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Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick
    #28393064 - 07/12/23 01:40 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

re: land ownership and acquisition.

dear enlil,

obviously land can not be owned but play along.
how does a nation acquire land (other than violence)?
are there established and respectable or even "lawful" processes for nations to acquire more land (other than violence)?

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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: rxb]
    #28393478 - 07/12/23 12:16 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

those are the only ways for a nation to acquire land legitimately?
how is the treaty process supposed to work and are there any examples of treaty without violence?
i realize these questions may be as much spiritual and/or philosophical as political but in the process of spiritual reawakening which is the return to the concept of oneness: the reverence and rememberance that all is One, survival demands abiding the rules like borders and fences and authority

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You could always acquire it from the natives who are not using it properly
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dont forget to trade them some beads.





this is a metaphor for violence and so, illegitimate


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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: Enlil]
    #28393548 - 07/12/23 01:46 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

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Enlil said:
Treaties are just agreements. Most don't involve violence.




can authority exist without violence (or threat of)?

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How does violence undercut legitimacy?




it is not on the list

•purchase
•discovery
•creation
•treaty


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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: Enlil]
    #28393564 - 07/12/23 02:03 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

i was going to post that same thing :sword:

do the rules apply or not? violence is against the rules. come on now


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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: Enlil]
    #28393671 - 07/12/23 04:41 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

yes enlil, lots of things are social constructs and we are all aware that it is just hocus pocus, thats like 4th grader stuff.
if you dismiss the subject we will never get to the second page.
we are not going to debate you on subjects that do not require opinions.
the rules exist. try parking in your neighbors living room. try casually walking through a border checkpoint.
power is the exemption; the rules exist, same rules that all nations/authorities are founded on. feel free to bring up a supportive example if you want


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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: Enlil]
    #28393711 - 07/12/23 05:12 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

not me some dutch guy
Per the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, federal statutes and treaties are equally regarded as "supreme law of the land".
The legally binding nature of treaties under the Constitution has been consistently recognized by the courts; as early as 1796, the U.S. Supreme Court, in Ware v. Hylton, applied the Supremacy Clause for the first time in ruling that a treaty superseded conflicting state law. Although the Ware decision did not address the Treaty Clause explicitly, it held that both states and private citizens were bound to comply with the treaty obligations of the federal government, which was in turn bound to the "Law of Nations" with respect to honoring treaties.
Vattel's work profoundly influenced the development of international law.
In 2015 the United States Department of Defense published its Law of War Manual. Vattel is cited after Hugo Grotius and before Francis Lieber and Hersch Lauterpacht as a subsidiary means and an authority in determining the rules of law of war.


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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: Enlil]
    #28393795 - 07/12/23 06:24 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

does the paper say that swords are heavier than pens?
answer using only hand gestures


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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: Enlil]
    #28632830 - 01/24/24 04:56 AM (3 days, 15 hours ago)

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Authority can exist without violence or threat thereof. Power requires violence or a threat of violence, however.






knowledge itself is power


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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #28632834 - 01/24/24 04:57 AM (3 days, 15 hours ago)

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Likewise resistance to power without means of countering force used to enforce it is meaningless.

Just ask the democratic resistance in Myanmar how important being able to 3d print firearms is to their survival




existence itself is resistance


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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28633910 - 01/24/24 11:41 PM (2 days, 20 hours ago)

i do not usually engage with terrorist sympathizers, but this is important and i want you to be heard.
my statement holds true and is a supplemental correction and not an absolute contraindication to enlils statement (we were misinformed because so many have lied and the truth was hidden from us). what you are saying is antithetical to the sciences. not cool. try again if you want, let me know if you get stuck or need a supportive example


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