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Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China * 2
    #28396967 - 07/15/23 10:08 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China
https://www.cnn.com/travel/yunnan-cuisine-beijing-restaurant-mushrooms-yellen-intl-hnk/index.html


It’s been several days since US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen left Beijing, and much has been said about her efforts to repair the US-China relationship.

But politics aside, her Beijing visit resulted in one unexpected success – she managed to dramatically boost business for a Yunnan restaurant chain while bringing jian shou qing, an unusual yet highly sought-after mushroom prized for its unique properties, into the national limelight.

Shortly after the treasury secretary landed in Beijing last week, her delegation was spotted dining at Yi Zuo Yi Wang (In and Out). Contrary to the eatery’s English name, there are no burgers here. This restaurant chain specializes in Yunnan food, a popular regional cuisine from part of southwestern China that borders Vietnam, Laos and Myanmar.

It all started when a food blogger posted about Yellen’s party’s meal on Weibo, a popular Chinese micro-blogging site.

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“When I walked by their table on my way to the washroom, I slowed down to take a glance at the dishes they ordered,” said Weibo user Pan Pan Mao in the post.

Among the dishes the food blogger claimed to have spotted were grilled fish with herbs, stir-fried pickled Yunnan wild greens with potato slices and cold rice noodles.

“Very Yunnan, very homey,” Pan Pan Mao commented.

The restaurant soon confirmed the visit on its Weibo account.

“US Treasury Secretary Yellen was here,” said the post, in Chinese.

“Speculating from the timestamp on the news, it was true that she came (to the restaurant) right after landing in China. Our staff said she loved mushrooms very much. She ordered four portions of jian shou qing (a Yunnan wild mushroom species). It was an extremely magical day.”

The hashtag “US Treasury Secretary Yellen’s first meal in Beijing is Yunannese” became a trending topic on social media, with related posts racking up 6 million views.

Many netizens expressed curiosity, wondering who picked the restaurant. Others noted they were impressed by Yellen’s chopsticks skills and her delegation’s down-to-earth choice for her first post-flight meal.

But the most heated discussions were focused on the multiple orders of the mushroom dish – jian shou qing.

An aide to the treasury secretary confirmed to CNN that Yellen did eat at the restaurant and greatly enjoyed the experience, including the mushroom dish.

This person added that Yellen enjoys going out to different restaurants, including popular local ones like Yi Zuo Yi Wang, whenever she travels with her team.

She also enjoys meeting different people in the countries she visits over a meal, this person continued, pointing to her upcoming lunch with Vietnamese women economists during her current trip to Vietnam and India.

Jian shou qing, which translates literally as “see hand blue,” gets its Chinese name from one of its defining characteristics – the inner surface of the mushroom bruises and turns blue when you apply pressure on it, including during the slicing process.

It’s an umbrella term for a family of mushrooms, but in Yunnan, jian shou qing mostly refers to what scientists call “Lanmaoa asiatica.”

“It’s a medium- to large-sized mushroom, reddish color on the outside and yellow underneath and looks very similar to some of the porcini mushrooms,” says Dr. Peter Mortimer, a professor at Kunming Institute of Botany.

“So similar in fact that it is easily confused with local porcini species, often with interesting, or scary, consequences.”

The South African national first arrived in Yunnan in 2010 on a climbing holiday and was offered a position at the institute. He has lived in Yunnan and been researching the region’s mushrooms ever since.

“Lanmaoa mushrooms are considered poisonous as they can be hallucinogenic,” says Mortimer, who spends many of his days in the Yunnan forest foraging for fungi.

“However, scientists have not, as of yet, identified the compounds responsible for causing the hallucinations. It remains a bit of a mystery, and most evidence is anecdotal. I have a friend who mistakenly ate them and hallucinated for three days.”
Wild mushroom hot pot food
Mushroom hot pot is a common sight at restaurants in Yunnan Province.


Last year, the Botanical Society of Yunnan published an updated index of Yunnan’s poisonous mushrooms, with photos identifying the species, to warn the public. Among the fungi included was jian shou qing, leading to discussions about whether the beloved mushrooms should still be allowed to be sold online and served in restaurants. In the end, popularity trumped such concerns and they’re still widely available.

Despite its reputation, jian shou qing is considered a common delicacy among Yunnan locals and is a popular dish at Yunnan restaurants throughout China, where the mushrooms are properly prepared to avoid any negative effects.

Xinhua, China’s state news agency, even produced a news segment on how to eat jian shou qing safely on July 10 following Yellen’s visit, interviewing Chinese shoppers at a Yunnan wild mushroom market.

One interviewee claimed that she had been negatively affected once: “You thought you were walking straight but you just fell sideways.”

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“I still eat it. I can’t stop myself,” another mushroom fan told Xinhua. “We often ask one person at the table to try one first, and if he is OK, we will follow and start eating.”

The general belief is that you have to fully cook the fungi to rid them of hallucinogenic properties.

CNN reached out to the branch of Yi Zuo Yi Wang that Yellen’s party reportedly ate at. Though restaurant staff wouldn’t comment on the delegation’s visit, they did confirm that all dishes made with jian shou qing are properly prepared and fully cooked.

The aftereffect for the Yunnan restaurant chain has been prominent. Following Yellen’s visit, wild mushroom dishes have been selling out in the restaurant’s many branches in China’s major cities, the chain said in a later Weibo post.


The fact that Yellen and her team visited a Yunnan restaurant shouldn’t come as a surprise.

While it may not be as popular as Cantonese or Sichuanese food internationally, Yunnan cuisine – also referred to as Dian Cai – has long been a beloved dining option all over China and has soared in popularity among hip young urban Chinese in recent years.

Ng Mung Lam, sous chef of Shenzhen-based restaurant Ensue, tells CNN Travel that the top-notch quality of Yunnan ingredients has always been recognized but the sale of these products was once only limited to the Yunnan audience.

“However, with the rise of fine-dining restaurants in China, more chefs are discovering the value of these exceptional ingredients, leading to increased attention and appreciation [to Yunnan food],” says Ng.

Ranked no.31 on the latest Asia’s 50 Best Restaurants list, the restaurant strives to combine Chinese ingredients with international cooking techniques. Ng says it has incorporated many Yunnan ingredients in its current seasonal menu.


“In fact, for our summer menu, we use Yunnan ingredients in 60% of our dishes. Some of the highlights include our scampi appetizer with peanut shoots, uni custard with fresh wild chanterelle and dry mushrooms, beef tartare with sunchoke, scallop dumpling with summer truffle, and our duck dish with a jus infused with fresh peppercorns.

“We also use fresh wild milk cap mushrooms to complement our wagyu beef, and fresh jasmine flowers to add a seasonal touch to our melon dessert.”


Amidst the plethora of fresh produce on offer in the region, mushrooms are undeniably one of Yunnan’s most loved ingredients, especially in summer.

“Yunnan is absolutely mushroom mad,” says scientist Mortimer. “There are towns where all the streets are named after mushrooms, buildings designed to look like mushrooms, and all the restaurants are serving mushroom dishes. The Yunnan people are extremely knowledgeable regarding mushrooms, from the kids through to the old folks.”

Mushroom festivals and sumptuous mushroom feasts are often held around Yunnan from June to October. In Chuxiong prefecture in central Yunnan province, for instance, foragers bring their most prized fungi collections and compete for the “King of Mushroom” title.

Restaurants and local homes serve wild mushroom hotpots during the season, too.

“Yunnan is home to about 800 species of mushrooms that people eat,” adds Mortimer.

“That is a crazy number of edible species for one place. Consider the fact that there are only about 2,200 species of mushrooms considered edible globally.”

But there’s so much more to Yunnan food than fungi.

Yunnan Province is home to many ethnic minority groups, resulting in a colorful array of spices and fresh flavors from different regions.
Yunnan is famous for fresh wild mushrooms and comforting bowls of vermicelli.
Yunnan's most famous dish, crossing-the-bridge rice noodles.
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Perhaps the most popular dish to come out of the province is Yunnan Guoqiaomixian (translated as “crossing-the-bridge rice noodles”). Why the name? Legend has it that cross-the-bridge rice noodles were invented many years ago by a loving wife. Her husband studied on an island, so the wife would travel across a bridge to deliver him his daily lunches.

As the food would be cold after the journey, the disheartened wife decided to bring a pot of scalding hot chicken broth, along with the rice noodles and raw ingredients.

The chicken oil on the surface of the soup kept the liquid warm. When the husband was ready to eat, she’d cook all the ingredients by pouring them into the hot soup.

Today, many noodle shops sell their own style of cross-the-bridge rice noodles, offering a choice of different ingredients and soup bases.

Other popular Yunnan foods include Xuanwei dry-cured ham, comforting rice pancakes and rubing – goat cheese. The province also has an enviable selection of wild edible flowers, especially in spring, and is also the home of pu’er, a popular variety of fermented tea known for its complex and earthy flavor.

“Yunnan has a huge variety of interesting dishes stemming from the cultural diversity in the province,” says Mortimer.

“Mushroom hotpots are always a great option when you have a big group of people, and I really enjoy the selection of unusual vegetables, such as fern fronds.”

So say what you like about whether Yellen’s Beijing visit had any impact on relations between the world’s two biggest economies. When it comes to Chinese cuisine, it’s clear the treasury secretary’s team made all the right moves.

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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: durian_2008] * 2
    #28397006 - 07/15/23 11:06 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

We have had ping-pong diplomacy, so why not mushroom diplomacy?

Had the restaurant not prepared the mushrooms in such a way to remove the hallucinogenic compounds, this would have been a much more interesting story. :cool:

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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: veggie]
    #28401698 - 07/20/23 11:49 AM (9 months, 24 days ago)

Lanmaoa asiatica...
So, what we know about this species? Besides hallucinations there might be other symptoms as well..
There is some other red boletes here in Europe - usually considered poisonous..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubroboletus_satanas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suillellus_luridus



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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: Speeker] * 1
    #28401814 - 07/20/23 02:15 PM (9 months, 24 days ago)

I hope there are studies done to determine what these non-psilocybin compounds are in the Lanmaoa asiatica 'jian shou qing' mushroom, allegedly causing hallucinations. There is always room for another psychedelic substance to explore. :yesnod:

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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: durian_2008] * 3
    #28405690 - 07/23/23 09:29 PM (9 months, 21 days ago)

There have been many scientific studies done with this species, in both English and Chinese with a good number behind paywalls that Sci-hub doesn't access. All sorts of studies including chemical analytical studies (none of which compounds I could identify as responsible) but no studies investigating the compound causing hallucinations.
From the literature we've known about psychoactive boletes including those of China for many years (I started a thread here on it last year and never got back to it), so the only reason why we don't yet know the compound responsible is because of a lack of scientific interest in the scientific community. That "Lanmaoa asiatica" only now appears here on the shroomery for the very first time with the above OP says it all. Congrats Durian.
One would most likely need a good analytical lab and experimentation on mice or rats to isolate the correct compound, so we likely won't know for many years.

That said, one of the more interesting studies "Analysis of epidemiology and clinical characteristics of Lanmaoa asiatica poisoning" was undertaken very recently to explore the epidemiology and clinical characteristics of acute "Lanmaoa asiatica poisoning'.
A total of 398 patients with acute Lanmaoa asiatica poisoning from January 2020 to December 2021.
hallucinations(90.70%)
delirium(35.18%)
dizziness(30.65%)
mania(9.05%)
The blood routine, liver function, renal function, myocardial enzyme, coagulation function and other indexes of patients are not significantly abnormal, and no patient died. After poisoning, there is no obvious damage to the function of important organs, and the overall prognosis is good.

Lanmaoa asiatica mushrooms are available online and are shipped internationally (price going up each year) with only the fresh or frozen form most likely active, most commonly sold under the name "red onion fungus" (try chinese characters).
Because the sites are mostly chinese I don't know which may sell in smaller retail quantities.
Alternatively one may possibly locate some in a local chinatown.
Though the symptoms are strange I do look forward to the first trip report by a westerner (it's different to psilocybin).

Edited by mycot (07/23/23 09:52 PM)

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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: mycot]
    #28406103 - 07/24/23 09:01 AM (9 months, 21 days ago)

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Jian shou qing, which translates literally as “see hand blue,” gets its Chinese name from one of its defining characteristics – the inner surface of the mushroom bruises and turns blue when you apply pressure on it, including during the slicing process.




Though not an analysis, some people would implicitly associate color change with the presence of psilocybin.

imblo, intuitively speaking, some of the hemi-parasites have chemical profiles vaguely resembling every specie in the immediate area, with which they are probably intertwined.

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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28406253 - 07/24/23 10:15 AM (9 months, 21 days ago)

If I can find willing foreigners, if my agar work is up-to-par, or if I can obtain enough prints, I will share free spores via the Marketplace.

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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28406278 - 07/24/23 10:33 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

YANG Li-Mei.Nuclear phases of edible ectomycorrhizal fungus Lanmaoa asiatica at different developmental stages under pure culture conditions. MYCOSYSTEMA[J], 2020, 39(2): 335-342 doi:10.13346/j.mycosystema.190394

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Abstract: Edible ectomycorrhizal fungi are symbiotic with plants, whose mycelia grow slowly, don’t twist and
form primordia, and therefore can’t complete their life cycle under pure culture condition. Few reports on the
life history of ectomycorrhizal fungi under pure culture condition are published. In this study, Lanmaoa
asiatica primordia have been induced under pure culture condition, and the number of nuclei in basidia,
basidiospores, mycelia and primordial were observed by scanning electron microscopy, transmission electron
microscopy and fluorescence microscopy. It was found that the hyphal cell of fruiting bodies was binucleate;
the basidia produced four monocaryotic basidiospores through meiosis, and the basidiospore at the long axis
end germinated and formed a budding that elongated and formed monocaryotic primary hyphae, whose
nuclei directly came from basidiospore. The primary hyphae became dicaryophytic in 5 days. The mycelial and
primordial cells were binucleate, and the mycelial surface were smooth without clamp connection.




Grew on enhanced PDA...
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菌丝、原基诱导及孢子培养:菌丝、原基
诱导所用培养基为改良 PDA 培养基;孢子萌发
所用培养基为(每升):马铃薯 200g、葡萄糖 20g、
琼脂粉 9g、KH2PO4 0.46g、MgSO4 0.5g、K2HPO4 1g、
酵母 2g、蛋白胨 2g;将孢子用蒸馏水制成悬浮
液置于 45℃下热刺激,后接种于培养基置 35℃
下暗培养。
Mycelium, primordium induction and spore culture: the medium used for mycelium and primordium induction is improved PDA medium; the medium used for spore germination is (per liter): 200g potato, 20g glucose, 9g agar powder, 0.46g KH 2 PO 4 , 0.5g MgSO 4 , 1g K 2 HPO 4 , 2g yeast, 2g peptone; Heat stimulation at 45°C, then inoculated in culture medium and cultured in dark at 35 ° C .



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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: Speeker] * 1
    #28406480 - 07/24/23 01:30 PM (9 months, 20 days ago)

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Speeker said:
Grew on enhanced PDA...




Reminds me of my Cordyceps days... every piece of information one had to find from China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, etc..
Also most the cultures... Fruiting jars really.. I think the 1st C. militaris that fruited here was from a Chinatown..

The way it is regarded as a culinary "craze" is a bit like eating pufferfish, A. muscaria or False Morels, except maybe less dangerous..


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    #28407315 - 07/25/23 12:24 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

>The general belief is that you have to fully cook the fungi to rid them of hallucinogenic properties.
With A. muscaria or False Morels one has to discard the water to make them safe. If cooking is enough with this then some others as well might be hallucinogenic if raw. Mushrooms are mostly cooked if consumed..

In this Chinese article there are four other boletus spp. mentioned that may cause "neuropsychosis" if not cooked.
http://www.ynqjnews.net/article/show-350717.html


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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: durian_2008] * 2
    #28407391 - 07/25/23 02:48 AM (9 months, 20 days ago)

It's believed by several chinese folk that there are several species that are active and since many of these have red caps and turn blue there is heaps of room for error, confusion and misinformation as to species.
Two we may be quite certain of, they are :-
Red onion fungus - Lanmaoa asiatica
White onion fungus - Butyriboletus roseoflavus
Both of these have very interesting histories.
China CDC Weekly - Mushroom Poisoning Outbreaks — China, 2019
China CDC Weekly - Mushroom Poisoning Outbreaks — China, 2020
Additional species are likely but need more confirmation.

Red and white onion, side by side.

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    #28407919 - 07/25/23 01:39 PM (9 months, 19 days ago)
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Friend of the Shroomery, 'Freshcap Tony' released his latest Mushroom Show video on his youtube channel. I posted the segment where he discusses the hallucinogenic blue staining bolete.



The entire episode is very interesting and worthy of a watch and can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5z1vXHdD5k

Also I have attached the pdf file Xiao Ren Ren : The “Little People” of Yunnan by David Arora referenced in the video.

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    #28408072 - 07/25/23 03:32 PM (9 months, 19 days ago)
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I mentioned very interesting histories and David Arora plays a very big part in that. It's a shame that just like Roger Heim decades earlier in PNG, he missed identifying the correct species of active boletes though they were available at the time.

What is less well known is that David gave the "White onion fungus" it's present genus name, likely not knowing at the time that it was an active bolete. The last photo in the paper shows a great pile of "White onion mushrooms".

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Re: Mushroom diplomacy: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen sets off culinary craze in China [Re: mycot]
    #28435013 - 08/15/23 02:01 PM (8 months, 29 days ago)

The only time I've ever seen "little men" in a hallucination was after I took an Ambien about 8 hours after taking a mixture of LSD and MDA.  About 10 minutes after taking the ambien, on the floor of my tent, tiny little people started walking around.  I kid you not, this was my exact hallucination and it kept going for almost a minute straight.  I could see what they were wearing and doing.  And there was no crazy other visuals, just this hallucination of the tiny people walking around.


So it would be super interesting to think that whatever compound, if it exists in these boletes, affects the brain similar to the way that the mixture I took did.

Definitely would love to try this, but I certainly bet it's Chinese folklore.

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    #28435166 - 08/15/23 04:13 PM (8 months, 29 days ago)

For some reason this is back in the news again ...

Yellen Says Magic Mushrooms She Ate In China Were ‘Delicious,’ But Didn’t Make Her Trip
August 15, 2023 - CNN

Janet Yellen explains her ‘magic mushroom’ experience in China



US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen ate a “magic mushroom” on a recent trip to Beijing, but the aftereffects don’t sound that special.

CNN’s Erin Burnett spoke to her Monday, asking about the “mushroom experience” that set off a social media frenzy and dramatically boosted business for a Yunnan restaurant chain, where Yellen ate the local jian shou qing.

“There was a delicious mushroom dish. I was not aware that these mushrooms had hallucinogenic properties. I learned that later,” Yellen said about the group dinner that clarified that she didn’t organize nor did she do the ordering.

She didn’t have any strange visions, the “Erin Burnett OutFront” anchor joked. Yellen then said that she had “read that if the mushrooms are cooked properly, which I’m sure they were at this very good restaurant, that they have no impact.”

“But all of us enjoyed the mushrooms, the restaurant, and none of us felt any ill effects from having eaten them,” Yellen said.

Yellen’s July trip to the Yunnan restaurant chain, called Yi Zuo Yi Wang (In and Out), garnered attention for the highly sought-after mushroom prized for its unique properties.

But contrary to the eatery’s name in English, there are no burgers here. Rather, the chain specializes in Yunnan food, a popular regional cuisine from part of southwestern China that borders Vietnam, Laos and Myanmar.

Jian shou qing, which translates literally as “see hand blue,” gets its Chinese name from one of its defining characteristics – the inner surface of the mushroom bruises and turns blue when you apply pressure on it, including during the slicing process. They are considered poisonous because they potentially can cause hallucinations.

In addition to the mushrooms, a local food blogger said that they spotted Yellen’s group eating other local fare, grilled fish with herbs, stir-fried pickled Yunnan wild greens with potato slices and cold rice noodles.

The hashtag “US Treasury Secretary Yellen’s first meal in Beijing is Yunannese” became a trending topic on social media, with related posts racking up six million views.

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