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Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US
    #28388645 - 07/07/23 05:33 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Neo-Abrahamic faith is a libertarian religion that rejects the polity and institutions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but retains all of the same ideologies of being a "good" person, but without all of the inconvenience.


Our Credo of enlightenment:
1. Creation Myth. Science is everything that is testable in repeatable experiments, but our untestable conjectures that can never be disproven (like all religious ideology) we shall label these (our own dogmas) as "science". Thus, our creation "science" (never to be called a creation myth) is that of the multiverse. Because there are a nearly infinite number of other universes, it is not surprising that ours can exist among so many, and thus there is nothing special about ours.

2. Position on Science. We believe in science except where it has not yet been accepted by a voting majority in most universities (of the governmental voting board of the university which establishes control of what shall be taught), and likewise whatever has been accepted among a voting majority in most universities we will accept as true regardless of current scientific research. This democratic view we insist upon labeling as more "science."

3. Divinity. Since there is nothing divine, all of us are divine-- in nature, being God. This brings comfort.

4. Morality.

    A. Personal responsibility is absolved. If you offend someone, you are now responsible for their actions. (*See triggering)
    B. The strong must care for the weak, except when the weak are far enough away in another country and we just don't talk about them. By weak we pretty much just mean ourselves, but we're not really going to say that.
    C. Free speech should not be allowed if it offends us or anyone in our group, except for child molesters because they're perverts until voted into acceptance by the governmental voting boards of our universities which establish control of what shall be taught.
    D. We are sensitive and tolerant of all, except people who disagree with us, rednecks, the uneducated/unenlightened, and Nazis, because we our selves would never be capable of ignorance or atrocities.
    E. The English language as a whole is racist and bigoted, and must be changed. Gender sensitivity and Ebonics must be included to be sensitive to all groups and cultures (except the English spoken in the Southern US, Northern UK, Nigeria, Jamaica, India, and various immigrant groups who just sound dumb when they speak improper English).
    F. The 10 Suggestions
          I. Thou shalt have no God.
          II. Thou shalt take two days off per week, plus a minimum of 2 weeks vacay and paid holidays, or thou art being exploited.
          III. Honor thy Mother Earth.
          IV. Thou shalt not kill.
          V. Thou shalt try not to lie too much, unless it is for good reason.
          VI. Thou may desire and vote to have and to hold any of your neighbors objects, but thou shalt try not to get caught with thy neighbors wife.
          VII. Thou shalt not count these 10 Holy Commandments. 
         


5. Sin & Redemption. There is no redemption for the offenders. Anyone who disagrees with us shall be labeled, shamed and ridiculed in an enlightened way.

Your help is needed!

WE NEED:
a. A name
b. A system of organizational polity and governance
c. A system of collecting cash from the world
d. We misplaced a couple of the commandments. Please make suggestions.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28388747 - 07/07/23 07:46 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28388948 - 07/08/23 02:44 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

Well, I think such growth within faith has a counter..

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Yet another crucial measure of institutional religion in the U.S., the percentage of people identifying as religious, is also at a low: About 1 in 5 adults now say they have no religious affiliation, up from 1 in 50 in 1960.

In short, when it comes to three key realms of religious life—belief, behavior and belonging—all are lower than they have ever been in American history.

https://phys.org/news/2023-02-big-story-secularization-america.html




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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28388981 - 07/08/23 04:41 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

I believe in cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility
I am not sure we are ready for it on a planet wide scale yet

there are political enemies to cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility,
shall we not rejoice while tossing them into volcanoes?

Gaia wants justice

belief is such a bloody business.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28389306 - 07/08/23 12:30 PM (6 months, 18 days ago)

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Moses_Davidson said:
Our Credo of enlightenment:
1. Creation Myth. Science is everything that is testable in repeatable experiments, but our untestable conjectures that can never be disproven (like all religious ideology) we shall label these (our own dogmas) as "science". Thus, our creation "science" (never to be called a creation myth) is that of the multiverse. Because there are a nearly infinite number of other universes, it is not surprising that ours can exist among so many, and thus there is nothing special about ours.





Isn't this like, hella confusing? Shouldn't there be a distinction between science that is testable vs unfalsifiable untestable conjectures?

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4. Morality.

    A. Personal responsibility is absolved. If you offend someone, you are now responsible for their actions. (*See triggering)





Uh... What? So if I offend/trigger you and you kill someone, that makes me a murderer?

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    C. Free speech should not be allowed if it offends us or anyone in our group.





Sounds like a slippery slope. Anyone could be offended by anything.

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    D. We are sensitive and tolerant of all, except people who disagree with us, rednecks, the uneducated/unenlightened, and Nazis,





Sounds pretty intolerant. Who gets to decide what counts as "unenlightened"? All rednecks are automatically as bad as nazis? :lol:

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because we our selves would never be capable of ignorance or atrocities.





Riigghht.... Because you're all enlightened. Foolproof.

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    E. The English language as a whole is racist and bigoted, and must be changed. Gender sensitivity and Ebonics must be included to be sensitive to all groups and cultures (except the English spoken in the Southern US, Northern UK, Nigeria, Jamaica, India, and various immigrant groups who just sound dumb when they speak improper English).





Um... What? Why are you arbitrarily excluding cultures? Are you saying we should be insensitive to people who speak differently or are having trouble learning english because they sound dumb?
 

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5. Sin & Redemption. There is no redemption for the offenders. Anyone who disagrees with us shall be labeled, shamed and ridiculed in an enlightened way.





Labeling, shaming, and ridiculing doesn't sound very enlightened. Maybe have a conversation with people who disagree with you? They may in fact be on to something.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28392490 - 07/11/23 01:53 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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Svetaketu said:

Isn't this like, hella confusing? Shouldn't there be a distinction between science that is testable vs unfalsifiable untestable conjectures?

Uh... What? So if I offend/trigger you and you kill someone, that makes me a murderer?

Sounds like a slippery slope. Anyone could be offended by anything.

Sounds pretty intolerant. Who gets to decide what counts as "unenlightened"? All rednecks are automatically as bad as nazis?

Riigghht.... Because you're all enlightened. Foolproof.

Why are you arbitrarily excluding cultures? Are you saying we should be insensitive to people who speak differently or are having trouble learning english because they sound dumb?

Labeling, shaming, and ridiculing doesn't sound very enlightened.




It is satire.

https://media.tenor.com/JvSr2xkJgLkAAAAM/my-reflexes-are-too-fasr.gif


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Well, I think such growth within faith has a counter..

In short, when it comes to three key realms of religious life—belief, behavior and belonging—all are lower than they have ever been in American history.








Thank you Sudly. The three key realms are particularly interesting.

About the popular ideology that is replacing religion, do you think it is supported by belief, behavior and belonging? 

I think that just as people need resistance (to overcome) to gain muscle, mental health, and satisfaction in life... don't people become depressed in the absence of group belief, group behavior and group belonging?

Seems to me a religious vacuum is ripe for some ideology that is (as Svetaketu said) a slippery slope leading to arbitrary bigotry within self-professed innocence and enlightenment, such as cultural hubris or whatever floats along. Seems like people need these three key realms to fill an inner void. Maybe I'm wrong.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28392510 - 07/11/23 02:06 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I believe in cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility
I am not sure we are ready for it on a planet wide scale yet

there are political enemies to cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility,
shall we not rejoice while tossing them into volcanoes?

Gaia wants justice

belief is such a bloody business.




Oh I think we all believe in the glittering generality of it, the vague ideas of cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility, as long as we aren't offended or inconvenienced by either.

No blood with tidy volcanoes!


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28392543 - 07/11/23 02:26 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

:rofl: totally over my head.

I can't tell the difference anymore, been talking to too many people who genuinely believe in far stranger things than this.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28392573 - 07/11/23 02:48 PM (6 months, 15 days ago)

I wouldn't summarise depression as such a simple notion of codependency. No.

Do you think belief, behaviour and belonging only belong to religion?


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28392614 - 07/11/23 03:41 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

I think those three realms of human need have historically been met by identity politics, cultural groups, and any identity group. Race, subculture, family role, product user (Chevy man), hobby user (biker), club member (SCA, Masons), athlete type, et cetera.

I went to an huge SCA event once and was shocked at how people were radically dedicated to the whole SCA thing. They had religious fervor, but yet there was nothing intrinsically religious about it.

I think a political ideology can certainly be like a religion.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28392635 - 07/11/23 04:13 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Some people become almost tribalistic with a political ideology, some people just like good policy like universal healthcare.

I like Bernie but if he proposed policy I didn't support, I wouldn't support him. Some people vote for their feelings about a character someone plays, some actually care about policy and how it impacts their lives.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28394141 - 07/13/23 06:41 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

Speaking of Bernie... Here are some things about him I love:

1. His hair
2. From NYC which means he has a take-no-BS attitude
3. Populist with ability to excite the masses
4. Says "yuge"
5. Appeals to people who feel the political system is rigged
6. Denounces giant political donors, lobbyists et cetera
7. Denounces government corruption and he actually means it, which made him a threat to the corrupt shadow government
8. Vocal opponent of NAFTA and other trade agreements that sent American jobs to China
9. China & Lobbyists hate him-- he can't be bought
10. Grassroots supporters
11. Passionate
12. Hated by many
13. Likes the Social Security system for those who need it
14. He believes if we de-fund the fiscally wasteful swamp political policies that are pro-China and pro-lobbyist/special interest, this money should b used to benefit the people through medicaid, social security, et cetera

Ironically, these are also all things I like about Donald Trump. So I guess my point is that if Bernie and Trump agree on it, anyone who disagrees with their common denominators is naive or has a conflict of interests.

Sadly, I believe if Bernie ever won the presidency, he would receive the same tar and feathers attacks as Trump, no matter what he did or said because he will not kiss the ring of the swamp monsters, but will attack them.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28394143 - 07/13/23 06:49 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

And - swamp politicians like Biden are the antithesis of Bernie.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28394320 - 07/13/23 10:47 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

On one hand Bernie says Putin has legitimate arguments supporting his decisions, yet he supports spending billions on Ukraine - which is seen by many as a form of government corruption disguised as "saving democracy." 

Bernie claims the Monroe Doctrine has been employed to "justify undermining or overthrowing at least a dozen governments."

(Of course, Ukraine won the war a year ago, so it's really a non-issue.  I've been waiting for a Ukranian victory parade, but they must be busy adorning the hundreds of the floats with flowers and practicing nationalistic music anthems and overtures)


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28394329 - 07/13/23 11:01 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

A surfeit of cynicism there, RJ?

You don't think that Ukraine has already won against a Russian MIlitary Takeover.
that surprising conflict is certainly still ongoing.
Maybe you are just trying to mix me up.
Would that not be adding your voice to misinformation?


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28394338 - 07/13/23 11:16 AM (6 months, 13 days ago)

For over a year I've heard a loud boisterous cacophony from media and friends and family that Russia has lost the war.  This mantra is repeated ad nauseum here on The Shroomery.  Most people refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Putin's overall objectives are being met.  People scream NO! NO! NO!  He has failed!!!

yeah, whatever

As the US now prepares for more years of war in Ukraine

Yet, Ukraine won the war, right? 

Where is the victory parade?


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28394410 - 07/13/23 12:38 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

cacophony is the fastest growing religion then,
I hope I do not have to convert to save my skin.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28394478 - 07/13/23 02:19 PM (6 months, 13 days ago)

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Moses_Davidson said:
Speaking of Bernie... Here are some things about him I love:

1. His hair
2. From NYC which means he has a take-no-BS attitude
3. Populist with ability to excite the masses
4. Says "yuge"
5. Appeals to people who feel the political system is rigged
6. Denounces giant political donors, lobbyists et cetera
7. Denounces government corruption and he actually means it, which made him a threat to the corrupt shadow government
8. Vocal opponent of NAFTA and other trade agreements that sent American jobs to China
9. China & Lobbyists hate him-- he can't be bought
10. Grassroots supporters
11. Passionate
12. Hated by many
13. Likes the Social Security system for those who need it
14. He believes if we de-fund the fiscally wasteful swamp political policies that are pro-China and pro-lobbyist/special interest, this money should b used to benefit the people through medicaid, social security, et cetera

Ironically, these are also all things I like about Donald Trump. So I guess my point is that if Bernie and Trump agree on it, anyone who disagrees with their common denominators is naive or has a conflict of interests.

Sadly, I believe if Bernie ever won the presidency, he would receive the same tar and feathers attacks as Trump, no matter what he did or said because he will not kiss the ring of the swamp monsters, but will attack them.




Now I know you're unable to differentiate the policies of Trump and Bernie, because your comments are not conjunct to their individual policies.

You're clearly referring to character, not policy.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28394512 - 07/13/23 03:05 PM (6 months, 12 days ago)

I have a Ukrainian friend who says there is a lot more to the whole story than meets the eye, and that the corruption is a deep rabbit hole on both sides of that war. It confuses me thoroughly.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28394527 - 07/13/23 03:16 PM (6 months, 12 days ago)

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sudly said:
You're clearly referring to character, not policy.




They share the same policy goals to get rid of NAFTA... which may seem odd on the surface but both are populists, and NAFTA was a cabal of swampy corruption.

So far as most policies, yes of course, very different.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28394534 - 07/13/23 03:33 PM (6 months, 12 days ago)

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For over a year I've heard a loud boisterous cacophony from media and friends and family that Russia has lost the war.  This mantra is repeated ad nauseum here on The Shroomery.  Most people refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Putin's overall objectives are being met.  People scream NO! NO! NO!  He has failed!!!

yeah, whatever

As the US now prepares for more years of war in Ukraine

Yet, Ukraine won the war, right? 

Where is the victory parade?




No one has won the war, Russia's special military operation failed and delved into a war of attrition that continues to this day, and neither individual battle determines the long term. The fog of war remains. Both sides have suffered tremendous loss.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28394651 - 07/13/23 06:45 PM (6 months, 12 days ago)

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sudly said:
You're clearly referring to character, not policy.




They share the same policy goals to get rid of NAFTA... which may seem odd on the surface but both are populists, and NAFTA was a cabal of swampy corruption.

So far as most policies, yes of course, very different.




Trump is a faux-populist and if you follow his policy you should know this. He didn't stop the offshoring of jobs.

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While the Trump administration has claimed that the era of U.S. offshoring is ā€œover,ā€ the reality is that the United States has not begun to address the root causes of America’s growing trade deficits and the decline of American manufacturing.Ā Decades of trade, currency, and tax policies that incentivized offshoring, combined with an utter failure to invest adequately in infrastructure and good jobs at home, have contributed to growing inequality and an eroding middle class.

President Trump’s erratic, ego-driven, and inconsistent trade policies have not achieved any measurable progress, despite the newly combative rhetoric. On top of that, COVID-19—and the administration’s mismanagement of the crisis—has wiped out much of the last decade’s job gains in U.S. manufacturing.

Unless steps are taken now—to reform our trade policy, to curb dollar overvaluation, to eliminate tax incentives for offshoring, and to rebuild the domestic economy—there won’t be a comeback.

As this policy report makes clear:

Offshoring and the loss of manufacturing plants have continued under Trump, notwithstanding U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer’s claim that the administration’s trade policy is helping U.S. workers (Lighthizer 2020a).

https://www.epi.org/publication/reshoring-manufacturing-jobs/




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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28394715 - 07/13/23 07:50 PM (6 months, 12 days ago)

That's not a thing, and it isn't the fastest growing religion in the US, nice try though.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28395197 - 07/14/23 09:19 AM (6 months, 12 days ago)

Global religious trends are interesting to study, Christianity and Islam are on the rise in certain countries, while atheism seems to be on the rise in countries like the USA and France.

I like Pew's research.

Spirituality is fluid, go with the flow and try not to hate, nobody has all the answers.

Regarding science and religion, Lutherans and Catholics are very science savvy. 

There's a "neo-stance" on many things like hippies, religions, and spiritual practices, I think everything evolves, and since religions have evolved along with us and are one of the foundation stones of modern society, one of the things which actually made us more moral, it's no wonder they are evolving along with us.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Lucis]
    #28395240 - 07/14/23 10:23 AM (6 months, 12 days ago)

I get riled up when I hear of rough treatment applied to blasphemers, and this is becoming more popular, especially as the divisions between church and state become more and more fuzzy, along with the rest of human endeavors. fuzzy wuzzy.


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    #28395253 - 07/14/23 10:39 AM (6 months, 12 days ago)

hey redgreenvines! :laugh:
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    #28395304 - 07/14/23 11:30 AM (6 months, 12 days ago)

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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28396948 - 07/15/23 09:46 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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Russia's special military operation failed . . .




The only way one can accurately call it "failure" is to be 100% sure of the full scope of all the motivations and goals.  Do you feel totally confident you understand the thinking and strategy that has gone into this?  How about goals that have nothing to do with the battlefield? The media constantly insists they know exactly what Putin is thinking.  They sell fantasy as truth. That they tell us every day Putin has failed should trigger strong suspicion.   

Psychologically speaking, people's hatred often fuels fantasy driven stories.  We've seen this collective psychosis focused on Trump for the last 8 years.  People full of anger and hatred fantasize about Trump and create wild stories that aren't rooted in reality. The news makes up fantasies about Trump. Many books about him are pure fantasy projection.  No human on earth has been more fantasized about than Donald Trump.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28396994 - 07/15/23 10:35 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

The special military operation was supposed to be over in 7-30 days.

It fell into a war of attrition, there no longer is a special military operation in play, but a war. SMO is a play of words to minimise the catastrophic war that unfolded.

The war is still ongoing but the SMO failed spectacularly.


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    #28397170 - 07/16/23 04:34 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I think Hitler has been more fantasized about than Trump, and in many ways, it is one fearful fantasy.


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    #28399032 - 07/17/23 05:19 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

If you truly want to free your mind and that of everyone you need, grab the unlimited free copy version from the Omnicyclion in my signature, read it to see if its good medicine regardles of wghat faith or belief you have, and if you see it is good, and it is good, carpetbomb the internet with it without spamming any particular place with multiple offers.

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    #28399265 - 07/17/23 09:22 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Keep it up mah man, you'll probably turn anyone who isn't a panpsychic curious tripper away.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28410463 - 07/27/23 02:30 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

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That's not a thing, and it isn't the fastest growing religion in the US, nice try though.



Ahhh satire. : )

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We've seen this collective psychosis focused on Trump...  No human on earth has been more fantasized about than Donald Trump.




:shocked: Are we allowed to discuss this? I mean, isn't that taboo talk like racial IQ test results? OK Maybe not that taboo... but maybe it's taboo on par with discussing Biden pooping his pants or having his skids greased with billion-dollar Chinese investments into his crackhead son's noob hedge fund that no legit investors have ever considered. Yes indeed. We should instead talk about wholesome and enlightened things, like how good the media is when they all happen to report the same stories in unison, without any influence! Now that's skill!


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Ferdinando]
    #28410469 - 07/27/23 02:35 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

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hey redgreenvines! :laugh:
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Hey Ferdinando, good to see you!

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    #28410503 - 07/27/23 02:49 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

they must be working, I have more beans than I can eat.
salted fava (broad beans) seem to go well with shrooms.

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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28410507 - 07/27/23 02:57 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

Careful with the beans. We don't want to be featured on Discovery Channel during #Shart Week.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28410509 - 07/27/23 02:57 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

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That's not a thing, and it isn't the fastest growing religion in the US, nice try though.



Ahhh satire. : )

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We've seen this collective psychosis focused on Trump...  No human on earth has been more fantasized about than Donald Trump.




:shocked: Are we allowed to discuss this? I mean, isn't that taboo talk like racial IQ test results? OK Maybe not that taboo... but maybe it's taboo on par with discussing Biden pooping his pants or having his skids greased with billion-dollar Chinese investments into his crackhead son's noob hedge fund that no legit investors have ever considered. Yes indeed. We should instead talk about wholesome and enlightened things, like how good the media is when they all happen to report the same stories in unison, without any influence! Now that's skill!




Pretty sure no religion is the fasted growing in US, but within religious denominations it could be whatever.

Here's some interesting insight though,
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You’ve probably heard that Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world. Based on current trends, the Pew Research Center projects that by 2050 the number ofĀ Muslims will be nearly equalĀ to the number of Christians around the world.

To some, this implies Islam attracts multitudes every year and the number of its adherents is growing. When Christians encounter such analysis, they assume the claim is true and can become discouraged—especially when we compare this with statistics of nominal Christians abandoning their faith.

Many assume Islam is ascendant among world religions while Christianity is declining—that Islam is persuasive and convincing while Christianity is not. But these statistics can be misleading because the increase isn’t caused by people converting to Islam. Also, these stats don’t reflect the growing number of Muslims leaving their faith.

Understanding Reality

The growing number of Muslims is mainly due to higher birth rates in Muslim families, not new converts to Islam. Consider that a Muslim man can marry up to four women, which often leads to more children. Consider also that in many Muslim circles, women aren’t allowed to work outside the home, which usually results in more children than the average non-Muslim family.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/islam-fastest-growing-religion/%3famp




Why are you talking about racial IQ tests in response to someone talking about Trump?

It's not taboo to talk about policy. It is preferable you actually refer to policy though. That said, Biden's son was found to be involved in what looks like a quid pro quo art deal recently, selling his pieces for $800,000 to a single political buyer, that I think is now known.
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Exclusive: Hunter Biden's gallery sold his art to a Democratic donor 'friend' whom Joe Biden named to a prestigious commission

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/hunter-biden-joe-artwork-berges-gallery-elizabeth-hirsh-naftali-2023-7%3famp




It's true a lot of legacy media outlets report through the Overton window allowed by their sponsors.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28410603 - 07/27/23 04:14 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

my overton has migraines


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28410958 - 07/27/23 09:46 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

My wife is always thinking with her overtons.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28410964 - 07/27/23 09:51 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

I think religion can tend to be very possessive of women.


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    #28411227 - 07/28/23 04:45 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

having a dependable overton can be very supportive


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28414817 - 07/31/23 07:52 AM (5 months, 26 days ago)

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I think religion can tend to be very possessive of women.





In Islam, the Koran states that women are mentally inferior property.
The traditional status of women in Hinduism is unfortunate liabilities.
Buddha said women can achieve Nirvana, and the first women scholars in India all came from Buddhist Sangha.
Mediterranean Catholicism (Spanish et al.) is matriarchal & deifies mothers.
The rest of Christian cultures are generally patriarchal.
The Bible (Not to be confused with the institutions of organized Christianity that so often depart from it) says that heaven is genderless, sexes are equal before God, and that women are to be treated with reverence.
Native American spiritualism was often partially matriarchal.
It probably doesn't need to be stated that Wicca and Paganism are often matriarchal. 

Religion has consistently been inconsistent.

But don't despair, our new enlightened Neo-Abrahamic faith has greatly improved the gender teachings of Christ by rightly pointing out that genetic & hormonal differences are physically and socially immaterial, and that the so-called evolutionary phenomena of social dominance hierarchies present in most animals is actually a modern construct designed to oppress women.


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    #28414828 - 07/31/23 08:03 AM (5 months, 26 days ago)

Amazing that Christ was so well informed by modern science.
This puts the Neo in Neo-Abra...


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28415141 - 07/31/23 02:04 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

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Amazing that Christ was so well informed by modern science.
This puts the Neo in Neo-Abra...




Well its our job to inform God of our enlightened neo-learnings so that he can catch up.


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    #28415151 - 07/31/23 02:13 PM (5 months, 26 days ago)

Abracadabra


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28415198 - 07/31/23 03:09 PM (5 months, 25 days ago)

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I think religion can tend to be very possessive of women.




But don't despair, our new enlightened Neo-Abrahamic faith has greatly improved the gender teachings of Christ by rightly pointing out that genetic & hormonal differences are physically and socially immaterial, and that the so-called evolutionary phenomena of social dominance hierarchies present in most animals is actually a modern construct designed to oppress women.




Institutional oppression of women is perpetrated by many of religious idealogue.

The institutional act of it is concerning.  What specifically and you referring to as the aspect of neo abrahamic faith that points out the genetic and hormonal differences of gender as both socially and physically immaterial?

Something like, all souls go to heaven I presume.

I'd again ask what specifically you are referring regarding your comment of social dominance hierarchy of animals being a modern construct designed to oppress women.

Something like, a women is happy under the care of a man?


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28416800 - 08/01/23 09:40 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

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What specifically and you referring to as the aspect of neo abrahamic faith that points out the genetic and hormonal differences of gender as both socially and physically immaterial?


I'd again ask what specifically you are referring regarding your comment of social dominance hierarchy of animals being a modern construct designed to oppress women.





One example of the immaterial (irrelevant) nature of genetic and hormonal physical differences in our enlightened ideology was the push for women to be fighterjet pilots, whether or not they had the skill and ability to do so safely, even if it meant their deaths. Our ideology must come before all. Multiple female fighter jet pilots were pushed to fly and died in the Obama administration in order to support our ideology cause. Some said they weren't ready, but that was just sexist oppression that caused their deaths. Sacrifices had to be made to prove that there are no material differences between men and women.

So... we speak our reality into existence, and abra-cadabra, it is so! Facts no longer apply to us.

The social dominance hierarchy of modern society is paternalistic and oppressive. This evil construct of sexism and hate was a product of bigotry and ignorance, created by cruel men only to oppress others in the system. If only we could revert to be like the loving bonobos, we would ignore gender and all be loving colonies of humans living in community, eating leaves and perhaps grasshoppers... living, loving, and laughing together in social utopia.

You have found this reply useful and informative. Abra-cadabra! You have no further questions of the accepted logic as taught by the media in our new faith! If you did question this logic, you would be a hateful bigot, and probably a redneck. We hate rednecks,... but in an accepting and enlightened way though so its OK.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28416911 - 08/01/23 11:53 PM (5 months, 24 days ago)

Some women have the skill and ability to operate fighter jets safely, as do some men, regardless it's a dangerous job and plenty of men have died too.

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What Is The Death Rate Of Fighter Pilots?

Officers had a mean 11-year mortality rate of 12.3/100,000 and enlisted personnel died at a rate of 4.8/100,000, resulting in a 9.4:1 officer-to-enlisted ratio (Ungs, 1996).

5.2% Of Airline Pilots Die In Crashes

What percentage ofĀ airline pilotsĀ have died? A total of 437 pilots died in 8411 crashes (52%), according to the data. As a result, pilots are more likely to die early than the rest of the population. At the age of 61, pilots are typically the most likely to die. In the 50-74 age group, the average age at death for a male is 63 years old.

https://www.atlas-blue.com/how-many-fighter-pilots-die-a-year-2/




Unless you start bagging out male fighter pilots your sexism is clearly on display.

10% of bonobos are gay or bisexual.

I am more certain from your comments that some religions, and now more specifically neo-abrahamic religion as you've described it, can tend to be very possessive of women.


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    #28417067 - 08/02/23 06:06 AM (5 months, 24 days ago)

Fighter Jets are a form of male clothing which is hard to resize.
Players in the field of politics and religion manipulate memes to make them look better.


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    #28417921 - 08/02/23 09:35 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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5.2% Of Airline Pilots Die In Crashes





Yikes!

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10% of bonobos are gay or bisexual.





Does that include the Lesbian, Trans, and Queer, and + bonobos?

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I am more certain from your comments that some religions, and now more specifically neo-abrahamic religion as you've described it, can tend to be very possessive of women.




Hmmmmm well I don't think we can possess women, but we should get degrees in Women's studies. That's important! Write that down.


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    #28417930 - 08/02/23 09:40 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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Fighter Jets are a form of male clothing which is hard to resize.




I knew it! The bloody patriarchy WAS to blame. We need gender-neutral jets.


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    #28417953 - 08/02/23 09:55 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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10% of bonobos are gay or bisexual.





Does that include the Lesbian, Trans, and Queer, and + bonobos?




Would it make a difference?

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I am more certain from your comments that some religions, and now more specifically neo-abrahamic religion as you've described it, can tend to be very possessive of women.




Hmmmmm well I don't think we can possess women, but we should get degrees in Women's studies. That's important! Write that down.




You've pretty blatantly made sexist comments, and now won't even respond to being called out about your female pilot stunt?


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    #28417983 - 08/02/23 10:11 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

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You're pretty blatantly sexist.




My ex GF had a degree in women's studies. I learned a lot from her. I've also learned a lot about women from a lesbian co-worker. But the current media-induced belief system being followed by the masses of lemmings is nothing more than a modern dogma with fervent politically correct followers who are just as incapable of skeptical thought as the masses of other mindless religious wackos of the past. It's more of the same crap, in a different wrapper.


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    #28418051 - 08/02/23 11:33 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

Other than you're clearly bull example of female pilots, what's one actual example you're referring to?


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    #28418222 - 08/03/23 04:45 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

things are getting murky


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    #28418232 - 08/03/23 04:56 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

No. Only world peace and happiness!


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    #28419883 - 08/04/23 12:08 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Other than you're clearly bull example of female pilots, what's one actual example you're referring to?




Let's take morality for example. Where do you get your moral compass? You seem to be assuming that hate is evil/bad. You can educate me. If hate is bad, you are also implying that there is good.

Is this a belief system of moral absolutes? Where did these absolutes come from that you hold?


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28419885 - 08/04/23 12:10 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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things are getting murky




Clearly!


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    #28419899 - 08/04/23 12:31 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Other than you're clearly bull example of female pilots, what's one actual example you're referring to?




Let's take morality for example. Where do you get your moral compass? You seem to be assuming that hate is evil/bad. You can educate me. If hate is bad, you are also implying that there is good.

Is this a belief system of moral absolutes? Where did these absolutes come from that you hold?




Here's comes the age ol, if the bible is what stops you from doing bad things, then you are a scary person.



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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28420102 - 08/04/23 06:51 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Here's comes the age ol, if the bible is what stops you from doing bad things, then you are a scary person.





If morality came from religion, then we cannot know what to do when the gods disagree, and they disagree on so many things. So good and bad cannot come from the gods.

We can agree on that.

So a knowledge of what is good and bad comes from within?


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    #28420106 - 08/04/23 06:55 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Is the knowledge of what is good or bad an a priori feeling or a deduction of applied logic?


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    #28420116 - 08/04/23 07:03 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

many animals exhibit fundamental moral behavior.
kindness, consideration, tenderness, sharing food, etc.
no religion
no verbal logic.
religion is kind of a parasite on humanity which already has a moral compass and does not need additional wrappings and trappings.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28420193 - 08/04/23 08:10 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Lets agree that religion is not going to help us determine this matter
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many animals exhibit fundamental moral behavior.
kindness, consideration, tenderness, sharing food, etc.
no religion
no verbal logic.
religion is kind of a parasite on humanity which already has a moral compass and does not need additional wrappings and trappings.




Let's agree that religion is not going to help us in this matter because religion can't agree on whether or not we should behead or praise dissenters.

One of Sudly's memes suggests that this internal moral compass is an a priori instinctive feeling that one simply "has", while his other Wanka meme suggests that this is a function of logic.

That morality comes from instinct by feeling versus the logical deduction of fact are very different arguments when one thinks through them.

RGV, its clear that you disagree with Sudly's assertion that we "figure it out" by rational thought.

I agree that Sudly's Willie Wanka meme is not rhetorically sound, because various people and cultures use logic and come to so many different moral conclusions... then this moral logic is as inept as an appeal to the religions who can't agree on anything either.

Sudly, are you in favor of instinct, or figuring it out on this one?


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    #28420265 - 08/04/23 09:24 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

I am more in favor of the use of the term instinctive, but I do not mean it to describe an in-born ability, but rather to describe the natural intelligence of perceptive reflexes that develops as creatures live their lives acquiring associative memory.

I also believe that most logic is the perceptive reflex of learned logical relationships. When we do math it is a perceptive reflex or an intuitive reflex based upon what we have learned about numbers and the relationships between them. Nothing that we do is based upon logic as such, but when we claim it is, it is because we know we can represent our process as being in the style of logic that we have learned. This includes religious thought and logic, so there is no difference  between the method of thinking between cultures that prioritize religion and the cultures that prioritize science.

HOWEVER

In prioritizing science, over traditional thinking styles (eg. religious, dogmatic, imperialistic, colonistic, warring, scholastic, etc.) the element of observation and direct experiencing prevails, particularly with the observation of nature, natural processes, etc.

So.

the way i see it is not as simple as the culture war would like to make it, because I am at heart a scientific yogi. I use my breath to focus my mind and try to remain calm and observant, while intuition or perception - however you wish to describe the reflexes of my brain does the rest. (in fact my habits of following the breath and relaxing and observing are also perceptive reflexes.)


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28420763 - 08/04/23 05:14 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

The fact that you juxtaposed science to scholastics is impressive. I don't think most would understand that there even is a difference.



But OK, lets assume that morality comes from an instinctive development.

So, we're saying that animals have been observed to display a sense of right and wrong, which is an inner compass grown from instinctive development, and human morality is a more fully-developed version of the same?


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    #28420771 - 08/04/23 05:22 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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The fact that you juxtaposed science to scholastics is impressive. I don't think most would understand that there even is a difference.



But OK, lets assume that morality comes from an instinctive development.

So, we're saying that animals have been observed to display a sense of right and wrong, which is an inner compass grown from instinctive development, and human morality is a more fully-developed version of the same?



human mores are more complex, more differentiated, and more confused.
we introduce rules, and interpretations.
this disconnects from the obvious instantly suitable intuitive responses
and shifts towards externally imposed conditional case interpretation, or pretense and lying.


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    #28420787 - 08/04/23 05:38 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28421049 - 08/04/23 08:49 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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many animals exhibit fundamental moral behavior.
kindness, consideration, tenderness, sharing food, etc.




Outside of behaviors tied to preserving family genetics or the survival of community genetics (for example, the social insects, such as bees and ants), many animals lie, cheat, and steal.  We often romanticize "nature" because we are so divorced from it.  Nature is often pretty nasty, as the fight for survival mandates.  Zillions of examples.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28421417 - 08/05/23 05:40 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Agreed,

the point I make is you do not need linguistic prowess to be moral, or to lie and cheat, however, to give religion its due, respect for stories and writing, during the pre-printing-press days and the early printing-press days has been largely due to scribes preserving and recreating holy books.

We do not all really understand it this way, but even science would not exist if not for record keeping and publishing and for that we owe it to religious institutions.

Then again suppression of publishing seems suspiciously the fault of religious institutions as well, for it is a jealous god club. And that is just not very sweet of them


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28421455 - 08/05/23 06:46 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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human mores are more complex, more differentiated, and more confused.
we introduce rules, and interpretations.
this disconnects from the obvious instantly suitable intuitive responses
and shifts towards externally imposed conditional case interpretation, or pretense and lying.




So let me correct my summary-- You're saying that animals have been observed to display a sense of right and wrong, which is an inner compass grown from instinctive development, and human morality is a more complicated version of the same, often corrupted from its good right-brain intuitive responses.

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Outside of behaviors tied to preserving family genetics or the survival of community genetics (for example, the social insects, such as bees and ants), many animals lie, cheat, and steal.  We often romanticize "nature" because we are so divorced from it.  Nature is often pretty nasty, as the fight for survival mandates.  Zillions of examples.




I think that RJ has found a hole in our otherwise beautifully constructed boat.

Animals have no barometer for morality at all. This "inner compass" is merely genetic self-preservation. In which case, morality is to do what will multiply one's own gene pool most effectively. When competing for resources, one group of animals will kill another group.

Left to our instantly suitable intuitive responses, humans are also pretty nasty, as the fight for survival mandates... zillions of examples there too.

The constructs of "good" and "evil" only make sense when they are relative to a designated individual(s), such as what is beneficial for one's own gene pool, nation, planet, god, government, dictator, et cetera.

The construct of "Morality" is a superstitious relic of religion, in an evolutionarily indifferent world where survival of the fittest and the fight to preserve this or that gene pool is all that matters.

"Morality" is a self-esteem bolstering delusion-- the opiate of the masses for a modern age.

The internal compass of morality in animals, as well as the intuitive responses of humans, is in never-ending conflict, and is just as worthless for knowing "morality" as using the pantheon of conflicting religions and governments.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28421467 - 08/05/23 07:02 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

I never bought into right brain left brain theory, but otherwise, your second attempt to understand my statement is correct, intuition, or perception - which is  in a flash understanding uses the whole brain, and works in most animals.

humans and other animals can be nasty without the additional sophistication of religion to tell us what to be nasty about.
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humans and other animals can be moral without the additional sophistication of religion to tell us what to be moral about.


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    #28421473 - 08/05/23 07:09 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

For one individual to impose a moral judgement upon another, that is, the supposed existence of morality without the disclosure of the designated individual(s) who benefit from that "morality" is nothing more than the imposition of relgion 2.0.

All morality is only as righteous as it benefits someone... be it a god, dictator, government, planet or gene pool.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28421475 - 08/05/23 07:12 AM (5 months, 21 days ago)

Religion 2.0... significa, worthless.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28421913 - 08/05/23 02:11 PM (5 months, 21 days ago)

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For one individual to impose a moral judgement upon another, that is, the supposed existence of morality without the disclosure of the designated individual(s) who benefit from that "morality" is nothing more than the imposition of relgion 2.0.

All morality is only as righteous as it benefits someone... be it a god, dictator, government, planet or gene pool.




And yet we still decide to do things for the benefit and enjoyment of others too.

I think it's important to realise the potential of our actions to affect and effect others.

To consider how what we do impacts those around us. But also to think of ourselves and how we may benefit from our actions.

Just trying to be considerate is a good start imo.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28424473 - 08/07/23 03:45 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

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And yet we still decide to do things for the benefit and enjoyment of others too.

I think it's important to realise the potential of our actions to affect and effect others.

To consider how what we do impacts those around us. But also to think of ourselves and how we may benefit from our actions.

Just trying to be considerate is a good start imo.




Now that is a thought worth meditating upon.


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    #28424650 - 08/07/23 05:51 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

I can't meditate on a complex thought, it falls out of focus and into the background, it doesn't seem to flatten into a single plane like a view. I guess I'm too visual oriented.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28424936 - 08/07/23 08:45 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

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And yet we still decide to do things for the benefit and enjoyment of others too.

I think it's important to realise the potential of our actions to affect and effect others.

To consider how what we do impacts those around us. But also to think of ourselves and how we may benefit from our actions.

Just trying to be considerate is a good start imo.




Now that is a thought worth meditating upon.




That to me is the bare minimum. :sun:


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    #28424969 - 08/07/23 09:09 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

I practice two different types. Eastern Meditation which is more about simply being aware,... and Middle-Eastern, which is more of a rumination/percolation upon a given topic. I find the rumination/percolation to be a great way to absorb difficult but important truths. A chance to process and absorb. I like to do it by a fire, or in a hammock, et cetera. Sometimes I like to ask questions about my meditation topic:

What is the historical context of this?
What is the immediate context surrounding it?
What is the grammatical context within this?
How can I get some utility or pleasure from this?
Is there something about this message I find difficult? Why?
What is the speaker/author's intent of this message?
What are the central points that I can learn from this?
Is there a deeper or hidden meaning within this?


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28434740 - 08/15/23 09:01 AM (5 months, 11 days ago)

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Neo-Abrahamic faith is a libertarian religion that rejects the polity and institutions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but retains all of the same ideologies of being a "good" person, but without all of the inconvenience.


Our Credo of enlightenment:
1. Creation Myth. Science is everything that is testable in repeatable experiments, but our untestable conjectures that can never be disproven (like all religious ideology) we shall label these (our own dogmas) as "science". Thus, our creation "science" (never to be called a creation myth) is that of the multiverse. Because there are a nearly infinite number of other universes, it is not surprising that ours can exist among so many, and thus there is nothing special about ours.

2. Position on Science. We believe in science except where it has not yet been accepted by a voting majority in most universities (of the governmental voting board of the university which establishes control of what shall be taught), and likewise whatever has been accepted among a voting majority in most universities we will accept as true regardless of current scientific research. This democratic view we insist upon labeling as more "science."

3. Divinity. Since there is nothing divine, all of us are divine-- in nature, being God. This brings comfort.

4. Morality.

    A. Personal responsibility is absolved. If you offend someone, you are now responsible for their actions. (*See triggering)
    B. The strong must care for the weak, except when the weak are far enough away in another country and we just don't talk about them. By weak we pretty much just mean ourselves, but we're not really going to say that.
    C. Free speech should not be allowed if it offends us or anyone in our group, except for child molesters because they're perverts until voted into acceptance by the governmental voting boards of our universities which establish control of what shall be taught.
    D. We are sensitive and tolerant of all, except people who disagree with us, rednecks, the uneducated/unenlightened, and Nazis, because we our selves would never be capable of ignorance or atrocities.
    E. The English language as a whole is racist and bigoted, and must be changed. Gender sensitivity and Ebonics must be included to be sensitive to all groups and cultures (except the English spoken in the Southern US, Northern UK, Nigeria, Jamaica, India, and various immigrant groups who just sound dumb when they speak improper English).
    F. The 10 Suggestions
          I. Thou shalt have no God.
          II. Thou shalt take two days off per week, plus a minimum of 2 weeks vacay and paid holidays, or thou art being exploited.
          III. Honor thy Mother Earth.
          IV. Thou shalt not kill.
          V. Thou shalt try not to lie too much, unless it is for good reason.
          VI. Thou may desire and vote to have and to hold any of your neighbors objects, but thou shalt try not to get caught with thy neighbors wife.
          VII. Thou shalt not count these 10 Holy Commandments. 
         


5. Sin & Redemption. There is no redemption for the offenders. Anyone who disagrees with us shall be labeled, shamed and ridiculed in an enlightened way.

Your help is needed!

WE NEED:
a. A name
b. A system of organizational polity and governance
c. A system of collecting cash from the world
d. We misplaced a couple of the commandments. Please make suggestions.






so you're saying..

Neo Abrahamic Religion..
God not invited
Abraham not invited
fuk rednecks & nazis


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    #28434766 - 08/15/23 09:36 AM (5 months, 11 days ago)

Maybe it's a formative club in which the members pursue variations upon the themes by which to define the club to which these members have not yet been accepted.

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    #28435111 - 08/15/23 03:08 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

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so you're saying..

Neo Abrahamic Religion..
God not invited
Abraham not invited
fuk rednecks & nazis




Yes, but the historical Nazis are quite unimportant. It's more important to be sure that you are dehumanizing anyone who disagrees with you by just labeling them as Nazis.


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    #28435112 - 08/15/23 03:10 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

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many animals exhibit fundamental moral behavior.
kindness, consideration, tenderness, sharing food, etc.
no religion
no verbal logic.
religion is kind of a parasite on humanity which already has a moral compass and does not need additional wrappings and trappings.




What if the moral compasses between folks are in conflict? Do we vote?


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    #28435167 - 08/15/23 04:14 PM (5 months, 10 days ago)

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many animals exhibit fundamental moral behavior.
kindness, consideration, tenderness, sharing food, etc.
no religion
no verbal logic.
religion is kind of a parasite on humanity which already has a moral compass and does not need additional wrappings and trappings.




What if the moral compasses between folks are in conflict? Do we vote?



I have not heard of successful 3rd party religious intermediation between oppositional religious groups (i.e. religious moral compasses present alternative north's).

It would be best to praise our common roots, but since we extinctified our forefathers (the unfondly missed missing link) we can venerate monkeys instead, to help realign our conflicted moral compasses.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28438112 - 08/18/23 11:35 AM (5 months, 8 days ago)

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...we can venerate monkeys instead, to help realign our conflicted moral compasses.




LOL! :laugh:

But that certainly gives me some great new role models with ideas for how to settle disagreements


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28438185 - 08/18/23 12:51 PM (5 months, 8 days ago)

Foreforefatherism
Aka monkey business


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28440573 - 08/20/23 12:21 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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Religion has consistently been inconsistent.

But don't despair, our new enlightened Neo-Abrahamic faith has greatly improved the gender teachings of Christ by rightly pointing out that genetic & hormonal differences are physically and socially immaterial, and that the so-called evolutionary phenomena of social dominance hierarchies present in most animals is actually a modern construct designed to oppress women.




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    #28445782 - 08/24/23 09:43 PM (5 months, 1 day ago)

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:waitthatsbad:




LOL

But you know... as much as I like to poke fun at the illogical societal norms that are ultimately just part of a larger system of manufactured consent with the modern banking system at the very top of the pile... I'm somewhat of a hypocrite because my own income comes from this system.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28445892 - 08/24/23 10:47 PM (5 months, 1 day ago)

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LOL

But you know... as much as I like to poke fun at the illogical societal norms that are ultimately just part of a larger system of manufactured consent with the modern banking system at the very top of the pile... I'm somewhat of a hypocrite because my own income comes from this system.






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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28446034 - 08/25/23 03:50 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

It's a bit like the old body is in decline, what will replace it (AI) has no regard for humanity as such, but it may serve human life in a commensual way.

In the mean time, I see a flury of people looting what they can take, as if the storefronts were all bashed in, and the SUV's are filling up with unneeded merch.

The sky is literally falling, and the forests are burning.

Apocalypse Now.

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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28446046 - 08/25/23 04:18 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

grin

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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28456695 - 09/03/23 06:46 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

I guess for me, then the action question is to learn what one can do from within the modern banking system. It can become somewhat of an apocalypse... at least if you consider someone who works for $15,000 per year is supposed to carry $6 million worth of debt, which is roughly the ratio of every tax-paying American worker to their respective portion of the national debt plus "unfunded liabilities." The only way to recover from that is a "market correction" that dwarfs the great depression.

But...

I will design and implement a new blockchain monetary system for all central banks. My new currency design is asset-backed for stability, and can still allow for the expansion and contraction of the money supply as it will tie into the current system of debt-based fiat. I will bifurcate the overnight fed interest rate, so that the powers of gas and break can be applied to two different areas of the economy to "steer" growth in education, infrastructure, and other precursors of prosperity. I'll test it first in an African nation to demonstrate that I can stop inflation and end cybertheft. From there I will introduce it to around 50 nations. That should be a good start.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28456699 - 09/03/23 06:53 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

I can see it now!


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28456708 - 09/03/23 07:08 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

:ducklol:


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28461262 - 09/07/23 03:49 AM (4 months, 19 days ago)

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so you're saying..

Neo Abrahamic Religion..
God not invited
Abraham not invited
fuk rednecks & nazis




Yes, but the historical Nazis are quite unimportant. It's more important to be sure that you are dehumanizing anyone who disagrees with you by just labeling them as Nazis.





As anyone in the forum will attest Nazis matter a great deal to me.




i'm not neo-abrahamic, i'm Negro-Adamic

God created Adam in His image, a black man in Africa.

God created humanity because he needed some of His angels in the flesh to help out on earth. Thats us.

Let us help ourselves and with it the world by helping those first who need our help the most because we wronged them most.

Guess who?

Thats not some Gen Z atheist irony of calling people nazis, thats genuine serious spirituality.

Weird? not if you're not racist or anti-theistic

Love you of course, just strong words from a platinum heart.





oh and the love for your fellow man is Sacred:




So repent sinner!






be the Supersaiyan the world needs :loveheart:



of course its super goofy to say it like this.

effin help Africa ok? They literally die for our luxury.




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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Asante]
    #28461268 - 09/07/23 03:57 AM (4 months, 19 days ago)

We are kin on the Africa-ordeal, Asante! :heart:


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    #28461666 - 09/07/23 04:13 PM (4 months, 18 days ago)

Lets start putting out the house thats on fire, and bandage the leg that is broken.

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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Asante]
    #28461784 - 09/07/23 06:38 PM (4 months, 18 days ago)

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Yes, but the historical Nazis are quite unimportant. It's more important to be sure that you are dehumanizing anyone who disagrees with you by just labeling them as Nazis.





As anyone in the forum will attest Nazis matter a great deal to me.





Sorry, that was intended to be read as satire. 

If you think about it, "enlightened" people (who still believe in the historical Nazi party platform of socialism, and who want to censor the conservatives and religious groups again as well) labeling conservatives (and even Jews) as Nazis is so ironic that it deserves the Nobel Prize of Propaganda.

I'm not saying socialists are bad-- I have a lot of socialist leanings (and take RGV,... please!). But I do condemn the current fad of dehumanizing people with a different view by silencing and labeling them.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28461853 - 09/07/23 07:40 PM (4 months, 18 days ago)

Ironic you use the label of socialist then.

Any examples of individuals or policies espoused by the 'socialist'? Any goals, agendas etc.

As in, can you please define what you mean by socialist.


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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
    #28461938 - 09/07/23 09:01 PM (4 months, 18 days ago)

I am not completely non-political.

I was a secretary for a metropolitan business ratepayers association (BIA) for 3 years and then the president of that same organization for 3 years, liaising with local government.

but I am not a political agent. nor am I a political lacky.

there were complicated private reasons for me to engage in this activity, but I am glad I did it. I learned a lot. I think people should be civically involved.


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    #28463278 - 09/09/23 11:11 AM (4 months, 17 days ago)

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Ironic you use the label of socialist then.

Any examples of individuals or policies espoused by the 'socialist'? Any goals, agendas etc.

As in, can you please define what you mean by socialist.




By "socialist leanings," I mean:

a. I lived in what was effectively a small commune of about 20 people for a few years when I was younger. Expenses were shared and everyone worked.

b. I've been a member of other shared expense groups because expense sharing is highly efficient when strengthened by free-market competition.

c. I support programs to help homeless people of color to become home owners.

d. I am politically active and am presently helping a large multinational corporation for an agenda to be promoted in 50+ nations that will increase jobs, income, healthcare and education for the poor by using natural supply and demand mechanisms and a novel tax structure that prospers everyone.   



When many poor gang up the few to force socialism by the heavy hand-- this is not socialism. This is just thuggery.

True socialism must involve the hearts and wills of all involved, or the laws of supply and demand will eventually see it turn into the corrupt oligarchies that are entire systems of poverty and de-incentivization.


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    #28463292 - 09/09/23 11:22 AM (4 months, 17 days ago)

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I am not completely non-political.

I was a secretary for a metropolitan business ratepayers association (BIA) for 3 years and then the president of that same organization for 3 years, liaising with local government.

but I am not a political agent. nor am I a political lacky.

there were complicated private reasons for me to engage in this activity, but I am glad I did it. I learned a lot. I think people should be civically involved.




Make Canada Great Again?


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    #28463341 - 09/09/23 12:29 PM (4 months, 17 days ago)

I like it, Moses!


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