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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: Powdered_Toastman]
    #28397041 - 07/15/23 11:54 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

The Titanic is a pretty famous submarine. Hopefully they come up soon. They probably need some air.


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: christopera] * 1
    #28397044 - 07/15/23 11:56 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

They are probably busy having a beauty paegent right now


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: Powdered_Toastman] * 1
    #28397045 - 07/15/23 11:57 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I bet the dude wins.


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: christopera] * 1
    #28397050 - 07/15/23 11:59 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)





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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: Powdered_Toastman]
    #28397060 - 07/16/23 12:08 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

My rug was on the Titanic.


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: christopera] * 2
    #28397061 - 07/16/23 12:11 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

Really ties the ocean floor together


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 4
    #28397091 - 07/16/23 01:45 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:

The ol' "Why do you care?" mantra

You support the radical gender extremists who are normalizing kids flipping back and forth from male to female?



That's not the same thing, though.

The issue of gender dysphoria in minors is a problem - it's not very widespread, but it's very real indeed. My fiancee works in psychiatry and many of her patients struggle with this. These people are mostly in their late teens, they're at a point in their life where their body starts to confront them with things that cause massive dissonance with them and they're really suffering because of it. Transition is not necessarily the solution in all cases, and indeed, many don't even go there - they sooner tend to switch labels without the physical interventions, or see if the non-binary inclination fits.

And of course there's the ethical problem of interventions that are irreversible, while the psychological damage if they're not undertaken is equally irreversible. With a severely autistic 15-year old with massive gender dysphoria, you just can't be sure if transitioning might actually help, or if it's just going to pile more problems on the kid.

Btw, the people I'm talking about by and large have NOT grown up under the influence of "gender extremists" (what the fuck). They come from the typical social background that fits the place where my fiancee works - los of working class families, diverse ethnic backgrounds, with the 'diversity' bit mostly constituted by Arabic origins. Not exactly the kind of environment where they're exposed to "gender extremists" - yeah, well, maybe people who (sometimes violently) suppress any tendency to be 'different'! On top of all the mess, they more often than not have to deal with a lack of support, let alone understanding, from the people who should be there for them.

So that's the problem with your argument. Partly, it's a ridiculous generalization about supporting some form of extremism which in reality barely exists and certainly doesn't have the traction you make it out to have. And partly, it's just a very evident and total lack of insight and understanding of the actual problems involved. Just inane banter made to look like it makes sense. Empty words. Educate yourself, then come back. There's lots we could have an intelligent and nuanced conversation on, but it requires a modicum of activation of the grey matter between those pretty ears of yours.

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The reason this "pride" is constantly pushed is that it reinforces the belief that lgbtqia2s+ people are being oppressed with hatred and violence.



Because they are. What rock are you living under? These people are being beaten up, spit on, threatened, yelled at etc. on a daily basis! In most societies, they can't even show themselves for what they are - heck, in most countries ont his planet it's still physically dangerous to the point of life-threatening to be gay or bisexual, let alone out oneself as trans.

See, that's the problem I highlighted in my earlier post. A total lack of awareness, insight and respect. It's fine to be critical - it's despicable to be willfully ignorant. Get your head out of your ass already.


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: koraks]
    #28397196 - 07/16/23 05:18 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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Get your head out of your ass already.




At the individual level, some people literally identify via their anus.

On the level of a voting block, they are de-populationist.


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #28397480 - 07/16/23 10:22 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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And why is it anyone’s business? Idk maybe because we used to try to look out for people making harmful decisions for themselves but it seems like that’s out the window as well

I will seriously give it a lot of thought if anyone can explain in clear terms why doctors wouldn’t remove health limbs and called it a mental disorder but the same thinking isn’t applied to the trans issue




I’m not surprised there wasn’t one decent answer to this. The best given response was more or less “give them counseling and if that doesn’t work get to chopping”

The comments about not having empathy are ridiculous and I find it utterly stupid that when someone doesn’t go along with shit that doesn’t make sense they get labeled phobic or worse. Just because you don’t understand or agree with what someone thinks doesn’t mean you don’t care about their suffering but I know that asking questions and trying to make sense of things is looked at as hateful so whatever


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #28397484 - 07/16/23 10:25 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

The problem is exactly the opposite of what you said, although you agree but you don't know it yet. If you are actually caring, you are too busy to give a shit about extraneous personalities and their preferences. In fact, that is caring, because they are just living their life and until they impose some detriment to society it's none of your fucking business.


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: christopera] * 3
    #28397514 - 07/16/23 10:44 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Sorry dude but that kind of vague drivel isn’t saying anything and only an asshole tries to tell someone what they will believe in the future. This kind of conversation is pointless because none of you on the trans supportive side are actually capable of one independent thought and you’re spewing bullshit you’ve heard some other assholes say

Thanks for proving my point about not being able to answer my question though
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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #28397522 - 07/16/23 10:56 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

I just can't understand how people get so passionate and worked up about something they have no understanding of.

You know who probably understands what it feels like to be trans better than you do? Trans people. So if you really want to understand the issue and not just shake your fist and yell at the sky, why not take some time to listen to what they're saying?


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #28397525 - 07/16/23 10:58 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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Sorry dude but that kind of vague drivel isn’t saying anything and only an asshole tries to tell someone what they will believe in the future. This kind of conversation is pointless because none of you on the trans supportive side are actually capable of one independent thought and you’re spewing bullshit you’ve heard some other assholes say

Thanks for proving my point about not being able to answer my question though
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I think it's just above your pay grade.


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: christopera]
    #28397526 - 07/16/23 10:59 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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they are just living their life



ok :whathesaid:

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until they impose some detriment to society




When is that?


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28397531 - 07/16/23 11:01 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

I was supposed to play magic the gathering today, instead am reading this argument. This is the greatest catastrophe of the miss netherlands event.


from afar, I wouldnt have been able to tell she may have been a he. Pretty attractive. But there are a few things if our date was going well that I would eventualy notice. But miss netherlands wouldnt date a guy like me.


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: ManianFH]
    #28397538 - 07/16/23 11:04 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

I understand, if you're talking about sport sex.

Except, you're not supposed to have that understanding. It's literally a woman.


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: durian_2008]
    #28397539 - 07/16/23 11:06 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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christopera said:
they are just living their life



ok :whathesaid:

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christopera said:
until they impose some detriment to society




When is that?




Why don't you answer your own question. How is the existence of trans people effecting the daily lives of real people en masse? What are your personal experiences with trans people? And I mean actual people and not bullshit scare stories from social media written about third parties - I mean effecting you. And everyone who is super fucking triggered by the fact that these people exist.

How do they impede on your existence exactly? Verse actual issues like the massive growing wealth inequality, by extension the economy and housing market, and weather disasters as a result of climate change?


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: durian_2008]
    #28397542 - 07/16/23 11:09 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

I think it should be up to dutch families to decide :sadyes:


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #28397544 - 07/16/23 11:10 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Is it wrong if I believe people who disfugure themselves are suffering from mental illness and that's its immoral and unethical to operate on the mentally ill, specifically children?


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Re: Miss Netherlands [Re: stzacrack]
    #28397545 - 07/16/23 11:11 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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Is it wrong if I believe people who disfugure themselves are suffering from mental illness and that's its immoral and unethical to operate on the mentally ill, specifically children?






No it's not wrong. Why do you feel like your opinion is the best opinion of all opinions that must be imposed on others when literal medical doctors are in the greater conversation?


Like congrats you disagree - once upon a time we thought people with epilepsy were possessed by demons, let the doctors figure it the fuck out.


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