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Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action * 1
    #28380022 - 06/30/23 10:21 AM (6 months, 25 days ago)

Not sure if there's been a thread about it, but I've been looking  to find people to discuss it with.

Objectively viewing things, or atleast trying to, regardless of policy, it does seem like higher education representation by under-represented minorities has only gotten worse over the past... 30 or 40 years or so.

Atleast that seems to be the case with advanced degrees.



I just wish people on both sides of the matter were more honest about their self interests, guised as motives of altruism.


But yeah, the state of education in African American demographics continues to falter.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: LiquidSmoke] * 2
    #28380028 - 06/30/23 10:29 AM (6 months, 25 days ago)

The blow back on Republican electoral politics is going to be massive. The Supreme Court is so out of touch and republicans are going to pay for it at the ballot box


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: koods] * 2
    #28380048 - 06/30/23 10:52 AM (6 months, 25 days ago)

Basing admissions on race is unconstitutional. The highest court in the land, all of whom are experts on the Constitution, have decided this.

I don't see a problem with this ruling at all.

Dems want to rule by feelings rather than worrying about what is Constitutional and what isn't.

Which is also why they are trying so hard to get rid of free speech and guns... both things they consider to be their mortal enemy.

Taking it a step further, freedom itself is something they want to do away with. To do that, the Constitution has to be torn to shreds.

If you're part of a political party that has decided the concept of 'freedom' is something society shouldn't have, then you may want to reconsider your priorities.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: chopstick]
    #28380058 - 06/30/23 11:07 AM (6 months, 25 days ago)

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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: CapSlinger]
    #28380149 - 06/30/23 12:21 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

Chop is so free his house will get taken when he gets sick.

All of these long term policies that Republican judges are over turning will come back to bite all of us in the ass. The context of affirmative action is not what it gets portrayed to be by the retards on the right. Literally, schools where denying black applicants because they were black. It has nothing to do with filling spots that white people could be in, or merit, or anything of the stupid shit arguments the right loves to make. Schools were straight up racist in their selections. Just like a lot of the right wing tards today.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: christopera]
    #28380241 - 06/30/23 02:00 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

White people benefit from academic affirmative action. White enrollment at Harvard will go down because of this ruling


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: koods]
    #28380321 - 06/30/23 03:41 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

What I want to know is who would want to go to Harvard if when you came out you thought it would be ok to be a traitor like ted cruz and josh holly?
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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: chopstick]
    #28380346 - 06/30/23 04:03 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

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chopstick said:

Taking it a step further, freedom itself is something they want to do away with. To do that, the Constitution has to be torn to shreds.

If you're part of a political party that has decided the concept of 'freedom' is something society shouldn't have, then you may want to reconsider your priorities.




- Banning books

- Don't say gay

- Don't be gay (or trans, bi, etc)

- Impose a Christian theocracy

Feel free to add to the list


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: VP123]
    #28380444 - 06/30/23 05:22 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

Literally taking away a right that existed for 50 years


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: koods]
    #28380607 - 06/30/23 07:52 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

the potential damage of a corrupt supreme court is so far reaching.

maybe we wont get fair elections

maybe the voting districts will be further skewed.

maybe wyomings voters will count even MORE than they already do for presidents.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: koods]
    #28381059 - 07/01/23 06:44 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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White people benefit from academic affirmative action. White enrollment at Harvard will go down because of this ruling




It's a big win for Asians and Jews.

It's ironic that white people fought against affirmative action thinking it would help them against unfair advantages given to blacks; maybe at Southeast Central Louisiana Mining and Military. The elite schools lost their mechanism to limit Asian overrepresentation, cause God knows they got the test scores. Not just Chinese Americans but hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals too.

Ending affirmative action must have sounded like such a good conservative talking point. Unintended consequences can come back to bite you, but educated people knew for decades exactly what consequences would result from merit-based university admissions.

This is what happens when Clarence Thomas is the best legal mind on the right.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28381062 - 07/01/23 06:49 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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koods said:
White people benefit from academic affirmative action. White enrollment at Harvard will go down because of this ruling




It's a big win for Asians and Jews.

It's ironic that white people fought against affirmative action thinking it would help them against unfair advantages given to blacks; maybe at Southeast Central Louisiana Mining and Military. The elite schools lost their mechanism to limit Asian overrepresentation, cause God knows they got the test scores. Not just Chinese Americans but hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals too.

Ending affirmative action must have sounded like such a good conservative talking point. Unintended consequences can come back to bite you, but educated people knew for decades exactly what consequences would result from merit-based university admissions.

This is what happens when Clarence Thomas is the best legal mind on the right.



You beat me to it. White people are practically gonna be locked out of a lot of schools. Good job republotards.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28381085 - 07/01/23 07:21 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

The elite schools do have other methods. Some have made test scores optional. Harvard has been weighing in extracurricular activities such as athletics, even intramural. Whites do have more time for extracurricular activities, because Asians spend all their time studying.

Many years ago I got into an argument with somebody here because I cited a quote from the admissions director of Stanford. She said if they went completely with academic merit based criteria the whole student body would be Asian except for some Jews.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28381262 - 07/01/23 10:30 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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The elite schools do have other methods. Some have made test scores optional. Harvard has been weighing in extracurricular activities such as athletics, even intramural. Whites do have more time for extracurricular activities, because Asians spend all their time studying.

Many years ago I got into an argument with somebody here because I cited a quote from the admissions director of Stanford. She said if they went completely with academic merit based criteria the whole student body would be Asian except for some Jews.




Harvard will be 90% Asian


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: koods]
    #28381358 - 07/01/23 12:17 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

Women were the biggest beneficiaries of AA. Specifically white women.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: koods]
    #28381435 - 07/01/23 02:01 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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Quote:

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The elite schools do have other methods. Some have made test scores optional. Harvard has been weighing in extracurricular activities such as athletics, even intramural. Whites do have more time for extracurricular activities, because Asians spend all their time studying.

Many years ago I got into an argument with somebody here because I cited a quote from the admissions director of Stanford. She said if they went completely with academic merit based criteria the whole student body would be Asian except for some Jews.




Harvard will be 90% Asian




95% born chinese... paid to be here by the chinese government to be sure they understand how our engineering works.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: LiquidSmoke] * 1
    #28382194 - 07/02/23 07:46 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

I think affirmative action is the figuritave cart before the horse, in that it tries to make up for a failed education system by placing its finger on the scales. Fix the schools and fix the social and economic issues impacting marginalized communities and you don't need affirmative action.

You can't treat the symptom if you don't cure the cause.

Every person has a right to a quality k-12 education, the real question is why people are still fighting to preserve the failure that is union run public education. It is in fact one of the most racist systems in our country.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #28382220 - 07/02/23 08:01 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

A cart doesn’t have fingers. Did you mean the horses fingers? Horses don’t have fingers either.


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: koods]
    #28382228 - 07/02/23 08:04 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

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A cart doesn’t have fingers. Did you mean the horses fingers? Horses don’t have fingers either.



It does when its a brony :bananahorsey:


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Re: Supreme Court rules to strike down Affirmative Action [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #28382440 - 07/02/23 11:07 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

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... Fix the schools and fix the social and economic issues impacting marginalized communities and you don't need affirmative action.
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That's fairly reasonable... but I have a feeling i'm going to be horrified by what you consider the fix to "the failure that is union run public education" is.

The teachers unions do not run the schools...


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