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Slow fruiting (or not fruiting at all) and veils brake very early
    #28380015 - 06/30/23 10:05 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Hi all,

Firstly - thank you all for your advices which I have read to learn about growing the mushrooms. You are the best what can be in this field. :smile:

So, now I am facing the problem - very slow fruiting (or not fruiting at all) and veils breaking very early. Photos added. I do not know what to do. I have changed rice to grains (wheat) and faced such a problem.

I have read a lot of posts but didn't find the answer to my problem. I know that light does not matter very much. And it grew perfectly under the same light which I used with rice. Temperature is max 23-24c (a little bit high to this stage, but also - it worked with rice). I have tried to use ventilator for better FAE, but it didn't worked. So - maybe the problem is with the moisture? I thought that it is too dry, so I left in water for 2 hours and later I poured out the water (about 36 hours ago). But again - it didn't worked at all. Any ideas? Is it too wet?

Thank you in advance for your time and energy... :smile:











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Re: Slow fruiting (or not fruiting at all) and veils brake very early [Re: silenceChants] * 1
    #28380024 - 06/30/23 10:23 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

There´s several things possible.
Bacteria, wrong conditions or just weak genetics.
Possibly your substrate is too wet,
brown stripes on the stem can be indicative for that.
A ventilator is a good idea to bring air into movement,
but never pointed on the tubs and in your case not necessary.
I´d loosen the upper polyfill a bit.
How did you make your spawn?

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Re: Slow fruiting (or not fruiting at all) and veils brake very early [Re: Goatrider]
    #28380119 - 06/30/23 12:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Firstly I will try to write about first stage (how I make mycelium jars) shortly.
I wash grains with cold water. Then I boil the water in a pot, take off a pot from heat, pour grains in it and leave it for 12 hours. After 12 hours I take grains from a pot, pour it out on the towel and leave it for 3 hours. I add grain to jars and then to PC, leaving for 1 hour 30 min. Further on I take jars from PC and leave it for 8 - 12 hours. After that I use my mycelium grains and add it to the new jars.
Now I have read some posts and other people write that grains should be left in water for more hours, for example 24 hours. Maybe I am doing wrong, I don't know.

And then other stage - how I make monotub.
I boil water (900 ml) in the pot, add gypsum 40g. I add 150g coco coir in the bucket and pour in boiled water. After mixing it I pour in 450ml vermiculite and I mix it again. Then I add that substrate to the jars and put in PC and leave for 30 minutes. At that time I make box: with the gloves on I stick holes with the tape, 2 times disinfect box and part of the garbage bag. When PC is done, I leave jars to cool off about 8 - 12 hours. And then I pour my colonized grain (about 800 g) with more than half of substrate into box, mix it and I add what is left of substrate (max 1 cm) as a layer on the top.

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Re: Slow fruiting (or not fruiting at all) and veils brake very early [Re: silenceChants] * 1
    #28380338 - 06/30/23 03:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Take a picture of the bottom, in focus, zoomed in. Im looking for pooling water or other excess water signs, to suggest oversaturation of the substrate.

This is hard to diagnose because some cultures/strains will put out little shits like this, and not even neccessarily a proportional flush just crap all over

However if its the water problem and the compounding water somehow hasnt effected things negatively

Pouring off excess water as best as you can, stopping misting or bottom watering

Could mean more normal fruits in a surviving substrate's 2nd flush


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I boil water (900 ml) in the pot, add gypsum 40g. I add 150g coco coir in the bucket and pour in boiled water. After mixing it I pour in 450ml vermiculite

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My eyes are worn from seeing too many things, and both my math and memory skills are subpar, but something seems a bit off with your recipe - ill just quote it so others may consider

Are you using 3 times the vermiculite of coir or am i just reading wrong?


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Re: Slow fruiting (or not fruiting at all) and veils brake very early [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #28380493 - 06/30/23 06:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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smalltalk_canceled said:
Are you using 3 times the vermiculite of coir or am i just reading wrong?




OP means 150gr dry coir, so ~ a quarter brick.
Ratio is fine :wink:

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Re: Slow fruiting (or not fruiting at all) and veils brake very early [Re: Goatrider]
    #28382296 - 07/02/23 09:10 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Yep, it was water problem. I took the top polyfill off and after ±1 day I've noticed that they are growing. :smile:

smalltalk_canceled - I add some photos in which you can see that there is water on the bottom. So I will pour it out.
About coco coir and vermiculite question - yes, as Goatrider wrote, I use 150 g dry coco coir and 450 ml (it's ml, not g) vermiculite.

Thank you again for advice!


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Re: Slow fruiting (or not fruiting at all) and veils brake very early [Re: silenceChants]
    #28383356 - 07/03/23 09:05 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Its better to be 5% drier than your goal, than ever oversaturating either grains or coir

Keep that in mind,"failing" on the dry side was a game changing enlightenment for me


Leave them alone 4-5days now in terms of misting the surface

ONLY slightly spray the walls, nothing more to the sub. Let it evaporate.


If the top coir is turning brown, you may mist it


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