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Side pins and poor yield
    #28394695 - 07/13/23 07:34 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

So I started up 12 tubs, everything went as expected until pinning. It took a long time for anything to show up. So far I've only gotten about 6 full mushrooms and only 2 of those were on the top, the rest were sides. I assume that means I didn't keep it moist enough. The guide I read seemed to indicate I didn't need to mist all that often and I think that's where I went wrong. If anyone can confirm that I would greatly appreciate it. I'm also going to do liners on the next round.

Its been about 3 weeks since I started FAE, I have 2 more mushrooms that are about medium sized that I'll probably pick tomorrow or the next day and about a dozen pins scattered through the tubs, all sides, that I'm not sure will turn into anything. Most of the cakes are a bit shriveled and there are big gaps on the sides. Should I bother with a second flush? If so, when should I start it? Now? Should I try to let the pins grow out? If I do start one now should I remove the pins or just dunk the cakes and keep going?

Overall I feel like I got a really poor yield, 15 grams dried so far from 12 boxes. I did BensTek and everything looked perfect when I started FAE. Fully colonized in both bag and substrate, perfectly white, tub sides slightly damp. I didn't do a casing layer and didn't spray all that much for the first two weeks. Was it the lack of moisture that caused it to be so bad?

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Re: Side pins and poor yield [Re: hooshrooms]
    #28394725 - 07/13/23 07:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

We’re gonna need pictures.


Perfectly white doesn’t mean clean, and the sides of the tub don’t matter much it’s about the surface conditions.



Pretty much a total guess without seeing it, but it sounds like the surface is too dry so they only pinned on the sides where conditions are better.


Getting tubs dialed in is super important and it’s pretty difficult at first when you don’t really know what you’re looking for.  After a few runs you’ll start to get a feel for it.


Assuming your tubs are shoeboxes you should be getting at least 20g on the first flush.


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Re: Side pins and poor yield [Re: A.k.a]
    #28395045 - 07/14/23 06:42 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Here's some pics. I'm also getting some yellowing in a few tubs, you can see it in the upper right on one of the pics. Also the mycelium seems to be getting thinner, there is far more soil peeking through than there was a week ago. Two weeks ago they all looked fantastic and now seem to be getting worse by the day.

I guess my main questions are:

Should I bother with a second flush and if so when to start it?

Should I wait until all pins are either dead or grown or start the second flush sooner?

Should i remove all the pins when starting the second flush?

Is the low yield and deteriorating cakes primarily caused by poor watering?

You mention 20g from first flush, is that per tub? Looks like I will be lucky to hit 30g first flush across all 12 tubs.












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Re: Side pins and poor yield [Re: hooshrooms]
    #28395058 - 07/14/23 07:03 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

They need a dunk terribly.
I´m a bit confused about the tubs.
They didn´t colonize in there, did they?
Looks like substrate size of a shoebox
transfered to a bigger tub for fruiting?
Or the substrate shrunk that much?
Nonetheless the mycelium will die off soon
if you don´t give it moisture,
so pick the shrooms and dunk them.
Tell a bit more about how you mixed them up.

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Re: Side pins and poor yield [Re: Goatrider]
    #28395086 - 07/14/23 07:43 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Yes, they shrunk that much. I started in Bens bags. Substrate was mixed with the broken cakes from the bag in the tub in the pics, they were flush to the sides at the beginning. I gave them a couple weeks with the lid on, never opening, to fully colonize the substrate then cracked the lid for FAE and lightly misted every couple of days. They started shrinking about 2 weeks after that. I started misting 2-3 times a day last week and that seems to have helped a lot, that's when I started getting pins. Every step seems to have taken longer than what I expected from what I've read. The bags seemed to take longer than expected, fully colonizing substrate took longer, pins took longer, etc.

Sounds like my suspicions are right and its mostly lack of moisture that is giving me problems. After dunking should I add more substrate and make it flush with the sides again?

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Re: Side pins and poor yield [Re: hooshrooms]
    #28395410 - 07/14/23 01:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Yeah that’s bone dry. The sub looks like it’s gone a few flushes already, it should still be tight on the walls at this point.


With an average culture you should be getting at least 40g per quart of spawn by the end, but it’s also common to have good clones put out over 50g just the first flush.


I would dump a cup of water on the sides and let it soak up through the bottom, and then you need to either hydrate the coir a lot more when you start or severely restrict the air flow.


They look healthy as far as the myc the problem is everything else which luckily is much easier to fix than dirty spawn.


Do you have pictures from when you first spawned these tubs? Maybe like the first week or so?



These are easy fixes so you should be getting actual flushes pretty easily with a few changes.


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Re: Side pins and poor yield [Re: A.k.a]
    #28395936 - 07/15/23 02:10 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:

This is based on conditions,
fruits looking good.
I guess you mixed up a low ratio,
so you ended up with low moisture content.
Maybe this even wanted to become a big pinset,
so water was terribly needed.

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