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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#28393455 - 07/12/23 11:44 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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MadMuncher said: re: land ownership and acquisition.
dear enlil,
obviously land can not be owned but play along. how does a nation acquire land (other than violence)? are there established and respectable or even "lawful" processes for nations to acquire more land (other than violence)?
dearly,
-mm
Purchase, discovery, creation, and treaty.
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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: MadMuncher]
#28393484 - 07/12/23 12:22 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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Treaties are just agreements. Most don't involve violence.
How does violence undercut legitimacy?
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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: MadMuncher]
#28393550 - 07/12/23 01:48 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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Violence can be a part of any of those things on the list, though. It doesn't have to be, but it can be. Besides, you specifically asked for a list of ways "other than violence." Violence is still a legitimate and viable way of acquiring and holding land.
Authority can exist without violence or threat thereof. Power requires violence or a threat of violence, however.
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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: MadMuncher]
#28393565 - 07/12/23 02:05 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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What rules are you talking about? Rules are a social construct. They apply insofar as society chooses to apply them.
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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: MadMuncher]
#28393684 - 07/12/23 04:48 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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You can't just a priori determine that violence is against the rules. Nowhere on the planet is that the rule. You literally just made that up.
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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: MadMuncher]
#28393715 - 07/12/23 05:20 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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Nothing in there says violence is against the rules.
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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: Brian Jones]
#28395161 - 07/14/23 08:47 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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Authority requires only authorization from those being governed by the authority. One can have the authority to decide who eats first, but that authority is wholly dependent on consent of the governed. If, however, someone refuses to comply, that authority may be meaningless without the power to enforce it.
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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: MadMuncher]
#28634095 - 01/25/24 07:30 AM (2 days, 13 hours ago) |
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MadMuncher said:
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Authority can exist without violence or threat thereof. Power requires violence or a threat of violence, however.
knowledge itself is power
Knowledge certainly enhances power in many cases. I wouldn't agree that knowledge itself is power, though. Knowledge is simply one tool to exert power, not unlike the 50bmg SirTripAlot is so fond of. If unused, whether by pulling the trigger or giving the impression of being willing to pull the trigger, it has no inherent power at all.
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Re: Attn: Political Forum Residents; Cc: Enlil; chopstick [Re: mushboy]
#28634103 - 01/25/24 07:35 AM (2 days, 13 hours ago) |
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The most powerful have historically been very miserable people.
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