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I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own 1
#28398418 - 07/17/23 08:05 AM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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The question "what can one do that makes one do the most progress possible"
The spread:

Looks to me like a time-line representation from the past on the left, the present, and the future on the right.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28398640 - 07/17/23 11:24 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Did an I-Ching asking about my reluctance to use such oracles, which is primarily I don't want to hear negative stuff. Second is having doubts about interpreting random sets of symbols.
I got water over water, danger.
Sincerity can win the day amidst pitfalls. (my words)
Perhaps, among other things, it means I can use them effectively with sincerity.
Again as I've said, we know things tend to suck, and I'd rather just go to the wish-fulfilling tree in which is transcendence, transmutation of the ten thousand dharmas. We all are doing the same thing, which is mitigation whether through witness, magic, love, war.
I-Ching on (apparent) desire for amelioration. This time I started with humble namaskar and request.
31 - Thirty-One Hsien / Attraction
The joyous Lake is cradled by the tranquil Mountain: The Superior Person takes great satisfaction in encouraging others along their journey. He draws them to him with his welcoming nature and genuine interest.
Supreme success.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28398660 - 07/17/23 11:36 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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See when I get an answer like that, I may not roll again for years. But the use of it with sincerity brought appreciation, and desire for more.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28398686 - 07/17/23 12:02 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Is the fool good or bad? It seems that spirited adventurer is nimble on the cliffside.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#28398703 - 07/17/23 12:19 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Given context of your question, perhaps leaving behind deceptive or delusional behaviours/mindsets from the past- in an intellectual sense (5 of Swords PAST) whilst still maintaining enough balance and security 'keeping enough for yourself' in your grounding and body (4 of Pentacles PRESENT) in order to wholly "take the leap" in your new endevour or the progression you wish to make (the Fool FUTURE). In this particular case the dog on the fool card could represent grasping of your old ways and well tread ego-structures that would stop you from making the progress you desire, had you chosen NOT to rise above your old predilections.
 I'm not much of a Tarot guy though, I consult the IChing for my divinatory needs (and in the case of this Tarot question, my GF )
What makes you think it has a mind of its own- did the deck shuffle itsself?
edit:missed a vital NOT in there.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro] 1
#28398707 - 07/17/23 12:20 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Ok, I-Ching is on a roll. We ask on various thread subjects. Let them be with sincerity and prayerfulness.
"Why does the mystical world hide itself?"
56 - Fifty-Six Lu / The Wanderer
Fire on the Mountain, catastrophic to man, a passing annoyance to the Mountain: The Superior Person waits for wisdom and clarity before exacting Justice, then lets no protest sway him.
Find satisfaction in small gains. To move constantly forward is good fortune to a Wanderer.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28398754 - 07/17/23 01:00 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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I viewed the magic as an effort to sew dissention in the ranks of the opposition in an attempt to divide and conquer.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28398778 - 07/17/23 01:13 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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That can be, but still for some perceived benefit.
I'm intimidated because you guys are pros, Lithop reply.
I have little experience but can offer a small invocation.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28398928 - 07/17/23 03:28 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: I viewed the magic as an effort to sew dissention in the ranks of the opposition in an attempt to divide and conquer.
Do you think it's this approach that is what the first card in the spread refers to? Using magic practise to impose your will on others is sticky, has spiteful connotation and suggests acrueing bad karma sometime. It certainly seems apt if that's the meaning you take from Five of Swords. Holistic Tarot by Benebell Wen says "Five of Swords also gives a sense that the seeker is [has] using a proverbial sledgehammer to crack a nut. The seeker is using more force than required and in that disproportion will suffer undesirable consequences." You'll know if that applies to your past and how it relates to your question.
100% makes me rethink what I said before about the Four of Pentacles... Maybe instead of it signifying keeping some for yourself it's the opposite. That you're still too connected to something or someone, that is hampering your progress. "Any sense of impoverishment is coming from attitude, and the seekers own material comfort is the obstacle." Doubling down on being more open to giving as well as open to opportunity rather than looking for more superficial satisfaction seems to be order of the day there.
 Still leads to what is somewhat blind faith IMO in that you still have to let go. Maybe the charge of the first 2 cards leads to the inevitable drop into the unknown but trusting from the present certainly seems to makes sense in the carefree Fool. Perhaps you're being pointed at adopting some lifestyle/ mindset changes that allow you to trust in things outside of yourself more? Or just to rekindle some motivation without obsessing around how it will particularly benefit you.
edit: and you can confirm the deck DID NOT shuffle itsself?
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syncro said: See when I get an answer like that, I may not roll again for years. But the use of it with sincerity brought appreciation, and desire for more.
 Interesting post there about your reluctance to divination too, syncro. But it's healthy I think, if you're using these methods all the time without strict adherence to certain rules, proper bias checking whathaveyou then you've got to take it with tongue in cheek- in not putting too much weight on the answer.
Outside of the notion of spirit or character running through these things (I personally believe theres an aspect of that to it), the depth of self reflection brought on by proper study inevitably has you project apsects of your own personality onto the way the reading is delivered. Way more apparant when you haven't taken the adequete time to do the reading properly, half assed sort of one.
That has lead me to deem my old Wilhelm I Ching a "Paper magic 8 ball piece of shit!" and discontinuing use for a while on a few ocassions either getting a playful spook out of it but more often I just felt sassed by some reading.
Ultimately though, yes, you're right- I reckon ritualising/ giving the proper heed to the reading, coming at it from a place of reverence and - as you said- sincerity will put you more in touch with the 'proper' channel of the 'thing' you're working with You get out the level of concentration you put in and too much questioning without holding up your side of things muddies the waters, you got to be able to turn it into some actionable shit. I see these rituals, practices & teachings at their very least as valid psychological vehicles to do self healing/refinement, enacting inner change and perspective shifting toward living a better life, creating a more coherent sense of overall harmony.
After a while, lessons learned from the teachings carry into how you perform the actions in your daily life and the hands on learning from the actions carry back over into how you percieve/ interpret the teachings going forward. Learning like that allows me a very rewarding way of taking in this world with all its mundanities and mysteries, IMO.

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syncro said: Is the fool good or bad? It seems that spirited adventurer is nimble on the cliffside.
I think it's down to context but I'm not 100% dude, he CERTAINLY looks nimble as fuck!
 P.S ACTsmokey has a dank 8bit The Fool avatar .
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
#28399063 - 07/17/23 05:49 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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to you, good teacher. We'll see about my divinations. I still want to toss some on general thread topics maybe. I'm waiting to see if anyone recognizes a connection in one of the I Ching readings I did. It's a secret. 
Perhaps it is that I prefer divination, not that it is my practice, but not through external tech, as internally we are using tech as well (I think I got that from Buster's terming?), if tantra or whatever we do, even mindfulness is, or the psychies.
That is a cool Fool. Is he an NFT?
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop] 1
#28399071 - 07/17/23 05:57 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Lithop said:
edit: and you can confirm the deck DID NOT shuffle itsself?
My involvement as an incidental accessory to God's plan is indicative of the cards shuffling themselves.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
#28399084 - 07/17/23 06:13 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Lithop said:
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Buster_Brown said: I viewed the magic as an effort to sew dissention in the ranks of the opposition in an attempt to divide and conquer.
Do you think it's this approach that is what the first card in the spread refers to?
I read of the present based on past achievements leading to solidarity to which I may have contributed by whatever contribution my incidental involvement adds.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
#28399123 - 07/17/23 06:48 PM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Lithop said:
Outside of the notion of spirit or character running through these things (I personally believe theres an aspect of that to it), the depth of self reflection brought on by proper study inevitably has you project apsects of your own personality onto the way the reading is delivered. Way more apparant when you haven't taken the adequete time to do the reading properly, half assed sort of one.
Indeed as evidenced by the ambiguity presented by 'solidarity' versus 'dissention' one may perceive a certain lack of continuity.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28399365 - 07/18/23 03:10 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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syncro said: I still want to toss some on general thread topics maybe. I'm waiting to see if anyone recognizes a connection in one of the I Ching readings I did. It's a secret. 
 Go for it man, I'll check 'em out  I've read and re-read, wracked my brain and rewrote your post with lemon juice before popping it in the oven, National Treasure style, to try and see this easter egg you mention but I'm completely drawing a blank. Maybe someone else will see it easily...

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syncro said: Perhaps it is that I prefer divination, not that it is my practice, but not through external tech, as internally we are using tech as well (I think I got that from Buster's terming?), if tantra or whatever we do, even mindfulness is, or the psychies.
Good point on the distinction, or lack of, between using internal and external tech/methods! However, my view is that although there may be many commonalities between practises like you mention there- and divination- I see divination as a stand alone subject or practise in that I'm only ever looking for outside interpretation. As opposed to some parts of practise where I know the buck 100% stops with me and my seperateness, as far as any useable interpretation & integration goes.
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syncro said: That is a cool Fool. Is he an NFT?
No idea man, I bet there are full 8 bit decks so maybe he's from there 
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Buster_Brown said: My involvement as an incidental accessory to God's plan is indicative of the cards shuffling themselves.
 Haha that's good shit- well you've got me on that one!

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Buster_Brown said: I read of the present based on past achievements leading to solidarity to which I may have contributed by whatever contribution my incidental involvement adds.
Solidarity with...? Your present position is less to do with direct effect and more to do with the mere fact you were/are involved with a situation?
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Buster_Brown said: Indeed as evidenced by the ambiguity presented by 'solidarity' versus 'dissention' one may perceive a certain lack of continuity.
Are you saying you see a lack of continuity or some sort of disconnect between what you percieve as the outcome of your actions and what others see, do to your personality 'colouring' your interpretation?
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
#28399405 - 07/18/23 05:24 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Solidarity behind the constant of change embraces the expression of dissention in association with growth as an affect of involvement that, yes, can lead to agravated responses defending personal interpretations of 'due course'.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Lithop]
#28399411 - 07/18/23 05:42 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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"I've read and re-read, wracked my brain and rewrote your post with lemon juice before popping it in the oven, National Treasure style, to try and see this easter egg you mention but I'm completely drawing a blank. Maybe someone else will see it easily...
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Ok, I will spill the secret beans, and their life was changed, from. that. day. forward.
The Oracle addresses the Wanderer in response to
"Why does the mystical world hide itself?"
(get it yet??)
And the Wonderer is none other than the author of that thread!
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28399414 - 07/18/23 05:47 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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"Good point on the distinction, or lack of, between using internal and external tech/methods! However, my view is that although there may be many commonalities between practises like you mention there- and divination- I see divination as a stand alone subject or practise in that I'm only ever looking for outside interpretation. As opposed to some parts of practise where I know the buck 100% stops with me and my seperateness, as far as any useable interpretation & integration goes."
Excellent answer.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28399449 - 07/18/23 07:09 AM (6 months, 8 days ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: Solidarity behind the constant of change embraces the expression of dissention in association with growth as an affect of involvement that, yes, can lead to agravated responses defending personal interpretations of 'due course'.
More paradoxical facets in unity extending, there always being growth in the changeless.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: syncro]
#28399484 - 07/18/23 08:18 AM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
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Ah, a reference to the changeless effort of the ego perhaps that results in progressive miracles of interpretation.
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Re: I have aTarot deck with a Mind of it's own [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28399562 - 07/18/23 10:01 AM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
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Yes, self-evident is the mind's ongoing vibrancy, consistent with existence. They always see impermanence, changeless. Never has been reported not waking up. Do the dead dance? You choose.
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