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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28402524 - 07/21/23 05:59 AM (6 months, 5 days ago)

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Buster_Brown said:
Re: "proper" and "half assed"

Perhaps Yeats' "the center cannot hold" refers to the mule headed human predilection towards standards of conduct, by which half assed can be considered a compliment in disguise.




Hmm, I think it plays into a message I sent syncro about consulting these things, as much as it does your mention standards of conduct:

"'Consulting the oracle' on the basis of tossing coins is recommended. The temporary abandonment of our own efforts to control external events (in this case the choosing of which chapter we should read) accords with the overall I Ching philosophy which puts its emphasis, first, upon our reaction to given events. Only then may we seek to gain any influence over them.
In this way, by tossing coins, one avoids taking oneself too seriously (a prerequisite of detatchment) whilst, at the same time, preparing one's mind for the serious assesment of an unexpected train of thought and its relevance to one's situation. If the results appear relevant, as is often the case, then it is the interaction between the reader and the I Ching that has made them so, not the coins.
The principle of auto-suggestion is essential to the I Ching. Consulting the same chapter in differing circumstances will prompt differing trains of thought. It is the reader who infuses such appropriateness as he may find to his specific situation- perhaps by the unlocking of just a little of his unconscious mind."

:edit:
^not my words, it's from the Wilhelm edition.
I haven't read "The Second Coming" or in fact much of Yeats in general, mostly being aware of him through his involvement with The Golden Dawn. I'll check out some of his stuff:thumbup:


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
    #28402748 - 07/21/23 10:36 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)

I made an inquiry which gave confirmation of some things, then I asked a follow up question which repeated the previous transformation, changing to another relevant hex. Amazing the I Ching.

As for not wanting negative answers, I'm learning that it is all for, and leads to ways to being in tune, it seems.

Then, asking another follow up question, I got the same result of the last transformation :eek: In other words, it is being consistent with the line of questioning.


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28402816 - 07/21/23 12:09 PM (6 months, 4 days ago)

:wizard:
Quote:

syncro said:
I made an inquiry which gave confirmation of some things, then I asked a follow up question which repeated the previous transformation, changing to another relevant hex. Amazing the I Ching.

As for not wanting negative answers, I'm learning that it is all for, and leads to ways to being in tune, it seems.

Then, asking another follow up question, I got the same result of the last transformation :eek: In other words, it is being consistent with the line of questioning.



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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28403449 - 07/22/23 02:00 AM (6 months, 4 days ago)






My involvement as an incidental accessory to God's plan is indicative of the cards shuffling themselves.



My involvement as an incidental instrument to providence is in this occasion late night doom scrolling so that this comment would find me.
Thank you fellow conduit <3


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28405312 - 07/23/23 02:48 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

I was going to ask about associating I Ching and Tarot but did a search.

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A System of Correspondences between the I Ching and Tarot.

The I Ching (the Book of Changes) and the Tarot Cards are two great mantic systems created in different times and entirely different cultures - Zhou China and Medieval Europe respectively.

Both systems do not only deal with divination but also convey the ancient wisdom symbolically and reveal mysteries of the universe and human being.

Both systems contain a fixed set of symbols, each expressed with formal signs (lines of hexagrams, symbols and suits of cards) and symbolic images (aphorisms attached to hexagrams and lines, pictures and divination meanings of cards).

Taking into consideration such essential typological resemblance, one can ask a natural question whether each of these systems expresses concepts meaningful in the context of the corresponding culture only, or the Tarot cards and I Ching hexagrams are different symbolical manifestations of the same archetypical ideas whose universality is deeper than their specific way of representations accepted in one or another culture.

If the assumption about universal archetypal source of the Tarot an I Ching meanings is correct then there should exist a mutually unique correspondence between hexagrams and cards.

Two principal differences in the structure of these systems are striking even after superficial acquaintance with them. First, these systems have a different number of elements: the Tarot deck contains 78 cards, while the I Ching comprises 64 hexagrams. Second, 64 hexagrams are of equal rank while Tarot cards are divided into 22 Major and 56 Minor Arcana.

Let us note that the number of cards exceeds the number of hexagrams by 14 (78 - 64 = 14). This is an important number for the Tarot since 14 is the number of cards in each suit of the Minor Arcana.




It goes on and provides a correlation.
http://hermenes.com/Homepage/ichintaro_en.htm


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
    #28405602 - 07/23/23 08:08 PM (6 months, 2 days ago)

"If the assumption about universal archetypal source of the Tarot an I Ching meanings is correct then there should exist a mutually unique correspondence between hexagrams and cards."-

I'm just following the bread crumbs.




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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28406022 - 07/24/23 07:24 AM (6 months, 2 days ago)

What is Hsiao 0? Is there a diagram for the simple Yin? Can you give a link to your quote?

The thought of correspondence came up again because I was looking at a hex that reminded me of the Fool.

It doesn't seem consistent; on the other hand perhaps good advice for the Fool, but the source I linked corresponds it with

62. Preponderance of the small

from another site

Quote:

Legge: Small Powers indicates that there will be progress and attainment in small affairs, but not in great affairs. It will be advantageous to be firm and correct. It is like the song of a flying bird: It is better to descend than to ascend. In this way there will be good fortune.

Wilhelm/Baynes: Preponderance of the Small. Success. Perseverance furthers. Small things may be done; great things should not be done. The flying bird brings the message: It is not well to strive upward, it is well to remain below. Great good fortune.

Blofeld: The Small Get By -- success! Persistence in a righteous course brings reward. Small things can be accomplished now, but not great ones. When birds fly high, their singing is out of tune. The humble, but not the mighty, are favored now with great good fortune. [To aim high now would be to put ourselves out of accord with the times.]




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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
    #28406041 - 07/24/23 07:48 AM (6 months, 2 days ago)



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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28406066 - 07/24/23 08:35 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

"Play also may give us a resilience that seriousness lacks. Like a drunk falling out of a wagon, we bounce better.

The Fool is celebrated in many ways in human tradition, particularly in religion. Most famously, perhaps, we have โ€˜Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.โ€™ (Mat 18:3). Zen speaks of Beginnerโ€™s Mind or chลซxฤซn. Associated from early on with the element of Air, he is the original airhead. Breathing in the air is the root of the word inspiration, and breath itself is the second meaning of many words in many languages that also mean spirit: pneuma, spiritus, ruach, prana, and to some extent, the Chinese Qรฌ. The Sufis sometimes refer lo living the holy life as โ€˜Being breathed by Allah.โ€™ Zhuangzi references the importance of letting breath take us when he says โ€˜The breathing of the true man comes from his heels.โ€™"

"103...is that like 13?"

I Ching 13 is Fellowship or Union of Forces, socialization


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
    #28406918 - 07/24/23 07:02 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Inquiry: Relation of I Ching to other Oracles

Bonding

Deep Waters on the face of the Earth:
Surface waters flow together.
The Superior Person recognizes the situation calls for joining together.
Thus he cultivates friendly relations with all.

Good fortune is possible.
Cast the coins again to discover if you have the qualities needed to lead such a group.
Then there will be no error.
Those uncertain will gradually join.
Those who join too late will meet with misfortune.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
This is a time of connection with another or others -- not just an alliance, but a melding of parts into a new whole.
Such a connection may be too close, too intense for some.
Consult the oracle again to see if you have the qualities needed to strengthen and withstand such an intense synthesis.


Two changing lines:

Devotion comes from deep inside you.
Good fortune if you keep to your course.
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Confidently and sincerely seeking union.
His devotion to you and to truth makes this alliance correct.

Unexpected good fortune.


Transformation:

Limitations

Waters difficult to keep within the Lake's banks:
The Superior Person examines the nature of virtue and makes himself a standard that can be followed.

Self-discipline brings success; but restraints too binding bring self-defeat.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
Cultivating the proper disciplines and the proper degree of discipline are the concerns of this hexagram.
By limiting options, you may give more attention to priorities.
One who is all over the map is no less lost than one without a map.
Avoid asceticism, however.
Deprivation is not wise discipline.
The key here is regulation, not restriction.


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
    #28406924 - 07/24/23 07:09 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Inquiry: "Consult the oracle again to see if you have the qualities needed to strengthen and withstand such an intense synthesis."

Following

Thunder beneath the Lake's surface.
The Superior Person allows himself plenty of sheltered rest and recuperation while awaiting a clear sign to follow.

Supreme success.
No mistakes if you keep to your course.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
Thunder from the Lake -- the lulling, rhythmic roar of the faithful tide, eternally wearing away the stone of the shoreline, forever obedient to the phases of the moon.
The pull of the moon on the tide is the Following called for now.
As mighty as the tide is in its own right, it is ever the puppet of the invisible, irresistible gravity of the moon.
What cyclical forces pull you along?
Are you futilely attempting to resist a natural attraction?


Two changing lines:

By virtue of your wise heart, you are followed by a leader.
Come down from your mountain, and you will be rewarded with another.

To find what you seek, you must leave the child and follow the adult.


Transformation:

Social Mechanism

Heaven reflects the Flame of clarity:
The Superior Person analyzes the various levels and working parts of the social structure, and uses them to advantage.

Success if you keep to your course.
You may cross to the far shore.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
This is a matter of Positioning -- not only yourself, but others as well.
There are niches to be filled, potentials to be realized, right livelihoods to be found.
You are not building a new organization, but shoring up an existing infrastructure.
It's worth the effort, because it will provide union, community, and an ironclad alliance.


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
    #28406930 - 07/24/23 07:14 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Too over-the-top, I'm hitting a nicotine vape in an effort to ground myself.


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28406948 - 07/24/23 07:39 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

The last of the pouch
Many engagements approach
I sit on the fence


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
    #28407426 - 07/25/23 04:40 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

"Many engagements approach"

Capital conquest
Decapitation as planned


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28407432 - 07/25/23 04:59 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Just social, though you may be right.


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
    #28407451 - 07/25/23 06:05 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

The minds of men are unassailable in their convictions.


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28408936 - 07/26/23 09:02 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

With proper devotion and consideration progress can be made in presentation of philosophical contexts.





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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28408991 - 07/26/23 10:27 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

I thought of the thread titled around the pain of sobriety I think in the well-being forum, nevertheless thought to put it here since we're I Chinging. Hopefully gives some insight; I thought so. The question of randomness aside, nevertheless the results can give balance and inspiration.

Turning within and repeating the question until satisfied the thought has been isolated.

Inquiry: Why do we make sobriety painful?

Eclipsing the Light

Warmth and Light are swallowed by Deep Darkness:
The Superior Person shows his brilliance by keeping it veiled among the masses.

Stay true to your course, despite the visible obstacles ahead.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
This time calls for a saintly effort to turn the other cheek.
You have been deliberately injured.
Going blow-for-blow will only escalate this war.
Abstain from vengeance.
Show all watching that you are above it.
Sidestep your aggressor's headlong charge, giving him the opportunity to fall on his face.


Three changing lines:

The wounded pheasant is captured.
Despite its fright, this is a turn for the better.
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The pheasant senses danger and flees the jaws of the trap.
Descending into the belly of the beast, the man beholds the true face of evil.
In revulsion and despair, he flees what he knows he can never defeat.
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The wounded pheasant hesitates outside the grain-filled cage.

The man chases the agent of darkness back into the night, risking his own safety in the shadowy domain.


Transformation:

Back to Following.


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
    #28408996 - 07/26/23 10:33 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Straying into folly, though we always return to our stance. I thought of an old rugby coach: "Basics, basics, basics!"


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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
    #28410504 - 07/27/23 02:50 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

Inquiry: "The wounded pheasant is captured. Despite its fright, this is a turn for the better."

Dissolution

The King approaches his temple.


One changing line:

His ego dissolves and the void is filled with his Self.
No more fear and frustration.


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