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CaptainTrips420
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French asylums and experiments suspicion
#28384712 - 07/04/23 11:07 AM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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I was doing a lot of thinking about how doctors and psychologists can actually have mental illness themselves. I thought about One Who Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest a movie about mental hospitals and realized that they will always get mad if you dont comply with treatment and rules.
In Paris there is a underground graveyard for burying the dead called the Catacombs of Paris that was originally a mine for Lutetian limestone but was converted into a a graveyard in 1810. In the 1800s Mental hospitals were verry bad terrible places here is an image of a bed frame from around then used in the type of hospitals I imagine back then they would actually take the mattress from them if they misbehaved possibly even raped them on the bedframe it looks like wire wrap that was probably sharp would cut up your back as the guards/doctor had their way with you.
I imagine in the late 1700s to early 1800s being LGBT was unacceptable and considered severe mental illness (except for T because transgender was not a thing back then). Also drug addiction was and still is a reason to put someone in mental health treatment. I read a short story by Edgar Allan Poe called The Pit and the Pendulum its about the French punishing people.
In a mine you have a limited amount of oxygen because few plants can produce it that far down it might be possible they used moss to get air deep in mines, but I can't find solid evidence. I wonder if people who refused to not be Gay Lesbian or Bisexual wherever experimented on.
Perhaps they built a room and placed them down there together and gave them a few candles or an oil lamp they could have explained to them that when the light goes out so is the breathable air (school systems where not that great back then doubt fire=oxygen consumption was common knowledge people still grill indoors when it rains and die) and explained that increasing physical activity (sex) would use up more oxygen.
They would have been preaching these people the Bible and have told them they would go to hell for their sexuality. I imagine they would have used an explosive charge to seal the room and left them there for someone to discover later on (people been gay and lesbian long time Greeks where more accepting than later groups). It would be interesting to view the skeletons positions and you could tell if it was men or woman by the size of the hip bones even doctors back then would have known. I wonder if they did this multiple times?
How many would have had an orgy and how many would have just sat there holding hands or maybe singing songs or talking. I wonder what their last words would have been perhaps they all said they loved each other. Sad to think about makes me cry a little Not all the catacombs have been explored and I wonder if the French government would even admit to something that sad. Just goes to show peoples prejudices can sometimes be considered the right thing when in reality its mental illness.
Edited by CaptainTrips420 (07/04/23 11:30 AM)
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jack_straw2208
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Re: French asylums and experiments suspicion [Re: CaptainTrips420]
#28384827 - 07/04/23 12:56 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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Heavy stuff man! I think there have always been transexuals. There's also always been various groups of people wrongly persecuted.
I think it's less about morals and more about power. What outsider group can we blame all our flaws on so that we may continue with business as usual?
Why would a police force ever need an APC? Why are we testing million dollar bombs every day when there are people in the world without food or clean drinking water?
Why is it that when any group comes into power, they seem to quickly devolve into the last regime?
A lot of what I've read about this tends to say that the only true type of power is self control.
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Re: French asylums and experiments suspicion [Re: CaptainTrips420]
#28384828 - 07/04/23 12:57 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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I wish I did not read any of that
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Re: French asylums and experiments suspicion [Re: redgreenvines]
#28384840 - 07/04/23 01:09 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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You have infinite wishes, this dude is a glimpse into the heart of North America, we may be looking at another Gord Downie here!
I think Trips has a good heart and I enjoy his stream of consciousness rants. Seems like he's going thru some crunchy times but I think he'll shake it off before too long.
Maybe I'm only seeing what I want to see, but I think the dude is made of love and smart in ways that are lost on a lot of the fast-talkers here.
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Re: French asylums and experiments suspicion [Re: jack_straw2208]
#28384867 - 07/04/23 01:38 PM (6 months, 22 days ago) |
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good dude good thread too i just wish i missed it because now i got a bare spring primitive rape the sad ones image
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Re: French asylums and experiments suspicion [Re: redgreenvines]
#28385532 - 07/05/23 12:56 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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Man I already seen butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, why would I wanna go and watch it again?
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Re: French asylums and experiments suspicion [Re: CaptainTrips420] 3
#28385696 - 07/05/23 07:31 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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Mental health has a problematic history, lobotomies, electroshock, isolation, etc. and like other positions of authority (priests, politicians, police, etc) and power, there will be abuse.
I'm not saying worse stuff didn't happen but burying people alive is dark... 
Even today the mental health industry is problematic. SSRIs aren't as effective as they were promised to be. A large Swedish study recently failed to find the correlation between depression and low serotonin. It seems to me based on anecdotal evidence that SSRIs don't cure depression they just numb a person to it. And there are pitfalls that haven't been properly explored like PSSD.
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