yarrow Stalk method old yang 1 / 8 3 / 16 young yin 3 / 8 7 / 16 young yang 3 / 8 5 / 16 old yin 1 / 8 1 / 16
Interesting, I wonder why.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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Yang more likely to becoming, Yin more to being?
I wonder if the other versions changed it for convenience or other. Checking the wiki again I see that most methods listed do appear to retain the probabilities of the yarrow stalk method. Modified three coin method, two and four coins methods retain them.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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syncro said: I wonder if the other versions changed it for convenience or other. Checking the wiki again I see that most methods listed do appear to retain the probabilities of the yarrow stalk method. Modified three coin method, two and four coins methods retain them.
All certainly seem more convenient than bone crack method
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop] 1
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"The oracle bones bear the earliest known significant corpus of ancient Chinese writing" Interesting.
"No one can know how many oracle bones, prior to 1899, were ground up by traditional Chinese pharmacies and disappeared into people's stomachs."
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28401386 - 07/20/23 04:35 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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I did an inquiry: Yang more likely to becoming, Yin more to being?
And got Enthusiasm becoming Stagnation.
Perhaps Yang losing its becoming has reflection in modern times. Or in the transformed hex,
Heaven and Earth move away from each other. In the ensuing void, the small invade where the great have departed. There is no common meeting ground, so the Superior Person must fall back on his inner worth and decline the rewards offered by the inferior invaders.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28401392 - 07/20/23 04:40 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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Admittedly that was unfair in general to the three coin method that lessens Yang's becoming relatively.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28401397 - 07/20/23 04:56 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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Two changing lines in the transformation.
Compulsive enthusiasm can be set right if it learns from its mistakes.
Thorough self-diagnosis of his own affliction keeps him safely from the brink of fatal error.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28401418 - 07/20/23 05:34 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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Cyclical patterns may be evident
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Repulse the Monkey (Taijiquan Movement)

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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28401491 - 07/20/23 06:46 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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...and yet duplication is expected, perhaps not to the extent of monoculture.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Inquiry: Can the world improve, or is it just a monkey (karma) factory?
The Caldron
Fire rises hot and bright from the Wood beneath the sacrificial caldron: The Superior Person positions himself correctly within the flow of Cosmic forces.
Supreme Accomplishment.
SITUATION ANALYSIS: Your needs are coming into harmony with the requirements of the Cosmos. Blending brilliantly with the Dance of Life, you are becoming an actual element of Cosmic Law. Your goals will now be realized because you no longer cut against the Cosmic grain; you are no longer swimming against the flow of the Tao. You are acquiring an intuitive sense of what can and cannot be, and aligning your efforts accordingly.
One changing line:
Tip over the caldron and get rid of its stagnant contents once and for all. He marries a woman to give her children a home. Blameless.
Transformed hex is to Great Treasures
The Fire of clarity illuminates the Heavens to those below: The Superior Person possesses great inner treasures -- compassion, economy, and modesty. These treasures allow the benevolent will of Heaven to flow through him outward to curb evil and to further good.
Supreme success.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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Well that certainly upstaged Preston & Child's Pendergast.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28401603 - 07/20/23 09:27 AM (6 months, 5 days ago) |
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Inquiry: What of the problem of not having read the Pendergast series?
Following
Thunder beneath the Lake's surface. The Superior Person allows himself plenty of sheltered rest and recuperation while awaiting a clear sign to follow.
Supreme success. No mistakes if you keep to your course.
SITUATION ANALYSIS: Thunder from the Lake -- the lulling, rhythmic roar of the faithful tide, eternally wearing away the stone of the shoreline, forever obedient to the phases of the moon. The pull of the moon on the tide is the Following called for now. As mighty as the tide is in its own right, it is ever the puppet of the invisible, irresistible gravity of the moon. What cyclical forces pull you along? Are you futilely attempting to resist a natural attraction?
No changing lines.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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Re: "proper" and "half assed"
Perhaps Yeats' "the center cannot hold" refers to the mule headed human predilection towards standards of conduct, by which half assed can be considered a compliment in disguise.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said: Re: "proper" and "half assed"
Perhaps Yeats' "the center cannot hold" refers to the mule headed human predilection towards standards of conduct, by which half assed can be considered a compliment in disguise.
Hmm, I think it plays into a message I sent syncro about consulting these things, as much as it does your mention standards of conduct:
"'Consulting the oracle' on the basis of tossing coins is recommended. The temporary abandonment of our own efforts to control external events (in this case the choosing of which chapter we should read) accords with the overall I Ching philosophy which puts its emphasis, first, upon our reaction to given events. Only then may we seek to gain any influence over them. In this way, by tossing coins, one avoids taking oneself too seriously (a prerequisite of detatchment) whilst, at the same time, preparing one's mind for the serious assesment of an unexpected train of thought and its relevance to one's situation. If the results appear relevant, as is often the case, then it is the interaction between the reader and the I Ching that has made them so, not the coins. The principle of auto-suggestion is essential to the I Ching. Consulting the same chapter in differing circumstances will prompt differing trains of thought. It is the reader who infuses such appropriateness as he may find to his specific situation- perhaps by the unlocking of just a little of his unconscious mind." :edit: ^not my words, it's from the Wilhelm edition. I haven't read "The Second Coming" or in fact much of Yeats in general, mostly being aware of him through his involvement with The Golden Dawn. I'll check out some of his stuff
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
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I made an inquiry which gave confirmation of some things, then I asked a follow up question which repeated the previous transformation, changing to another relevant hex. Amazing the I Ching.
As for not wanting negative answers, I'm learning that it is all for, and leads to ways to being in tune, it seems.
Then, asking another follow up question, I got the same result of the last transformation In other words, it is being consistent with the line of questioning.
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syncro said: I made an inquiry which gave confirmation of some things, then I asked a follow up question which repeated the previous transformation, changing to another relevant hex. Amazing the I Ching.
As for not wanting negative answers, I'm learning that it is all for, and leads to ways to being in tune, it seems.
Then, asking another follow up question, I got the same result of the last transformation In other words, it is being consistent with the line of questioning.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28403449 - 07/22/23 02:00 AM (6 months, 4 days ago) |
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My involvement as an incidental accessory to God's plan is indicative of the cards shuffling themselves.
My involvement as an incidental instrument to providence is in this occasion late night doom scrolling so that this comment would find me. Thank you fellow conduit <3
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28405312 - 07/23/23 02:48 PM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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I was going to ask about associating I Ching and Tarot but did a search.
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A System of Correspondences between the I Ching and Tarot.
The I Ching (the Book of Changes) and the Tarot Cards are two great mantic systems created in different times and entirely different cultures - Zhou China and Medieval Europe respectively.
Both systems do not only deal with divination but also convey the ancient wisdom symbolically and reveal mysteries of the universe and human being.
Both systems contain a fixed set of symbols, each expressed with formal signs (lines of hexagrams, symbols and suits of cards) and symbolic images (aphorisms attached to hexagrams and lines, pictures and divination meanings of cards).
Taking into consideration such essential typological resemblance, one can ask a natural question whether each of these systems expresses concepts meaningful in the context of the corresponding culture only, or the Tarot cards and I Ching hexagrams are different symbolical manifestations of the same archetypical ideas whose universality is deeper than their specific way of representations accepted in one or another culture.
If the assumption about universal archetypal source of the Tarot an I Ching meanings is correct then there should exist a mutually unique correspondence between hexagrams and cards.
Two principal differences in the structure of these systems are striking even after superficial acquaintance with them. First, these systems have a different number of elements: the Tarot deck contains 78 cards, while the I Ching comprises 64 hexagrams. Second, 64 hexagrams are of equal rank while Tarot cards are divided into 22 Major and 56 Minor Arcana.
Let us note that the number of cards exceeds the number of hexagrams by 14 (78 - 64 = 14). This is an important number for the Tarot since 14 is the number of cards in each suit of the Minor Arcana.
It goes on and provides a correlation. http://hermenes.com/Homepage/ichintaro_en.htm
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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"If the assumption about universal archetypal source of the Tarot an I Ching meanings is correct then there should exist a mutually unique correspondence between hexagrams and cards."-
I'm just following the bread crumbs.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28406022 - 07/24/23 07:24 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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What is Hsiao 0? Is there a diagram for the simple Yin? Can you give a link to your quote?
The thought of correspondence came up again because I was looking at a hex that reminded me of the Fool.
It doesn't seem consistent; on the other hand perhaps good advice for the Fool, but the source I linked corresponds it with
62. Preponderance of the small
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Legge: Small Powers indicates that there will be progress and attainment in small affairs, but not in great affairs. It will be advantageous to be firm and correct. It is like the song of a flying bird: It is better to descend than to ascend. In this way there will be good fortune.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Preponderance of the Small. Success. Perseverance furthers. Small things may be done; great things should not be done. The flying bird brings the message: It is not well to strive upward, it is well to remain below. Great good fortune.
Blofeld: The Small Get By -- success! Persistence in a righteous course brings reward. Small things can be accomplished now, but not great ones. When birds fly high, their singing is out of tune. The humble, but not the mighty, are favored now with great good fortune. [To aim high now would be to put ourselves out of accord with the times.]
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"Play also may give us a resilience that seriousness lacks. Like a drunk falling out of a wagon, we bounce better.
The Fool is celebrated in many ways in human tradition, particularly in religion. Most famously, perhaps, we have โExcept ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.โ (Mat 18:3). Zen speaks of Beginnerโs Mind or chลซxฤซn. Associated from early on with the element of Air, he is the original airhead. Breathing in the air is the root of the word inspiration, and breath itself is the second meaning of many words in many languages that also mean spirit: pneuma, spiritus, ruach, prana, and to some extent, the Chinese Qรฌ. The Sufis sometimes refer lo living the holy life as โBeing breathed by Allah.โ Zhuangzi references the importance of letting breath take us when he says โThe breathing of the true man comes from his heels.โ"
"103...is that like 13?"
I Ching 13 is Fellowship or Union of Forces, socialization
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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Inquiry: Relation of I Ching to other Oracles
Bonding
Deep Waters on the face of the Earth: Surface waters flow together. The Superior Person recognizes the situation calls for joining together. Thus he cultivates friendly relations with all.
Good fortune is possible. Cast the coins again to discover if you have the qualities needed to lead such a group. Then there will be no error. Those uncertain will gradually join. Those who join too late will meet with misfortune.
SITUATION ANALYSIS: This is a time of connection with another or others -- not just an alliance, but a melding of parts into a new whole. Such a connection may be too close, too intense for some. Consult the oracle again to see if you have the qualities needed to strengthen and withstand such an intense synthesis.
Two changing lines:
Devotion comes from deep inside you. Good fortune if you keep to your course. - Confidently and sincerely seeking union. His devotion to you and to truth makes this alliance correct.
Unexpected good fortune.
Transformation:
Limitations
Waters difficult to keep within the Lake's banks: The Superior Person examines the nature of virtue and makes himself a standard that can be followed.
Self-discipline brings success; but restraints too binding bring self-defeat.
SITUATION ANALYSIS: Cultivating the proper disciplines and the proper degree of discipline are the concerns of this hexagram. By limiting options, you may give more attention to priorities. One who is all over the map is no less lost than one without a map. Avoid asceticism, however. Deprivation is not wise discipline. The key here is regulation, not restriction.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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Inquiry: "Consult the oracle again to see if you have the qualities needed to strengthen and withstand such an intense synthesis."
Following
Thunder beneath the Lake's surface. The Superior Person allows himself plenty of sheltered rest and recuperation while awaiting a clear sign to follow.
Supreme success. No mistakes if you keep to your course.
SITUATION ANALYSIS: Thunder from the Lake -- the lulling, rhythmic roar of the faithful tide, eternally wearing away the stone of the shoreline, forever obedient to the phases of the moon. The pull of the moon on the tide is the Following called for now. As mighty as the tide is in its own right, it is ever the puppet of the invisible, irresistible gravity of the moon. What cyclical forces pull you along? Are you futilely attempting to resist a natural attraction?
Two changing lines:
By virtue of your wise heart, you are followed by a leader. Come down from your mountain, and you will be rewarded with another.
To find what you seek, you must leave the child and follow the adult.
Transformation:
Social Mechanism
Heaven reflects the Flame of clarity: The Superior Person analyzes the various levels and working parts of the social structure, and uses them to advantage.
Success if you keep to your course. You may cross to the far shore.
SITUATION ANALYSIS: This is a matter of Positioning -- not only yourself, but others as well. There are niches to be filled, potentials to be realized, right livelihoods to be found. You are not building a new organization, but shoring up an existing infrastructure. It's worth the effort, because it will provide union, community, and an ironclad alliance.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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Too over-the-top, I'm hitting a nicotine vape in an effort to ground myself.
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#28406948 - 07/24/23 07:39 PM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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The last of the pouch Many engagements approach I sit on the fence
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28407426 - 07/25/23 04:40 AM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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"Many engagements approach"
Capital conquest Decapitation as planned
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28407432 - 07/25/23 04:59 AM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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Just social, though you may be right.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28407451 - 07/25/23 06:05 AM (6 months, 1 day ago) |
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The minds of men are unassailable in their convictions.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28408936 - 07/26/23 09:02 AM (5 months, 30 days ago) |
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With proper devotion and consideration progress can be made in presentation of philosophical contexts.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro] 1
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I thought of the thread titled around the pain of sobriety I think in the well-being forum, nevertheless thought to put it here since we're I Chinging. Hopefully gives some insight; I thought so. The question of randomness aside, nevertheless the results can give balance and inspiration.
Turning within and repeating the question until satisfied the thought has been isolated.
Inquiry: Why do we make sobriety painful?
Eclipsing the Light
Warmth and Light are swallowed by Deep Darkness: The Superior Person shows his brilliance by keeping it veiled among the masses.
Stay true to your course, despite the visible obstacles ahead.
SITUATION ANALYSIS: This time calls for a saintly effort to turn the other cheek. You have been deliberately injured. Going blow-for-blow will only escalate this war. Abstain from vengeance. Show all watching that you are above it. Sidestep your aggressor's headlong charge, giving him the opportunity to fall on his face.
Three changing lines:
The wounded pheasant is captured. Despite its fright, this is a turn for the better. - The pheasant senses danger and flees the jaws of the trap. Descending into the belly of the beast, the man beholds the true face of evil. In revulsion and despair, he flees what he knows he can never defeat. - The wounded pheasant hesitates outside the grain-filled cage.
The man chases the agent of darkness back into the night, risking his own safety in the shadowy domain.
Transformation:
Back to Following.
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Straying into folly, though we always return to our stance. I thought of an old rugby coach: "Basics, basics, basics!"
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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Inquiry: "The wounded pheasant is captured. Despite its fright, this is a turn for the better."
Dissolution
The King approaches his temple.
One changing line:
His ego dissolves and the void is filled with his Self. No more fear and frustration.
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#28410681 - 07/27/23 05:44 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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I've been subscribed to Clarity's emails for a long time. I think she doesn't send much these days, or haven't been paying attention, though the I Ching has now got it.
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#28410702 - 07/27/23 06:02 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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The king and the dark bird.
Once upon a time there was as a bird who had dark impulses and visited a wise hermit for counsel. "You are the king over your impulses" said the hermit "Take heed to your mind and not let your heart rule your head." The dark bird thanked the hermit and returned to his knoll where he took the hermit's council and feasted on the king's grain.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28411102 - 07/28/23 12:35 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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That was off-the-cuff and could use some finessing.
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The bird was likened to the eclipse or Wounding of the Light, reminding also of Rahu.
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Rahu, also known as "Dragon's Head" in Vedic astrology, is one of the nine celestial bodies or planets considered in Hindu astrology. In Vedic astrology, Rahu is an imaginary or shadowy planet, not a physical celestial body like the Sun or Moon. It is depicted as a head of a demon or serpent.
In Hindu mythology, Rahu is associated with the legend of the churning of the cosmic ocean (Samudra Manthan) by the gods (Devas) and demons (Asuras) to obtain the elixir of immortality (Amrita). During the churning, Rahu, a demon, disguised himself as a god and managed to drink a few drops of the elixir. Before he could swallow it, the Sun and the Moon, who noticed his deception, alerted Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu then swiftly beheaded Rahu with his Sudarshan Chakra (a divine discus). However, because Rahu had already consumed a few drops of the elixir, his head became immortal, and he became a separate celestial body.
In astrology, Rahu is considered a malefic or shadow planet, associated with various aspects such as:
Ambition and desire: Rahu represents material desires, ambition, and craving for worldly achievements and success.
Obsession: It is associated with obsessive tendencies and an unquenchable thirst for fulfillment.
Illusions and deceptions: Rahu is linked to illusion, deception, and a tendency to see things differently from reality.
Unexpected events: It is associated with sudden and unpredictable events, both positive and negative.
In Vedic astrology, Rahu and its opposite, Ketu (the "Dragon's Tail"), are known as the lunar nodes. They are points where the Moon's orbit intersects with the ecliptic plane of the Earth. The movement of Rahu and Ketu is considered significant in Vedic astrology, as they are believed to influence a person's destiny and karmic patterns.
It's important to note that astrology, including the interpretation of Rahu, is a complex and multifaceted belief system with cultural and philosophical significance in various societies. Different astrologers may have varying interpretations and perspectives on the significance of Rahu and its effects on individuals' lives.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
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King Solo-mon and djinn raise high the roof beams I presume?
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I suppose we're lucky if it's only manifesting as relatively minor (ahem) addiction problems, currently anyway.
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 54. The true nature of things is to be known personally , through the eyes of clear illumination and not through a sage : what the moon exactly is , is to be known with one's own eyes ; can another make him know it?
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Oh but that grabs the heart in memory.
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Reach out your hand if your cup be empty If your cup is full may it be again Let it be known there is a fountain That was not made by the hands of men
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#28412642 - 07/29/23 10:03 AM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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The lyrics of that song are so deeeeep I feel like throughout my life I've found different meanings in them too , I suppose all art is like that
Mainly shared because the cool tarot video the song itself a plus
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#28412646 - 07/29/23 10:04 AM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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There is a road, no simple highway Between the dawn and the dark of night And if you go, no one may follow That path is for your steps alone
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 54. The true nature of things is to be known personally , through the eyes of clear illumination and not through a sage : what the moon exactly is , is to be known with one's own eyes ; can another make him know it?
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I'm too much of a softy to like that part. Alone by choice, and not otherwise, I'll take.
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Or, consciousness is never alone with itself.
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 54. The true nature of things is to be known personally , through the eyes of clear illumination and not through a sage : what the moon exactly is , is to be known with one's own eyes ; can another make him know it?
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Reminds me I've been wanting to share a vision. I was in japa some time ago, and fairly well absorbed, in dark bliss void; it was becoming integrated nicely. My mantra vibrated like a song in the darkness and was blissfilled exhilarance. The form of an African village woman appeared in my vision, and was raising her hands to me, sharing joy and urging on.
Now and then there is some connection to powerful wonderful spirit in that heritage, and it reminded as around that time Asante was talking about associations.
Not isolated to that heritage though are the experiences, but this one so notable. Heritage as such is not relevant to me, but she had the get up of a villager like Masai or something, and to connect with indigenous spirit like that, salt of the earth and really high in heart.
I have with native americans some. I think a time or two with aborigine looking fellows from down under. All kinds. This is not to mention those that appear to be from higher realms, middling, and lower, but not so much of the earth.
All in my head, fine. Doctors don't lock me up.
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Spectacle said: Nerds
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: connectedcosmos]
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Looking at that song again, what's the gator in the hermetarotology?
Oh yeah, the crocodile plays in the Fool card.
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Foolish wit?
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#28460528 - 09/06/23 12:28 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Hermetic herpatology Nah dude I only do crocodile cards
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You guys clearly haven't been taking tarot seriously enough and it shows.
I have a system where I meditate with amethyst, blue kyanite, and black obsidian. Afterward, I place tarot cards on an open windowsill with pieces of bread on them. A crow that visits me daily takes pieces of bread from the cards, and I choose the ones that are missing bread for my readings.
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Powdered_Toastman said: You guys clearly haven't been taking tarot seriously enough and it shows.
Don't even bother these guys are amateurs... They use no microcosmic methods such as the crow one you described to bring the chaos of the universe into the cards and actually make them speak
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Spectacle]
#28461416 - 09/07/23 10:17 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Spectacle said: They use no microcosmic methods such as the crow one you described to bring the chaos of the universe into the cards and actually make them speak
Some people's kids..
-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
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Powdered_Toastman said:
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Spectacle said: They use no microcosmic methods such as the crow one you described to bring the chaos of the universe into the cards and actually make them speak
Some people's kids..
Shunryu Suzuki;
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In the beginnerโs mind there are many possibilities, but in the expertโs mind there are few.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: spinvis] 1
#28461427 - 09/07/23 10:36 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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its okay for everyone to be a little jealous, these things take a lot of effort and actual practice, not just some game
-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
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Powdered_Toastman said: its okay for everyone to be a little jealous, these things take a lot of effort and actual practice, not just some game 
Thank you toastman If you want to play card games there is always uno
It upsets me when people diminish the effectiveness and magic of the craft by thinking they can just jump in and paint their nails black or whatever
Its really hard to have patience for those who don't have the respect or purity of motive
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: spinvis] 1
#28461445 - 09/07/23 11:26 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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spinvis said:
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In the beginnerโs mind there are many possibilities, but in the expertโs mind there are few.
I tried to answer to Powdered Toastman's Thread on intrusive thoughts...it seems we don't like them because they are counter to our sense of justice, but if they aligned with our moral compass they wouldn't be intrusive.
So the thoughts expressed in the background here could be surreptitious motions towards something, which might be said of everything.
In an experts eye then learning to appreciate the view in depth can add to the experience.
Edited by Buster_Brown (09/07/23 11:27 AM)
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Spectacle]
#28461482 - 09/07/23 12:22 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Spectacle said:
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Powdered_Toastman said: its okay for everyone to be a little jealous, these things take a lot of effort and actual practice, not just some game 
Thank you toastman If you want to play card games there is always uno
It upsets me when people diminish the effectiveness and magic of the craft by thinking they can just jump in and paint their nails black or whatever
Its really hard to have patience for those who don't have the respect or purity of motive
Right?? Like um excuse me, were not playing pokemon cards over here. Thanks.
Ugh.
I need to go hold on to a rose quartz or somethin
-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28461595 - 09/07/23 02:35 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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I tried to answer to Powdered Toastman's Thread on intrusive thoughts...it seems we don't like them because they are counter to our sense of justice, but if they aligned with our moral compass they wouldn't be intrusive.
So the thoughts expressed in the background here could be surreptitious motions towards something, which might be said of everything.
In an experts eye then learning to appreciate the view in depth can add to the experience.
Listen here bunghole! Crocodile cards are not that simple
You can't just post little angles on a thread and expect things to adhere to the rules of uno.
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Toast, I am supremely sauced over this wretch. What do we do?
@Buttholebrown: Why don't u take ur little paper airplanes and sail on out of this thread.
Here, let me help you out</font></font>
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Spectacle] 2
#28461614 - 09/07/23 02:58 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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My first attempt at the Ouija Board sounded like this...Dejavu
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28461645 - 09/07/23 03:48 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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I meditated on this, then blindfolded opened the i-ching
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38.ย ย Opposition
When there is opposition, it is lucky if it is a small matter.
OVERALL JUDGMENT
In opposition, fire moves upward and moisture moves downward; two women live together but their wills do not go the same way. Joyfully clinging to light, flexibility progressing upward, action attains centered balance and responds to firm strength. This is why it is lucky if it is a small affair. Sky and earth are opposite, yet their work is the same; males and females are opposite, yet their wills commune. All beings are different, but their concerns are similar. The timely use of opposition is very important!
IMAGE
Fire above and moisture below symbolize opposition. Cultured people assimilate yet are different.
COMPONENTS
1 yang. Regret disappears. If you lose the horse, do not chase it; it will return on its own. If you see evil people, you will be blameless. Image. Seeing evil people means you thereby avoid error. 2 yang. When you meet the master in an alley, there is no blame. Image. When you meet the master in an alley, that means you have not lost the Way. 3 yin. Having the vehicle dragged and the ox halted, that person is being punished by heaven. Though there was no beginning, there will be a conclusion. Image. Having the vehicle dragged means the position is not appropriate. Though there was no beginning, there will be a conclusion; that is, on meeting the firm and strong. 4 yang. When isolated by opposition, if you meet good people, interact truthfully, and you will be impeccable even in danger. Image. Impeccability through truthful interaction means aims are carried out through purposeful action. 5 yin. Regret disappears. When the clan has punished its own, what is wrong with proceeding onward? Image. When the clan has punished its own, it will be joyful to proceed onward. 6 yang. When you are isolated by opposition, you see pigs covered with mire and a wagonload of demons. The bows drawn at first are the bows later put down. They are not enemies but partners. Proceeding onward, it is lucky if rain is encountered. Image. The luck of encountering rain means that all sorts of doubts and suspicions disappear.
Then I asked my handicapped rooster his opinion: 'Cuck-a-la-cucks-hoo'.
It's like the stars aligned!
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: spinvis] 1
#28461660 - 09/07/23 04:05 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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I'll delve into UCM Angel calendar...: https://www.ucm.center/en/the-72-angels/angel-33-yehuiah/
33 is right on the cuff at 9/7/23
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28461726 - 09/07/23 05:23 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Enables us to unmask traitors and uncover schemes and plotting
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Spectacle]
#28461774 - 09/07/23 06:18 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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I got
K'an / Dangerously Deep
Water follows Water, spilling over any cliff, flowing past all obstacles, no matter the depth or distance
one changing line:
Deep beneath the earth, he falls into an even deeper chasm. Perilous.
Transformation:
A man's gotta know his limitations.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro] 1
#28461859 - 09/07/23 07:44 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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My intention in asking was in sport, just fun, also if Mama Sunny was needed to be brought into this. The result could be to me for asking the question.
 Mama Sunny just wants love.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28462115 - 09/08/23 05:39 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: The question "what can one do that makes one do the most progress possible"
The spread:

you have taken dishonorable gains or had them taken from you.
Don't be a miser taking comfort in worldly possessions
you are at the beginning of the hero's journey, its ok to make mistakes.
make it a spiritual journey.
-------------------- Omnicyclion.org higher knowledge starts here
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Asante]
#28462326 - 09/08/23 11:15 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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syncro said: My intention in asking was in sport, just fun, also if Mama Sunny was needed to be brought into this. The result could be to me for asking the question.
 Mama Sunny just wants love.
I do not grant entry. 124, untouchable number. I have turned my life over to christ. My schemes dissolves to things beyond me... Once in the colors blue yellow green When my angels screamed "our boy is dieing"
   Synestaesia, I started to listen.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Spectacle]
#28462388 - 09/08/23 12:44 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Interesting the descriptions of her. There is one of a monstrous elemental demonic hag who rules a realm to which people go for a time who have had imbalances with lust. I was picturing her as Mama Sunny, and as a general harassing influence.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28462393 - 09/08/23 12:58 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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I suspect she's of Buddhist persuasion if she has a problem with the struggle and motivation of desire.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28462418 - 09/08/23 01:34 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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It would seem to fit but this was from one of the spiritualist books.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Spectacle]
#28462435 - 09/08/23 02:05 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Spectacle said: When my angels screamed "our boy is dieing"
   Synestaesia, I started to listen.
Roundabout lyrics: 'in and out the valley' may infer coitus interuptus
Edited by Buster_Brown (09/08/23 02:06 PM)
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