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Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US
#28388645 - 07/07/23 05:33 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Neo-Abrahamic faith is a libertarian religion that rejects the polity and institutions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but retains all of the same ideologies of being a "good" person, but without all of the inconvenience.
Our Credo of enlightenment: 1. Creation Myth. Science is everything that is testable in repeatable experiments, but our untestable conjectures that can never be disproven (like all religious ideology) we shall label these (our own dogmas) as "science". Thus, our creation "science" (never to be called a creation myth) is that of the multiverse. Because there are a nearly infinite number of other universes, it is not surprising that ours can exist among so many, and thus there is nothing special about ours.
2. Position on Science. We believe in science except where it has not yet been accepted by a voting majority in most universities (of the governmental voting board of the university which establishes control of what shall be taught), and likewise whatever has been accepted among a voting majority in most universities we will accept as true regardless of current scientific research. This democratic view we insist upon labeling as more "science."
3. Divinity. Since there is nothing divine, all of us are divine-- in nature, being God. This brings comfort.
4. Morality.
A. Personal responsibility is absolved. If you offend someone, you are now responsible for their actions. (*See triggering) B. The strong must care for the weak, except when the weak are far enough away in another country and we just don't talk about them. By weak we pretty much just mean ourselves, but we're not really going to say that. C. Free speech should not be allowed if it offends us or anyone in our group, except for child molesters because they're perverts until voted into acceptance by the governmental voting boards of our universities which establish control of what shall be taught. D. We are sensitive and tolerant of all, except people who disagree with us, rednecks, the uneducated/unenlightened, and Nazis, because we our selves would never be capable of ignorance or atrocities. E. The English language as a whole is racist and bigoted, and must be changed. Gender sensitivity and Ebonics must be included to be sensitive to all groups and cultures (except the English spoken in the Southern US, Northern UK, Nigeria, Jamaica, India, and various immigrant groups who just sound dumb when they speak improper English). F. The 10 Suggestions I. Thou shalt have no God. II. Thou shalt take two days off per week, plus a minimum of 2 weeks vacay and paid holidays, or thou art being exploited. III. Honor thy Mother Earth. IV. Thou shalt not kill. V. Thou shalt try not to lie too much, unless it is for good reason. VI. Thou may desire and vote to have and to hold any of your neighbors objects, but thou shalt try not to get caught with thy neighbors wife. VII. Thou shalt not count these 10 Holy Commandments.
5. Sin & Redemption. There is no redemption for the offenders. Anyone who disagrees with us shall be labeled, shamed and ridiculed in an enlightened way.
Your help is needed!
WE NEED: a. A name b. A system of organizational polity and governance c. A system of collecting cash from the world d. We misplaced a couple of the commandments. Please make suggestions.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28388747 - 07/07/23 07:46 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28388948 - 07/08/23 02:44 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Well, I think such growth within faith has a counter..
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Yet another crucial measure of institutional religion in the U.S., the percentage of people identifying as religious, is also at a low: About 1 in 5 adults now say they have no religious affiliation, up from 1 in 50 in 1960.
In short, when it comes to three key realms of religious lifeābelief, behavior and belongingāall are lower than they have ever been in American history.
https://phys.org/news/2023-02-big-story-secularization-america.html
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28388981 - 07/08/23 04:41 AM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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I believe in cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility I am not sure we are ready for it on a planet wide scale yet
there are political enemies to cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility, shall we not rejoice while tossing them into volcanoes?
Gaia wants justice
belief is such a bloody business.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28389306 - 07/08/23 12:30 PM (6 months, 18 days ago) |
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Moses_Davidson said: Our Credo of enlightenment: 1. Creation Myth. Science is everything that is testable in repeatable experiments, but our untestable conjectures that can never be disproven (like all religious ideology) we shall label these (our own dogmas) as "science". Thus, our creation "science" (never to be called a creation myth) is that of the multiverse. Because there are a nearly infinite number of other universes, it is not surprising that ours can exist among so many, and thus there is nothing special about ours.
Isn't this like, hella confusing? Shouldn't there be a distinction between science that is testable vs unfalsifiable untestable conjectures?
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4. Morality.
A. Personal responsibility is absolved. If you offend someone, you are now responsible for their actions. (*See triggering)
Uh... What? So if I offend/trigger you and you kill someone, that makes me a murderer?
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C. Free speech should not be allowed if it offends us or anyone in our group.
Sounds like a slippery slope. Anyone could be offended by anything.
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D. We are sensitive and tolerant of all, except people who disagree with us, rednecks, the uneducated/unenlightened, and Nazis,
Sounds pretty intolerant. Who gets to decide what counts as "unenlightened"? All rednecks are automatically as bad as nazis? 
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because we our selves would never be capable of ignorance or atrocities.
Riigghht.... Because you're all enlightened. Foolproof.
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E. The English language as a whole is racist and bigoted, and must be changed. Gender sensitivity and Ebonics must be included to be sensitive to all groups and cultures (except the English spoken in the Southern US, Northern UK, Nigeria, Jamaica, India, and various immigrant groups who just sound dumb when they speak improper English).
Um... What? Why are you arbitrarily excluding cultures? Are you saying we should be insensitive to people who speak differently or are having trouble learning english because they sound dumb?
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5. Sin & Redemption. There is no redemption for the offenders. Anyone who disagrees with us shall be labeled, shamed and ridiculed in an enlightened way.
Labeling, shaming, and ridiculing doesn't sound very enlightened. Maybe have a conversation with people who disagree with you? They may in fact be on to something.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28392490 - 07/11/23 01:53 PM (6 months, 15 days ago) |
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Svetaketu said:
Isn't this like, hella confusing? Shouldn't there be a distinction between science that is testable vs unfalsifiable untestable conjectures?
Uh... What? So if I offend/trigger you and you kill someone, that makes me a murderer?
Sounds like a slippery slope. Anyone could be offended by anything.
Sounds pretty intolerant. Who gets to decide what counts as "unenlightened"? All rednecks are automatically as bad as nazis?
Riigghht.... Because you're all enlightened. Foolproof.
Why are you arbitrarily excluding cultures? Are you saying we should be insensitive to people who speak differently or are having trouble learning english because they sound dumb?
Labeling, shaming, and ridiculing doesn't sound very enlightened.
It is satire.
https://media.tenor.com/JvSr2xkJgLkAAAAM/my-reflexes-are-too-fasr.gif
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sudly said: Well, I think such growth within faith has a counter..
In short, when it comes to three key realms of religious lifeābelief, behavior and belongingāall are lower than they have ever been in American history.
Thank you Sudly. The three key realms are particularly interesting.
About the popular ideology that is replacing religion, do you think it is supported by belief, behavior and belonging?
I think that just as people need resistance (to overcome) to gain muscle, mental health, and satisfaction in life... don't people become depressed in the absence of group belief, group behavior and group belonging?
Seems to me a religious vacuum is ripe for some ideology that is (as Svetaketu said) a slippery slope leading to arbitrary bigotry within self-professed innocence and enlightenment, such as cultural hubris or whatever floats along. Seems like people need these three key realms to fill an inner void. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
#28392510 - 07/11/23 02:06 PM (6 months, 15 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I believe in cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility I am not sure we are ready for it on a planet wide scale yet
there are political enemies to cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility, shall we not rejoice while tossing them into volcanoes?
Gaia wants justice
belief is such a bloody business.
Oh I think we all believe in the glittering generality of it, the vague ideas of cognitive freedom and environmental responsibility, as long as we aren't offended or inconvenienced by either.
No blood with tidy volcanoes!
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28392543 - 07/11/23 02:26 PM (6 months, 15 days ago) |
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totally over my head.
I can't tell the difference anymore, been talking to too many people who genuinely believe in far stranger things than this.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28392573 - 07/11/23 02:48 PM (6 months, 15 days ago) |
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I wouldn't summarise depression as such a simple notion of codependency. No.
Do you think belief, behaviour and belonging only belong to religion?
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly] 1
#28392614 - 07/11/23 03:41 PM (6 months, 14 days ago) |
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I think those three realms of human need have historically been met by identity politics, cultural groups, and any identity group. Race, subculture, family role, product user (Chevy man), hobby user (biker), club member (SCA, Masons), athlete type, et cetera.
I went to an huge SCA event once and was shocked at how people were radically dedicated to the whole SCA thing. They had religious fervor, but yet there was nothing intrinsically religious about it.
I think a political ideology can certainly be like a religion.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28392635 - 07/11/23 04:13 PM (6 months, 14 days ago) |
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Some people become almost tribalistic with a political ideology, some people just like good policy like universal healthcare.
I like Bernie but if he proposed policy I didn't support, I wouldn't support him. Some people vote for their feelings about a character someone plays, some actually care about policy and how it impacts their lives.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly] 1
#28394141 - 07/13/23 06:41 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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Speaking of Bernie... Here are some things about him I love:
1. His hair 2. From NYC which means he has a take-no-BS attitude 3. Populist with ability to excite the masses 4. Says "yuge" 5. Appeals to people who feel the political system is rigged 6. Denounces giant political donors, lobbyists et cetera 7. Denounces government corruption and he actually means it, which made him a threat to the corrupt shadow government 8. Vocal opponent of NAFTA and other trade agreements that sent American jobs to China 9. China & Lobbyists hate him-- he can't be bought 10. Grassroots supporters 11. Passionate 12. Hated by many 13. Likes the Social Security system for those who need it 14. He believes if we de-fund the fiscally wasteful swamp political policies that are pro-China and pro-lobbyist/special interest, this money should b used to benefit the people through medicaid, social security, et cetera
Ironically, these are also all things I like about Donald Trump. So I guess my point is that if Bernie and Trump agree on it, anyone who disagrees with their common denominators is naive or has a conflict of interests.
Sadly, I believe if Bernie ever won the presidency, he would receive the same tar and feathers attacks as Trump, no matter what he did or said because he will not kiss the ring of the swamp monsters, but will attack them.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28394143 - 07/13/23 06:49 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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And - swamp politicians like Biden are the antithesis of Bernie.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28394320 - 07/13/23 10:47 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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On one hand Bernie says Putin has legitimate arguments supporting his decisions, yet he supports spending billions on Ukraine - which is seen by many as a form of government corruption disguised as "saving democracy."
Bernie claims the Monroe Doctrine has been employed to "justify undermining or overthrowing at least a dozen governments."
(Of course, Ukraine won the war a year ago, so it's really a non-issue. I've been waiting for a Ukranian victory parade, but they must be busy adorning the hundreds of the floats with flowers and practicing nationalistic music anthems and overtures)
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28394329 - 07/13/23 11:01 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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A surfeit of cynicism there, RJ?
You don't think that Ukraine has already won against a Russian MIlitary Takeover. that surprising conflict is certainly still ongoing. Maybe you are just trying to mix me up. Would that not be adding your voice to misinformation?
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: redgreenvines]
#28394338 - 07/13/23 11:16 AM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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For over a year I've heard a loud boisterous cacophony from media and friends and family that Russia has lost the war. This mantra is repeated ad nauseum here on The Shroomery. Most people refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Putin's overall objectives are being met. People scream NO! NO! NO! He has failed!!!
yeah, whatever
As the US now prepares for more years of war in Ukraine
Yet, Ukraine won the war, right?
Where is the victory parade?
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28394410 - 07/13/23 12:38 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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cacophony is the fastest growing religion then, I hope I do not have to convert to save my skin.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#28394478 - 07/13/23 02:19 PM (6 months, 13 days ago) |
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Moses_Davidson said: Speaking of Bernie... Here are some things about him I love:
1. His hair 2. From NYC which means he has a take-no-BS attitude 3. Populist with ability to excite the masses 4. Says "yuge" 5. Appeals to people who feel the political system is rigged 6. Denounces giant political donors, lobbyists et cetera 7. Denounces government corruption and he actually means it, which made him a threat to the corrupt shadow government 8. Vocal opponent of NAFTA and other trade agreements that sent American jobs to China 9. China & Lobbyists hate him-- he can't be bought 10. Grassroots supporters 11. Passionate 12. Hated by many 13. Likes the Social Security system for those who need it 14. He believes if we de-fund the fiscally wasteful swamp political policies that are pro-China and pro-lobbyist/special interest, this money should b used to benefit the people through medicaid, social security, et cetera
Ironically, these are also all things I like about Donald Trump. So I guess my point is that if Bernie and Trump agree on it, anyone who disagrees with their common denominators is naive or has a conflict of interests.
Sadly, I believe if Bernie ever won the presidency, he would receive the same tar and feathers attacks as Trump, no matter what he did or said because he will not kiss the ring of the swamp monsters, but will attack them.
Now I know you're unable to differentiate the policies of Trump and Bernie, because your comments are not conjunct to their individual policies.
You're clearly referring to character, not policy.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28394512 - 07/13/23 03:05 PM (6 months, 12 days ago) |
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I have a Ukrainian friend who says there is a lot more to the whole story than meets the eye, and that the corruption is a deep rabbit hole on both sides of that war. It confuses me thoroughly.
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Re: Neo-Abrahamic Religion now the fastest growing faith in US [Re: sudly]
#28394527 - 07/13/23 03:16 PM (6 months, 12 days ago) |
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sudly said: You're clearly referring to character, not policy.
They share the same policy goals to get rid of NAFTA... which may seem odd on the surface but both are populists, and NAFTA was a cabal of swampy corruption.
So far as most policies, yes of course, very different.
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