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DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips * 6
    #28383595 - 07/03/23 12:12 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

If you do a search anywhere, you'll see glyphs, alien code, Mayan or Aztec symbols, and a bunch of other "secret language" reported throughout our history with psychedelics. Many of you have probably already seen it in trips.

Like 4 months ago, I came across this video:



The person who discovered this isn't a kook. After reading his posts online, he's super grounded in science and doesn't contradict himself anywhere that I've seen. Beyond the code itself code and implications of it, there's nothing fantastical or crazy about his claims. I know that sounds funny, but what I mean is, he's not also talking about Bigfoot or linking people to shit like vaccineconspiraytruthexposed.freesite.cc/alien-autopsy.htm or anything.

I mention this because lots of people, even experienced psychonauts, will naturally write this off as bullshit from some delusional weirdo.

I know it sounds nuts, but I wound up doing it for the fuck of it. Building the laser is very simple so I figured, why not? I tried it with a friend and we both wound up seeing it (as well as other effects the video creator reports with it). The laser does indeed appear to reveal code.

It's not a random pattern, trick of the light, or power of influence at play. It's not a "random" hallucination either. The obvious default explanations you'll think of have already been considered and are not applicable. Perhaps my friend and I are both gullible, saw something else, and just wanted to believe? Maybe, but I don't think so.

I mention this for the same reasons I mentioned how the person in the video isn't a nutjob. Writing it off with the obvious explanation does not work.

While I don't think just seeing the code means we're 100% in a simulation, it's very interesting nonetheless. Perhaps it's just triggering the same mechanism in our brains that originate the code at random? Maybe there's no simulation, but the entities are really there and this is an extension of them fucking with us? I don't know. Regardless, I haven't seen anyone figure out a way to reproduce the same effect repeatedly like this before.

I rarely post on here anymore, but would usually stick to the cultivation part of the forum when I did. Not sure if it shows in this section, but I'm a Trusted Cultivator and have rarely had issues with anyone on here. Much of my time was spent asking questions, learning, and adding new growing tools to my belt. The last half of that time was more geared toward teaching others what I'd learned to repay the boards. I don't grow anymore, but still appreciate the community.

I mention this for the same reasons as before. I'm also not a kook with detached beliefs or a penchant for the supernatural. If you check my posts, I'm well-reasoned, grounded, and pretty damn logical. Rest assured, my self-diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder, history of pathological lying, and frequent bouts of meth-induced psychosis are not factors in this. Ok, I made those up for funsies. But being serious, I legitimately tried this and observed the code; so did my friend.

A specific type of laser is required (650nm, 5mW only). Amazon has it for very cheap and Dan (person in video) has instructions on his channel for how he built his (external battery pack). I found another guide someone else had using a USB cable, which was much easier. If anybody is open to giving this a shot, I'm down to help you get the laser working if needed.

Later, nerds.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #28383641 - 07/03/23 12:43 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)



This is the latest video on the discovery that he's released.

If anybody has any questions about all of this, feel free to ask. I spent quite a bit of time researching his claims before deciding to build the laser. And obviously spent more time researching things after I confirmed he's not FOS. As a result, I've become pretty knowledgeable on his answers to all the more common questions. And I can answer some about the laser from my experience. He's also very responsive through email and happily answered plenty of things I was curious about before trying.

Unfortunately, because he leads off with the "proof we're in a simulation" thing, I think 95% of people likely think he's nuts and bounce. The other 5% probably get lost on the laser part and don't try building one. Kind of a bummer. Based on comments he's made online, he definitely isn't going on just the code for his belief in the simulation.

Unrelated to his comments and just spitballing, I personally find the timing intriguing. We're getting close to AGI ourselves, tons of recent disclosure of UAP being real, etc. Especially with the whistleblowers and government officials suddenly referring to "aliens" as "non-human intelligence" instead. Doesn't make me less-inclined to believe something did pass The Great Filter and we're part of their computer something.

All I request/encourage is watching the videos before suggesting obvious explanations or asking rhetorical questions. He answers most of them in there and many of the provided details rule out common ones.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28383694 - 07/03/23 01:16 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

wingardium leviosa

But yeah, I hear you. It's something worth considering. Here's an interesting and long Twitter thread on DMT experiences and folklore. I don't think the claims he makes on missing persons are validated, though.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28383777 - 07/03/23 02:15 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

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Let’s say for the sake of the interested that I don’t have any opinion at all. I haven’t watched the video, I have a general idea based on what you said, but otherwise I am neutral on the subject. Do you suppose if this device were put in front of me I would still get the same results?

Basically I feel like I’d be a pretty good candidate to go at this dry to see if it’s in the eye of the beholder or if it truly produces said results. I have seen code and glyphs on high doses of mushrooms, so if it is s something some people are predisposed to seeing with the aid of the device I would probably be a good Guinea pig.




Yes, I do, although knowing nothing else it may take you longer. Not because you need to be a "believer" or be influenced, but there's kind of a "technique" to see it. I don't know how to explain it well, especially since I've only done this once, but it's kind of how there's a "technique" to seeing 3D eye puzzles. Knowing how to relax your eyes in similar fashion to that is apparently helpful for this. I can't do those at all, but my buddy said he can. He saw something noticeable immediately and I took a while. If you're down to try, I'll share more on that front.

All I'd say is if you're willing to try it and give it a serious attempt, I believe you'll see it, too. The person who discovered it says he's at 180 or so who've seen it and only 2 who haven't. Given that I can confirm 2 of the "saw it" camp are real, I'm inclined to believe his overall tally. I think he's still trying to troubleshoot why those 2 were the outliers.

He also says he's confirmed it with people who had no idea what to look for or how to see it. This is where my knowledge of it having a "technique" came from.

I'd love for you to try it without knowing more as a case study of sorts. If you're comfortable on low-doses of DMT* with open-eyes and are willing to spend some time playing with it, I'm confident you'll see it, too. If not, I'd love to have reliable attempts documented on failings.

The points redgreenvines brought up are the kinds of responses I referenced in my original post. But I'm glad you haven't watched because you have no idea why/how what he's saying are unlikely to be an explanation.

* It is reported you can see this on mush, too, but it's either a lot less noticeable or just harder to achieve. I've only tried with DMT, so I can't confirm myself.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28383832 - 07/03/23 02:55 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

Interesting etymological breakdown. Thanks for that. I would've thought halos would be in there somewhere.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #28384107 - 07/03/23 07:25 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

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I’m saying if our perceived reality is a deception, then you can’t rely on its inherent rules to describe phenomena outside its scope. But this is really just experimental thinking, I’m not saying things are that way. I’m saying if our existence is a simulation, what lies beyond said simulation could be ANYTHING




Agreed. It's akin to when people anthropomorphize God. The very definition of God defies our ability to understand. If there's a civilization advanced enough to run a simulation like this, I don't propose we're smart enough to understand their motives. When everything we know is contained within a simulation, we're limited to what's within it. The same people pointing out flaws in logic can't explain the technology they're typing on to share that opinion.

If people are starting from a finish line of "this is not possible", they'll naturally work backwards on why any explanation given must be something else. That's why I'm not going to spend much time explaining why obvious answers don't fit. It's essentially a non-falsifiable thing that you must see for yourself to believe. Fortunately, with a cheap laser and some DMT, you can.

I've seen the code, so personally, I don't give a fuck what a simulation should be doing or what the implications are from it existing. At least not yet. We must first get on the same page of whether the code is there. For that reason, I'm focused on getting some of you knuckleheads to play with the laser like I did. There's no reason you should see the same thing that I see, even when replicating the conditions.

For what it's worth, I am of the opinion that it's more like an Easter egg as opposed to raw source code. Something to serve as a constant from the "psychedelic/altered consciousness" side of things. Basically a little nod that lets us know someone is in charge. Or at least higher up than us on the food chain. And that's my stance if the "out there" side of things is correct. It could be just the right blend of external parameters to trigger this neat effect in human brains. Unlikely to me, but possible. But as I said, code confirmation first, speculation later (for me personally).


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That's cool, but I see that language without needing some special setup in many static viewing areas such as a white popcorn ceiling or wall, looking at my arm hairs, etc. etc.  I've seen everything from latin words to a druidic/glyphic type language on LSD many times.

Alex Grey and his wife has been very good at replicating the glyphic languages from LSD and DMT.




It's not Allyson's language and they're not like traditional glyphs from what I've seen. Either way, I don't think you're understanding the distinction between what you're describing and the laser. Mainly "many times" is not "every time."


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Kiwi89] * 1
    #28384149 - 07/03/23 07:53 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

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Also he is contradicting himself. He suggest that we can not build instruments to see things we are not able to perceive, 10:35 first video, but also admits that we can build instruments that we are not able to perceive.




There is no contradiction. I think you're misinterpreting him. We are unable to see UV with our own eyes, but we do have instruments able to detect and confirm it. Without those instruments, we'd never be able to "see" (and prove) the existence of that part of the spectrum.

He's positing that the altered state rendered from DMT might be akin to UV's previously unrecognized space on the spectrum. If so, DMT might be the tool needed to turn our brains into that instrumentation. If we don't even consider this, he's saying there might be an entire world of information we're missing out on.

Think before germ theory evolved into our current understanding. People thought "bad air" caused disease and doctor's didn't even bother washing their hands. In this scenario, he's saying, "Maybe there's an entire world existing alongside us playing a role. We just can't see it." DMT is the microscope and he's urging us to look through it with that specific lens.

It's honestly more analogous to germ theory than I like.

xShroomerx,

This isn't applicable, but falls into the category of "already considered, but not entirely relevant." Not trying to be rude or dismissive, but as I said above, people will have to see it for themselves to "get it." I also want to be vague for the people who are down to try. As little influence as possible is probably best for building a case.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: xShroomerx] * 1
    #28384164 - 07/03/23 08:15 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

If the code is there, it's a pretty big thing. As such, my main goal with this post is to immediately get people to try the experiment. The main gripe everyone says about his videos is that the power of influence invalidated the results. This is the main reason I am hesitant to give specifics on the code itself. I know it's kind of annoying and a copout, but answering your question will provide insight. It'll shape people's idea of what should be there as a result. I don't want to do that. I am sorry if it comes off as withholding on purpose.

The "already considered" part was trying to assure people it doesn't have an obvious explanation not yet considered. Like someone saying they've seen it randomly on specific textures. It's not that. Basically it's a "source: trust me, bro" from someone who actually is trustworthy and with a reason for doing that.

Another way of looking at it is me assuring everyone that I'm not a fucking idiot. I wouldn't have gotten to the point of making this thread without having ruled out very obvious things. The likelihood of me just now realizing, "Oh, fuck! It actually was everyone just looking at a weird surface and only happening sometimes at random!" is not good. It's more likely I would've died bathing with a toaster beforehand or blinding myself with the laser.

Anyway, it'd be rad if everyone commenting (who were capable) would say, "Fuck it. Let's all try it next Friday at midnight" and we could all discuss the results immediately. That's my hope. So anybody else on the sidelines, I'd love to get a couple on board.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: hazyhorse] * 1
    #28384179 - 07/03/23 08:28 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

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only skimmed this thread so far but i love weird bullshit. will fully be trying the lasers at some point for whatever they do.

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Hell yeah, man. I love to hear that. The laser must be 650nm, 5mW max, with a diffracted beam. The cross-shaped beam is the best and the wider, the better (that's what she said). #SYD1230 is the diode to buy since it has all of the requirements. Wiring it to your power source is all that's needed and it's not difficult.

Going to crash for a bit, but if anyone else is down and just needs link/instructions to the diode and making it USB-powered, drop your names.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: hazyhorse] * 2
    #28384188 - 07/03/23 08:39 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

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i will probably need the links :lol:

sounds easy enough tho. i’ll watch the video & stuff a bit later when i get some free time




That book sounds awesome. I've definitely heard that title. I'll have to check it later. I also think some of Gallimore's ideas sound interesting regarding this.

I'll update the thread tomorrow or so with specifics on the build. Also, feel free to not watch any of the videos and go in blind on the test. :wink: No worries either way. If I tell you the laser reveals a secret message about Ovaltine, it shouldn't matter. You shouldn't see a crummy commercial just because someone suggests it.

Holler.

Edit: Googled overview of the book and it aligns with some of my thoughts on my DMT experiences. I also will say that certain things in the description align with certain things tied to the experiment. Damn.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #28384198 - 07/03/23 08:51 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

It depends on what you mean by simulation. I don't think we'd have to be robots. AGI is projected to be a real thing, achievable possibly within our lifetimes. Perhaps we are AGI ourselves and now we're getting close to building our own simulation of sorts? No idea. Like I said, code first, theorize on implications later (for me).

Perhaps this is best discussed in the Philosophy section?


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: ShiroiTora] * 1
    #28384599 - 07/04/23 09:33 AM (6 months, 21 days ago)

Staring at an object that has a 5mW laser pointed on it is not going to damage your eyes. At least it's not rated to from what I Googled beforehand. The main risk would be the laser being higher than 5mW despite the rating saying so. But everyone needs to calculate their own risk if they want to do this or not.

Shining the laser on something highly reflective like a mirror should not be done. To anyone confused, the object you want to shine the laser at should not be a mirror or a human eyeball or something mirror-like that beams the laser back into your eyeball like a mirror. Something like a wooden door or regular wall would be advisable.

If your eyes are being strained or your head begins to hurt, don't continue. But make sure 5mW is the max output on the laser.

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Woah, I did not plan on spending an hour and a half watching two videos and reading 5000+ words in posts with most of that time still spent watching the videos in which he talks a lot but is saying essentially nothing.. It feels exactly like a conspiracy thread:lol:

But that aside. Why MUST it be a simulation? I feel a lot of people misinterpret the matrix(the movie) as more futuristic than it is, same with any dystopian future story. It can only be written with the inspiration coming from the problems currently at hand. The "matrix" is not a computer simulation at all, it is a linguistic simulation, where words and language are used to control people's behavior, to convince them that money is more important than most anything else, and to even control how they think of value, which must be paper money and not physical natural resources, so entire countries can be hoodwinked out of their true wealth(like those in Africa and South America). We are literally enslaved by this matrix, with police taking away your freedom if you don't want to play by the completely unfair rules of the simulation. Yet if you can see past it, into it's source code, you can control the inhabitants of the matrix the same way it's creators do every day. This is what the movie is about, aliens and computers have fuck all to do with it, its PEOPLE trying to enslave PEOPLE with money and debt and prisons, that is what the matrix is about.

Also, this is not scientific in the least. I get that he wants to avoid confirmation bias or whatever, but in doing so he assumes we know psychology better than we know physics, and considering psychology as a science is roughly less than a tenth of the age of physics, I think this laser contraption of his would be better used studying the psychology of shared phenomena than "IT'S DEFS 100% A FUCKIN MATRIX Y'ALL". The fact that he doesn't want to say anything specific about the language or what is seen also makes it sound(to those who are uninitiated) like it could look like source code, but it could also look like a dolphin, like it's all 100% interpretative and no defined structure can be elucidated whatsoever as of yet with all his 180+ guinea pigs. I know this might not be the case and I might change my tune once I see the laser on DMT, but this is what it would sound like to scientists. I mean if he believed it was truly empirically observable, it should be IMPOSSIBLE to imagine it with or without psychological priming, you know it's a bit fishy that he would even think that it is having experienced it himself.




A good example of why I had the disclaimers in the OP.

1. I addressed whether it has to be literal source code or not in another comment.
2. The Matrix has nothing to do with anything he's saying.
3. He is putting together double-blind tests with scientists. This is to get others on board.
4. Your summarization in the second paragraph is indeed not accurate.

5. "I mean if he believed it was truly empirically observable, it should be IMPOSSIBLE to imagine it with or without psychological priming, you know it's a bit fishy that he would even think that it is having experienced it himself."

Exactly. And it is. He has said this multiple times online and I swear he addresses it in the videos you watched. I also have said this to people. It honestly shouldn't and doesn't matter. It absolutely looks the same to everyone who sees it. They describe the same thing. If I tell you it's a bunch of 8===D symbols, you aren't going to see dicks. But the general public seems to think that's how this whole thing works. He's trying to avoid that with the assumption people will try the experiment.

Here are a few of his comments online addressing this:

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When I did it with people without telling them, many times they get confused. But if you try it for yourself and see it, you will know exactly what I mean by its Epistemologically Sound. It doesn't belong to a family of things that can be suggested to you. It's extremely stable and coherent. And that's a very important attribute of it. Because it becomes clear that thinking of it in terms of something that has been suggested to you, is equivalent to thinking about your couch in terms of only existing because I told you there's a couch there. It's not "that kind of thing".




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Again, it’s in the video. You can’t suggest something to happen this specifically with such robust attributes and have it appear 100% of the time for everybody without any variation




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I’m addressing this in the video. You can’t suggest something this specific to also appear 100% of the time unless that something actually exists on its own side.




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Yes, this is a very common objection, which I understand, but every time I answer it I realize more and more how misplaced it is. I will use my answer to you to speak to the world at large, so please don't feel like I'm being dismissive of your questions or your sentiment. I take all of your points and I understand the issues you're raising. But I have answered these questions so many times that I prefer to give a deeper answer here, which will include some strident points. This attitude is not aimed at you as an individual. I am talking to what I notice to be a general narrative that I believe is holding us back.

First, to your point about mushrooms. This is actually a perfect example of a deep misconception people have about psychedelics specifically and of the power of suggestion in general. I'm not sure how much experience you have with mushrooms, but the scenario that you've described is highly unlikely. Yes, things become more malleable when you're on mushrooms, but they are not infinitely elastic. So no, you will not get more visuals if you believe that if you stand on one foot it will make it so. And in fact, it is much more often the case that you will get things you did not expect at all; which is one of the very good reasons people are afraid of bad trips. But this misconception is actually of a much more general nature.

The way we treat the placebo effect, points to a deeply confused notion of reality. When people say, “it’s just placebo”. What do they mean by “just”, exactly? Are they talking about the fact that symptoms - sometimes very real physical symptoms - go away, because someone was convinced they were given something we thought is supposed to cure it, when in fact we gave them a sugar pill? And this happens 30% of the time? And you don't think this merits everyone to pause and ask what exactly is the relationship between the mind and our physical body? Here is another fun fact. The more radical the means of inducing a placebo the higher the percentage of people for whom the placebo works. Sometimes as high as 53%. So what does this mean? Well, one very plausible thing it can mean is that conviction (whatever in fact it is) seems to be playing a major role in what happens to us physically. And you don't think this is important to the discussion of what is the main driver, the mind or the physical world?

Then there is the it’s-something-that-our-brain-is-doing types of explanations; which are not really explanations at all. They are an attempt to indefinitely postpone the explanation, by never addressing the actual question and sweeping it under a physicalist rug. It is the equivalent of saying that it was magic. And no, I am not exaggerating. Saying “it’s something we don’t understand about the mind” has exactly the same explanatory power as saying it’s magic.

The code resembles ____, which also addresses your point about people who speak different languages. I speak three, and none of them are ____. Everyone sees the exact same thing. What I always tell people when I'm answering this question is that what you see in the laser has enough variability and stability to be able to run a blind test even if I say to you you see ____. As to your point about it being unlikely that someone who would be able to simulate realities would be using ____ or ____ that we can understand. Yes, you are absolutely correct. And yet, here we are. So maybe we don't really know what is plausible in this space. One possible explanation is that we're supposed to find this and solve some puzzles using it to get a pass to join the larger space. But I will be the first to admit that this is a very wild guess. One thing I am not guessing though is the fact that it's there.

The bottom line is this. My first video on the subject is missing a lot of key points to make this more salient for people. This is why I'm releasing a new follow-up video next month that addresses a lot of these points in much more depth. But the point of this video wasn't to convince anyone. It was to make this information available to anyone that would like to try and replicate it.

I hope this answer satisfied your concerns, and please forgive my tone if I came across as too stern. As I said, I felt like I was answering the world, more than you personally, so I felt justified to adopt a stronger tone. If you have any more specific questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Thank you for your questions.




You can decide for yourself how deluded Laserboy is. To me, he sounds pretty sane. But maybe that's just because he's addressing redditors.

I've edited out stuff about the code specifically. If you want to search, you can find out. I politely request that anybody who digs to find more about the code doesn't mention it in the open here. Yes, I'm aware it doesn't matter and I'm aware this doesn't make for a real science experiment. But just for funsies, please don't discuss the specifics of the "code" out in the open since there are a few avoiding it for their own experiment.

Again, I promise the extremely obvious explanations for seeing this have already been addressed and factored in. I'm equally grounded in both reality and humility, which is pretty good for a man like me with a 180 IQ and 14" penis. Okay, okay. Listen, I am not a genius, nor a narcissist, but I am at least not a complete moron. If there's a different explanation for this, which I am open to, it's not he obvious ones.

Regardless, less tallky, more lasery. Let me know if you want to build the laser. I'm going to post how I built mine tonight or tomorrow, I think.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28384746 - 07/04/23 11:38 AM (6 months, 21 days ago)

You don't have to give a fuck about simulation theory. If you spent more time reading the thread and less time posting irrelevant shit in it, you might understand that. I agree on the non-falsifiability of simulation theory. That's why so few of my posts are discussing it.

The focal point to discuss is the "code." How can there be a "code" that is coherently revealed through this laser + altered state? Your brother being an orthodontist who makes shit up is one explanation. It isn't what I'd call a good one, but at least you're in the right arena of discussion by trying to disprove what the laser reveals.

What "believers" are you talking about? He is literally telling you how to perform this yourself and see. No belief required. And seeing the code doesn't mean you have to believe we're in a simulation. If you believe the "real Matrix" is the crippling debt, class division, and wealth-inequality we've accrued along the way, I'm with you. But please drone on and on about it elsewhere. You can take the latin guy with you.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: ShiroiTora]
    #28384830 - 07/04/23 12:58 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

Like pharmahuasca? I have no experience with that myself, only vaped DMT (that I'm apparently lying about), but I don't see why not. n,n-DMT is the ticket and mushrooms apparently work, too. I'd assume oral DMT would work as well if the dosage/effects are similar to what is needed when vaped.


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Why spread such psychotic disinformation?




I liked you better when you were babbling about Lucifer in Latin. Sorry, no idea what disinformation I'm spreading. I did DMT while looking at a laser on a wall and saw "code." This isn't disinformation. It's a real thing. What it means, I have no idea and am not too interested in discussing at the moment.

I'm not theorizing random conspiracies or telling people to believe anything I'm saying. There is a specific and easy thing to do that will either validate or disprove the existence of this code. And I'm doing what I can for people to help with that. Why that isn't encouraged and appreciated by you is odd to me, but whatever. Even if people see the code, it doesn't have to mean one thing or another. And people are still free to try to demonstrate how it actually is just a visual effect. I am open to that, although current explanations do not fit.

If you're not interested in performing the experiment, that's totally fine. I would appreciate if you don't completely derail the thread, though. It's already busy enough with redgreenvine displaying the Dunning-Kruger effect in 1080P.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28384892 - 07/04/23 02:00 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
I've seen 'it' - or similar enough - too, but what I don't see is how it necessarily means what you're saying you think it does.




Sorry, what exactly do I think this code means? Where is this guess of mine or the leaps of faith you think you're referencing?

Here are a few actual quotes from me (basically all true):

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I don't think just seeing the code means we're 100% in a simulation




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Maybe there's no simulation




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I don't give a fuck what a simulation should be doing or what the implications are from it existing.




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You don't have to give a fuck about simulation theory.




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I agree on the non-falsifiability of simulation theory. That's why so few of my posts are discussing it.




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pretty good for a man like me with a 180 IQ and 14" penis




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seeing the code doesn't mean you have to believe we're in a simulation.




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Even if people see the code, it doesn't have to mean one thing or another. And people are still free to try to demonstrate how it actually is just a visual effect. I am open to that, although current explanations do not fit.




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What it means, I have no idea and am not too interested in discussing at the moment.




I have taken considerable steps to avoid this part of the conversation entirely. In each instance I've referenced the code, I've made it clear that I don't exactly know what it means or how it fits in with a simulation. If it is indeed put here on purpose by something, I don't think it has to be literal source code running a simulation. But again, this is not something I have spent or want to spend much time on. I am interested in establishing that it's there.


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In fact, your guess seems based more in several giant leaps of faith than it does well placed observations backed by empirical evidence.




Damn, that's actually a great point. Well, not the "giant leaps of faith" part, but the emphasis placed on "well placed observations backed by empirical evidence." I have to admit that part is extremely important for this whole thing. In fact, it's absolutely the most necessary component.

Maybe I'll have to rethink how to best achieve it. Maybe something along the lines of telling other people exactly how I saw the code, then asking people to replicate it themselves and report back with their results. Now where to find solid candidates? Hmm, what about a forum where experienced psychonauts discuss their drug experiences? Let me think on this.

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Considering that there are perfectly good explanations that exist now for how the resulting phenomena can occur I can't help but be highly skeptical of your take.




[ ] perfectly good explanations that exist now for how the resulting phenomena can occur
[ ] need for someone to be highly skeptical of anyone's take

1. Laser
2. DMT

1 + 2 = the answer for yourself.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28385040 - 07/04/23 03:25 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

1. You are not providing evidence to the contrary of anything discussed, including your own example. Arbitrarily assigning "drugs" to everything experienced in an altered state invalidates nothing. Saying "it's drugs" is not explaining anything. It's a pointless distinction that only serves to end the discussion, not explain anything.

2. You, like the others making similar posts, are describing something that isn't at all what I am talking about. Comparing experiences that aren't analogous also doesn't invalidate anything. I've done LSD 10-15 times and have never so much as seen a fractal bouncing off shit, let alone the physics of the universe (and I get excellent acid). I've done a single tab with a friend who could see them bouncing off of trees. The experience is quite subjective, obviously, and we all have different tolerance to things. That is the distinction between the examples people keep providing and what is suggested in the video. It isn't subjective. Everyone sees and describes the same thing. And if his numbers are to be believed, there's like a 99% repeatability rate among those he's shown it to. Nobody in here is describing that.

I have never had the same experience "on drugs" with that kind of repeatability and consistency. Neither have you. Even with experiences that are caused by our brain/body structure that I KNOW happen. I've seen honeycomb-type patterns overlaid on everything when I blink, but not every single time I trip. I've heard many others describe this, too, but not every single time they trip. And even knowing this effect exists and has a simple explanation, I can't "induce" it into your trip with any repeatability.

If I told you wearing a red hat on 2g of cubes would induce form constants, you should be skeptical. If you try it and it works, you should give it more consideration, but still be skeptical. If you get more people to try it, find out it works for them, you should be less skeptical. I would then try to disprove it with blue hats or something. And even then, if I can't, it doesn't have to mean anything. We can sit on it and think for as long as we want.

How can we get to that part if everyone keeps saying, "I saw that effect while tripping once before, back in aught-6. Therefore, it's bullshit!" as if it's the same thing?

"Yeah, dude. I've seen it once or twice, as well. And I don't even wear hats since they can't fit over my helmet. Therefore, it's bullshit!"

None of you have given examples of anything even remotely close to what is described in the videos. It's hard for me to believe you've even watched them or read my posts in this thread, especially when you keep linking my stance with a simulation.

3. Disregard what this HAS to mean or whether it 100% is or isn't a "hallucination" or "just drugs." Consider it a really fucking neat visual effect that you can induce on command. Is that not interesting enough to entertain?

Feel free to keep explaining why this can't be a thing, but I'll no longer be replying. This is something you just need to try for yourself to understand the difference. Otherwise, I'll keep hearing from people who once saw something similar that one time, which is not an explanation. I opened up the thread with the fact people have seen similar symbols randomly throughout our documented use of psychedelics. If you're not interested because you already know it's bullshit, no worries. But you leave me and the gullible nerds I'm trying to recruit into my DMT-cult the hell alone!


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28385106 - 07/04/23 04:15 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

No, you can't be sober. At least nobody has reported it sober like that. Feel free to act as your own control for this and play with the laser before tripping.

N,N-DMT is best used, but it can be seen on mushrooms, just not as vivid apparently. I haven't tried with mushrooms and don't know if a higher dose makes them more vivid. I'm also not sure if it's harder to get your mind/eyes to notice them at first, either. But it apparently can work.

I'll try and get the links to the laser up by later tonight.

The Blind Ass,

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How is the so-called 'alien code' or whatever ultimately any different from ^ those?




The fact it can be reproduced reliably with specific parameters. This is the distinction that you keep missing that separates this phenomena from everything else. If you don't think that makes it different (or has no point worthy of discussing), that's fine. I think most people can recognize how interesting and unique this property is.

I don't need to search for reports including symbols, man. Again, I opened up the thread specifically referencing them. I am sure I've done more research into these symbols than everyone in this thread combined. I have already read your experience with them, too, prior to making this thread. There are hundreds of reports mentioning all sorts of symbols. The majority of those are people questioning why they saw them and their meaning. How many of those reports mention a method they discovered to reveal these symbols? Maybe you should run some searches and report back.

No offense, but while I can keep explaining it to you, I can't understand it for you.

nektar,

Tests were performed on individuals who were scheduled to have an eye removed for medical reasons. For the purposes of the test, the eye was normally functioning. Test subjects stared directly at 5 mW lasers with there to-be-removed eye for five to fifteen minutes from various angles. No permanent eye damage occured. Some changes in tissue were noticed. Of course, in a real-world incident, laser light entering the eye would likely last for less than one second, as people naturally look away from bright things and close their eyes, so there is no real danger of direct damage.

But yes, it's possible you actually buy a laser with stronger power and you might accidentally stare directly into it and maybe there's infrared thrown in there, too, and also a tornado might hit.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28385132 - 07/04/23 04:34 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

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No, that applies to literally all phenomenons -  everything.




Do you realize literally none of the "phenomenons" you've referenced can be reproduced like this? What the fuck are you even talking about? I don't know how your brain can't recognize making something happen every single time for everyone is not the same as some people saw what resembles that thing some of the time. We're not splitting the atom or solving the Gordian knot here.

Wait, are you actually blind? That might explain some things. I hope it wasn't caused from being near a 5mW laser. Those things are as deadly as Halloween candy with razors, I hear.

While it's fun humoring "explanations" that aren't applicable and anecdotes of completely different scenarios, I have to tap out. There's at least 2 people down to try, so that's a win in my book. With links and instructions for the lasers, I'm hopeful a few more will join in from the sidelines.

While I don't believe the laser is as inherently dangerous as some are suggesting, I genuinely am convinced you probably shouldn't be allowed to use one.

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Yet you have to take a drug to see the code behind the simulation. Listen to yourself man.




I have listened to myself and I didn't say anything like that. Ah, yes, "a drug!" The deus ex machina for any situation, no matter how unlikely! Why didn't I think of that?!


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Maybe it is time for you to start proving your wild claims instead of getting angry at the monitor.




I don't have any wild claims. I'm not angry. I don't care about a simulation. I saw what the guy in the video said I would see. What this means, I do not know. Even with someone also seeing it with me, I am still not really sold. I am trying to disprove it to myself, believe it or not. I hope to have time to check again for myself this weekend. If I don't see it this time, I will report back.

What proof could I possibly have about what, Einstein? I am telling you how to see this for yourself so you DON'T have to believe anything. 90% of my replies are me explaining that I can't prove anything I'm saying to you. I'm also reminding you that when you see it, you don't have to attach the observation to anything either way.

I am sorry this confuses you. I am sorry that you appear so threatened by the idea of a simulation that you're lashing out. "If I'm simulated, why am I such a damn dweeb? Why, cruel creators, WHY?!" I get it, man. I truly do. If you got a brain smoother than a cantaloupe, why does the sloth dude preaching the laser bullshit get an IQ of 195 and a 16" cock? Like I said, I don't have the answers.

The video linked is on a channel with step-by-step instructions to build the laser. Either do it or don't, brainiac. The only thing left for me to do is realize when certain people are just way too smart to be fooled by this bullshit. And well, old friend, you've certainly proven your intellect in these back-and-forths. Please, wise one, let me focus on the more gullible now.


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28385276 - 07/04/23 06:31 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

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Alrighty then...

fyi - I don't need eyes to smell your bullshit.

:pink:




A pile of shit has a thousand eyes.

It's a shame because I swear you came thiiiiis close to getting it. Like, you were right there with almost acknowledging what is different about randomly seeing something interesting vs. reliably seeing it every time. And the edit containing a description of the "unfamiliar streams of code" is particularly interesting.

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[*this might be only one variation ^ - bc - while tripping i've also experienced the above, but also differently at other times in which the surrounding environment is just like the way it is while I'm not tripping, only the 'unfamiliar streams of code' are juxtaposed like holograms as if floating just above the matter they're overlaid upon in my visual field - and they can remain static like that long enough for a brief inspection while moving about to view it from various angles etc etc]




And you're saying you see this sometimes or every single time you trip? It sounds like only sometimes and that it has appeared at random? Either way it sounds pretty fucking interesting.. almost purposeful in some way.

It reminds me of this other dude's account I read before:

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I can't be sure.  But I have seen them too and it is most fascinating and simultaneously a bit unbelievable.
The thing is the "code" or however it is displayed in my vision is not "static". By that I mean  Its not like it goes Away if I blink real hard and turn around 3 times and go away and come back .. it is still there.
It seems to be my brain and all my experience and knowledge combined into wonderfully complex yet simple coded symbols...but nothing I can consciously discern the meaning of by any stretch of the imagination.




Interesting. This person seems pretty impressed by what they saw, even calling it "most fascinating" and "a bit unbelievable." Despite being unsure of the meaning, they apparently recognize just how unique the behavior of the "hallucination" is. I agree, it's a little odd you can blink, turn around, put your left foot in and shake it all about, yet it's still there. Like it's behaving as if it's a real thing almost. I mean, it's at least not behaving like the random hallucinations I've had before.

Maybe I should've found that guy for this? Imagine if I told him there was a way to reveal that same kind of effect by doing something extremely easy? Maybe he'd consider that significant. Or at least interesting.

But even if he found it insignificant, he'd at least understand that invoking/revealing/inducing/seeing/hallucinating this effect, seemingly on command, is different than it sometimes appearing randomly, right?

Right?


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Re: DMT + Laser = Reveals Alien Code Commonly Reported In Trips [Re: stareatclouds]
    #28385300 - 07/04/23 06:59 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

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As if it was creatively coded in a language known by our system & only translatable to itself - if at all.  < The experiential result of which I liken to intuitively interacting with a novel, adaptive, & projected mind map that utilizes the history of the body’s sensory experience as its data points being “played” by the intellect.  Also, I forget the name of the phenomena but it occurs easily when cloud gazing - identifying patterns on/in surfaces that are really only in the mind though.  How does that play into the “text/symbol” overlay experience?
I suppose at the very least it can add another layer of dimension to the experience.

When a flashlight is applied & held to the palm of the hand while in an otherwise lightless room - the light shining through the skin will illuminate more of what is always already there in some form or another but which is otherwise normally hidden.




Very interesting theories by the same person. And a cool analogy with the flashlight illuminating something always there, but otherwise hidden. I should PM him and see if he'd like to try an experiment that lets him interact with these symbols whenever he wants. What he's describing when gazing at the sky isn't what I think the laser thing is, though. And I know all about seeing something cool when you stare at clouds. But I don't know with certainty so I can't say for sure.


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when I notice the writing which can be high or low contrast, clearly formed letters that disappear/change or alien texts I really want to be able to read it but cannot. It synaesthesiastically tastes readable.




Another person mentioning this. You were right, researching the symbols has lead me to some interesting reports. Maybe I'll message this dude, too. Maybe the laser reveals the same kinds of characters he's describing? I'm sure he'd have a better chance at deciphering them if he can reveal them for extended periods whenever he wants?


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Nice try, you almost told it truthfully.

but - You already admitted earlier on that it has not worked for everyone every single time.

No shame.  Just go back to the drawing board.




"Only a 99% success rate so far? To do something that shouldn't really be possible at all? PFFFT, big whoop! Hey, it might produce an amazing experience that has completely wowwed me in the past, but what am I bothering for if only 99% of people can see it? Hell, according to Big Statistic, 99% of people stop shitting themselves by the time they reach adulthood. Well, here I am, 42 years young and still making plop-plop in my undies. Sorry, but I've been played by those kind of odds before."

I really wish you understood how much of a complete fucking idiot you sound like right now. Despite me making fun of you, we are not enemies on this, my man. Your default doesn't have to be disbelieving or fighting back at shit I'm saying. What's the harm in trying what is suggested? You're afraid you might like it or something? I don't even know what you're rejecting. You said you've seen the code before, thought it was unbelievable, and seemed eager to tell people about it. Why isn't this interesting to you?

You seem to think it's completely explainable and obvious why a laser would produce these kinds of hallucinations. Ok, boom, solved it. Oh hey, look, the magic combination to display the shit you previously geeked out over. Why exactly are you so against this again? At the very least, try it, confirm it's the same thing, and work with everyone to disprove it as anything more than pattern-matching from our brains. That would be a solid result for me because I am interested in the truth.

$20 maximum investment. Even if it doesn't work, you get a laser, so that's cool. Plus you can rub it in my face that I mailed Laserboy in the video $500 to join his cult AND I severed my 20" dong. All for nothing!

If it does work, you can still maintain your position of, "Who gives a fuck? I saw this before and this is no different!" Or you can just lie and pretend you didn't see anything. Either way, you seriously should buy some diapers or something at least.


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