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is a cube really a cube?
    #28391287 - 07/10/23 12:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

so something you hear constantly is "a cube is a cube", usually in response to anybody talking about differences in cultivars. generally speaking you hear the old heads and more experienced growers say this, mostly talking about potency as well as overall effect of the shrooms. And the logic is always that it's all the same species.

my question is why? Different domestic dog breeds are all considered the same species, and if a chihuahua and a pitfall can exist within the same species, why couldn't different cultivars have different effects and potencies? to be entirely I'm not a biologist or anything similar, and dogs and mushrooms are very different, so that could be an ignorant point, but either way. Different cultivars have wildly different appearances and growth times, so why couldn't the potency vary as well?

furthermore, people often say there's 100% no possibility of any difference of effect between shroom cultivars because "psilocybin is psilocybin" but wouldn't it make sense that other alkaloids could affect it? Baeocystin, norbaeocystin, norpsilocin, aeruginascin are among the most prominent secondary alkaloids, and they're in relatively high content oftentimes. it would make sense that these could temper the high to be mildly different from shroom to shroom, no? obviously no huge wild differences, but it would make sense that shrooms are more for relaxing while some are more spiritual.

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: mystictherapy] * 1
    #28391291 - 07/10/23 12:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Screwup] * 1
    #28391293 - 07/10/23 12:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

A banana is a banana.

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Yahra] * 1
    #28391294 - 07/10/23 12:18 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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A banana is a banana.



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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Screwup] * 2
    #28391295 - 07/10/23 12:19 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

An alien told me that.

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Yahra]
    #28391297 - 07/10/23 12:22 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I don't believe you

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: mystictherapy] * 2
    #28391301 - 07/10/23 12:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

:cryaboutit:

You're right. Bananas are mature morels.

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Yahra]
    #28391303 - 07/10/23 12:31 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

aha! I knew it

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: mystictherapy] * 1
    #28391304 - 07/10/23 12:33 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I concur mystictherapy.  Based on my own experiences and others as well- all cubes are not equal in effect.
There's definitely a more complicated cocktail going on that science hasn't given us all the answers to yet.  Much like how a cannabis strain's effects are based more off the terpene profile  than the THC content. 
Psilocybin is only part of the equation.

Anyone who claims a cube is just a cube needs to try more cubes.

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Mycelium Juice] * 1
    #28391308 - 07/10/23 12:40 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

thats exactly how I feel! For now ive mostly just subscribed to the Incan and Aztec way of using them, perhaps (almost definitely) the hundreds or thousands of years of their experience has figured out what science hasn't yet.

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: mystictherapy] * 3
    #28391321 - 07/10/23 12:56 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I think I see the confusion here.

A cube is a cube is 100% accurate, it's a tautology lol.

However, EVERY cube has a wide potential for variance.

Every time you grow cubes from spores, you are rolling a genetic lottery. Depending on the genetics you get, your fruits could be more or less potent, potentially have slightly different levels of secondary alkaloids, and they could express a wide range of phenotypes.

EVERY cube goes through this same lottery, and they are basically grabbing from the same set of potential genetics, because they are all the same species.

So every cube has the same potential and any differences you perceive are because of the outcome of the genetic lottery, not a result of whether you were growing GT, Mazatapec, or AA+.

Some varieties have visible differences in shape and form because we have more or less inbred them (similar to dogs) but its kind of hard to pin down if this has any affect on potential potency or secondary alkaloids.

I'm sure someone's about to chime in on how PE is stronger than other cubes because this one time they tripped balls proves it, but it's not like this has really been thoroughly tested in a scientific way. One time I tripped really hard from a small amount of PE, but then last week I got way more than I bargained for form one Mazatapec :shrug: shrooms are unpredictable.

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: mystictherapy] * 1
    #28391327 - 07/10/23 01:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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thats exactly how I feel! For now ive mostly just subscribed to the Incan and Aztec way of using them, perhaps (almost definitely) the hundreds or thousands of years of their experience has figured out what science hasn't yet.



Yeah I have a feeling people that wore loin clothes and killed each other for sky daddies and Shit actually didn’t figure out a whole lot of anything but maybe I’m just a skeptic


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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Screwup]
    #28391332 - 07/10/23 01:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

ya know you could be onto something there :laugh: I just meant in the way of how different shrooms were effectively used

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: mystictherapy]
    #28391339 - 07/10/23 01:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

It’s interesting that no one really argues that there are clear differences from other psilocybin species. Like it’s pretty clear if you branch out from cubes the trips are gonna be slightly different from the various other magic mushrooms you can trip from.

It’s within reason to suggest that the same difference in alkaloids content can be felt with some cultivars of cubes but the difference probably isn’t as pronounced as it is with other species. I also agree that there’s probably more that goes into the trip than just the alkaloids we know of right now that lead to differences in experience.

People also argue that when you factor in everything else that determines how a trip might go, such as set and setting, individual biological  difference, etc., it just becomes too hard to say if the difference from one trip to another is from differences in the mushrooms themselves or just the fact that trips can vary wildly.

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Screwup] * 3
    #28391411 - 07/10/23 02:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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mystictherapy said:
thats exactly how I feel! For now ive mostly just subscribed to the Incan and Aztec way of using them, perhaps (almost definitely) the hundreds or thousands of years of their experience has figured out what science hasn't yet.



Yeah I have a feeling people that wore loin clothes and killed each other for sky daddies and Shit actually didn’t figure out a whole lot of anything but maybe I’m just a skeptic



Bro don't judge, I too like to cut out still beating hearts under the influence of Psilocybe mexicana


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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: SirPsycho] * 1
    #28391489 - 07/10/23 04:04 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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mystictherapy said:
thats exactly how I feel! For now ive mostly just subscribed to the Incan and Aztec way of using them, perhaps (almost definitely) the hundreds or thousands of years of their experience has figured out what science hasn't yet.



Yeah I have a feeling people that wore loin clothes and killed each other for sky daddies and Shit actually didn’t figure out a whole lot of anything but maybe I’m just a skeptic



Bro don't judge, I too like to cut out still beating hearts under the influence of Psilocybe mexicana




this is what the US government thinks will happen if everybody's on shrooms :crazy2:

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: mystictherapy]
    #28391586 - 07/10/23 06:07 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Someone needs to do a double blind test on a reasonably sized sample of people to settle this. Test how many in a group of people could distinguish variety A and variety B.


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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Arctic_Fox]
    #28391650 - 07/10/23 07:07 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

im sure it would be fairly inconclusive unless it was done in a lab setting. I'm sure legality would be an issue as well

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: mystictherapy]
    #28391660 - 07/10/23 07:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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im sure it would be fairly inconclusive unless it was done in a lab setting. I'm sure legality would be an issue as well



It doesn't need to be done in a lab, it just needs to be a well designed and executed experiment.

But yes, in practice, it may be difficult to execute. Maybe not for someone with a bunch of friends they could recruit. But people who can design good experiments might not be the same people who have many friends open to using drugs. I certainly don't.


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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Screwup]
    #28391670 - 07/10/23 07:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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mystictherapy said:
thats exactly how I feel! For now ive mostly just subscribed to the Incan and Aztec way of using them, perhaps (almost definitely) the hundreds or thousands of years of their experience has figured out what science hasn't yet.



Yeah I have a feeling people that wore loin clothes and killed each other for sky daddies and Shit actually didn’t figure out a whole lot of anything but maybe I’m just a skeptic



yet they had a more advanced civilization than anyone else at the time so the loin cloths and sky daddies must not have held them back that much


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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Arctic_Fox]
    #28391671 - 07/10/23 07:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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mystictherapy said:
im sure it would be fairly inconclusive unless it was done in a lab setting. I'm sure legality would be an issue as well



It doesn't need to be done in a lab, it just needs to be a well designed and executed experiment.

But yes, in practice, it may be difficult to execute. Maybe not for someone with a bunch of friends they could recruit. But people who can design good experiments might not be the same people who have many friends open to using drugs. I certainly don't.




right right, I'm sure maybe in Seattle or Portland (?) it'd be possible, get more hands on deck; maybe some experienced scientists or doctors.
overall it'd be easiest where it's above ground

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: mystictherapy]
    #28391678 - 07/10/23 07:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

a cube is a cube yes
is there lots of variety in those cubes, of course why would there not be
a cube is a cube  because its not a pan or a gym


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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: dna24]
    #28391681 - 07/10/23 07:28 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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a cube is a cube yes
is there lots of variety in those cubes, of course why would there not be
a cube is a cube  because its not a pan or a gym



It's also not other members of its own genus


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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: dna24]
    #28391686 - 07/10/23 07:30 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

as Yahra said "a banana is a banana"

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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: Svetaketu]
    #28391691 - 07/10/23 07:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I think I see the confusion here.

A cube is a cube is 100% accurate, it's a tautology lol.

However, EVERY cube has a wide potential for variance.

Every time you grow cubes from spores, you are rolling a genetic lottery. Depending on the genetics you get, your fruits could be more or less potent, potentially have slightly different levels of secondary alkaloids, and they could express a wide range of phenotypes.

EVERY cube goes through this same lottery, and they are basically grabbing from the same set of potential genetics, because they are all the same species.

So every cube has the same potential and any differences you perceive are because of the outcome of the genetic lottery, not a result of whether you were growing GT, Mazatapec, or AA+.

Some varieties have visible differences in shape and form because we have more or less inbred them (similar to dogs) but its kind of hard to pin down if this has any affect on potential potency or secondary alkaloids.

I'm sure someone's about to chime in on how PE is stronger than other cubes because this one time they tripped balls proves it, but it's not like this has really been thoroughly tested in a scientific way. One time I tripped really hard from a small amount of PE, but then last week I got way more than I bargained for form one Mazatapec :shrug: shrooms are unpredictable.



They said it best


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Re: is a cube really a cube? [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28391704 - 07/10/23 07:39 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

right, my question was slightly less about mss and more about known cultivars that had been grown (possibly from an mss) but subsequently isolated down to a single set of genetics that was near identical/very similar to the original strain.

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