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What is it to embrace moderation? 1
#28388946 - 07/08/23 02:41 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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I think that embracing moderation in some context can increase the anticipation and novelty of some experiences, but what is it to embrace moderation?
So far I think it involves understanding and respecting your own limits, being aware of the potential benefits, and trying to cultivate a healthy long term relationship with ourselves that prioritises our overall well being over temporary gratification.
I think it can be put into words, but the act of embracing moderation is.. a tougher one to grasp.
Embracing moderation involves adopting a mindset and actively practicing behaviors that support a balanced approach to a particular aspect of our life.
It includes understanding our limits, triggers, and motivations, as well as considering the potential short term and long term consequences.
Setting boundaries and establishing personal guidelines or limits that align with our overall well being and goals is also an important aspect.
It requires self control and making conscious choices to adhere to those boundaries, resisting immediate gratification in favor of prioritising our long term well being and satisfaction.
So I think that when approached with intention and mindfulness across various aspects of our daily lives, embracing moderation has the potential to cultivate a lasting sense of contentment and satisfaction.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly] 1
#28388978 - 07/08/23 04:34 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Moderation as a concept shows wisdom (as does rationing), but as a practice it involves the efforts of planning, and living according to one's plans, it also meas having contingencies, and dealing with the unexpected in a lighthearted way.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28388979 - 07/08/23 04:38 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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The laughing Buddha agrees
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: cubedryeguy]
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cubedryeguy said: The laughing Buddha agrees

I'm not sure he does.

Within the contrasting image of a joyful, prosperous Laughing Buddha and a serene, austere ascetic monk, we are reminded that the path to personal growth and self development extends beyond immediate happiness. The challenges and sacrifices embraced by the ascetic monk highlight the deeper understanding and lasting fulfillment that can be found by contemplating the intricate dance between material abundance, embracing moderation, and inner growth.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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Precisely, that’s the point of the laughing Buddha
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there is a point? not that again.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28389018 - 07/08/23 06:22 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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I’ve reached the point of no return
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: cubedryeguy]
#28389023 - 07/08/23 06:29 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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What is your interpretation of the Laughing Buddha's purpose?
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
#28389038 - 07/08/23 06:57 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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sudly said: What is your interpretation of the Laughing Buddha's purpose?
A great reply to what RGV said.
Also I see his laughter, or smile, coming from a deep equanimity from within. That seems to fit with what you’re saying.
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sudly said: The challenges and sacrifices embraced by the ascetic monk highlight the deeper understanding and lasting fulfillment that can be found by contemplating the intricate dance between material abundance, embracing moderation, and inner growth.
You also called it a dance which made me laugh like Buddha.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: cubedryeguy] 1
#28389080 - 07/08/23 07:56 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Today I have embraced moderation.

'The pursuit of personal freedom and self expression, breaking away from societal norms and expectations. To emphasise the desire to assert individuality and defy external influences, embracing a unique path of one's own.'
That's not to say I haven't had my glutenous fill.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
#28389643 - 07/08/23 06:35 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
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Your picture? I love it
How would you define personal freedom?
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: cubedryeguy]
#28389772 - 07/08/23 08:40 PM (6 months, 17 days ago) |
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Beyond a sense of financial stability, and reliable transportation, being able to have, express, and exist with personal responsibility. Not being beholden or responsible for the emotional security of another person. Not to not be caring of any issues they may have, or that I wouldn't be there for people in what ways I can, but acknowledging that I can't and don't want to change people.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28392528 - 07/11/23 02:19 PM (6 months, 15 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: ...and dealing with the unexpected in a lighthearted way.
Love it!
And it is a way to make the rigors of discipline more manageable.
If I commit to eat an ascetic raw vegan diet for 3 weeks, I can practice moderation when I am a guest at my friend's house, and pig out on pizza.
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Or if one is determined to pay off credit cards, one can pay 90% of disposable income towards the credit cards but spend 10% on self-rewards.
Or if I am wanting to refrain from killing anyone this week... Ok, ehhh... nevermind that one.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: CapSlinger] 1
#28392549 - 07/11/23 02:29 PM (6 months, 15 days ago) |
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CapSlinger said: If you want nothing then you have everything.
Total freedom
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redgreenvines said: ...and dealing with the unexpected in a lighthearted way.
Love it!
And it is a way to make the rigors of discipline more manageable.
If I commit to eat an ascetic raw vegan diet for 3 weeks, I can practice moderation when I am a guest at my friend's house, and pig out on pizza.
I think there's insight to be taken from non-monastic ascetic values.
You could eat a lot one day, and less the next etc.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: I think there's insight to be taken from non-monastic ascetic values.
You could eat a lot one day, and less the next etc.
Challenge accepted. Tonight, we feast!
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But you're very right. There is a lot to be gained from discipline when it is implemented in a sustainable way. I am going to take some time off of work next week to do some backpacking... which for me includes an ascetic diet and an unusual amount of exercise.
For me this moderation of healthy food and a massive calorie burn is my favorite sort of moderation because it includes variety, beautiful scenery, serenity and tranquility.
Maybe moderation means scheduling this sort of thing more often?
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Agreed
Listening to music was once a daily inclusion into my routine. Now I go days without listening to music directly although occasionally my surroundings have background music. When I do listen it’s with more attention and has a greater impact on my emotions.
Heavy music was also my go to. Now it’s much lower on my rotation. With that said I just listened to this album which gave my run the needed testosterone boost to bring me to the brink of death.
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I think there are non-monastic ascetic values, but again, not necessarily an ascetic diet.
Just balance incoming calories with the general idea of recommended daily intakes.
Any exercise is a plus, but not necessary for weight loss. It may add haste though.
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There is a lot to be gained from discipline when it is implemented in a sustainable way.
I sometimes find a challenging aspect to not acting on certain urges is finding a way to be comfortable with the discomfort arising from the desire. To ride the waves of discomfort without trying to get rid of the discomfort. Also, in some cases, choosing to abstain can be easier to implement than engaging in moderation, depending on where you're at in your evolutionary development of enlightenment.
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I think being comfortable with the discomfort arising from anything is a wonderful thing
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I just found the ruminations of the guts moving thanks to their arrangements & as per the bacteria living in them doing their thing in response to those of mine regarding having eaten earlier on - to be quite quite moving & lovely itself whilst posing meditatively earlier whilst tripping - despite having half-bit my smiling lip just a bit about it all the while. Lovely little creatures without which so much of life as we know it wouldn't be possible. Appreciation! Endless appreciation! Even for the action of their knocking it off! Ha.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said: I just found the ruminations of the guts moving thanks to their arrangements & as per the bacteria living in them doing their thing in response to those of mine regarding having eaten earlier on - to be quite quite moving & lovely itself whilst posing meditatively earlier whilst tripping - despite having half-bit my smiling lip just a bit about it all the while. Lovely little creatures without which so much of life as we know it wouldn't be possible. Appreciation! Endless appreciation! Even for the action of their knocking it off! Ha.
I've always found a little smile on my lip and appreciation from this quote.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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#28396358 - 07/15/23 11:33 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: I sometimes find a challenging aspect to not acting on certain urges is finding a way to be comfortable with the discomfort arising from the desire. To ride the waves of discomfort without trying to get rid of the discomfort. Also, in some cases, choosing to abstain can be easier to implement than engaging in moderation, depending on where you're at in your evolutionary development of enlightenment.
Agreed. Some avenues of want are not necessary and there's a sense of comfort involved in the simplicity of abstaining. Could also be called freedom.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28396700 - 07/15/23 04:31 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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There is a lot to be gained from discipline when it is implemented in a sustainable way.
I sometimes find a challenging aspect to not acting on certain urges is finding a way to be comfortable with the discomfort arising from the desire. To ride the waves of discomfort without trying to get rid of the discomfort. Also, in some cases, choosing to abstain can be easier to implement than engaging in moderation, depending on where you're at in your evolutionary development of enlightenment.
I think that implementing moderation is practicing choosing to temporarily abstain.
As the saying goes, 'waste not, want not', it means that if you do not use too much of something now, you will have some left later when you need it.
I do appreciate your input and agree that a challenging aspect is finding a way to be comfortable with the discomfort that can arise from desire.
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I think that implementing moderation is practicing choosing to temporarily abstain.
Interesting - we could view moderation as a type of planned enforced abstinence. Of course, complications can occur when we choose to engage in a behavior with a strict plan and then we drink a beer or eat one scoop of ice-cream and the plan changes, and off to the races we go! Pedal to the metal! I want MORE!
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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One beer isn't the setback, moderation is sticking to a few or having a sugar free variety if the goal is to reduce empty calories etc.
I mean I think moderation is dependent on the context of the individual goal. And in the case of drinking less, 5 beers is better than 6.
I suppose abstinence might not be the best term to use, but depending on the goal it can be. One could abstain from drinking more beers after having 5 as a part of their moderation. Or have 6 one day and not have any the next etc.
I don't think moderation is a one way street. Nor do I think not achieving moderation is a bad thing or unlikely, I just think being mindful of moderation in line with personal goals can breed growth over time.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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sudly said:
I think that implementing moderation is practicing choosing to temporarily abstain.
Interesting - we could view moderation as a type of planned enforced abstinence. Of course, complications can occur when we choose to engage in a behavior with a strict plan and then we drink a beer or eat one scoop of ice-cream and the plan changes, and off to the races we go! Pedal to the metal! I want MORE!

This is exactly how I used to be. I had a very strict and planned diet and if I went off it even a little I lost my motivation and self control. And then I would severely over indulge to an almost sickening degree.
Now I’m little more forgiving with my ‘restrictions’ and have enough discipline and mindfulness not to go completely off the deep end if I do go off course.
Although from time to time…..
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: cubedryeguy]
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funny and a bit sad too
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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I couldn’t agree more, to embrace moderation is to except one’s own personal restrictions, whether that is related to health or lifestyle, everyone has to discover there own form of control.
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The counting is no joke. I feel comfort in discomfort.
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Well I just got back from a nice backpacking trip in Colorado. It was a wonderful chance to sleep on the ground, overexert myself, and experience the exhilaration of creation for just enough time to be meaningful.
While sitting at a campfire enjoying a low dose, I contemplated my goals, and was able to find ways to correlate my stress reduction goals with my spiritual goals:
Burning incense while listening to the Message translation of the Bible Walking in the woods while praying Listening to uplifting music Backpacking trips & camping Eating raw food during dedicated "junk food fasts" Surrounding myself with uplifting individuals Helping others to find peace
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And so the messiah sold his daughter for 3 silver and a donkey.
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He must have really wanted a donkey
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So to paraphrase you,... If 1Messiah = 3Silver + 1Donkey, then we can represent this as: M=3S+D. Or,... one Silver is worth Messiah minus Donkey / 3.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Either that or the Silver is a really big, undervalued chunk.
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Oh, my bad, you're right... 1DAUGHTER = 3Silver + 1Donkey, so: Daughter=3S+D. Or,... one Silver is worth Daughter minus Donkey / 3
There we go.
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Well she'd better be: Hot x Good cook > 3Silver + 1Donkey
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Yes, the bible surely has taught us a lot here.
But why not embrace better self help books that don't depict so much violence and depravity, and require such broad interpretations to find anything positive from?
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A book that ignores violence and depravity isn't fit to prepare us for the real world.
Have you read the Wisdom of Solomon / Proverbs?
I also recommend the Sermon on the Mount. Radical new ideas in its day.
Good stuff by anyone's standards. Ghandi was a big fan of both, for example.
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And yet why are so many religious people not accepting of others, when the gospels of Jesus where to do exactly so?
I think it's because the bible has a broad scope of metaphorical interpretations that are too fluid to be relied upon.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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the inexactitude of the ideas discussed combined with the inability of the flock to appreciate factuality and relative accuracy leads to garbled interpretations, sects, competition for the hearts and souls of workers and soldiers etc.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28414530 - 07/30/23 09:32 PM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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sudly said: I think it's because the bible has a broad scope of metaphorical interpretations that are too fluid to be relied upon.
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redgreenvines said: the inexactitude of the ideas discussed combined with the inability of the flock to appreciate factuality and relative accuracy
Most ancient literature is propaganda for either the kings/government, the priestly class, or a people/culture. But the Bible consistently makes all of the above look quite foolish. (Which also begs the question then, "who benefitted from it?")
So, any book that consistently tells readers that they are fools... well... given its accounts of people rejecting good instruction in nearly every story in there, the Bible is simply inconvenient. Hence the exegetical gymnastics to reinterpret.
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The bible makes the propaganda of ancient literature look foolish?
The bible tells people they're going to hell for wearing clothes and eating seafood.
The bible is extremely convenient, you can take any complicated issue and say the bible predicted it because of some broad interpretation of a generalised notion like do good things, not bad things.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: The bible makes the propaganda of ancient literature look foolish?
The bible tells people they're going to hell for wearing clothes and eating seafood.
The Bible makes its own kings/government, priestly class, and people/culture look foolish. Some would say that eternal torment would be somewhat inconvenient.
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sudly said: The bible is extremely convenient, you can take any complicated issue and say the bible predicted it because of some broad interpretation of a generalised notion like do good things, not bad things.
I find much of it to be inconvenient... especially monogamy, marriage, fornication... and the whole "thou shalt not murder" thing which is so dull. I have a few people I'd put on my list if only...
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The bible is convenient for justifying hate.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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I have not murdered people as far as I know, but I did kill more than 5 frogs and toads and a salamander and I regret those ignorant experiments with living systems. At the same time I refused to go to synagogue or piano lessons.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28417498 - 08/02/23 01:25 PM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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sudly said: The bible is convenient for justifying hate.
Sadly, hateful people manipulate to justify their actions. I'm sorry if people have done this to you.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: I have not murdered people as far as I know, but I did kill more than 5 frogs and toads and a salamander and I regret those ignorant experiments with living systems. At the same time I refused to go to synagogue or piano lessons.
What causes that sort of regret? It is as though we have a built-in barometer that tells us all something is bad-- such as hate and killing.
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I only killed with wonder, not with hate. I do not regret having avoided institutions, because they bugged my ass, and for me, (I have such a tiny ass,) it was the right thing to do.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
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redgreenvines said: I only killed with wonder, not with hate. I do not regret having avoided institutions, because they bugged my ass, and for me, (I have such a tiny ass,) it was the right thing to do.
Well better to have had your tucus bugged than buggered. Is that a word in Canada or just in the UK?
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sudly said: The bible is convenient for justifying hate.
Sadly, hateful people manipulate to justify their actions. I'm sorry if people have done this to you.
Hateful people often use the bible to justify their actions or hate, often institutionally..
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
#28418263 - 08/03/23 05:50 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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sudly said:
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sudly said: The bible is convenient for justifying hate.
Sadly, hateful people manipulate to justify their actions. I'm sorry if people have done this to you.
Hateful people often use the bible to justify their actions or hate, often institutionally..
This repetitive loop is heading to a repetitive loop.
Crooked corporate and political lawyers use courts of law to accomplish all sorts of evil. Hateful Muslims... yada yada yada.
Your assumption that hate is evil is one that you inherited from the Bible, making your own belief... well... a non-empirical neo-Abrahamic sort of tradition that you accepted by blind faith.
The Bible says, "If anyone hates his brother, he is guilty of murder." If you can find any older teachings against hate, please share them with me so that I can stand corrected.
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People use the bible to justify hate constantly. If you aren't aware of it then stop cherry picking it.
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no, really, you can cherry pick all you like, but please do not spit the pits at us. hahaha
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28419866 - 08/03/23 11:38 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Not embracing moderation is when I know eating that next bit of food or sugar is going to make me feel terrible, but I eat it anyways and suffer the consequences later
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: Tulipslave]
#28434344 - 08/14/23 09:08 PM (5 months, 11 days ago) |
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I crossed that wall in my own way and tried to leave a trail of breadcrumbs here. I myself don't even know how I stick to it sometimes. I'm 14kg down in 8 months, I don't get tempted by the lolly isle anymore. I feel like it started when I had confirmed I had something to lose in the future regarding my health, and I think it helped to stick to it when there was something else I had to lose I knew I wanted to keep.
But with food that's holding off from doing something, not the same as stepping forward and starting to do something like exercise, but important in its own way.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: Tulipslave]
#28434491 - 08/15/23 01:04 AM (5 months, 11 days ago) |
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Tulipslave said: Not embracing moderation is when I know eating that next bit of food or sugar is going to make me feel terrible, but I eat it anyways and suffer the consequences later
A buffer only makes moderation easier to maintain, it doesn't remove temptation, or access. I don't have monastic values in mind for all this. Just moderation.
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