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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28392360 - 07/11/23 11:31 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Interesting.

I'm willing to take it at face value that this phenomenon is occuring as described, and that it's not some sort of trick laser or something.

I watched the first video, didn't make it through all the comments hah, apologies if this has been asked but...

How do we know its a "code"?

Like, is the symbology familiar? Decipherable? Literal numbers or?

In the video he said "I can read it" but he didn't share anything that he read. Could you extract any information from this code when you tried it?


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Svetaketu]
    #28392382 - 07/11/23 11:59 AM (6 months, 14 days ago)

I don't think he said he can read it? What time in the video does he say that?

The term "code" is probably a colloquial expression for the phenomena described. It's "code" in the sense that it appears to be an organized sequence of symbols, purposely injected into these spaces. It's not HTML or something like that.

Certain symbols resemble certain language/writing systems humans have used. Similar "code" has been referenced in hundreds of past trip reports. Others refer to it as symbols, language, glyphs, runes, "matrix code", "universal language", etc. In my opinion, it appears there are multiple different kinds of symbols trippers frequently report. The "code" the laser reveals is distinct from many of the more commonly reported, i.e., I personally don't think they resemble Mayan/Aztec tribal glyphs.

During my research of this phenomena, one recurring theme I've noticed is the tripper's understanding/belief that these symbols are conveying/carrying information. Many, many people report the feeling of familiarity with the symbols, as well as this perceived expectation of being able to "decode" or "understand" them (some involve entities trying to get them to understand them).

Many people use terminology indicating some sort of connection between their mind/brain and these symbols, such as "downloading" the information or "computing" the symbols into an understanding.

My 5g trip resulted in my entire vision being replaced with a grid of alien glyphs that were constantly shifting and mutating. I was being reprogrammed by some other intelligence. It was incredibly intense. - comment on reddit from 8 years ago

Other frequently used phrasing indicates a belief that the symbols seem to represent our "true reality" or at least play a significant role in its construction. It's very interesting. Here's a very recent report with people observing many of these experiences. I've also recently been hipped to P.K. Dick's VALIS experience, too. The similarities in his "delusions" and this discovery seem extremely close, although I've only read the plot summaries.

If you dig online, you can find specifics on exactly how the characters look and behave. For the sake of getting folks to try the experience without prior knowledge, I'm omitting any details like that in my posts. Dan, the man behind the discovery, is still in the process of putting together true, double-blind studies. I kindly request that should you happen to find specifics on the code, you also don't introduce them to the thread (even with spoiler tags). Thanks, pal.

Give the thread a skim sometime. It's probably decent bathroom reading material.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28392383 - 07/11/23 12:00 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Less convincing, more sending lasers.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Icon]
    #28392397 - 07/11/23 12:17 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Go fuck yourself. Build your own. I've typed out step-by-step instructions and linked every needed component on Amazon. My extra lasers are spoken for and the next few I build will go to those who aren't demanding I mail them free shit like their servant.


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    #28392408 - 07/11/23 12:28 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

He didn't really focus on it, he just mentioned it in passing around 26:33. Looks like a live recording of him using the laser and DMT, so I don't know how seriously he meant it.

I'll try to dig around a bit. I'm curious if these are similar-ish symbols that everyone is seeing, or if two people could draw their symbols and get the exact same sequence. IMO calling it a code is a bit overzealous, might turn off some serious scientists.

I think the simulation hypothesis is a bit of a stretch, but any repeatable psychedelic phenomenon is definitely worth a look.

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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28392410 - 07/11/23 12:31 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

The video was interesting but in the comments the guy admitted that there's "too much going on" with what people see, so it's impossible for people to write down what they actually see, and therefore impossible to validate if more people can see the same things within the experiment. Which totally goes against the scientific method IMO.

Sounds convincing, but based on this I think it's bogus.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28392422 - 07/11/23 12:42 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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In the video he said "I can read it" but he didn't share anything that he read. Could you extract any information from this code when you tried it


if it's what I think he is talking about then it is something you could decipher yes. Familiarizing yourself with cuneiform and Egyptian hieroglyphs and Greek alphabet is the fastest way to be able to do it 'intuitively'- the way the shapes of letters transformer over time is no accident, lasercode or not laser code....

Take a line and squiggles. See how many different ways you can arrange them. English alphabet is presently the most effective rapid/on-the-fly 'lossless information reallocator'.

I would guess most new symbols show up in the context of physics and math but it's interesting the note the recent explosion in neography, simply making up symbols for the heck of it.


He doesn't want to say what the code says because it would set anyone up for preconceived biases that would take away the weight of the evidence. I highly recommend nobody post any attempts at deciphering until more a lot independent verification has been done.

My suspicion is that it is mostly going to prove to be the sort of the thing that is a gimmick to know. In the same way that knowing the first 1,000 digits of pi is a gimmick. Knowing the first a million digits is a gimmick. And so forth. I could turn out to be wrong about that but.....

Why call it code?

Until the word is made flesh
You'd better ask Metatron


Those flowers that withered away
In the pages of your book
For one day
They won't block your route
In the dead plot
You dream in
Ten go away
Ten born of pray
Ten go away

Folding wormholes
My time is riding
In the alphabet
My time is
Writing on the wall





Amputechture came
Philistine praise
Bottomless pit of empty names
Incarcerated habits poured from the palms
Severing the breast
Dancing on his arms


Quote:

Glossolalia coats my skin
Glycerin and turbulence
Stuffed the voice inside of God
Mirrors to the animals
Glossolalia coats my skin
Glycerin and turbulence
Stuffed the voice inside of God
Mirrors to the animals
Then so long
Dear mnemonic
Assume the form you've given me
And I'll spill
Now hold on
Just hold my hand
Say that they made you but
You brought your own leash
Tell me no more, no
Tell me no more
No-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-ah
Outside
By the drift
You read my will
Of thread and itch
Failure to comply
As failure to decease
And still you won't know
Everything
I've built the fall




Quote:


I am the omega, pgLang, Rollie gang, SIE
Don't you address me unless it's with four letters




Quote:

I love when you count me out (wah, woo, wah, woo, wah)
My name is in your mouth, shoo, shoo




Quote:

Anytime I couldn't find God,
I still could find myself through a song




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Some things I can't forget
Lord knows, I've tried my best
You said it's not my best
I came up out my flesh
Some things I must confess (ayy, ayy) (and I'm trippin' and fallin')




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I am not for the faint of heart
My genetic build can build multi-universes, the man of God
Playin' "Baby Shark" with my daughter
Watchin' for sharks outside at the same time
Life as a protective father, I'd kill for her
My son Enoch is the part two
When I expire, my children'll make higher valleys
In this present moment, I saw that through




Quote:

ooh, uh
(Ooh, ooh, tee-vah) ooh, ha
(Ooh, ooh, tee-vah) ha, ha, ha
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yee
Enoch, your father's just detoxed, my callin' is right on time
Transformation, I must had a thousand lives and like three thousand wives
You should know that I'm slightly off, fightin' off demons that been outside
Better known as myself, I'm a demigod
Every thought is creative, sometimes I'm afraid of my open mind
Shit on my mind and it's heavy
Tell you in pieces 'cause it's way too heavy
My diamonds, the choker is heavy
More life to give on demand, are you ready?
Who keep 'em honest like us?
Who in alignment like us?
Who gotta heal 'em all? Us (Us)
When there's no one to call
Don't need no conversation (ooh, ooh, tee-vah)
If it ain't about the business, shut the door now (ooh, ooh, tee-vah)
Bitch', it's a celebration (ooh, ooh, tee-vah)
And if this shit ain't bussin', what's it for now? (Ooh, ooh, tee-vah)




I will leave you these. Sorry for the mess, I was ina hurry when I made them (a couple days before seeing this thread actually). They may have nothing to do with the phenomenon question but it would surprise me.




If you wanna call it code it's been staring you in face the entire time: ∿



I'm honestly not excited at all about the prospect of using DMT again though. Might try without it first. I have a feeling it may not be necessary


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Svetaketu]
    #28392423 - 07/11/23 12:44 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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He didn't really focus on it, he just mentioned it in passing around 26:33. Looks like a live recording of him using the laser and DMT, so I don't know how seriously he meant it.

I'll try to dig around a bit. I'm curious if these are similar-ish symbols that everyone is seeing, or if two people could draw their symbols and get the exact same sequence. IMO calling it a code is a bit overzealous, might turn off some serious scientists.

I think the simulation hypothesis is a bit of a stretch, but any repeatable psychedelic phenomenon is definitely worth a look.

Got it, no spoilers :strokebeard:



Go ahead and draw whatever symbols you know are already well documented. Go ahead and make up your own. For now please to not try sharing any representations of any new symbols you may see while attempting this. maps of old symbols are fine


I am not worried anything horrible would happen but it would ruin the fun. If anything it convinces me all the more to stick with a Buddhist or Taoist philosophy of behavior


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Svetaketu]
    #28392429 - 07/11/23 12:53 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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I'm curious if these are similar-ish symbols that everyone is seeing




Everyone sees the same kind of symbols within the laser. You can't guarantee you're ever seeing what anyone else is, obviously, but that goes for everything we see. But ignoring that kind of pedantry, yes, people are seeing the same symbols in the laser. Drawing the "same sequence" isn't possible since there's so much going on at once.

Imagine binary code scrolling past ultra-fast. Everyone would be able to confirm they're seeing the same kind of code by mentioning only 0's and 1's. But we can't read out and confirm a single sequence. Similarly, if you saw: "kjljkljkjkjljkjjjklkkjlljkjljk" scrolling past, you'd be able to confirm English letters of K, J, and L, but good luck confirming the same sequence. This doesn't invalidate its clear presence, though.

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He didn't really focus on it, he just mentioned it in passing around 26:33. Looks like a live recording of him using the laser and DMT, so I don't know how seriously he meant it.




He says, "So that information right there, that refraction, I can actually read the things in it. Whoa, 'read', that's a stretch."

He's not using the term "read" in a literal sense, hence the "that's a stretch" part of it.

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so it's impossible for people to write down what they actually see, and therefore impossible to validate if more people can see the same things within the experiment. Which totally goes against the scientific method IMO.




People can and have written down the symbols they see, but not a specific sequence of them because that part of the code isn't static. The current scientific method can't even get to this point because an altered state isn't considered reliable. This is what he's urging to be challenged or reconsidered. If that's not a possibility to the viewer, nothing in this experiment will register or matter to them.

Again, it is impossible to validate whether all of us are seeing the exact same thing ever. And that's in our sober, base reality. This is no different. Again, the binary code example would be enough to show we're all describing the same thing, no? A sequence that doesn't remain static long enough to verify a sequence of it doesn't invalidate the presence of it.

Regardless, the properties of the code are not something I've heard described anywhere else, either. The fact is, whatever the "code" may appear as to each individual, something is there. And it's definitely not the specks of light from the laser turning into the symbols.

And DMT is not required, it's just much, much easier. Mushrooms can reveal the code in the laser, too, but not as vividly.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28392435 - 07/11/23 01:01 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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And it's definitely not the specks of light from the laser turning into the symbols.



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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28392439 - 07/11/23 01:07 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Well in the beginning he said it's "as real as any physical object". But physical objects aren't constantly moving and shifting so.. :shrug:


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds] * 2
    #28392443 - 07/11/23 01:09 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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Regardless, the properties of the code are not something I've heard described anywhere else, either. The fact is, whatever the "code" may appear as to each individual, something is there. And it's definitely not the specks of light from the laser turning into the symbols.





I have no doubt that the phenomenon is real, but what makes you so certain that it isn't just specks of light interacting with your eyes and brain? Isn't that a possibility?


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    #28392444 - 07/11/23 01:09 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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Well in the beginning he said it's "as real as any physical object". But physical objects aren't constantly moving and shifting so.. :shrug:



They are if you believe in 'space' in the classical/relativity sense


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Svetaketu] * 2
    #28392466 - 07/11/23 01:34 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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Well in the beginning he said it's "as real as any physical object". But physical objects aren't constantly moving and shifting so.. :shrug:




If you flip the pages of a book, you're unlikely to recall any specifics. They're still real. But yes, they have unique properties that our "normal" objects don't. It's something you need to see for yourself, though.


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I have no doubt that the phenomenon is real, but what makes you so certain that it isn't just specks of light interacting with your eyes and brain? Isn't that a possibility?




I will concede that I'm not a scientist and this phenomena is definitely bigger than my paygrade. So don't take my certainty as some flex like I can't be proven wrong, haha. Technically everything I'm describing are specks of light interacting with my eyes/brain, obviously.

Hell, I couldn't scientifically explain the laser itself on any technical detail, sans weird DMT influence. It's light that's been amplified by a stimulated emission of radiation, of course (maybe they should come up with some sort of acronym to remember that easier). Regardless, I can't break down exactly how all of this is happening. Likewise, I'm not an expert on how we process visual stimuli, either. And I do consider this could be some sort of trickery we've yet to discover. I just don't think it fits.

Your brain will obviously generate visual irregularities in altered states (including sober states, such as sleep deprivation). With that being said, I'd expect to observe certain properties/behavior in the phenomena if the laser itself were responsible.

If the symbols/code are "generated" by your brain "transforming" the specks of light, what do you think would happen if you moved or tilted the laser? In this case, the symbols should move with it, correct? This is not observed in practice, though. Instead, they remain in place, but fade out once the laser moves from it. Simultaneously, though, new symbols are revealed where the laser projects into. It may be hard to imagine based on this description.

If you pointed a flashlight at your wall in the dark, you'd see a real object illuminated from the beam. If you slowly turn the flashlight, it'll equally reveal new objects while the previous fade out. This is how the laser is described as functioning with the code.

I will concede that I didn't play with the laser like this when I saw it, so I can't confirm myself. I did try and move it around for my friend, though, but I can't remember what he said when I did that. I actually think I might've only tried this initially when he noticed a specific property of the laser, but before he saw the code itself.

Cliff notes: the objects within the code behave independently from the specks of laser. It's like looking "through" the wall. Again, this is something you just kind of have to see for yourself to get.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds] * 1
    #28392484 - 07/11/23 01:49 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

but you know it's not code.
and this is not the matrix.
and there is no conspiracy.

just drugs and fooling around.


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    #28392495 - 07/11/23 01:57 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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Quote:

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Regardless, the properties of the code are not something I've heard described anywhere else, either. The fact is, whatever the "code" may appear as to each individual, something is there. And it's definitely not the specks of light from the laser turning into the symbols.





I have no doubt that the phenomenon is real, but what makes you so certain that it isn't just specks of light interacting with your eyes and brain? Isn't that a possibility?



HI-YES


H = proton
{
o = electron
}
N = neutron

G = Graviton
{
y = photon
}
^
v = weak force

You're talking about a correlation but I think you're implicitly assuming a directional arrow that is facing the only one way when it needs arrows pointing both ways


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28392499 - 07/11/23 01:58 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

greenfeldt,

I don't know that it's not code. I do know that people confidently explaining things they have no experience with aren't worth listening to, though. The other night you were also telling me women's breasts felt like bags of sand. The comment above is more of the same, I'm afraid.


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    #28392500 - 07/11/23 02:00 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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but you know it's not code.
and this is not the matrix.
and there is no conspiracy.

just drugs and fooling around.



Ah yes, its just fooling around with stuff life is made of. That's all.

Silly things and profound things are both cool. This will prove to be a gimmick imo like giving everyone a button that makes the same sequence of digits from an irrational pop into their mind if they press it at the same time. Neither will have a clue what the next digit without the transformer/formula. But who knows.... Most folks thought the same about any tech that transformed, the higher the amplitude the greater the doubt and seeming uselessness of


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    #28392513 - 07/11/23 02:09 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

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greenfeldt,

I don't know that it's not code. I do know that people confidently explaining things they have no experience with aren't worth listening to, though. The other night you were also telling me women's breasts felt like bags of sand. The comment above is more of the same, I'm afraid.



that was someone else, and I do not appreciate your messing with my name/monniker.

I would have to say that it indicates a bad schoolyard bully nature. you may yet have to forgive yourself.

BTW how is your friend's laser damaged eye?


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28392525 - 07/11/23 02:18 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

I get you, I can understand that intuitively, there seems to be more to it than just the light + drugs.

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If the symbols/code are "generated" by your brain "transforming" the specks of light, what do you think would happen if you moved or tilted the laser? In this case, the symbols should move with it, correct? This is not observed in practice, though. Instead, they remain in place, but fade out once the laser moves from it. Simultaneously, though, new symbols are revealed where the laser projects into. It may be hard to imagine based on this description.





I think I'm picturing this properly? I'm not an expert in any of these fields either, but the physics of light are pretty wacky. My first thought is that it could be some kind of dim background light scattering caused by the laser hitting the surface; that way wherever you point the laser, the scattering would be more or less the same until you moved to a different surface entirely.

More tests needed lol. I wonder if different surfaces with different reflectivity/scattering  could make the symbols more or less defined.


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