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So, besides the serial number, this light is a scientifically measurable color, at a specific level of power, and emits a steady beam.
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Re: DMT + Laser Pattern equals..... [Re: durian_2008]
#28553983 - 11/23/23 12:06 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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It is indeed a laser, yes.
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I'm sorry if it seems that I am splitting hairs, and you don't understand my motivations.
I intended to define experimental protocols based on the measurements rather than a part number or how we label those parts.
I am satisfied if my words communicate their intended meaning and have no intention whatsoever of playing the grammar nazi.
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Re: DMT + Laser Pattern equals..... [Re: durian_2008] 1
#28554036 - 11/23/23 01:17 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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I provided the model so you could look up the tech specs to scratch whatever itch you have with it. It's not a flickering or pulsating laser. It's just a 650nm 5mW laser with a diffracted grating to produce a cross beam.
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Re: DMT + Laser Pattern equals..... [Re: morrowasted] 1
#28606518 - 01/01/24 10:21 PM (26 days, 1 hour ago) |
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Here's a better list with more information in the descriptions:
1. 3D Depth Perception:
- Initially 2D laser pattern appears three-dimensional under DMT influence. - Creates an illusion of depth, as if viewing through a window into another space. - Unique because of the transformation from a flat image to a perceived 3D space, suggesting altered depth processing in the brain.
2. Shared Hallucinatory Experience:
- Multiple observers at once, even without prior knowledge, see the code and describe the same characters. - Suggests a shared perceptual experience rather than individual hallucinations. - Unique in its consistency among various individuals, indicating a common altered perception triggered by the laser and DMT.
3. Persistence and Enhancement Over Time:
- Once perceived, the 'code' becomes increasingly distinct and easier to see. - While the code is initially extremely small, symbols appear to grow larger and more prominent. Eventually, you can clearly see it from across the room, despite the laser remaining static.
4. Spatial Consistency and Parallax Effect:
- The 'code' displays fixed spatial coordinates, independent of the laser's movement. - Exhibits parallax effects, behaving like real, three-dimensional objects in space; nothing so far can cause them to move or disappear. - Unique due to the perceived physicality and depth, contrasting typical flat laser projections. - If you're eye-level with the beam and see an object deep in the other "space", standing up removes it from your perspective.
5. Universal Surface Projection:
- The 'code' can be projected and seen on any surface, including inanimate objects, plants, animals, and humans. - Indicates a universal property of the phenomenon, transcending different textures and materials; eliminates specific texture as causing effects.
6. Visibility Across Different Psychedelics:
- Visible not only under DMT but also with psychedelic mushrooms, though less distinctly.; not LSD alone or sober. - Suggests a similar visual processing alteration induced by specific class of psychedelics.
7. Enhanced Clarity through Optical Refraction:
- Clarity and definition of the 'code' increase when the laser is shone through a glass of water. - Implies that the optical properties of water enhance the visual phenomenon. - Not currently understood why, but something about the refractive index of water increases the definition of the code.
8. Wavelength-Specific Revelation:
- Different laser wavelengths reveal different aspects of the 'code' (e.g., green for digits, blue for characters, red for the full 'code'). - Indicates a wavelength-dependent aspect of the visual phenomenon. - Unique in its specificity to different light wavelengths, suggesting complex interactions between light properties and altered perception.
9. Static Perception in Dynamic Visual Field:
- Despite the movement of the laser, the 'code' remains stationary within its beam. - Suggests a dissociation between the perception of the 'code' and the physical movement of light. - Unique as it challenges the typical expectations of how light patterns should behave; eliminates most commonly cited explanation (speckle effect).
10. Auditory Perception of Space at Specific Frequencies:
- Listening to certain frequencies (e.g., 42Hz, 100Hz) with headphones while observing the laser let's you listen to the space. - Observers report being able to 'hear' the space inside the laser, as if the visual phenomenon also has an auditory component. - Unique because it suggests a form of cross-modal sensory perception, possibly a synesthetic experience where visual and auditory senses converge or influence each other under psychedelic influence.
I don't necessarily agree with what GPT says the properties suggest. I'd just like to hear of anything similar, which I don't believe there is. Staring at your car, it is not.
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when a visual effect from a source image is observed at different angles we would expect some parallax and scaling to occur, but this is not a very compelling factor while in conjunction with other factors it could be a supporting factor.
What? It's a light source aimed on a wall/door, creating a flat, 2D projection. You definitely don't see any parallax effect when staring at laser light up close, especially to the point that objects in it can only be seen from certain angles.
Regarding measurement and subjectivity: it's all going to be subjective because seeing the code relies on individual perception and psychedelics. People who have performed the experiment report back and people discuss what works and what doesn't.
I feel like people constantly pretend none of this is novel, but have never given examples of anything remotely close.
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Re: DMT + Laser Pattern equals..... [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28608579 - 01/03/24 03:14 PM (24 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Hey Stare, only tangentially related, but I'm wondering if you percieve a flickering affect from screens when on psychedelics? Both Logical Chaos and I get the same effect as if our eyes are perceiving the refresh rate of the light and I'm curious if you see this too.
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Tiger that’s an interesting question. I can always sort of see LED’s specifically strobing with AC current, even though it’s allegedly too fast for human perception, but on psychs I can REALLY see it. Think that might be related?
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Re: DMT + Laser Pattern equals..... [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28608646 - 01/03/24 04:12 PM (24 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Its an interesting question for sure. I think it has to play some kind of role in seeing that mysterious Alien Laser Code....
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Re: DMT + Laser Pattern equals..... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28608874 - 01/03/24 07:30 PM (24 days, 4 hours ago) |
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I'm not sure if I've experienced that, but I don't think so. I've definitely been online and watched TV prior while on mush/DMT and didn't notice that.
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Logical,
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I did shine it thru a glass of water, as suggested by stareatclouds. It didnt help the code show thru however it did create this trippy 3D-like effect inside the laser when I ran the laser across my clear glass cup filled with water. It looked similar to some DMT art Ive seen, in terms of the patterns inside the laser. Really amazing looking. Makes for a great trip toy 
Can you describe what happened when you shined the laser through the water more specifically? Trying to see if you're describing what is supposed to happen or not. It should allow you to see the code within the glass on the refracted beams shining around in it.

Like in the jar there where the red is reflecting. It seems it was something else since you didn't see the code there?
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Ohhhh....
Yeah thats totally not what I was looking at. I was looking at the wall behind the glass where the laser passed thru the water glass (not a jar). Basically, it looked like a watery psychedelic effect similar to what is shown in the last photo.
Im going to retry this experiment this weekend with my new and improved laser stand-prop. I'll try take some photos.
So you look down inside of the water glass?
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Re: DMT + Laser Pattern equals..... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28619082 - 01/12/24 07:11 PM (15 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Nah, it should make it clearer on the wall behind it, too, I think. But you can also see stuff in the glass as well. I have only done the experiment once and forgot about the water so I'm only going off of what Dan says.
Let us know how the experiment goes. Are you vaping it with PG/VG oil or emesh or what? I hope to have emesh in the future so we can establish some kind of threshold dose.
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Gotcha.
I have a dab bong with a quartz banger that i use. No idea of the potency since its homemade.
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Are you blasting off with a breakthrough and then coming back or doing small hits? Any idea how many mg?
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Im doing multiple small hits. Sub-Sub Breakthru. No clue on the mg amount.
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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
#28621607 - 01/14/24 10:51 PM (13 days, 57 minutes ago) |
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So i did the experiment tonight. These are my observations:
Summary:
I did not see any code this time. However, i did see some interesting things. I would estimate i dabbed about 15 to 20mg over the course of 3-4 hits. I was trying to find the minimal dose and i believe its around 15 to 20mg.
Set-up:
First i set up my laser stand on my bed on a piece of foam board. My room was about 90-95% dark, i used a small flash to navigate around my room. My vape system was a dab bong, large butane lighter, glass stir rod and homemade jungle wax crude DMT extract with an earwax metal scrapping tool.
At first, i used a small white flashlight to navigate my small room but afterwords, i started using a red LED rave toy instead. Much better for retaining my nightvision.
Visual Observations:
I positioned myself at a kneeling position with the laser stand next to me, just to the right of me on a table. I did my best to not get in the way of the laser beam. I also wore a hoodie to block out any light around my perpherial vision. Both of these techniques helped keep the laser unobstructed and my vision undistrated by the emission of the laser source as well as ambient light in my room.
First, i saw some moving effects. The horizontal band of the laser would bob up and down and "hover" kinda like a UFO. The laser would also expand and stretch, especially from the bottom half of the horizontal laser band.
I saw a lot of faces. Beautiful female faces, large wide male "ancient" faces, Grey Alien faces, Cyclops faces. It was pretty eerie. Some of the faces would morph between each other and overlap each other slowly, like they were go in and out of focus. I also saw these dark "boxes" that would flash over the laser. It was like a temporary section of censoring bars that would randomly appear within the horizontal band of the laser.
I also tried the glass of water method. First i moved my laser stand back on my table. Then right after i took a nice hit of DMT, i quickly filled a clean glass with cold tap water. I first didnt add enough water so i weny back and added some more. On the second fill, i had enough water. Looking down into the glass, it was quite the trippy sight! The bubbles from the faucet aerators were swirling inside the cup in a counter-clockwise direction. The laser beam would highlight the bubbles swirling around at different depths. Very trippy to watch. I recommend trying this method just for that unique SFX.
As for Alien Code, i didnt see anything inside the water cup. I even let the cup settle so the bubbles would disappear then toke another hit of jungle wax and still nothing. It was a lot less interesting without the bubbles inside the water. Overall, i saw no interesting visuals inside the cup of water (excluding the cool bubbles).
Lessons Learned:
So far, my favorite method is shinning the laser, stabilized on a table, againist a white wall unfiltered. The best way to observe these strange effects is in a dark room with eyes adjusted to the dark. Minimal dose seems to be between 15-20mg of DMT (estimated), somewhere around a causal DMT dosage. One small hit is just not enough. I also find its best to do this in silence. I found music to be distracting so i turned it off after a few tries. The silence and darkness both help to settle the mind to a almost meditative state in which these visual effects can be seen. My hoodie worked very well to block out ambient light around my perpherial vision. I highly recommend using a hoodie if you cannot get your room 100% dark. Lastly, at one point, i tried to "force" myself to see the code, that didnt help. No code was shown to me, even after multiple DMT dab sessions. I feel like just clearing your mind of as much thought as possible was the most effective method to see these interesting visual effects.
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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28621613 - 01/14/24 11:03 PM (13 days, 45 minutes ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I saw a lot of faces. Beautiful female faces, large wide male "ancient" faces, Grey Alien faces, Cyclops faces. It was pretty eerie. Some of the faces would morph between each other and overlap each other slowly, like they were go in and out of focus. I also saw these dark "boxes" that would flash over the laser. It was like a temporary section of censoring bars that would randomly appear within the horizontal band of the laser.
Yeah, the faces in it are known, but I didn't see them in my attempt and neither did my buddy. That's awesome you saw them! Here's a screencap from his firs video mentioning the faces:

Also just want to mention that he says dark is not the best, but ambient light helps a lot with seeing it. And I think with a more efficient vape method, like emesh, 20mg would be a breakthrough dose. I've heard 15mg can send people super far with emesh. So just a heads up to anybody who is using that as a guide, you may want to start way smaller.
Thanks again for updating the thread, LC. Love that you're playing with it. It's very interesting to me!
Edit: I wanted to add that I think the following point you noted is VERY helpful and I also agree: The silence and darkness both help to settle the mind to a almost meditative state in which these visual effects can be seen.. This is why I asked people to dedicate a day with no distractions to just chill and give it a fair shot. I think with other people even, it'd be a bit distracting. I personally had no luck alone with mushrooms, but that was because mush distracts me sooo much. Like my mind cannot be still on mush, so I stood no chance because I couldn't sit still, haha. Great TRs, man. Sincerely.
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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
#28621621 - 01/14/24 11:18 PM (13 days, 29 minutes ago) |
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Cool stuff!
I will look into the emesh i hope to do another extraction sometime in the Springtime. And Im glad im on the right track for seeing these commonly-seen faces.
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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28621657 - 01/15/24 12:55 AM (12 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Yeah, emesh is like the most efficient way to vape DMT. It vapes whatever you put on the coils haha so people used to less efficient methods go super far when they try what they did before. Just mentioning that so nobody gets more than they bargained for.
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