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cubedryeguy
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Agreed
Listening to music was once a daily inclusion into my routine. Now I go days without listening to music directly although occasionally my surroundings have background music. When I do listen it’s with more attention and has a greater impact on my emotions.
Heavy music was also my go to. Now it’s much lower on my rotation. With that said I just listened to this album which gave my run the needed testosterone boost to bring me to the brink of death.
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I think there are non-monastic ascetic values, but again, not necessarily an ascetic diet.
Just balance incoming calories with the general idea of recommended daily intakes.
Any exercise is a plus, but not necessary for weight loss. It may add haste though.
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There is a lot to be gained from discipline when it is implemented in a sustainable way.
I sometimes find a challenging aspect to not acting on certain urges is finding a way to be comfortable with the discomfort arising from the desire. To ride the waves of discomfort without trying to get rid of the discomfort. Also, in some cases, choosing to abstain can be easier to implement than engaging in moderation, depending on where you're at in your evolutionary development of enlightenment.
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#28396101 - 07/15/23 08:08 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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I think being comfortable with the discomfort arising from anything is a wonderful thing
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I just found the ruminations of the guts moving thanks to their arrangements & as per the bacteria living in them doing their thing in response to those of mine regarding having eaten earlier on - to be quite quite moving & lovely itself whilst posing meditatively earlier whilst tripping - despite having half-bit my smiling lip just a bit about it all the while. Lovely little creatures without which so much of life as we know it wouldn't be possible. Appreciation! Endless appreciation! Even for the action of their knocking it off! Ha.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28396237 - 07/15/23 09:46 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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pffff
haha!
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28396244 - 07/15/23 09:49 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: I just found the ruminations of the guts moving thanks to their arrangements & as per the bacteria living in them doing their thing in response to those of mine regarding having eaten earlier on - to be quite quite moving & lovely itself whilst posing meditatively earlier whilst tripping - despite having half-bit my smiling lip just a bit about it all the while. Lovely little creatures without which so much of life as we know it wouldn't be possible. Appreciation! Endless appreciation! Even for the action of their knocking it off! Ha.
I've always found a little smile on my lip and appreciation from this quote.
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In what part of us does the soul take residence, the seat of thought or the dung filled sack below it? The ladder is too profane to be true.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
#28396252 - 07/15/23 09:56 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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#28396358 - 07/15/23 11:33 AM (6 months, 11 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: I sometimes find a challenging aspect to not acting on certain urges is finding a way to be comfortable with the discomfort arising from the desire. To ride the waves of discomfort without trying to get rid of the discomfort. Also, in some cases, choosing to abstain can be easier to implement than engaging in moderation, depending on where you're at in your evolutionary development of enlightenment.
Agreed. Some avenues of want are not necessary and there's a sense of comfort involved in the simplicity of abstaining. Could also be called freedom.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28396700 - 07/15/23 04:31 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
Quote:
Moses_Davidson said:
There is a lot to be gained from discipline when it is implemented in a sustainable way.
I sometimes find a challenging aspect to not acting on certain urges is finding a way to be comfortable with the discomfort arising from the desire. To ride the waves of discomfort without trying to get rid of the discomfort. Also, in some cases, choosing to abstain can be easier to implement than engaging in moderation, depending on where you're at in your evolutionary development of enlightenment.
I think that implementing moderation is practicing choosing to temporarily abstain.
As the saying goes, 'waste not, want not', it means that if you do not use too much of something now, you will have some left later when you need it.
I do appreciate your input and agree that a challenging aspect is finding a way to be comfortable with the discomfort that can arise from desire.
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#28396926 - 07/15/23 09:24 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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sudly said:
I think that implementing moderation is practicing choosing to temporarily abstain.
Interesting - we could view moderation as a type of planned enforced abstinence. Of course, complications can occur when we choose to engage in a behavior with a strict plan and then we drink a beer or eat one scoop of ice-cream and the plan changes, and off to the races we go! Pedal to the metal! I want MORE!
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28396993 - 07/15/23 10:30 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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One beer isn't the setback, moderation is sticking to a few or having a sugar free variety if the goal is to reduce empty calories etc.
I mean I think moderation is dependent on the context of the individual goal. And in the case of drinking less, 5 beers is better than 6.
I suppose abstinence might not be the best term to use, but depending on the goal it can be. One could abstain from drinking more beers after having 5 as a part of their moderation. Or have 6 one day and not have any the next etc.
I don't think moderation is a one way street. Nor do I think not achieving moderation is a bad thing or unlikely, I just think being mindful of moderation in line with personal goals can breed growth over time.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28396998 - 07/15/23 10:51 PM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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sudly said:
I think that implementing moderation is practicing choosing to temporarily abstain.
Interesting - we could view moderation as a type of planned enforced abstinence. Of course, complications can occur when we choose to engage in a behavior with a strict plan and then we drink a beer or eat one scoop of ice-cream and the plan changes, and off to the races we go! Pedal to the metal! I want MORE!

This is exactly how I used to be. I had a very strict and planned diet and if I went off it even a little I lost my motivation and self control. And then I would severely over indulge to an almost sickening degree.
Now I’m little more forgiving with my ‘restrictions’ and have enough discipline and mindfulness not to go completely off the deep end if I do go off course.
Although from time to time…..
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: cubedryeguy]
#28397190 - 07/16/23 05:08 AM (6 months, 10 days ago) |
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funny and a bit sad too
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: sudly]
#28400816 - 07/19/23 02:32 PM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
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I couldn’t agree more, to embrace moderation is to except one’s own personal restrictions, whether that is related to health or lifestyle, everyone has to discover there own form of control.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: Cain_west]
#28400838 - 07/19/23 02:54 PM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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you mean accept
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28401630 - 07/20/23 10:12 AM (6 months, 6 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I think being comfortable with the discomfort arising from anything is a wonderful thing
The counting is no joke. I feel comfort in discomfort.
Without jinxing.
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Re: What is it to embrace moderation? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Well I just got back from a nice backpacking trip in Colorado. It was a wonderful chance to sleep on the ground, overexert myself, and experience the exhilaration of creation for just enough time to be meaningful.
While sitting at a campfire enjoying a low dose, I contemplated my goals, and was able to find ways to correlate my stress reduction goals with my spiritual goals:
Burning incense while listening to the Message translation of the Bible Walking in the woods while praying Listening to uplifting music Backpacking trips & camping Eating raw food during dedicated "junk food fasts" Surrounding myself with uplifting individuals Helping others to find peace
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