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Adding plant nutrients to your substrate?
    #28383933 - 07/03/23 04:43 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I know people use Gypsum for the calcium and ph, but as far as plants go it's very insoluble on its own for plant uptake. I'm wondering if it's the same story with mushrooms and how an ionized plant soluble cal/mag supplement would fair instead of just raw gypsum.

As well as maybe micro dosing nitrogen nutes into the sub. Anyone ever experimented with this?

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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] * 1
    #28383940 - 07/03/23 04:50 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

It may technically be beneficial, I just don't see the point when people get full canopies on any grain and coir only. I've never had the need for gypsum. Improving your fruiting conditions is way more rewarding than minmaxing your nutrients.

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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: CorteX_]
    #28383948 - 07/03/23 04:54 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Maybe the reason people don't notice a difference with gypsum is because its not soluble. I think calcium is important to mushrooms cell walls.

I mean the difference in yields with supplemented subs or manure versus just coir is pretty dramatic.

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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] * 1
    #28383968 - 07/03/23 05:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Grain already has way more nutrients than the myc will actually use. That's why we just keep going higher and higher on the spawn to sub ratios. People are doing 1:6 and shit.

But, give it a try and let us know


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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: SirPsycho] * 1
    #28383970 - 07/03/23 05:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I'm sure, no other fungi will take advantage of the free buffet


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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28383981 - 07/03/23 05:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I know that calcium plays a huge role in protecting cannabis from molds like PM and other pathogens because it strengthens the cell wall and give more structure to vascular system of the plant which allows nutrients to flow more freely through its system. I was just curious if its the same with mushrooms mycelium.

It seems to be the general consensus that people add gypsum but most don't notice anything different with it. Maybe there is something like gypsum that could be more available to the mushrooms.

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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] * 1
    #28383989 - 07/03/23 05:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I know that calcium plays a huge role in protecting cannabis from molds like PM and other pathogens because it strengthens the cell wall and give more structure to vascular system of the plant which allows nutrients to flow more freely through its system. I was just curious if its the same with mushrooms mycelium.

It seems to be the general consensus that people add gypsum but most don't notice anything different with it. Maybe there is something like gypsum that could be more available to the mushrooms.



Yes, I'm sure it will protect the weed from the cubensis fungus just as well as any other fungus.

And no, that was the concensus 10 years ago. Now a lot of people don't even use verm, just coir


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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] * 3
    #28383999 - 07/03/23 05:28 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Gypsum was initially used as an amendment to straw substrate to keep it from getting greasy (The Mushroom Cultivator, Stamets). It’s really not doing anything for coir substrate and as shown by the myriad grows without it that it’s not really adding any noticeable benefit to the cultivation of cubes.


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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Mycolorado]
    #28384092 - 07/03/23 06:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Violet used to do this. but like many of her techniques, it was always seen as controversial:


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Growers can choose to experiment with treating grain substrates with NPK fertilized water and given a two stage heat treatment pre-fermentation process.  Thermophilic "composting" bacteria are known to convert ammoniacal compounds, the likes of urea etc., and perhaps other nitrogen- and phosphorous-containing elements in blood meal, bone meal, and NPK fertilizers into proteins and other forms that mycelium can use.  In theory this can benefit mycelium by enriching the spectrum of available materials for metabolysis, potentially leading isolate cultures shown to have strong potency to produce the strongest fruits they're capable of.
This requires a grain preparation method to make use of this - do not simply add NPK fertilizers to substrates and use like that.




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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18991111

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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] * 5
    #28384097 - 07/03/23 07:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I mean the difference in yields with supplemented subs or manure versus just coir is pretty dramatic.




is it, though?? most people here are growing cubes on straight coir & getting super dense pin sets with wall to wall flushes, assuming FC of the sub, genetics, & conditions are correct idk how you could even get better yields. if you’ve got sources/threads for this claim i’d love to see em


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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: hazyhorse] * 3
    #28384374 - 07/04/23 03:37 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I think it's pretty obvious (if you study the historical evolution of cultivation teks/practices in the shroomery) that there is a distinct push (or just a natural evolution) towards streamlining and making the entire process as lean as possible. Things and practices are being removed as the years go by and the process is maturing towards as close as 100% efficient.

Trying to argue for the reintroduction of old things, or adding new things is going to be met with more resistance that arguing for the removal of something from the existing process.

Pretty fucking cool if you think about it.


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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: altford78] * 3
    #28384377 - 07/04/23 03:44 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

absolutely dude, that's the cool thing about this site. it's all about making shit as easy, accessible, & cheap as possible. it's always great to challenge things & we should be open to paradigm shifts but we need to build it off the evidence of the past & the work of all those before us. we still have a very far way to go in our understanding of any of this, but we've reached a really solid point because of all the trial & error. no reason to keep repeating useless things when we know better. so if something is going to change the game, you better fuckin prove it :lol:


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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28384394 - 07/04/23 04:13 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Well on the point of where the evolution of psilocybin cultivation is headed. I just talked to this guy at a grow shop who works in a lab that is synthesizing psilocybin and psilocin. Apparently it isn't very hard to do. So I'd imagine that evolution to the most simple and efficient "way" is probably gonna be that when psilocybin gets used for therapeutic purposes. Honestly I think that is probably the safest way then growing mushrooms in contaminated monotubs.

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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: Glomus] * 3
    #28384399 - 07/04/23 04:19 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Honestly I think that is probably the safest way then growing mushrooms in contaminated monotubs.



Maybe just improve your sterile technique


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    #28384404 - 07/04/23 04:21 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

i can see medical settings utilizing an extracted/synthesized form of psilocybin for sake of consistent dosage, but safer than contaminated monotubs? ideally you won't have contaminated monotubs, & even still, minor contams generally aren't going to be "dangerous," it's really no more dangerous than eating a mushroom you'd buy at a store. people have been harvesting wild mushrooms for centuries, & cultivating them for quite awhile as well. consuming the fruits is incredibly natural, it's really not anything dangerous


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Re: Adding plant nutrients to your substrate? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28384411 - 07/04/23 04:32 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

There is a reason medicinal psilocybin mushroom cultivation in Oregon has forbid the use of manure as a substrate.

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    #28384415 - 07/04/23 04:39 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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There is a reason medicinal psilocybin mushroom cultivation in Oregon has forbid the use of manure as a substrate.



Good thing we don't use manure or grow Agaricus bisporus.

I'll be waiting on the edge of my seat for your thread about electrocuting substrates once you find that one paper about enoki


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    #28384416 - 07/04/23 04:40 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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There is a reason medicinal psilocybin mushroom cultivation in Oregon has forbid the use of manure as a substrate.




that’s fine, it’s a reasonable safety standard for a product being sold to consumers. you can’t send out a bunch of lettuce with e. coli either

that article seems to be on oysters if my recognition of the species name is correct? im pretty sure supplementing spawn is a well known thing in cultivating those & other gourmets. every species of mushroom has incredibly variable needs & conditions depending on how they evolved, just like plants or animals do. completely different ball game


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    #28384418 - 07/04/23 04:45 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Are you the ambassador of the shroomery? You speak for all shroomers do you? lol

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