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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb] 1
#28387362 - 07/06/23 04:31 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: Judge Terry Doughty issued and injunction against the biden administration baring them from contacting social media outlets to urge them to take down lies and misinformation regarding covid and other issues covered under free speech.

That really explains a lot.
When people are so brainwashed they will defend a government engaging in blatantly corrupt policies - in violation of the first amendment - because they are "preventing misinformation". 
God help us all.
I have tried to ignore your threads because for the most part they are garbage but this one really takes the cake.
Even as deeply cynical as I am I have still somehow managed to deeply underestimate just how deep human ignorance and foolishness can really go.
The delusions here are so off the charts it actually hurts.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: chopstick]
#28387364 - 07/06/23 04:34 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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chopstick said:
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rxb said: Judge Terry Doughty issued and injunction against the biden administration baring them from contacting social media outlets to urge them to take down lies and misinformation regarding covid and other issues covered under free speech.

That really explains a lot.
When people are so brainwashed they will defend a government engaging in blatantly corrupt policies - in violation of the first amendment - because they are "preventing misinformation". 
God help us all.
Even as deeply cynical as I am I have still somehow managed to deeply underestimate just how deep human ignorance and foolishness can really go.
The delusions here are so off the charts it actually hurts.
and i also support the liars right to lie.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb]
#28387373 - 07/06/23 04:40 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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I’m over here eating my popcorn waiting for this to blow up in proponents faces. It’s going to be great. One more backwards standard from people that don’t understand the internet. Giddy up!
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Ice9]
#28387384 - 07/06/23 04:53 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Here's more Government disinformation debunked:
PENTAGON QUIETLY ADMITS US LIED ABOUT CHINESE ‘SPY’ BALLOONS
What were the actual government disinformation quotes from January? That article just uses some quotes from the pentagon spokesperson updating on the balloon, and uses them to make some sort of insinuation about 'mainstream media" and what not. Kooky conspiracy article, not compelling argument for US government disinformation you seem to think it is. Makes you look a bit

The mainstream media told us these were Chinese spy balloons, based on information from senior U.S. officials. Not sure why that makes me look crazy?
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: christopera]
#28387386 - 07/06/23 04:56 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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supporting free speech means that you support bidens right to say things publically OR privately that you dont like.
the government itself can say things you dont like as well. officials even in their official capacity still have the right to say things even if you dont like them.
liars... get the right to say things that are not true.. so long as its not defamatory...libelous etc.
social media outlets have EVERY right to ban ANYTHING they dont like for ANY reason they want.
and in non-emergency situations the government cannot DEMAND that someone censor...
and a judge cant just tell biden what he can and cannot say to a social media company without it having a justified reason... like trampling on rights.
if biden had ordered a social media company to censor the judge would have justifiable cause to censor biden from censoring others... but that is NOT what happened.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb]
#28387398 - 07/06/23 05:05 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: supporting free speech means that you support bidens right to say things publically OR privately that you dont like.
the government itself can say things you dont like as well. officials even in their official capacity still have the right to say things even if you dont like them.
liars... get the right to say things that are not true.. so long as its not defamatory...libelous etc.
social media outlets have EVERY right to ban ANYTHING they dont like for ANY reason they want.
and in non-emergency situations the government cannot DEMAND that someone censor...
and a judge cant just tell biden what he can and cannot say to a social media company without it having a justified reason... like trampling on rights.
So far, we agree.
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rxb said: if biden had ordered a social media company to censor the judge would have justifiable cause to censor biden from censoring others... but that is NOT what happened.
Here's where we disagree. While the US Government asking a social media company to censor content isn't technically the same as ordering them to, it has a similar effect, as people like Jack Dorsey have said.
I realize I differ with people about this, but to me, government asking for censorship is the opposite of them protecting free speech.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387401 - 07/06/23 05:07 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: supporting free speech means that you support bidens right to say things publically OR privately that you dont like.
the government itself can say things you dont like as well. officials even in their official capacity still have the right to say things even if you dont like them.
liars... get the right to say things that are not true.. so long as its not defamatory...libelous etc.
social media outlets have EVERY right to ban ANYTHING they dont like for ANY reason they want.
and in non-emergency situations the government cannot DEMAND that someone censor...
and a judge cant just tell biden what he can and cannot say to a social media company without it having a justified reason... like trampling on rights.
So far, we agree.
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rxb said: if biden had ordered a social media company to censor the judge would have justifiable cause to censor biden from censoring others... but that is NOT what happened.
Here's where we disagree. While the US Government asking a social media company to censor content isn't technically the same as ordering them to, it has a similar effect, as people like Jack Dorsey have said.
I realize I differ with people about this, but to me, government asking for censorship is the opposite of them protecting free speech.
your feelings are not laws. the law is the law. and from a legal standpoint it wasnt an order and no one has claimed it was.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Ice9]
#28387434 - 07/06/23 05:43 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So you support Government asking private companies to censor information, even if that information is correct?
Here's more Government disinformation debunked:
PENTAGON QUIETLY ADMITS US LIED ABOUT CHINESE ‘SPY’ BALLOONS
What were the actual government disinformation quotes from January? That article just uses some quotes from the pentagon spokesperson updating on the balloon, and uses them to make some sort of insinuation about 'mainstream media" and what not. Kooky conspiracy article, not compelling argument for US government disinformation you seem to think it is. Makes you look a bit

Did you read the comment section of the website he linked? All Putin felatio enthusiasts. Pretty funny thebone guys name is "kardyrov's cum leaking ass"
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb] 1
#28387469 - 07/06/23 06:16 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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The federal government does not have a right to free speech, that is an individual civil liberty.
This is censorship of political dissent and the judge was right to place an injunction.
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An Orwellian Ministry of Truth
The fed govt used this mechanism to suppress real facts that were pertinent to the election in hunters laptop.
The fed govt used this to suppress factual information about covid's origins as well as side effects of the vaccine
I am shocked that anyone would consider the government suppressing speech by its people a form of free speech
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Sugabearcrisp] 1
#28387487 - 07/06/23 06:23 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: I am shocked that anyone would consider the government suppressing speech by its people a form of free speech
So am I.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28387518 - 07/06/23 06:47 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: right to free speech, that is an individual civil liberty.
This is completely wrong
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387521 - 07/06/23 06:48 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: I am shocked that anyone would consider the government suppressing speech by its people a form of free speech
So am I. 
How so? You claimed it was fine for Turkey to suppress individuals on twitter, or really any speech, as long as that speech is illegal.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28387522 - 07/06/23 06:48 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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well you are wrong... all parties have the freedoms... and the rights...
and the reason you cant wrap your head around it is because you have a side and i dont.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Ice9]
#28387536 - 07/06/23 07:00 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Ice9 said: You claimed it was fine for Turkey to suppress individuals on twitter, or really any speech, as long as that speech is illegal.
No, I did not claim it was fine - wrong AGAIN. 
I claimed that Twitter was following local law, as all social media companies do that don't want to get censored in those countries.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Ice9]
#28387541 - 07/06/23 07:03 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: right to free speech, that is an individual civil liberty.
This is completely wrong
Please do explain how I am wrong?
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb]
#28387543 - 07/06/23 07:04 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: well you are wrong... all parties have the freedoms... and the rights...
and the reason you cant wrap your head around it is because you have a side and i dont.
That is not a proof that I am wrong. Please do explain how i am wrong specifically?
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387547 - 07/06/23 07:06 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Go back and read your posts. You expressed support for Twitter not even attempting to fight against that law, despite Twitter's previously successful challenges to Turkey's requests for censorship, and supported the law itself.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28387550 - 07/06/23 07:08 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said:
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Ice9 said:
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Sugabearcrisp said: right to free speech, that is an individual civil liberty.
This is completely wrong
Please do explain how I am wrong?
Citizen's United
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#28387554 - 07/06/23 07:14 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: well you are wrong... all parties have the freedoms... and the rights...
and the reason you cant wrap your head around it is because you have a side and i dont.
That is not a proof that I am wrong. Please do explain how i am wrong specifically?
the supreme court has ruled that for example companies have the right to expression(citizens united). but beyond that they have ruled many times that the government represents the PEOPLE and as such they have freedoms as well. many of our laws limit the government, but none of them limit an administrations free speech in fact there are laws and rulings that protect the free speech of congress persons above and beyond that of a normal individual... and as such would surely apply to the executive branch.
more over the presidential bully pulpet as has been upheld and as is traditional is an example of executive branch free speech.
we do not limit speech in this country from anyone except in very specific cases and those have narrow scope. otherwise trump would have been in more trouble more frequently for lying more than any other president (possibly person) has.
biden has a fundimental right to say what he wants to whom he wants so long as it isnt an order. and if biden ordered something illegal in order for THAT to be problematic he would have to have the means of enforcement. neither was present in this case.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Ice9]
#28387557 - 07/06/23 07:17 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Ice9 said:
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Ice9 said:
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Sugabearcrisp said: right to free speech, that is an individual civil liberty.
This is completely wrong
Please do explain how I am wrong?
Citizen's United
14th amendment made unions and corporations equavelent to people, when I used the term individual it applied to corporations and unions.
Back to my point, which you took out of context freedom of speech is not a right of the state, but a constraint on the state. And by state I mean the government before you attempt some semantic b.s.
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