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Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom?
    #28391159 - 07/10/23 08:42 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

I get super paranoid on weed, like batshit crazy paranoid. I believe people stealing my thoughts. Sometimes people aren’t even real, if I’m with Group of people all of them can communicate with me telepathically.
Truly insane stuff that completely stops once the weed wears off.  I don’t smoke weed at all anymore. The bad effects happen 95% of the time. Although they didn’t occur at all in the early days of my weed smoking. They got worse with repeated use. Now more than a decade since I smoked weed and I’m still afraid of it.
I’m ok with other stuff mdma is fine, coke, amphetamines no problems. Not that I’m doing that staff all the time. Just once in a blue moon. Once a year, even less.
Some friends have started talking about a shroom session
Given my history with weed, am I likely to have a similar experience with shrooms?


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? [Re: PW1976] * 1
    #28391165 - 07/10/23 08:51 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Have a trip sitter and do a low dose. Shoot for a level 1-2 trip. Do tea which usually shortens the effects, just in case you don't like it, it won't last as long. You should be fine. Some people have bad reactions to weed. There are a few people I know that can't use weed at all. I get super paranoid on weed too. Shrooms I'm good with.


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: PW1976]
    #28391383 - 07/10/23 02:12 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.

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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28391390 - 07/10/23 02:19 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Have you had a mental health evaluation? That sort of paranoia sounds to be on par with paranoid schizophrenia.

I've had paranoia while smoking but nothing to that degree. Something like "oh shit everyone knows I'm high" level of stuff.

With that being said I do not have paranoia while on mushrooms, but they are a cosmically different experience. The "bad trips" can be difficult (and much more difficult than weed), just never because of any sort of paranoia.

Be careful. See a specialist if need be before diving into such powerful, mind altering substances. But at the end of the day, know one can accurately tell you if it will cause a similar (or worse) reaction in you.


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #28391510 - 07/10/23 04:36 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

Definitely was/is on par with paranoid schizophrenia. It’s sometimes really scary, I hear voices, I get dangerous thoughts. Then as soon as the weed wears off, it’s all gone and I’m the most logical, mentally and emotionally stable dude you’ll ever meet.
I think because when I was young I used to smoke weed by myself a lot so I could go on mind adventures. I’d just sit in my room and follow whatever thoughts came a long.
Then one day I thought a moth flying around a light outside my window was spying on me.
That was the beginning of the end of my weed use.


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: PW1976]
    #28391569 - 07/10/23 05:47 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

I don't know for certain one way or another what is the right call, but based upon what little information you've presented here about your situation - if it is truly as open & closed or clear cut as it seems to be to me, then personally, I wouldn't dare risk it with nearly any psychedelics, dissociatives, cannabis, not even with stimulants or depressants - for good measure.

It just sounds far too risky.  Sorry mate.  Better to play it safe and enjoy a relatively sound mind, than to risk playing with fire and losing your soundness of mind altogether or in pieces and well before your time at that. 

I'd imagine a professional might say something along similar lines as to what I've said if you were to ask them their opinion, but if the matter is really pressing on you then just go ahead and find one and ask away with full honesty.


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28392140 - 07/11/23 06:49 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Weed makes me irrationally paranoid, while psychedelics only bring out paranoia that is already there.  This is one of the reasons I find it is easier to handle psychedelics than THC.  A little paranoia is a good thing when our hobby can put us in jail and there really are people with bad intentions.  Rational paranoia is your mind trying to keep you safe.  Embrace it and use it to make smart decisions.

But irrational paranoia can get out of control.  Believing people will steal your thoughts, hearing voices, getting dangerous thoughts, all as you described.  This is getting out of control.  I don’t know if it is because of excessive weed use or if you have latent psychological issues, but I agree with the others that you should have an evaluation before you try shrooms.  They can trigger pre-existing conditions like schizophrenia. 

If your mental health checks out clean and you decide to try shrooms, then start low and work your way up in dose.  Only trip with people you trust 100%


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: Zymosis]
    #28392186 - 07/11/23 07:56 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

a friend who has had psychotic breaks explained psychosis like the stripping away of learned associations while still having the information in the brain and then just patching up any possibility of connections between events.. i mean, the moth could spy on you after all, who knows.. =D (not really though)


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: epilectric]
    #28392188 - 07/11/23 08:04 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

i can get quite paranoid on weed as well but it fades away as you described, as it wears off i become stable and rational again

mushrooms can also cause paranoia but maybe less often, not less strong though

start with a low dose around 1 gram or even lower / micro dose


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: epilectric] * 2
    #28392194 - 07/11/23 08:10 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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a friend who has had psychotic breaks explained psychosis like the stripping away of learned associations while still having the information in the brain and then just patching up any possibility of connections between events.. i mean, the moth could spy on you after all, who knows.. =D (not really though)



what slips away is short term memory effects - this is not memory, but recent mental activation which normally keeps you on task, helps define who you are, keeps focus on what you are doing, and why you walked into any particular room, etc.
the short term memory effect makes it easier to have associations of what was recently active in mind.

when you get stoned your short term memory is reduced while your resonance or sense of deeply felt and layered meaning is increased - with the net effect being that you have no clue of what is happening intensely, and that easily goes to paranoia.

Maybe you are taking too much for your mental and physical disposition; however if you can relax into not necessarily knowing where you are or what you are doing or what your name is, then you can continue to enjoy the amazing effects of weed, which is totally psychedelic in my opinion, and great for enjoying the minutae of life.

A mild dose of shrooms is not more psychedelic than weed; it could be less intense, and it might leave more short term memory intact, but still you have to practice relaxing, and allowing that for a period of time you may not know what is happening and that that is still ok even though things feel more intense.


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28392226 - 07/11/23 08:40 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

after my 3 years weed break the "paranoia" doesn't touch me as deeply as before. i just enjoy the introspection and layered intensification

however i recently had a "cali" strain of weed that reliably gave me a panic attack with deep and very realistic paranoia after 1-2 tokes, whereas regular hmgrwn feels so smooth that i occasionally vape it before work... i thought maybe it's synthetic noids but it smells ok so probably just very high thc. completely uncomfortable in comparison


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: epilectric] * 3
    #28392261 - 07/11/23 09:15 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Yeah, one cannot overcome mental reflexes by wanting, willing, or pretending.
the wild effects are groovy, but the loss of context, even if intermittent, can be totally jarring.
smoking a bit less could be divine.
a bit of short term memory effect assures you have a friend (the last vestiges of your self).

For STM loss / ego loss intensity, preparation for set and setting help immensly:
the space can be laid out with soothing sounds and imagery and physical comfort in mind, and with a very few non-confusing symbols and shapes that self explain, like :yinyang:

Words can be considered too complicated.

Oddly people seem to go the other way eg: big wordy posters like https://www.desiderata.com/desiderata.html, which even with it's innate good vibes, presents a challenge to a non-reading mentality. One can only let go and succumb, reading is on another planet.


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28392276 - 07/11/23 09:33 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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Well said. :thumbup:


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? [Re: PW1976] * 1
    #28392811 - 07/11/23 06:57 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

I’m the same way! But I love dmt and mushrooms. As long as I’m in my house safe and can feel free to roll around and drift off without someone thinking I’m out of my mind then I am fine.
I think with psychedelics you have to be in a safe place away from people who could judge you or ruin your experience by you thinking they are judging you. You need to be free to drift away and feel safe doing so.

I used to smoke everyday and it’s addictive and will make you a slob and mess with your sleep patterns. Or me at least lol.  The reason you feel paranoid is because your brain has been lacking rem sleep from smoking and your brain is going nuts because it hasn’t rested properly. I mean I’m sure it is good for some things but in general I feel the juice is not worth the squeeze for me.

I havent smoked weed in like eight years. But when I used to smoke and trip just the act of smoking made me have a bad trip. It was not syncing up with the positive healthy message of the mushrooms.

The last time I had mushrooms was at a dead and company concert and I just couldn’t stop smiling. I was very happy and definitely not paranoid. I guess a lot of factors can play into that but I would say you will be ok. It is a serotonergic agonist so it is going to make you feel good. But not in an ecstasy depletion of serotonin kind of way. In a way that it’s a natural substance that has a higher affinity for your serotonin receptors than your actual endogenous serotonin   
That’s what Terrence McKenna said anyway.
I just smoked dmt about an hour ago and the feeling of tryptamines is so great. It’s like energizing and relaxing at the same time. So great


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? [Re: dubbtronix12345] * 5
    #28395023 - 07/14/23 06:00 AM (6 months, 12 days ago)

We can all relax. A large microdose has left me feeling about as relaxed as I can recall being in a very long time. I’m about two hours in and as happy as a clam.


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? [Re: PW1976] * 1
    #28395420 - 07/14/23 01:27 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Success!

Trust in the homegrown Shrooms :mushroom2:


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28395878 - 07/14/23 10:59 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? (moved) [Re: PW1976] * 2
    #28395881 - 07/14/23 11:14 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Hi
schizophrenia can be "kicked off" by weed use.

However paranoia related to drug intoxication is not a sign of paranoid schizophrenia.
If however you were to become paranoid when you are sober, you may then want to seek medical attention for potential schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia occurs from an organic issue within the brain, and is in itself a illness. The occurrence of paranoia or any hallucinations during intoxication is not in itself a sign of schizophrenia.


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Re: Super paranoid on weed, should I shroom? [Re: PW1976] * 1
    #28396016 - 07/15/23 06:08 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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We can all relax. A large microdose has left me feeling about as relaxed as I can recall being in a very long time. I’m about two hours in and as happy as a clam.



this is the best effect
keep a log of the dose and effect, or just keep on using this dose for all your experimentation/play/therapy


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