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Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide
#28397017 - 07/15/23 11:24 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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I'm experimenting with totally replacing water with 3% hydrogen peroxide. Controlled research showed that cubensis mycelia can withstand up to 10% peroxide, but bacteria and spores are killed by 3-6 percent.
I inoculated with liquid culture, not spores!
I also replaced alcohol sterilization with 13% peroxide. It can touch your skin, but for God's sake, don't let it get under your fingernails!
 Oops, it's 12%. I thought it was 13. Oh well.
I considered presenting this technique at the end of the grow, but I realized that if there's anybody else experimenting with serious peroxide tech, that I'd want to know about it now because all the information I present here is the information I've been looking for.
I'm in the process of discovering it myself because nobody wants to believe peroxide is as magic as the mushrooms. But it's a caustic, dangerous oxidizer / sanitizer that works exactly like bleach in the same identical way. It will burn your skin and blind you instantly, but mycelia love it. It makes them feel tingly and sexy.
Then in 5 minutes, it doesn't just become inert; it decays into pure water and fresh oxygen. It also releases the heat that held the water and oxygen together. That's magic.
It's like a little cylinder you throw on the sidewalk that turns into a tiger that kills your attackers, then immediately turns into a kitty cat that jumps in your arms and gives you free drugs.
Instead of a plastic case, I lined a wire dish drainer with cheesecloth, and then lined it again with coco coil. It's completely open to the air except on top.
I spray all 5 sides (except the top), daily with 13%, especially the bottom which is always wet. After 11 days, I haven't had any odors or bacterial growth or mold. The coco holds water and prevents drying, but being open to the air lets it drain and water doesn't collect at the bottom and turn into anaerobic icky.
ONE EXCEPTION When I didn't externally disinfect it after 3 days, either the cheeseloth or the cocoa liner began to smell like fermenting beer. But I sprayed it with 13 per cent, and the smell went away immediately and never came back. The strong peroxide killed the fermenting yeast and sterilized the infected coco.
Watering with hydrogen peroxide causes my little fungus pet to get very hot. That's NOT the peroxide reacting with the fertilizer for several reasons. One is because it only happens under the soil with growing activity. It does get warm initially for a few minutes because of the initial reaction with the fertilizer. But it only gets very hot because it's growing *furiously.* The stuff breathes oxygen like us, So it gets hot for the same reason you do when you run.
MY NEW TEK STRATEGY is to provide intense, unlimited water, food, and oxygen to... remind it to metabolize and grow at its maximum rate. The substrate is toasted wheat, toasted rice, toasted oats, small whole wheat shell pasta to provide air spaces; and cow manure and blood meal for high nitrogen. I also sprayed olive oil on it because these things actually require a little bit of oil (lipids) to build their cell walls.
My previous batch got so hot that it died. I overclocked it, just like my computer. That supposedly happens at 104 degrees Fahrenheit. A couple of hours after watering, when I stuck my (gloved) finger deep in the substrate, it felt like brownies that just came out of the oven. I was driving the things too fast.
Even a wet surface provides insufficient cooling. So now I punch holes from the top to the bottom every few days with a 13%-sterilized swizzle stick to provide maximum air and heat flow. After that, I spray 3%peroxide into the holes to provide oxygen and facilitate heat transfer.
I keep the tray covered with cheesecloth and I spray the top of it with 13% every day to keep it humid underneath and to make bacteria in the air stick to the cheesecloth and not get in. That keeps the air underneath it cool because there's continually evaporation from the top of the cheesecloth. Even so, if you press your hand against the wet cheesecloth, you can feel the heat underneath even when it's not touching the substrate.
I checked the substrate every and couple of hours and spray 3% to keep it moist. That's mushrooms, it's necessary for transferring the tremendous heat. My second attempt at this was contaminated, but it died from overheating. It got so hot that pushing your finger in it felt like hot brownies right from the oven.
PEROXIDE: Hydrogen peroxide is just water with an extra oxygen atom stuck onto it. it rapidly decays into pure water and pure oxygen. The oxygen atom is like a little hand grenade. If it touches bacteria surface, it explodes the bacteria. It also kills spores. If the mycelia breathes the oxygen and uses it to build its body, the oxygen is used for burning to create energy, just like your muscles. That's why it gets hot.
peroxide doesn't smell bad like alcohol, and it doesn't kill mushrooms like alcohol. instead it Breaks down into pure water and pure oxygen in minutes.
Contrary to popular belief, hydrogen peroxide does provide significant oxygen. Oxygen is half (8/17) of the hydrogen peroxide molecule. When it's released into the air, it expands to a large volume deep in your substrate.
After Just 12 days, I have a tray of warm, solid white rubber. I don't know what I have to do to make it fruit exactly, but I'm gonna let it sit there and assume it knows how to reproduce.
Does anybody know what will happen? Will it just sit there forever?
If that happens, I'll eat the mycelia. Fuck it. They have just as much psilocybin in them as the fruit, and the tray is like one big solid white mushroom.
[ LATER ]
If it makes you feel better, my first three attempts over the last several months died of contamination. OK? Now the non-autistic people can celebrate! Normals are like that. I certainly heard it from the people I live with.
I ignore it and celebrate something else, alone.
See, Gen 4 HASN'T died. It's colonizing from the outside-in for some reason, and a whole lot faster than the only other batch I made that worked -- the first one which used standard tek. I have a tray of solid white rubber, with about a quarter of the tray volume still soft substrate in the center.
The center is still real hot, because it's living fast. REAL fast. And after fruiting, it's going to die young. My theory is that their growth is limited by one of these factors: food, oxygen, water, and heat. I want see what happens if you remove those limits—especially oxygen.
I'm thinking that because they never evolved the ability to regulate their growth rate, their metabolism is always switched full throttle. Animals regulate their body temperature and plants don't burn oxygen.. Basically, I'm hoping that maybe they're like cancer: they'll grow as fast as you can feed them.
But even if I can't invent a new way to cut growth time of magic mushrooms in half, I'll still get to hang around with God for a few hours so he can explain what the fuck is going on. Because I sure as hell don't know.

From the point of view of the fungus, the inside surface of the container is the water-soaked, spongy, shredded coconut shell layer exposed to the air on all sides except the top. Those surfaces I spray with 13%. That kills about 1/4 inch of healthy fungus, but it kills everything else in between that and the air. I consider that crumbly quarter-inch layer all around as the price of sterility inside. It acts like a white rubber gasket to seal in all that yummy psychedelic goodness.

After 12 days, it's all hard white rubber. How long has it usually take? I don't know because last time, it was actually somebody else's and he just grew it in my room.
The soft rubber warm part that isn't completely colonized is in the center. It isn't visible because the whole thing is covered with coffee ground (the black stuff). It's not particularly for the mushrooms. Next to my bed which I never leave, I have a coffee machine and I'm too lazy to sit up and dump the grounds in the trash. You can also see cigarette butts in here. I figure, who knows, maybe I'll get mushrooms that get you high on nicotine too.
I also experimented with punching a hole in one of these big fungus things, and pouring 3% in it foamed and ran out the top, and the next day, it was hot and real big. That's the round circle in the middle of the right edge of the tray. It since grew up through the coffee grounds, and a punch sample revealed that it's juicier than the others. I'm gonna try it on another one of those alien life forms.
=====[ But there is absolutely no infiltration by bacteria or other fungi!
Is it colonizing from the outside in because of oxygen availability? I don't know!
And nobody else here wants to know, either.
Instead of rude, stoned old bums and cynical online trolls, I would prefer to hang around natural philosophers from the 1800s who were FASCINATED by this non-plant, non-animal that breathes air and has body heat.
You won't find them at THIS muhh fucchh though.
See, I really didn't care that my first experiments were contaminated, because I dissected the stuff and saw how the contam had followed air currents through the Uncle Ben's bag. How could even even see the bacterial colony shadows of objects in the teeny air current. And under the magnifying glass. I saw how the bacteria had infiltrated the rice grains.
I watched how nature cleans up all the dead stuff and turns it into life again. That was more interesting than if the rice had been clean.
I sure wish I was someplace with real people, less interested in agriculture production than exploring the lives of these fascinating little creatures. SCIENCE! tells us that there are four kinds of life:
1. Bacteria 2. Plants 3. Animals 4. Magic Mushrooms
This reflects an evolution of consciousness!
5. God
But outside campus, nothing is exciting, and everybody is either (more or less) stupid or (more or less) evil.
Edited by Jess_Fukket (07/15/23 11:39 PM)
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Re: Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Jess_Fukket] 2
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Re: Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Jess_Fukket] 1
#28397055 - 07/16/23 12:02 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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Before this gets totally fucking torn apart, happy birthday. As much as I can appreciate experimenting, I don't know where to begin with this. And I recognize I may be indulging someone trolling - BUT - have you ever grown mushrooms successfully before? How about let's start simple, why did you choose your grain and pasta for this project as opposed to, let's say (not fucking toasted) oats?
Anyway, it doesn't really seem you're asking for help or suggestions. I suppose your post is more of a suggestion for the rest of us: to use 12% 13% hydrogen peroxide instead of water. I'm using restraint here. Please get an understanding of the process and have a little bit of success before going out on limbs. Your experiments might be better directed by your previous experience.
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: crabs]
#28397083 - 07/16/23 01:17 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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> Before this gets totally fucking torn apart,
I hope it does. I wanna know what I'm doing wrong. So far, it's working fine.
I'm autistic, so I just ignore the emotional envelope that normal people encode their information in. In fact, I usually can't even detect the emotional envelope, and go direct to the information. Unfortunately, the normals tell lies and expect you to know that they're actually saying the opposite, so it often doesn't work.
At the engineering place, when somebody pointed out a mistake I made, I thanked them for helping me purify myself and gave them a quarter. Computer scientist Donald Knuth gave people $100 if they found mistakes in his book.
Somebody took me aside and told me it wasn't cool, so I began giving nickels instead.
I didn't have to give many. I won two awards there before I made one more social mistake and walked out.
> happy birthday.
The only person to wish me Happy Birthday today was a kind stranger on the Internet. I can't remember the last time somebody told me Happy Birthday.
Thank you. I'm 43; officially an old lady.
> I recognize I may be indulging someone trolling
I get that sometimes about my job and whether I lived in a cave in the woods for three years, but I published pictures of my coco coi(?) lined wire basket with 'shrooms growing, and a gallon of 12%. Literally, the only thing I could lie about is whether I actually used grain substrate, sprayed 12% on the outside of something to sterilize it, and sprayed 3% on the substrate. If that's funny, it must be a normal people joke. I don't understand those, either.
> have you ever grown mushrooms successfully before?
Kinda. I've certainly grown them unsuccessfully! Somebody else grew his mushrooms in my room and I helped. But I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it until I took some. God told me something important that should have been obvious, and he told me to come back again because he had more to tell me. That's why I'm doing this.
>why did you choose your grain and pasta for this project
First of all, like MREs, I wanted it to be 100% edible, so no soil or pearlite. Coco coi. On my earlier three (unsuccessful) attempts, I noticed how fast the stuff grows in Uncle Ben's bags. I observed that it grew explosively in unlimited food, and stopped when it ran out of water. That's why I chose grain.
On previous tries, my substrate turned into black anaerobic sludge with an odor that pissed off everybody on the house. So this time, I combined various grains with water and left them for a day to see what they turned into. I wanted to ensure air in the substrate.
Toasted wheat (Wheatina), and toasted brown rice looked OK. Then I ordered raw coarse-ground corn. Since the particles are so small, I wanted it uncooked so they would stay solid and not just melt. It worked. I can feel the hard little grains in the substrate.
I sterilized the grain ingredients in 12% overnight to soften them (But not the ground corn).
> as opposed to, let's say (not fucking toasted) oats?
While I was waiting for the liquid culture to arrive, I also experimented with rolled oats in a little cup. It dissolved into a sticky icky very quickly. It glued the wheat and rice together and it dried into concrete. I decided to use just a little oats to keep the grain from sliding around and hopefully allow the mycelia to colonize it easier.
This is the unused oats:

I didn't talk about the 34% because I Was afraid you'd think I'm crazy. I'll just say, it goes beyond sterilization. The stuff's dangerous. If you Spray it on cotton cheesecloth, it gets too hot to touch and smokes. But it's not smoke; it's steam. One drop burned a hole in my tray cover cloth.
If you're curious, a single drop of 50% peroxide will burn a hole in a leather belt, and 90% peroxide is the rocket fuel they use in those jet backpacks that allow people to fly around for 90 seconds. Squirt it through platinum, and it explodes.
my earlier endeavors failed due to septic anaerobic bacteria collecting at the bottom of the wet substrate. so I added whole wheat shell pasta to provide air spaces. I also eliminated oatmeal to add air flow.
Because my strategy is to provide unlimited oxygen, water, pure food; I had to provide unlimited nutrients too. so I added cow manure and dried cow blood (Blood meal) because these mushrooms require high nitrogen. I'm kind of mad that I didn't pay for higher nitrogen chicken manure instead, but we already had cow manure.
and I sprayed it with oil to add lipids.
> Anyway, it doesn't really seem you're asking for help
No, I'm actually all about helping other people. this is just a report on my progress in case anybody is curious.
> I suppose your post is more of a suggestion for the rest of us: to use 12% 13% hydrogen peroxide instead of water.
THREE percent! 12% Is only for sterilizing. 34% is dangerous and has no use in this operation.
And I don't care if you use it or not. I'm just reporting my results.
> I'm using restraint here.
I can tell people do that with me because I'm very autistic, and I don't understand social context. I can't perceive it. I can't tell when people are angry at me. It's like being a blind person. I just say things that are reasonable and people get mad for no reason that they can explain.
I particularly remember the high school guidance counselor talking to me slowly and trying to smile while his teeth were clenched. He was very angry, but was trying not to show it because he knew I wouldn't understand.
Autism isn't mental retardation; its emotional retardation.
> Please get an understanding of the process and have a little bit of success before going out on limbs.
What limb? Was I, like supposed to keep this a secret until it's completed? I don't understand why. Unless it's an official rule, it's one of those mysterious ones that are obvious to everybody else. And when you break them, people WANT TO think you're doing it on purpose.
> Your experiments might be better directed by your previous experience.
It is. This is my 4th try. I learned from my previous failed grows and this one appears to be succeeding.
I'm just SOO excited about this! But it's absolutely routine that not only is no one else excited, but they're inexplicably angry at me for being excited about it. I walked off my nuclear engineering job for that exact reason.
...I wonder what you would have said if you didn't feel constrained to restrain yourself.
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I've got a Spidey sense for when I'm about to be thrown out of a forum and not know exactly what I said wrong. It usually involves unintentionally insulting somebody, being deliberately misunderstood by people who want to dislike me because I remind them of something they fear in themselves, or talking about sex. This time it'll be something different, but it will happen. I can tell By the way people talk to me.
Fortunately, it's happened so often that I just shrug and go somewhere else.
Edited by Jess_Fukket (07/16/23 03:17 AM)
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Re: Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Jess_Fukket] 1
#28397100 - 07/16/23 02:03 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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No. No to it all. Quit doing dumb shit and follow a tek. There’s nothing worthwhile in experimenting with dip shittery. This is one very involved troll and I salute you on that.
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Re: Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Screwup]
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See, People get angry instead of just saying it won't work, and they never ever tell me why it won't work.
> This is one very involved troll
How am I a troll for trying to grow mushrooms, posting pictures of it, telling only the truth, and reporting that it's working successfully on a forum about mushroom cultivation?
THAT really doesn't matter. What matters is that you can't answer that question.
Because the true answer is that I remind you of something in yourself that you fear—something you thought you buried long ago.
No, I don't have any idea what it is either. It's probably different for each person.
Remember when I said I know I'm going to be banned for no reason? This is an example of how I know.
Edited by Jess_Fukket (07/16/23 03:32 AM)
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Re: Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: george castanza]
#28397138 - 07/16/23 03:35 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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No? How come?
That's not a rhetorical question. I want to know why you think this won't work. I want it to work, and if you think I'm doing something wrong, tell me because I don't want to it to fail a 4th time.
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Re: Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Jess_Fukket] 2
#28397148 - 07/16/23 03:48 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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Why would you ever hamper your grow by using (slightly) toxic water instead of just normal water? Using normal water works great, and you can't ever convince me or anyone here mushrooms do better with 3% H2O2 instead of normal water.
Also 12% doesn't sterilize, it sanitizes. Big big big big difference
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Re: Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Jess_Fukket]
#28397164 - 07/16/23 04:16 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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Lol you know how much dumb shit it takes to get you banned? You could do this for months.
I’ll be the first to say you clearly don’t have a simple single beginning of comprehension of this when you have a vast amount of knowledge on this forum you choose to do something so wrong and away from standards it’s laughable (read trolling). It’s like having to explain 1+1 to someone who won’t put in the effort to try to learn themselves with all the answers.
Moreover this has been all that you posted and a quick look at your posts, not all of them, shows a general response of “no why the fuck are you wasting your time?”
All this to say I’m going to just start ignoring troll threads like these so good luck! Maybe you can try bleach next?
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Re: Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Screwup]
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All sorts of spores are resistant to hydrogen peroxide Bacillus being one of the many. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4398677/
Also hydrogen peroxide decomposes after 24hrs from oxidation and you're just left with water in your uncolonized work anyhow
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Jess_Fukket]
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Quote:
Jess_Fukket said: Uncle Ben's bags.
Well, there it is.
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Jess_Fukket] 1
#28397201 - 07/16/23 05:39 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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Yea I'm not buying your spiel.
You won't get banned for doing dumb shit, no one really gets banned for that. The question is why are you doing dumb shit. You claim you're emotionally retarded only but that doesn't really make sense with what you're doing. You have thousands(maybe tens of thousands) of examples of how to grow mushrooms beautifully on this website and you're choosing to "do" this ridiculous stuff that you're doing. You say you've failed 3 times doing the same nonsensical stuff but this time you added even more dumb shit to it to make it better? If your other attempts were all complete massive failures(which they were, by your telling of it) then why would this work? You're not doing anything correctly here at all. I could teach my 5 year old nephew more information about growing any kind of mushroom in 1 hour than you have apparently learned in multiple attempts and access to unlimited knowledge on the subject.
You're not reinventing the wheel, you're taking a wheel and obliterating it in to tiny crumbs and then pissing on the crumbs and then wondering why your wagon doesn't move.
You are also posting different versions of this same "crap" every day it seems instead of replying intelligently to a single poster that's tried to ask you why you don't try to do it a normal way.
After this attempt fails what are you planning to do? Will you ever try the simple straightforward methods that actually work and that people happily share? Nope, you'll just write some more crap that makes no sense in connection to any type of mushroom growing information available. This is why you're called a troll, absolutely nothing to do with your lack of social congruence with others.
Edit : "You can also see cigarette butts in here. I figure, who knows, maybe I'll get mushrooms that get you high on nicotine too."
Nevermind on everything I said. Why bother going to this extent to troll? Do you see a therapist?
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: iceNock] 1
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This is foggyfroggy the female version.
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Screwup]
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Instead of writing these fiction novels why not just read established TEKs
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: SirPsycho] 2
#28397211 - 07/16/23 06:05 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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I think someone above me mentioned it but…chatgpt maybe?
Prompt entered “Role play as an absolute brain dead person who is trying to recreate a new standard in producing mushrooms but doesn’t have a simple understanding or want to learn the basics. Furthermore add plausible deniability through character faults or flaws that could garnish sympathy. Ensure this is minimum 6 paragraphs.”
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Screwup] 1
#28397238 - 07/16/23 06:39 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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Maybe next time you can try 100% hydrogen peroxide ^.^
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Trickymush] 2
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I got to say while I don't have time to read this I was really interested I'm the experiment until I got to the tiger kitty bit.
This is hot garbage and I hope no one takes this seriously.
Op:There is no need for Hydrogen Peroxide in cultivation at all at any point. There I helped you fix your "tek" ot (trash experiment kit)
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Sockadin] 2
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Sockadin said: I got to say while I don't have time to read this I was really interested I'm the experiment until I got to the tiger kitty bit.
This is hot garbage and I hope no one takes this seriously.
Op:There is no need for Hydrogen Peroxide in cultivation at all at any point. There I helped you fix your "tek" ot (trash experiment kit)
My favourite part was "hydrogen peroxide is just water with an extra oxygen atom". Just like ozone is just the oxygen we breathe with an extra oxygen atom. Chemistry is simple AF... or maybe that's just OP that's simple AF
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Re: Announcing OXY TEC! I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: Jess_Fukket] 1
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Jess_Fukket said: I'm experimenting with totally replacing water with 3% hydrogen peroxide. Controlled research showed that cubensis mycelia can withstand up to 10% peroxide, but bacteria and spores are killed by 3-6 percent.
I inoculated with liquid culture, not spores!
I also replaced alcohol sterilization with 13% peroxide. It can touch your skin, but for God's sake, don't let it get under your fingernails!
 Oops, it's 12%. I thought it was 13. Oh well.
I considered presenting this technique at the end of the grow, but I realized that if there's anybody else experimenting with serious peroxide tech, that I'd want to know about it now because all the information I present here is the information I've been looking for.
I'm in the process of discovering it myself because nobody wants to believe peroxide is as magic as the mushrooms. But it's a caustic, dangerous oxidizer / sanitizer that works exactly like bleach in the same identical way. It will burn your skin and blind you instantly, but mycelia love it. It makes them feel tingly and sexy.
Then in 5 minutes, it doesn't just become inert; it decays into pure water and fresh oxygen. It also releases the heat that held the water and oxygen together. That's magic.
It's like a little cylinder you throw on the sidewalk that turns into a tiger that kills your attackers, then immediately turns into a kitty cat that jumps in your arms and gives you free drugs.
Instead of a plastic case, I lined a wire dish drainer with cheesecloth, and then lined it again with coco coil. It's completely open to the air except on top.
I spray all 5 sides (except the top), daily with 13%, especially the bottom which is always wet. After 11 days, I haven't had any odors or bacterial growth or mold. The coco holds water and prevents drying, but being open to the air lets it drain and water doesn't collect at the bottom and turn into anaerobic icky.
ONE EXCEPTION When I didn't externally disinfect it after 3 days, either the cheeseloth or the cocoa liner began to smell like fermenting beer. But I sprayed it with 13 per cent, and the smell went away immediately and never came back. The strong peroxide killed the fermenting yeast and sterilized the infected coco.
Watering with hydrogen peroxide causes my little fungus pet to get very hot. That's NOT the peroxide reacting with the fertilizer for several reasons. One is because it only happens under the soil with growing activity. It does get warm initially for a few minutes because of the initial reaction with the fertilizer. But it only gets very hot because it's growing *furiously.* The stuff breathes oxygen like us, So it gets hot for the same reason you do when you run.
MY NEW TEK STRATEGY is to provide intense, unlimited water, food, and oxygen to... remind it to metabolize and grow at its maximum rate. The substrate is toasted wheat, toasted rice, toasted oats, small whole wheat shell pasta to provide air spaces; and cow manure and blood meal for high nitrogen. I also sprayed olive oil on it because these things actually require a little bit of oil (lipids) to build their cell walls.
My previous batch got so hot that it died. I overclocked it, just like my computer. That supposedly happens at 104 degrees Fahrenheit. A couple of hours after watering, when I stuck my (gloved) finger deep in the substrate, it felt like brownies that just came out of the oven. I was driving the things too fast.
Even a wet surface provides insufficient cooling. So now I punch holes from the top to the bottom every few days with a 13%-sterilized swizzle stick to provide maximum air and heat flow. After that, I spray 3%peroxide into the holes to provide oxygen and facilitate heat transfer.
I keep the tray covered with cheesecloth and I spray the top of it with 13% every day to keep it humid underneath and to make bacteria in the air stick to the cheesecloth and not get in. That keeps the air underneath it cool because there's continually evaporation from the top of the cheesecloth. Even so, if you press your hand against the wet cheesecloth, you can feel the heat underneath even when it's not touching the substrate.
I checked the substrate every and couple of hours and spray 3% to keep it moist. That's mushrooms, it's necessary for transferring the tremendous heat. My second attempt at this was contaminated, but it died from overheating. It got so hot that pushing your finger in it felt like hot brownies right from the oven.
PEROXIDE: Hydrogen peroxide is just water with an extra oxygen atom stuck onto it. it rapidly decays into pure water and pure oxygen. The oxygen atom is like a little hand grenade. If it touches bacteria surface, it explodes the bacteria. It also kills spores. If the mycelia breathes the oxygen and uses it to build its body, the oxygen is used for burning to create energy, just like your muscles. That's why it gets hot.
peroxide doesn't smell bad like alcohol, and it doesn't kill mushrooms like alcohol. instead it Breaks down into pure water and pure oxygen in minutes.
Contrary to popular belief, hydrogen peroxide does provide significant oxygen. Oxygen is half (8/17) of the hydrogen peroxide molecule. When it's released into the air, it expands to a large volume deep in your substrate.
After Just 12 days, I have a tray of warm, solid white rubber. I don't know what I have to do to make it fruit exactly, but I'm gonna let it sit there and assume it knows how to reproduce.
Does anybody know what will happen? Will it just sit there forever?
If that happens, I'll eat the mycelia. Fuck it. They have just as much psilocybin in them as the fruit, and the tray is like one big solid white mushroom.
[ LATER ]
If it makes you feel better, my first three attempts over the last several months died of contamination. OK? Now the non-autistic people can celebrate! Normals are like that. I certainly heard it from the people I live with.
I ignore it and celebrate something else, alone.
See, Gen 4 HASN'T died. It's colonizing from the outside-in for some reason, and a whole lot faster than the only other batch I made that worked -- the first one which used standard tek. I have a tray of solid white rubber, with about a quarter of the tray volume still soft substrate in the center.
The center is still real hot, because it's living fast. REAL fast. And after fruiting, it's going to die young. My theory is that their growth is limited by one of these factors: food, oxygen, water, and heat. I want see what happens if you remove those limits—especially oxygen.
I'm thinking that because they never evolved the ability to regulate their growth rate, their metabolism is always switched full throttle. Animals regulate their body temperature and plants don't burn oxygen.. Basically, I'm hoping that maybe they're like cancer: they'll grow as fast as you can feed them.
But even if I can't invent a new way to cut growth time of magic mushrooms in half, I'll still get to hang around with God for a few hours so he can explain what the fuck is going on. Because I sure as hell don't know.

From the point of view of the fungus, the inside surface of the container is the water-soaked, spongy, shredded coconut shell layer exposed to the air on all sides except the top. Those surfaces I spray with 13%. That kills about 1/4 inch of healthy fungus, but it kills everything else in between that and the air. I consider that crumbly quarter-inch layer all around as the price of sterility inside. It acts like a white rubber gasket to seal in all that yummy psychedelic goodness.

After 12 days, it's all hard white rubber. How long has it usually take? I don't know because last time, it was actually somebody else's and he just grew it in my room.
The soft rubber warm part that isn't completely colonized is in the center. It isn't visible because the whole thing is covered with coffee ground (the black stuff). It's not particularly for the mushrooms. Next to my bed which I never leave, I have a coffee machine and I'm too lazy to sit up and dump the grounds in the trash. You can also see cigarette butts in here. I figure, who knows, maybe I'll get mushrooms that get you high on nicotine too.
I also experimented with punching a hole in one of these big fungus things, and pouring 3% in it foamed and ran out the top, and the next day, it was hot and real big. That's the round circle in the middle of the right edge of the tray. It since grew up through the coffee grounds, and a punch sample revealed that it's juicier than the others. I'm gonna try it on another one of those alien life forms.
=====[ But there is absolutely no infiltration by bacteria or other fungi!
Is it colonizing from the outside in because of oxygen availability? I don't know!
And nobody else here wants to know, either.
Instead of rude, stoned old bums and cynical online trolls, I would prefer to hang around natural philosophers from the 1800s who were FASCINATED by this non-plant, non-animal that breathes air and has body heat.
You won't find them at THIS muhh fucchh though.
See, I really didn't care that my first experiments were contaminated, because I dissected the stuff and saw how the contam had followed air currents through the Uncle Ben's bag. How could even even see the bacterial colony shadows of objects in the teeny air current. And under the magnifying glass. I saw how the bacteria had infiltrated the rice grains.
I watched how nature cleans up all the dead stuff and turns it into life again. That was more interesting than if the rice had been clean.
I sure wish I was someplace with real people, less interested in agriculture production than exploring the lives of these fascinating little creatures. SCIENCE! tells us that there are four kinds of life:
1. Bacteria 2. Plants 3. Animals 4. Magic Mushrooms
This reflects an evolution of consciousness!
5. God
But outside campus, nothing is exciting, and everybody is either (more or less) stupid or (more or less) evil.
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Re: Announcing OXY TEK — I replaced all water in the grow with 3% hydrogen peroxide [Re: SirPsycho] 2
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This is not a troll. I've known some hackers very similar to this. They would absolutely hack into a junction box and live off the side of the highway if they had to (as she did per her 'live in a cave for 3 years' link). Hack a nearby wireless AP for internet. Not saying she is "a hacker" (but she probably is), but she 100% has the hacker mindset. They are not all like that. I've also met some that were very wealthy and just liked to play around. I see someone here with a highly active, intelligent mind, that unfortunately has a lot of other "stuff" going on up there, and it is sad to me, even if it isn't sad to her and she doesn't get why I would be. I don't think it's intentional or a ploy. Ok so, now that my poor attempt at playing amatuer psychologist is complete, my advice to Jess_Fukket is the same as everybody else's. Put aside your need to tinker with everything until you've mastered the basics here on this site. You really wanna learn about the life cycle of these babies? Read about and master agar teks on this site. You will love it, and it will give you lots of insight into how mycelium behaves. The main benefit of doing that will be your new found ability to grow super clean mycelium in an agar dish, sectoring away from contaminants transfer by transfer before you even put it in grain. Once you have that, learn how to properly steriliize a recommended grain (Pennington's Classic wild bird seed is cheap at walmart and works great) and add your clean mycelium to it. Once you have clean spawn that is colonized, you can stop worrying about having to babysit your grow and worrying about contamination the whole time. Just add it to plain old coco coir that has been hydrated to field capacity and leave it alone until the mushrooms come. Simple. If you haven't seen pins popping up after about 12-14 days with most varieties that's usually not a good sign, by the way. Some do take longer, though. Good luck.
Edited by Hysteria (07/16/23 10:59 AM)
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