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Adding plant nutrients to your substrate?
#28383933 - 07/03/23 04:43 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I know people use Gypsum for the calcium and ph, but as far as plants go it's very insoluble on its own for plant uptake. I'm wondering if it's the same story with mushrooms and how an ionized plant soluble cal/mag supplement would fair instead of just raw gypsum.
As well as maybe micro dosing nitrogen nutes into the sub. Anyone ever experimented with this?
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] 1
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It may technically be beneficial, I just don't see the point when people get full canopies on any grain and coir only. I've never had the need for gypsum. Improving your fruiting conditions is way more rewarding than minmaxing your nutrients.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: CorteX_]
#28383948 - 07/03/23 04:54 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe the reason people don't notice a difference with gypsum is because its not soluble. I think calcium is important to mushrooms cell walls.
I mean the difference in yields with supplemented subs or manure versus just coir is pretty dramatic.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] 1
#28383968 - 07/03/23 05:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Grain already has way more nutrients than the myc will actually use. That's why we just keep going higher and higher on the spawn to sub ratios. People are doing 1:6 and shit.
But, give it a try and let us know
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I'm sure, no other fungi will take advantage of the free buffet
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: SirPsycho]
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I know that calcium plays a huge role in protecting cannabis from molds like PM and other pathogens because it strengthens the cell wall and give more structure to vascular system of the plant which allows nutrients to flow more freely through its system. I was just curious if its the same with mushrooms mycelium.
It seems to be the general consensus that people add gypsum but most don't notice anything different with it. Maybe there is something like gypsum that could be more available to the mushrooms.
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#28383989 - 07/03/23 05:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Glomus said: I know that calcium plays a huge role in protecting cannabis from molds like PM and other pathogens because it strengthens the cell wall and give more structure to vascular system of the plant which allows nutrients to flow more freely through its system. I was just curious if its the same with mushrooms mycelium.
It seems to be the general consensus that people add gypsum but most don't notice anything different with it. Maybe there is something like gypsum that could be more available to the mushrooms.
Yes, I'm sure it will protect the weed from the cubensis fungus just as well as any other fungus.
And no, that was the concensus 10 years ago. Now a lot of people don't even use verm, just coir
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Gypsum was initially used as an amendment to straw substrate to keep it from getting greasy (The Mushroom Cultivator, Stamets). Itβs really not doing anything for coir substrate and as shown by the myriad grows without it that itβs not really adding any noticeable benefit to the cultivation of cubes.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Mycolorado]
#28384092 - 07/03/23 06:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Violet used to do this. but like many of her techniques, it was always seen as controversial:
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Growers can choose to experiment with treating grain substrates with NPK fertilized water and given a two stage heat treatment pre-fermentation process. Thermophilic "composting" bacteria are known to convert ammoniacal compounds, the likes of urea etc., and perhaps other nitrogen- and phosphorous-containing elements in blood meal, bone meal, and NPK fertilizers into proteins and other forms that mycelium can use. In theory this can benefit mycelium by enriching the spectrum of available materials for metabolysis, potentially leading isolate cultures shown to have strong potency to produce the strongest fruits they're capable of. This requires a grain preparation method to make use of this - do not simply add NPK fertilizers to substrates and use like that.
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18991111
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Glomus said: I mean the difference in yields with supplemented subs or manure versus just coir is pretty dramatic.
is it, though?? most people here are growing cubes on straight coir & getting super dense pin sets with wall to wall flushes, assuming FC of the sub, genetics, & conditions are correct idk how you could even get better yields. if youβve got sources/threads for this claim iβd love to see em
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I think it's pretty obvious (if you study the historical evolution of cultivation teks/practices in the shroomery) that there is a distinct push (or just a natural evolution) towards streamlining and making the entire process as lean as possible. Things and practices are being removed as the years go by and the process is maturing towards as close as 100% efficient.
Trying to argue for the reintroduction of old things, or adding new things is going to be met with more resistance that arguing for the removal of something from the existing process.
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absolutely dude, that's the cool thing about this site. it's all about making shit as easy, accessible, & cheap as possible. it's always great to challenge things & we should be open to paradigm shifts but we need to build it off the evidence of the past & the work of all those before us. we still have a very far way to go in our understanding of any of this, but we've reached a really solid point because of all the trial & error. no reason to keep repeating useless things when we know better. so if something is going to change the game, you better fuckin prove it
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: hazyhorse]
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Well on the point of where the evolution of psilocybin cultivation is headed. I just talked to this guy at a grow shop who works in a lab that is synthesizing psilocybin and psilocin. Apparently it isn't very hard to do. So I'd imagine that evolution to the most simple and efficient "way" is probably gonna be that when psilocybin gets used for therapeutic purposes. Honestly I think that is probably the safest way then growing mushrooms in contaminated monotubs.
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Glomus said: Honestly I think that is probably the safest way then growing mushrooms in contaminated monotubs.
Maybe just improve your sterile technique
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i can see medical settings utilizing an extracted/synthesized form of psilocybin for sake of consistent dosage, but safer than contaminated monotubs? ideally you won't have contaminated monotubs, & even still, minor contams generally aren't going to be "dangerous," it's really no more dangerous than eating a mushroom you'd buy at a store. people have been harvesting wild mushrooms for centuries, & cultivating them for quite awhile as well. consuming the fruits is incredibly natural, it's really not anything dangerous
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There is a reason medicinal psilocybin mushroom cultivation in Oregon has forbid the use of manure as a substrate.
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Glomus said: There is a reason medicinal psilocybin mushroom cultivation in Oregon has forbid the use of manure as a substrate.
Good thing we don't use manure or grow Agaricus bisporus.
I'll be waiting on the edge of my seat for your thread about electrocuting substrates once you find that one paper about enoki
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Glomus said: There is a reason medicinal psilocybin mushroom cultivation in Oregon has forbid the use of manure as a substrate.
thatβs fine, itβs a reasonable safety standard for a product being sold to consumers. you canβt send out a bunch of lettuce with e. coli either
that article seems to be on oysters if my recognition of the species name is correct? im pretty sure supplementing spawn is a well known thing in cultivating those & other gourmets. every species of mushroom has incredibly variable needs & conditions depending on how they evolved, just like plants or animals do. completely different ball game
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Are you the ambassador of the shroomery? You speak for all shroomers do you? lol
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Yeah dude, check the sig.
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Just an observation, but many of your posts seem to lean towards over complicating the cultivation process. If youre able to prove that these over complications actually show any tangible improvement in cultivation, it may be valid, atm its either mere speculation or at times misinformation.
Mushrooms are very different to plants, theyre more similar to us than they are with plants. Feel free to experiment though!
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I mean there just isn't a gold standard practice or substantial research for massive psilocybin grow operations and it seems that it can now be synthesized in a lab easily, so I guess whatever you could supplement an inert substrate with for ideal nutrition with cubes is irrelevant.
Sir psycho my next thread will be "synthesizing psilocybin", I decided to skip the electrocuting substrate part and actually the entire fungus part. Lol
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22861379
I'm just gonna leave this here for anyone that wants to read it. Thanks Pasty
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Glomus said: I mean there just isn't a gold standard practice or substantial research for massive psilocybin grow operations and it seems that it can now be synthesized in a lab easily, so I guess whatever you could supplement an inert substrate with for ideal nutrition with cubes is irrelevant.
Sir psycho my next thread will be "synthesizing psilocybin", I decided to skip the electrocuting substrate part and actually the entire fungus part. Lol
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Just asking questions to some that have more experience than me, I have an intellectual curiosity about things. It's ok to say that you don't know the answer to a question, you don't need to tell me im over complicating things I just like to know why certain things are the way they are. I don't expect to find many here that have a true comprehension of the actual biology of fungus, maybe a few.
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We know the answers to your questions, you just don't like the answers.
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Glomus said: Just asking questions to some that have more experience than me, I have an intellectual curiosity about things. It's ok to say that you don't know the answer to a question, you don't need to tell me im over complicating things I just like to know why certain things are the way they are. I don't expect to find many here that have a true comprehension of the actual biology of fungus, maybe a few.
Lol except your are objectively over complicating things. Its not an opinion. We know the answer. Gypsum has no place in cultivation, grains have more than enough nutrients for cubes, in fact they are over nutritious.
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That wasn't what I was asking nor anything i'm in disagreement with. I was just talking about bioavailability. Both your general tone seems to be confrontational and unhelpful in general. I think the best answer to my question was posted by bongoman and the link to the thread that Violet created.
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Yeah, you're right. That's why in the 10 years since she's posted that, everyone has adopted it... Wait, no nvm.
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I'm wondering if it's the same story with mushrooms and how an ionized plant soluble cal/mag supplement would fair instead of just raw gypsum.
As well as maybe micro dosing nitrogen nutes into the sub. Anyone ever experimented with this?
Oh im sorry, you werent talking about supplementing your substrate with arbitrary additive nutrients?
Apologies if I appear confrontational, just quick to shut down things that I think muddy up the water.
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Not exactly, but the pre-fermenting of the grain is something I've heard more about and has some recent research about. Some Bacterias are producing certain peptides and proteins that the mycelium benefits from even after the bacteria has been sterilized the compounds remain when bacterias are allowed to ferment in jars. This is something I am currently experimenting with and will post my results. I have 3 seperate groups of jars.
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No need to apologize I've dealt with many trolls before.
It was just an honest and fair question.
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Glomus said: No need to apologize I've dealt with many trolls before.
It was just an honest and fair question.
Thank you for inspiring another rule in my cultivation rulebook :P
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Some people think they are so cool because they figured out how to grow an illegal fungus. I don't even really grow cubes anymore, but I can tell by your pics your flushes look basic af.
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Glomus said: Some people think they are so cool because they figured out how to grow an illegal fungus. I don't even really grow cubes anymore, but I can tell by your pics your flushes look basic af.
Considering i started growing maybe 3 months back. Id say im doing okay. Never said i was a pro. No need to go down the path of insults my friend, ill stand by my weak flushes, im still learning.
You do know that youre posting on a forum about growing actives right?
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Sorry man, just felt like kind of attacked unfairly and tactlessly I might add. I guess we should probably flush this thread down the toilet. It probably reads pretty stupidly.
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Glomus said: Some people think they are so cool because they figured out how to grow an illegal fungus. I don't even really grow cubes anymore, but I can tell by your pics your flushes look basic af.
At least they have pictures. You haven't shown anything and your comments, like restricting FAE for "colonization conditions" and comparing mushroom mycelium to plant roots as opposed the mold you also mentioned in the very same comment as the roots show a lack of understanding that suggests you haven't grown anything.
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We sure this guy ainβt a troll? Starting to read pretty trolly to me.
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Something something maliciousness something something incompetence
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Oh right I forgot someone posted that before. Anyways favorite color crayon to snack on while browsing the Shroomery?
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Screwup said: Oh right I forgot someone posted that before. Anyways favorite color crayon to snack on while browsing the Shroomery?
Purple... Does my name and sig not make that obvious?
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Color of royalty. And my dick when i squeeze it too hard.
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Screwup said: Oh right I forgot someone posted that before. Anyways favorite color crayon to snack on while browsing the Shroomery?
Purple... Does my name and sig not make that obvious?
K I mean thereβs definitely blue on the right side of your name too π€.
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Pandaskis said: Color of royalty. And my dick when i squeeze it too hard.
Fuckin KEK
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Screwup said: Oh right I forgot someone posted that before. Anyways favorite color crayon to snack on while browsing the Shroomery?
Purple... Does my name and sig not make that obvious?
K I mean thereβs definitely blue on the right side of your name too π€.
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Fuckin KEK
Right cause I like bluer purples as opposed to redder purples
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] 4
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I authored the following thread for occasions such as these:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28106983
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Glomus said: Not exactly, but the pre-fermenting of the grain is something I've heard more about and has some recent research about. Some Bacterias are producing certain peptides and proteins that the mycelium benefits from even after the bacteria has been sterilized the compounds remain when bacterias are allowed to ferment in jars. This is something I am currently experimenting with and will post my results. I have 3 seperate groups of jars.
Fementation kills vegetative bacteria which in turn produces BLIS compounds which are toxic to mycelium.
Here, read this reply:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27777884#27777884
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Stipe-n Cap said: I authored the following thread for occasions such as these:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28106983
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Glomus said: Not exactly, but the pre-fermenting of the grain is something I've heard more about and has some recent research about. Some Bacterias are producing certain peptides and proteins that the mycelium benefits from even after the bacteria has been sterilized the compounds remain when bacterias are allowed to ferment in jars. This is something I am currently experimenting with and will post my results. I have 3 seperate groups of jars.
Fementation kills vegetative bacteria which in turn produces BLIS compounds which are toxic to mycelium.
Here, read this reply:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27777884#27777884
Man, Hindsight is a gem
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Yeah, that was an excellent post.
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Thank you for actually posting something useful and helpful. So it seems bacteria for the most part is a hindrance and a competitor to mycelium but maybe with a few exceptions of MGPBs, but that seems to be not yet totally understood.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus]
#28385165 - 07/04/23 04:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, the beneficial bacteria subject has not been approached by the clandestine active mushroom community.
Not something that's within the reach of the hobby grower. The pursuit of that subject would require actual lab technicians, etc.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: SirPsycho]
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I have probably grown way more mushrooms then you have but really don't see a need to self incriminate myself on the internet needlessly to impress random people. It's really not that hard, like at all. I see that your very proud of your quart jar grows there. Your skills are so intimidating.
You want to contribute something meanful please do and I will be civil with you, you want someone to harass on the internet cuz your life may not be going so well, I'll dish it right back.
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Glomus said: I have probably grown way more mushrooms then you have but really don't see a need to self incriminate myself on the internet needlessly to impress random people. It's really not that hard, like at all. I see that your very proud of your quart jar grows there. Your skills are so intimidating.
You want to contribute something meanful please do and I will be civil with you, you want someone to harass on the internet cuz your life may not be going so well, I'll dish it right back.
Make up your mind dude, you got shit planned or you don't want to incriminate yourself?
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus]
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This site has certainly has gone down hill. I donβt even know why I keep coming around here anymore. All the cool people have left. Maybe I need to take their que on that.
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Glomus said: I see that your very proud of your quart jar grows there. Your skills are so intimidating.
lmfao bro come on
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Plenty of cool to go around, so long as you're not easily offended by grown men who use pointed dry humor; or know enough about their trade to convey an air of self-assuredness.
If you can't handle that then you should definitely reconsider your interest in criminal drug cultivation.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Dude donβt tell me whatβs going on with or without growing actives. Jesus Christ. Move the fuck on. I donβt give 2 fucks what you have to say. You been here a few more days then me. Go back to YouTube and make vids besides telling me how cool you are.
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Okie dokie. Guess we're even then.
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I guess if thatβs what dickheads think then Iβm not gonna stop you am I right Eh? Am I right eh!
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Ooh cmon now I thought we were friends? I guess if a noobs gonna cry Iβll let them.
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Screwup said: Oh right I forgot someone posted that before. Anyways favorite color crayon to snack on while browsing the Shroomery?
Purple... Does my name and sig not make that obvious?
Not sure if Iβm scared, offended, or turned on by this π€
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YeahQuote:
aPurpleCray0n said:
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SirPsycho said:
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Screwup said: Oh right I forgot someone posted that before. Anyways favorite color crayon to snack on while browsing the Shroomery?
Purple... Does my name and sig not make that obvious?
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: SirPsycho]
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It never will be for me young lad. Donβt worry tho- one day youβll grow up and you too will also be old.
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we glitch-in-the-matrixβd back to 2013 shroomery for a sec
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#28385386 - 07/04/23 08:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Where on earth do these people come from with all of this utter bullshit? And why don't they go back there?
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: johnukguy]
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I think some people on this forum have some deep seeded psychological issues that I donβt think even psilocybin can fix, might be making it worse. Lol
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Shall we add psychiatrist to your list of supposed skills?
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Can we make an attempt at preventing every single thread from devolving into childish ad hominem attacks?
These threads read like a bunch of 13 yo boy's slap fighting over who's the biggest nerd. I'm just as much to blame for subject matter arguments, but at least keep the nerdery on topic, ffs 
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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You think it would be fair to assume that Natural Korean farming is kind of whacky with their fermented compost soup fertilizers. With that post about BLIS, seems like that would just disrupt the soil microbe ecosystem more than anything, including beneficial mycelium?
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus]
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Lol, yes arm chair mycologist and psilocybin therapy practitioner.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] 2
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For focking hell's sake. That topic again? ?
Glomus: learn to grow some shrooms. Use known teks before trying to change the world. Salvador Dali learned to draw the human form before becoming what he's known for.
All of this is disproven a decade or more ago. Look at the bottom of the page at "Similar Threads", it's 25 years of the same shit being debunked.
Grow on PCed grain. It's the best thing to use, it's easy to get, not complicated, and everyone does it. Looks in your gallery like you've already started.
Fertilizer / extra nitrogen will just increase contams.
Gypsum is old useless and not needed tek, something like 1 in 10 good growers still uses it, I did a poll: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26954400/fpart/all/vc/1
Coffee changes pH to increase contams.
Posting links to commercial edible shroom grow teks is like, as someone said, "is like saying you need to uses antibiotics on the 4 chickens in your garden because Kentucky Fried Chicken does it on their chicken farms."
And those are different teks, growing on straw, etc.
And before you suggest it, adding Melatonin or Tryptophan to a sub does not increase potency, I did tests: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28370482#28370482
(Though either of those might be a good starting point for lab synthesis of psilocybin by someone who knows that world.)
Read my sigline "NEW? Start here." Read all of that thread, then grow some shrooms.
Grow a quarter pound of mind-melting shrooms on a dollar's worth of grain and nothing else, then see how interested you are in adding rose gardening crap to your grow.
welcome.
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nektar61 said: For focking hell's sake. That topic again? ?
Glomus: learn to grow some shrooms. Use known teks before trying to change the world. Salvador Dali learned to draw the human form before becoming what he's known for.
All of this is disproven a decade or more ago. Look at the bottom of the page at "Similar Threads", it's 25 years of the same shit being debunked.
Grow on PCed grain. It's the best thing to use, it's easy to get, not complicated, and everyone does it. Looks in your gallery like you've already started.
Fertilizer / extra nitrogen will just increase contams.
Gypsum is old useless and not needed tek, something like 1 in 10 good growers still uses it, I did a poll: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26954400/fpart/all/vc/1
Coffee changes pH to increase contams.
Posting links to commercial edible shroom grow teks is like, as someone said, "is like saying you need to uses antibiotics on the 4 chickens in your garden because Kentucky Fried Chicken does it on their chicken farms."
And those are different teks, growing on straw, etc.
And before you suggest it, adding Melatonin or Tryptophan to a sub does not increase potency, I did tests: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28370482#28370482
(Though either of those might be a good starting point for lab synthesis of psilocybin by someone who knows that world.)
Read my sigline "NEW? Start here." Read all of that thread, then grow some shrooms.
Grow a quarter pound of mind-melting shrooms on a dollar's worth of grain and nothing else, then see how interested you are in adding rose gardening crap to your grow.
welcome.
Didnt you read Nektar? He aint new, according to him, i got weak flushes, and SirP only grows in his unintimidating shitty quart containers. Clearly he is a seasoned pro who doesnt need to read "NEW? start here"
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Pandaskis said: Didnt you read Nektar? He aint new, according to him, i got weak flushes, and SirP only grows in his unintimidating shitty quart containers. Clearly he is a seasoned pro who doesnt need to read "NEW? start here"
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: nektar61] 1
#28387753 - 07/06/23 09:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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nektar61 said: Grow a quarter pound of mind-melting shrooms on a dollar's worth of grain and nothing else, then see how interested you are in adding rose gardening crap to your grow.
welcome.
Hey, these hijack here. Can you tell me about growing in just grains? If you mean grains and coire I get it. If it's just grains I'd love to hear more.
I know this doesn't belong here because I'm trying to learn from people who know more than me.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Ditchdude]
#28387765 - 07/06/23 09:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Ditchdude said: Hey, these hijack here. Can you tell me about growing in just grains? If you mean grains and coire I get it. If it's just grains I'd love to hear more.
Hijack away. You're asking about actually growing, which makes more sense than the OP's posts here.
"Grains, coir, and verm" is what I mean by "just grains." The others are a given.
I mean "Grains, coir, and verm" as opposed to "Grains, coir, and verm, and gypsum, coffee, calcium, PlantGro fertilizer, blood meal, bone meal, worm casings, and fish oil." ...all the other things I've seen noobs suggest to fortify a shoom grow (before they've done a good shroom grow)
Though Bod does grow crazy good shrooms with just grains and coir, no verm. A few people do that here. I never bothered because I don't want to mess with other than what works.
I'm not here to change the shroom world, I'm here to grow shrooms and help others learn to grow shrooms. Anyone who wants to change the shroom world should get good at growing shrooms before suggesting new ways and telling people they're wrong when experienced growers disagree, like the OP who hasn't grown shrooms.
Coir and verm don't have much nutrition, my understanding is they're mostly about water regulation and/or air pockets.
I don't analyze them, I just use them and get good results.
I bet you could grow shrooms on just grain though. They grow in the wild on cow shit and horse shit, and those are just grain with some of the nutrients removed by the animal during digestion.
I know that if you have spawn on grain in a jar, and leave it a couple weeks past when you should tub it, you'll get pins. So that is shrooms growing on just grain.
When noobs on Reddit who don't want to work at it and want to grow a few anemic shrooms inject an Uncle Ben's bag, that's growing shrooms on just grain (and probably some preservatives.)
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Ditchdude said: I'm trying to learn from people who know more than me.
Read my sigline post: NEW? Start here.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: nektar61] 1
#28387869 - 07/07/23 02:33 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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nektar61 said: as someone said, "is like saying you need to uses antibiotics on the 4 chickens in your garden because Kentucky Fried Chicken does it on their chicken farms."
You see Mom, I told you I'd be famous one day.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: altford78] 1
#28387908 - 07/07/23 04:08 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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altford78 said:
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nektar61 said: as someone said, "is like saying you need to uses antibiotics on the 4 chickens in your garden because Kentucky Fried Chicken does it on their chicken farms."
You see Mom, I told you I'd be famous one day. 
Ah yeah, that was you. thanks!
Since I do not mind hijacking this thread at all, what is going on in your avatar pic? I've been wondering but didn't want to hijack other threads to ask.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: nektar61] 1
#28387947 - 07/07/23 04:54 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Oh boy. That's my abusive gf. She keeps beating the shit out of me and raping me every night, then wants to snuggle in the morning. I keep throwing her shit out but she keeps coming back promising me cuddles and bjs.
It's pin mold. Funny thing, that was my first ever legit satellite contam on a petri dish. Never saw it again on agar, but it always pops up in my grows sooner or later.
Maybe it's time to change that fucking avatar, I think I'm summoning it every time I post.
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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: altford78] 1
#28388183 - 07/07/23 09:18 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I read this entire thread...LOL.. was almost like a Melrose Place flashback hahaha.
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