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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28411227 - 07/28/23 04:45 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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having a dependable overton can be very supportive
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28414817 - 07/31/23 07:52 AM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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sudly said: I think religion can tend to be very possessive of women.
In Islam, the Koran states that women are mentally inferior property. The traditional status of women in Hinduism is unfortunate liabilities. Buddha said women can achieve Nirvana, and the first women scholars in India all came from Buddhist Sangha. Mediterranean Catholicism (Spanish et al.) is matriarchal & deifies mothers. The rest of Christian cultures are generally patriarchal. The Bible (Not to be confused with the institutions of organized Christianity that so often depart from it) says that heaven is genderless, sexes are equal before God, and that women are to be treated with reverence. Native American spiritualism was often partially matriarchal. It probably doesn't need to be stated that Wicca and Paganism are often matriarchal.
Religion has consistently been inconsistent.
But don't despair, our new enlightened Neo-Abrahamic faith has greatly improved the gender teachings of Christ by rightly pointing out that genetic & hormonal differences are physically and socially immaterial, and that the so-called evolutionary phenomena of social dominance hierarchies present in most animals is actually a modern construct designed to oppress women.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28414828 - 07/31/23 08:03 AM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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Amazing that Christ was so well informed by modern science. This puts the Neo in Neo-Abra...
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
#28415141 - 07/31/23 02:04 PM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: Amazing that Christ was so well informed by modern science. This puts the Neo in Neo-Abra...
Well its our job to inform God of our enlightened neo-learnings so that he can catch up.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28415151 - 07/31/23 02:13 PM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28415198 - 07/31/23 03:09 PM (5 months, 25 days ago) |
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sudly said: I think religion can tend to be very possessive of women.
But don't despair, our new enlightened Neo-Abrahamic faith has greatly improved the gender teachings of Christ by rightly pointing out that genetic & hormonal differences are physically and socially immaterial, and that the so-called evolutionary phenomena of social dominance hierarchies present in most animals is actually a modern construct designed to oppress women.
Institutional oppression of women is perpetrated by many of religious idealogue.
The institutional act of it is concerning. What specifically and you referring to as the aspect of neo abrahamic faith that points out the genetic and hormonal differences of gender as both socially and physically immaterial?
Something like, all souls go to heaven I presume.
I'd again ask what specifically you are referring regarding your comment of social dominance hierarchy of animals being a modern construct designed to oppress women.
Something like, a women is happy under the care of a man?
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28416800 - 08/01/23 09:40 PM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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sudly said: What specifically and you referring to as the aspect of neo abrahamic faith that points out the genetic and hormonal differences of gender as both socially and physically immaterial?
I'd again ask what specifically you are referring regarding your comment of social dominance hierarchy of animals being a modern construct designed to oppress women.
One example of the immaterial (irrelevant) nature of genetic and hormonal physical differences in our enlightened ideology was the push for women to be fighterjet pilots, whether or not they had the skill and ability to do so safely, even if it meant their deaths. Our ideology must come before all. Multiple female fighter jet pilots were pushed to fly and died in the Obama administration in order to support our ideology cause. Some said they weren't ready, but that was just sexist oppression that caused their deaths. Sacrifices had to be made to prove that there are no material differences between men and women.
So... we speak our reality into existence, and abra-cadabra, it is so! Facts no longer apply to us.
The social dominance hierarchy of modern society is paternalistic and oppressive. This evil construct of sexism and hate was a product of bigotry and ignorance, created by cruel men only to oppress others in the system. If only we could revert to be like the loving bonobos, we would ignore gender and all be loving colonies of humans living in community, eating leaves and perhaps grasshoppers... living, loving, and laughing together in social utopia.
You have found this reply useful and informative. Abra-cadabra! You have no further questions of the accepted logic as taught by the media in our new faith! If you did question this logic, you would be a hateful bigot, and probably a redneck. We hate rednecks,... but in an accepting and enlightened way though so its OK.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28416911 - 08/01/23 11:53 PM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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Some women have the skill and ability to operate fighter jets safely, as do some men, regardless it's a dangerous job and plenty of men have died too.
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What Is The Death Rate Of Fighter Pilots?
Officers had a mean 11-year mortality rate of 12.3/100,000 and enlisted personnel died at a rate of 4.8/100,000, resulting in a 9.4:1 officer-to-enlisted ratio (Ungs, 1996).
5.2% Of Airline Pilots Die In Crashes
What percentage of airline pilots have died? A total of 437 pilots died in 8411 crashes (52%), according to the data. As a result, pilots are more likely to die early than the rest of the population. At the age of 61, pilots are typically the most likely to die. In the 50-74 age group, the average age at death for a male is 63 years old.
https://www.atlas-blue.com/how-many-fighter-pilots-die-a-year-2/
Unless you start bagging out male fighter pilots your sexism is clearly on display.
10% of bonobos are gay or bisexual.
I am more certain from your comments that some religions, and now more specifically neo-abrahamic religion as you've described it, can tend to be very possessive of women.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28417067 - 08/02/23 06:06 AM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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Fighter Jets are a form of male clothing which is hard to resize. Players in the field of politics and religion manipulate memes to make them look better.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28417921 - 08/02/23 09:35 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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5.2% Of Airline Pilots Die In Crashes
Yikes!
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sudly said: 10% of bonobos are gay or bisexual.
Does that include the Lesbian, Trans, and Queer, and + bonobos?
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sudly said: I am more certain from your comments that some religions, and now more specifically neo-abrahamic religion as you've described it, can tend to be very possessive of women.
Hmmmmm well I don't think we can possess women, but we should get degrees in Women's studies. That's important! Write that down.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
#28417930 - 08/02/23 09:40 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: Fighter Jets are a form of male clothing which is hard to resize.
I knew it! The bloody patriarchy WAS to blame. We need gender-neutral jets.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28417953 - 08/02/23 09:55 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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sudly said: 10% of bonobos are gay or bisexual.
Does that include the Lesbian, Trans, and Queer, and + bonobos?
Would it make a difference?
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sudly said: I am more certain from your comments that some religions, and now more specifically neo-abrahamic religion as you've described it, can tend to be very possessive of women.
Hmmmmm well I don't think we can possess women, but we should get degrees in Women's studies. That's important! Write that down.
You've pretty blatantly made sexist comments, and now won't even respond to being called out about your female pilot stunt?
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28417983 - 08/02/23 10:11 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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sudly said: You're pretty blatantly sexist.
My ex GF had a degree in women's studies. I learned a lot from her. I've also learned a lot about women from a lesbian co-worker. But the current media-induced belief system being followed by the masses of lemmings is nothing more than a modern dogma with fervent politically correct followers who are just as incapable of skeptical thought as the masses of other mindless religious wackos of the past. It's more of the same crap, in a different wrapper.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28418051 - 08/02/23 11:33 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Other than you're clearly bull example of female pilots, what's one actual example you're referring to?
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28418222 - 08/03/23 04:45 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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things are getting murky
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
#28418232 - 08/03/23 04:56 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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No. Only world peace and happiness!
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28419883 - 08/04/23 12:08 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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sudly said: Other than you're clearly bull example of female pilots, what's one actual example you're referring to?
Let's take morality for example. Where do you get your moral compass? You seem to be assuming that hate is evil/bad. You can educate me. If hate is bad, you are also implying that there is good.
Is this a belief system of moral absolutes? Where did these absolutes come from that you hold?
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
#28419885 - 08/04/23 12:10 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: things are getting murky
Clearly!
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28419899 - 08/04/23 12:31 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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sudly said: Other than you're clearly bull example of female pilots, what's one actual example you're referring to?
Let's take morality for example. Where do you get your moral compass? You seem to be assuming that hate is evil/bad. You can educate me. If hate is bad, you are also implying that there is good.
Is this a belief system of moral absolutes? Where did these absolutes come from that you hold?
Here's comes the age ol, if the bible is what stops you from doing bad things, then you are a scary person.

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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28420102 - 08/04/23 06:51 AM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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sudly said: Here's comes the age ol, if the bible is what stops you from doing bad things, then you are a scary person.
If morality came from religion, then we cannot know what to do when the gods disagree, and they disagree on so many things. So good and bad cannot come from the gods.
We can agree on that.
So a knowledge of what is good and bad comes from within?
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