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very campy!
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And so the messiah sold his daughter for 3 silver and a donkey.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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He must have really wanted a donkey
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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So to paraphrase you,... If 1Messiah = 3Silver + 1Donkey, then we can represent this as: M=3S+D. Or,... one Silver is worth Messiah minus Donkey / 3.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28410502 - 07/27/23 02:49 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Either that or the Silver is a really big, undervalued chunk.
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have you seen the daughter?
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28410510 - 07/27/23 02:59 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Oh, my bad, you're right... 1DAUGHTER = 3Silver + 1Donkey, so: Daughter=3S+D. Or,... one Silver is worth Daughter minus Donkey / 3
There we go.
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Oh I see, 3===D ~ ~ ~
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Well she'd better be: Hot x Good cook > 3Silver + 1Donkey
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Yes, the bible surely has taught us a lot here.
But why not embrace better self help books that don't depict so much violence and depravity, and require such broad interpretations to find anything positive from?
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
#28410532 - 07/27/23 03:15 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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A book that ignores violence and depravity isn't fit to prepare us for the real world.
Have you read the Wisdom of Solomon / Proverbs?
I also recommend the Sermon on the Mount. Radical new ideas in its day.
Good stuff by anyone's standards. Ghandi was a big fan of both, for example.
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And yet why are so many religious people not accepting of others, when the gospels of Jesus where to do exactly so?
I think it's because the bible has a broad scope of metaphorical interpretations that are too fluid to be relied upon.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
#28413522 - 07/30/23 05:24 AM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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the inexactitude of the ideas discussed combined with the inability of the flock to appreciate factuality and relative accuracy leads to garbled interpretations, sects, competition for the hearts and souls of workers and soldiers etc.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28414530 - 07/30/23 09:32 PM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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sudly said: I think it's because the bible has a broad scope of metaphorical interpretations that are too fluid to be relied upon.
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redgreenvines said: the inexactitude of the ideas discussed combined with the inability of the flock to appreciate factuality and relative accuracy
Most ancient literature is propaganda for either the kings/government, the priestly class, or a people/culture. But the Bible consistently makes all of the above look quite foolish. (Which also begs the question then, "who benefitted from it?")
So, any book that consistently tells readers that they are fools... well... given its accounts of people rejecting good instruction in nearly every story in there, the Bible is simply inconvenient. Hence the exegetical gymnastics to reinterpret.
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The bible makes the propaganda of ancient literature look foolish?
The bible tells people they're going to hell for wearing clothes and eating seafood.
The bible is extremely convenient, you can take any complicated issue and say the bible predicted it because of some broad interpretation of a generalised notion like do good things, not bad things.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
#28416810 - 08/01/23 09:49 PM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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sudly said: The bible makes the propaganda of ancient literature look foolish?
The bible tells people they're going to hell for wearing clothes and eating seafood.
The Bible makes its own kings/government, priestly class, and people/culture look foolish. Some would say that eternal torment would be somewhat inconvenient.
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sudly said: The bible is extremely convenient, you can take any complicated issue and say the bible predicted it because of some broad interpretation of a generalised notion like do good things, not bad things.
I find much of it to be inconvenient... especially monogamy, marriage, fornication... and the whole "thou shalt not murder" thing which is so dull. I have a few people I'd put on my list if only...
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The bible is convenient for justifying hate.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
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I have not murdered people as far as I know, but I did kill more than 5 frogs and toads and a salamander and I regret those ignorant experiments with living systems. At the same time I refused to go to synagogue or piano lessons.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28417498 - 08/02/23 01:25 PM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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sudly said: The bible is convenient for justifying hate.
Sadly, hateful people manipulate to justify their actions. I'm sorry if people have done this to you.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28417509 - 08/02/23 01:35 PM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I have not murdered people as far as I know, but I did kill more than 5 frogs and toads and a salamander and I regret those ignorant experiments with living systems. At the same time I refused to go to synagogue or piano lessons.
What causes that sort of regret? It is as though we have a built-in barometer that tells us all something is bad-- such as hate and killing.
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