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federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration.
#28386598 - 07/06/23 12:53 AM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Judge Terry Doughty issued and injunction against the biden administration baring them from contacting social media outlets to urge them to take down lies and misinformation regarding covid and other issues covered under free speech.
i find this a bit ironic, that the judge wants to bar the biden administration from free speech to allow other groups to engage in free speech ...
personally i think it should be up to the media companies to sort out what content is allowed on their site, and everyone should have the right to weigh in and have an opinion about what that should be.
what a weird world we live in. not sure this order will pass the constitutionality test.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb] 1
#28387163 - 07/06/23 01:39 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: ...the judge wants to bar the biden administration from free speech to allow other groups to engage in free speech ...
I think you meant to say the judge wants to bar the biden administration from censorship to allow other groups to engage in free speech.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#28387169 - 07/06/23 01:43 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: ...the judge wants to bar the biden administration from free speech to allow other groups to engage in free speech ...
I think you meant to say the judge wants to bar the biden administration from censorship to allow other groups to engage in free speech. 
the judge wants to take away the free speech of the biden admin.
in order to grant free speech to LIARS...
now i dont care that they are lying they have a right to fool you. but the biden admin has the right to make their case against it, thats the point of free speech to foster debate when there are different views... everyone gets their turn to speak... even if when they speak it is to lie about vaccines.
now social media platforms dont have to allow free speech... they are a private company... but this judge has said BIDENS administration (not any president, but a specific president)... cant TALK to the social media platforms about specific topics at all.
its against the constitution.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb] 2
#28387179 - 07/06/23 01:55 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: in order to grant free speech to LIARS...
I think you missed the dozens of stories of government pushing disinformation. Over and over again.
- The Hunter Biden laptop being Russian disinformation, though the FBI already had the laptop in their posession. - The OPCW report scandal saying they DID find evidence of a chemical weapons attack in Douma, when the inspectors said they didn't - That you can't catch or spread COVID if you get vaccinated. - That the Ukraine war was completely unprovoked, while ignoring history before 2022. - ...and so on...
Perhaps you love your daily dose of Government disinformation, but I'm not such a fan.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387194 - 07/06/23 02:12 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: in order to grant free speech to LIARS...
I think you missed the dozens of stories of government pushing disinformation. Over and over again.
- The Hunter Biden laptop being Russian disinformation, though the FBI already had the laptop in their posession. - The OPCW report scandal saying they DID find evidence of a chemical weapons attack in Douma, when the inspectors said they didn't - That you can't catch or spread COVID if you get vaccinated. - That the Ukraine war was completely unprovoked, while ignoring history before 2022. - ...and so on...
Perhaps you love your daily dose of Government disinformation, but I'm not such a fan.
im not going to argue any of those points as i dont actually care... thats beside the point of the conversation. i am perfectly willing to condemn the lying on both sides and fight for both sides right to lie.... without being silenced by the courts.
mind you im not conceding that your points are valid some of them are outright bullshit. but everyone has the right to say what they like, and you bringing up instances of other peoply lying...doesnt make it ok for a judge to silence people... first amendment gives both sides equal right to lie where not covered by law.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb] 1
#28387215 - 07/06/23 02:33 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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The ruling didn't ban anyone from posting to social media so that both sides of a discussion could be heard; it banned Government from contacting social media directly and asking them to censor content.
I'm against censorship attempts by the Government, you seem to support it.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb]
#28387224 - 07/06/23 02:41 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 believes the government should be able criminalize speech if the courts say it's intentionally fake. He's quite literally one of the few members here who openly supports state censorship. I think his only problem is that the gov't merely "urged" instead of sending a criminal summons.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'm not against differing opinions, but I'm against intentionally fake news.
How do you determine if something is "intentionally fake"? The same way you determine if someone committed any other crime - through the court system. Is the court system 100% perfect? No. Do I think 7 years was the appropriate penalty? No, I think 7 years is too much for fake news.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387227 - 07/06/23 02:43 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The ruling didn't ban anyone from posting to social media so that both sides of a discussion could be heard; it banned Government from contacting social media directly and asking them to censor content.
I'm against censorship attempts by the Government, you seem to support it. 
that is censorship. if a judge says rxb, you cant talk to FW about mushrooms.
that is censorship...by the government.
which you just claimed to be against.
now biden calling facebook and saying "i dont think you should let RXB post about mushrooms"
is not censorship.
if facebook complies, its censorship, from facebook, not from the government.
if biden wrote a presidential edict stating that rxb cant talk about mushrooms on fb, or that fb had to stop rxb from posting about mushrooms... THAT would be government censorship... and that hasnt happened and isnt what the judge blocked.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb]
#28387253 - 07/06/23 03:02 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Falcon91Wolvrn03 believes the government should be able criminalize speech if the courts say it's intentionally fake. He's quite literally one of the few members here who openly supports state censorship.
No, I didn't say I think the government should be able to criminalize speech if the courts say it's intentionally fake. I said I'm against intentionally fake news by news agencies, and Russia chose to criminalize intentionally fake news, which could be determined by their court system.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387264 - 07/06/23 03:09 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Falcon91Wolvrn03 believes the government should be able criminalize speech if the courts say it's intentionally fake. He's quite literally one of the few members here who openly supports state censorship.
No, I didn't say I think the government should be able to criminalize speech if the courts say it's intentionally fake. I said I'm against intentionally fake news by news agencies, and Russia chose to criminalize intentionally fake news, which could be determined by their court system.
you did say the government should be able to censor biden from expressing his views to social media outlets tho.
so you support government censorship, unless you have changed your position.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb] 1
#28387265 - 07/06/23 03:09 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: biden calling facebook and saying "i dont think you should let RXB post about mushrooms"
is not censorship.
if facebook complies, its censorship, from facebook, not from the government.
if biden wrote a presidential edict stating that rxb cant talk about mushrooms on fb, or that fb had to stop rxb from posting about mushrooms... THAT would be government censorship... and that hasnt happened and isnt what the judge blocked.
What you don't seem to understand is that social media companies admitted they complied with many government requests for censorship out of fear of reprisal. Jack Dorsey even admitted that censoring Donald Trump was "the right decision for the company, but the wrong decision for the world".
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb]
#28387270 - 07/06/23 03:11 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: you did say the government should be able to censor biden from expressing his views to social media outlets tho.
No. I said the government shouldn't be allowed to ask social media companies to censor content, as we have something called the First Amendment. I NEVER said biden shouldn't be allowed to express his own opinion on any topic on social media.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387275 - 07/06/23 03:16 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: biden calling facebook and saying "i dont think you should let RXB post about mushrooms"
is not censorship.
if facebook complies, its censorship, from facebook, not from the government.
if biden wrote a presidential edict stating that rxb cant talk about mushrooms on fb, or that fb had to stop rxb from posting about mushrooms... THAT would be government censorship... and that hasnt happened and isnt what the judge blocked.
What you don't seem to understand is that social media companies admitted they complied with many government requests for censorship out of fear of reprisal. Jack Dorsey even admitted that censoring Donald Trump was "the right decision for the company, but the wrong decision for the world".
right but you recognize that i can tell you, FW DONT YOU GO LYING ABOUT COVID VACCINES. and that may scare you into silence... but unless there somehow enforcement possible... its not censorship.
had biden said... jack dorsey if you dont censor trump there will be a fine!...
THEN its censorship. but making a request even an official one... isnt the same.
here is an example i see almost every day.
cop stops someone... they happen to be a cop watcher... cop says show me your id. copwatching person says... no... cop says " if you dont show me your ID i will take you to jail "... watcher says..i have a 4th ammendment right to not show you shit unless i have committed a crime...
the cop has made a REQUEST first to get ID... thats legal... the second move by the cop (threat of jail) is a violation of civil rights under color of law.
same shit... biden can request whatever the fuck he wants facebook doesnt have to comply... if biden then says if you dont comply we are going to fine you... the you have a completely different situation.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387278 - 07/06/23 03:17 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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rxb said: you did say the government should be able to censor biden from expressing his views to social media outlets tho.
No. I said the government shouldn't be allowed to ask social media companies to censor content, as we have something called the First Amendment. I NEVER said biden shouldn't be allowed to express his own opinion on any topic on social media.
biden is expressing his OWN opinion to the company. that is ALSO covered by the first amendment.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: rxb] 1
#28387303 - 07/06/23 03:40 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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So you support Government asking private companies to censor information, even if that information is correct?
Here's more Government disinformation debunked:
PENTAGON QUIETLY ADMITS US LIED ABOUT CHINESE ‘SPY’ BALLOONS
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387304 - 07/06/23 03:42 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So you support Government asking private companies to censor information, even if that information is correct?
Here's more Government disinformation debunked:
Pentagon Says Chinese Balloon Did Not Collect Data While Over US
the government can request anything of anyone so long as they dont order it.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28387319 - 07/06/23 03:53 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So you support Government asking private companies to censor information, even if that information is correct?
Here's more Government disinformation debunked:
PENTAGON QUIETLY ADMITS US LIED ABOUT CHINESE ‘SPY’ BALLOONS
What were the actual government disinformation quotes from January? That article just uses some quotes from the pentagon spokesperson updating on the balloon, and uses them to make some sort of insinuation about 'mainstream media" and what not. Kooky conspiracy article, not compelling argument for US government disinformation you seem to think it is. Makes you look a bit
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Ice9] 1
#28387327 - 07/06/23 03:59 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Rxb,
With respect falcon is absolutely correct on this count. The judges ruling was to prevent the government from further influence in what constitutes misinformation/what ought to be censored etc. there has been considerable reporting on this for months now.
It’s about preventing government censorship of free and or dissenting speech. Period.
because it’s speech you don’t like, it’s especially important to protect it. Something about a constitutional right to free speech, inherently uncensored by the powers of the day.
Quit freaking out. It’s absolutely right that this was done.
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Milleresque]
#28387332 - 07/06/23 04:06 PM (6 months, 19 days ago) |
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Well now, way it should be? Sounds like the judge has been brain washed and I guess we will see if the conservative appeals court slaps him down like they did cannon when she was way out there or if they let it stand. I am willing to wait. Cheers gww
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Re: federal judge pens an injunction against the biden administration. [Re: Milleresque]
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Milleresque said: Rxb,
With respect falcon is absolutely correct on this count. The judges ruling was to prevent the government from further influence in what constitutes misinformation/what ought to be censored etc. there has been considerable reporting on this for months now.
It’s about preventing government censorship of free and or dissenting speech. Period.
because it’s speech you don’t like, it’s especially important to protect it. Something about a constitutional right to free speech, inherently uncensored by the powers of the day.
Quit freaking out. It’s absolutely right that this was done.
you will find that this ruling gets over ruled if challenged. because its completely illegal to tell someone they cant do something which is not only legal but constitutionally protected.
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