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No signs of pinning
    #28381413 - 07/01/23 01:33 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

So I recently opened up one of my all-in-one bags that was without a doubt ready to go and put it into my Martha tent (80%-90% RH and 75-80*F). After a few days, it seems like the surface conditions have changed and I'm not seeing any signs of pinning or any growth for that matter. There's no contam. or anything funky going on with it I just can't tell if I messed up or I'm missing something or just being impatient. Any info or advice would help. I included some pictures minutes after opening the bag and a few days in the Martha respectively.
Setup: martha with cool mist piped to the top and FAE fan sucking out the bottom, Inkbird humidity controller set to 80-90RH with ambient temps ranging from 75-80 Fahrenheit.



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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: girthmeister] * 1
    #28381436 - 07/01/23 02:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

patience is key here. looking good!


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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: chris77]
    #28381440 - 07/01/23 02:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

*sigh of relief*

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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: girthmeister] * 1
    #28381576 - 07/01/23 04:33 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Please edit out vendor names as they're not permitted here. It looks like, if you're growing cubes and not gourmets, or exotics, you're not really following a good, up to date tek,
or are acting on poor advice. If your cakes are doing well, it's in spite of what you're doing, rather than because of it. I would recommend that you take the tubs out of the tent,
stick them on a shelf somewhere where they get constant passive, slight air and a little light, and then leave them alone. Ignore hygrometers and such, stop misting on a schedule.
Tents usually aren't good for cubes. All of that equipment, such as fans, misters/humidifiers and so on, is likely making things worse, not better. A simple tote with a non airtight lid,
on a shelf somewhere where it gets a little ambient light, will often work much better than a tent for cubes. If you're growing gourmets, exotics however, then my advice may not apply.

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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: johnukguy]
    #28381604 - 07/01/23 05:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

why this negativity? let the guy breathe a sigh of relief, no?

surface is looking good, it's fully colonized.. there will be mushrooms, hooray, something already went in the right direction here.

but as johnukguy said, cubensis doesn't require a tent. a simple tote will do (even better).


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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: chris77] * 3
    #28381661 - 07/01/23 05:42 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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why this negativity...
as johnukguy said, cubensis doesn't require a tent. a simple tote will do (even better).




Why this enabling? (See how that works?) Enabling potentially poor practice that tends to backfire is what's negative, not pointing out that something is potentially poor, or at best unnecessary practice, which can be avoided in favour of generally better practice. You also admitted that I was correct. You can't have it both ways. If I'm correct then it's not negative but helpful. If I'm incorrect then by all means point out how and I'm happy to correct any errors. There are good reasons why many of those with experience here tend to prefer to give good advice from the start, rather than to see others persist with practices that, at some point, are likely to backfire on them and which aren't so helpful in the longer term.

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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: johnukguy]
    #28381981 - 07/02/23 01:12 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Why this enabling? (See how that works?) Enabling potentially poor practice that tends to backfire is what's negative, not pointing out that something is potentially poor, or at best unnecessary practice, which can be avoided in favour of generally better practice. You also admitted that I was correct. You can't have it both ways. If I'm correct then it's not negative but helpful. If I'm incorrect then by all means point out how and I'm happy to correct any errors. There are good reasons why many of those with experience here tend to prefer to give good advice from the start, rather than to see others persist with practices that, at some point, are likely to backfire on them and which aren't so helpful in the longer term.

'Compassion is wishing that beings be free from suffering. Idiot compassion is avoiding conflict, letting people walk all over you, not giving people a hard time when actually they need to be given a hard time. It’s “being nice,” or “being good.” It’s not compassion at all. It ends up causing us pain, and it ends up causing others pain.'

How not to practice “idiot compassion” - Bodhipaksa





ok, let me put it straight then. you are partially incorrect.

growing cubensis in a tent is not necessary, but it does not justify your statement that what he has achieved there is doing well "in spite of what he is doing"

many people grow cubensis successfully and beautifully in tents. and nothing will backfire if you do so.

so, OP, know that you can grow cubensis just as good (or better because more easily) in totes or boxes, but if you feel like using a tent and open bags or open trays, just go ahead.

blind conformity with the rules can be a big obstacle on the path to enlightenment.


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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: chris77] * 2
    #28382063 - 07/02/23 04:57 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

If the user of a martha has their surface conditions on point (somewhat rare from new cultivators), I don't feel the need to insert change into their process.  If on the other hand the surface conditions are all fucked up, I'm gonna be the first to tell them to ditch the unnecessary complications and get the basics figured out first.

Keep up those surface conditions and you'll have fruits in the very near futures girthmeister :dancer:

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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: chris77]
    #28382111 - 07/02/23 06:25 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

johnukguy said:

Why this enabling? (See how that works?) Enabling potentially poor practice that tends to backfire is what's negative, not pointing out that something is potentially poor, or at best unnecessary practice, which can be avoided in favour of generally better practice. You also admitted that I was correct. You can't have it both ways. If I'm correct then it's not negative but helpful. If I'm incorrect then by all means point out how and I'm happy to correct any errors. There are good reasons why many of those with experience here tend to prefer to give good advice from the start, rather than to see others persist with practices that, at some point, are likely to backfire on them and which aren't so helpful in the longer term.

'Compassion is wishing that beings be free from suffering. Idiot compassion is avoiding conflict, letting people walk all over you, not giving people a hard time when actually they need to be given a hard time. It’s “being nice,” or “being good.” It’s not compassion at all. It ends up causing us pain, and it ends up causing others pain.'

How not to practice “idiot compassion” - Bodhipaksa





ok, let me put it straight then. you are partially incorrect.

growing cubensis in a tent is not necessary, but it does not justify your statement that what he has achieved there is doing well "in spite of what he is doing"

many people grow cubensis successfully and beautifully in tents. and nothing will backfire if you do so.

so, OP, know that you can grow cubensis just as good (or better because more easily) in totes or boxes, but if you feel like using a tent and open bags or open trays, just go ahead.

blind conformity with the rules can be a big obstacle on the path to enlightenment.




Isnt saying someone is doing well in spite of what theyre doing, somewhat of a compliment?  That means they can navigate the complexity well.

That being said its added complexity... I dont think John was being negative, he's just not a coddler when it comes to delivering good advice. No one promotes using tents to grow cubes here; and Im quick to call that out too, in spite of someones success. Mainly because newcomers may come in, and see their successful grow, and go out and spend their hard earned money on not only unnecessary things, but things that could make things worse. Ive seen WAY more posts about peoples failures with Martha's than ive seen successes. So i think that the statement succeeding in spite of what he's doing is an accurate one.

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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: Pandaskis]
    #28382142 - 07/02/23 06:55 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

no. the way he put it, it sounded like the OP was kind of making a mistake and got lucky.

OP didn't ask to get his technique turned inside out, nor did he ask if or how he should use a tent.

from the looks he knows how to use a tent, so let's answer his question instead of playin chatty policemen? 

just my 2c

ps. i did agree with ukguy that OP would be better off growing in totes as it's easier and not necessary to use a tent for cubensis. but who am i to judge if that's what he likes to do?

that's all from me.
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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: chris77]
    #28382153 - 07/02/23 07:06 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

PS.
Johnukguy didnt even care to pay attention to the pictures posted, or he would have seen that OP is not using tubs..


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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: chris77] * 1
    #28382166 - 07/02/23 07:17 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

OP, please give yourself some time and do some research on the shroomery on modern updated teks.
It would really help you out a lot. I suggest checking the following thread out.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24144021 it will give you a head start and explanations on why things work.
They will help you understand why certain things aren't needed like a Martha tent, etc.
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It really is a patience game at this point and I would say that through means of man made forces you have come out on top.
As you take steps on your journey through learning mycology you'll understand why certain things work and why certain things sometimes work.
People here like to bicker about things sometimes, I would give it the grain of salt, listen to the Trusted Cultivators over everything else. :cheers:
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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: chris77]
    #28382171 - 07/02/23 07:23 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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no. the way he put it, it sounded like the OP was kind of making a mistake and got lucky.

OP didn't ask to get his technique turned inside out, nor did he ask if or how he should use a tent.

from the looks he knows how to use a tent, so let's answer his question instead of playin chatty policemen? 

just my 2c

ps. i did agree with ukguy that OP would be better off growing in totes as it's easier and not necessary to use a tent for cubensis. but who am i to judge if that's what he likes to do?

that's all from me.
peace, boys and girls.
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The way i see it, why skimp on good advice even if it isnt asked for? Even you said thats the advice you would give and that you agree tents arent necessary. Whether someone takes the advice or not is up to them.

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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: Pandaskis]
    #28382183 - 07/02/23 07:35 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

chris77 said:
no. the way he put it, it sounded like the OP was kind of making a mistake and got lucky.

OP didn't ask to get his technique turned inside out, nor did he ask if or how he should use a tent.

from the looks he knows how to use a tent, so let's answer his question instead of playin chatty policemen? 

just my 2c

ps. i did agree with ukguy that OP would be better off growing in totes as it's easier and not necessary to use a tent for cubensis. but who am i to judge if that's what he likes to do?

that's all from me.
peace, boys and girls.
aniccaaaaaa




The way i see it, why skimp on good advice even if it isnt asked for? Even you said thats the advice you would give and that you agree tents arent necessary. Whether someone takes the advice or not is up to them.




its cool to give good advice. sure thing!

as far as i know tents are considered overkill for cubensis. thats it.

but as the OP already has one and he is using bags atm, i wonder if that is the right moment to instruct or repeat the well worth knowledge that this forum is full of.

his bags are looking good, and he will harvest a shitload of mushrooms.

ps. i will buy a tent somewhen soon, medicinal and gourmets coming up. and i will make sure to torture you mushists with the most awesome cubensis cakes :wink:


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Re: No signs of pinning [Re: chris77] * 2
    #28382186 - 07/02/23 07:37 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Theres no better times to make corrections to your cultivation than now :smile:, i get your point though and respect it.

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