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Rahz
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If J.K. is a con man, why do you have his quote in your sig?
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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Rahz]
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I like the part about fashionable stupidity
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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said: If J.K. is a con man, why do you have his quote in your sig?
Mostly a con man, and not in a way where he could help but be one. I would never quote Osho, because that guy is a lot more evil than good. I've deceived people without even trying to, so I would say I'm mostly a deceiver, though not setting out to do so deliberately. I've dropped the terms of endearment for people. I address them by their names, and leave it at that. Yesterday I watched a 7 year old spill a drink on a table, and then, hoping no one seen him to do it, he said, "am I the only one who noticed that spilled drink?"
"There were two Krishnamurtis. One was the persona presented to the world through lectures and books; a man with-out ego who led a sanctified life of celibacy and high moral purity. The other Krishnamurti was a shadowy, self-centered, vain man, capable of sudden angers and enormous cruelty to friends. He was also a habitual liar. Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Cory Duchesne said: ... Yesterday I watched a 7 year old spill a drink on a table, and then, hoping no one seen him to do it, he said, "am I the only one who noticed that spilled drink?"
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the 7 year old's comment is perfectly astute. and that you watched it was perfect as well.
in a subsequent moment he felt responsible to speak out about the spill he may or may not have a clear recollection of causing the spill
it does not matter. that you saw the whole thing does not mean you saw what he was thinking during or after the spill.
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If people had to be perfect to like them I would like no one including myself.
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Rahz said: If people had to be perfect to like them I would like no one including myself.
'Perfect' is one of those words people use to express their sense that one has complied or cooperated. I still hear (see) people say that word, it's the sound one makes when favorable news has been relayed. Mr. C: "I got that paper work done you asked for." Mr. J: "perfect".
But was it though? Is it really perfect? I see no evidence of perfect.
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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I don't think compliance is a quality of perfection, but cooperation would be.
Humans aren't perfect. Turning paperwork in is when there's no other context involved.
"being entirely without fault or flaw"
If we modify the definition to "as good as it possibly can be" then everything is perfect just the way it is.
But it doesn't always seem that way. Complications and restlessness, deadlines, suffering. These are things one might find value in accepting about one's self and others while remaining curious. Although... not every period of life is or should be as such... because it's complicated and selfish and involves suffering and change.
There have been times in my life when I kept my head down and only spoke when spoken to if it seemed necessary. I suppose that was okay. Perfect in a sense. Or maybe terribly imperfect.
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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Rahz]
#28382303 - 07/02/23 09:13 AM (6 months, 24 days ago) |
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Once I realized I couldn't depend on an exit strategy, such as suicide, or getting really high on cannabis, I stopped thinking of things in terms of choice. "I have no choice but to cooperate, or to get through this" is the dominating thought that gets me through the day, week, year. As for competition, I'm not sure I see the utility of it. I never met a very competitive person who I found to be anything other than self destructive, selfish, a nuisance, etc. I used to bring a board game around with me called go! (baduk, weiqi) and anytime family emailed me asking me to come visit, I would be bring the game, as well as being prepared to play basketball or hockey. It seemed to bring out the worst in them, as if old scores still weren't settled. I heard one psychologist (Sam Vaknin) say if you have to see family during the holidays, don't talk about sports or get involved in competitive games, because it will only exacerbate the psychological wounds and you'll see a nasty under current develop. He was right, my aunt, who was always bad tempered, started making snide remarks, and my cousin with her kids started also making painful remarks at me, as if I wasn't doing enough for them. I simply stopped showing up altogether. I just focus on the clock now, I show up on time, get my paycheck, and do everything I can to pay the bills. As for people and family, I hardly know how to pay any regard to them. I couldn't respect them even if I wanted to, and I can't seem to find it within me to love or respect hardly anyone. They all need free babysitting (very specific too) and other than that, it's someone whose a drunk nuisance, someone unaware of the embarrassing situation she's causing by expecting / wanting more from people, etc. I just do my work and go home. If I found out I got a lethal form of cancer that would kill me quickly I would feel quite fortunate.
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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I think that desire for cancer is from a feeling that nothing will ever change. The world won't change. Individuals change sometimes but it's not reliable or something I can count on. Some people are a better bet than others but even when it seems like a good bet I like to frame it as hope without expectation. That might also be a way to think about one's own life.
In my 20's I had a group of friends around my age and we would hang out at this older guys house, Tim. He was about 30, plumber and volunteer fireman, big ego, would be all personable but he was a little too full of himself. Anyway, we invented a game called football soccer. It consisted of playing soccer on a 50 yard field with a football. Was serious. We built goals and put out chalk lines and was interesting because you could kick the football on the end and make it spin across the ground in a curve. Those games would get really intense and we ended up using a ref and even then there were arguments. It was mostly Tim even though his team won the majority of games anyway. After the games everyone would let it go and no big deal.
Anyway, the point is that Tim was an arrogant ass whether we had played the game or not. He would mack on other guy's girls, started doing crack at which point I disappeared from that scene. Later learned he had started cheating with his best friends wife. Got busted for crack. Lost his status as a fireman. I think he's probably changed but I have no desire to associate with him, yet although he was an easy guy to look down on for his arrogance there were reasons. I don't blame him for being a douche bag.
I have a couple life long friends from that group. One guy Shaun was the nice quite guy who didn't stick up for himself. Now he's owns his own business, married with two beautiful daughters and walks with a little swagger although he's still one of the nicest guys I know.
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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Rahz]
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00000 edited out, not in a good frame of mind.
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Rahz]
#28382519 - 07/02/23 12:07 PM (6 months, 24 days ago) |
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"I think in an interview what they essentially want to know is how big is your dick. Everything else is superfluous. It’s like, “Just tell us that, now.” Lou Reed: I’ve lied so much about the past, I can’t tell what is true any more
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Well, my early life experiences have similarities. I "got lucky" on various occasions. Was shy and prone to infatuation which is not a good combo. I was also a drunk and didn't feel I could handle a relationship.
I did resolve a lot of issues in my 30s via meditation though it wasn't a clear cut process from point A to B and something that is continuously refined. I just don't give myself a hard time. Wanting to know what is best and making decisions without absolute clarity is hard enough.
In principle I love everyone. Tim for instance, was the youngest of three brothers. The other two were flaming homosexuals and he was accepting of it in word but I think that might have had something to do with his hyper-dominance and sexuality. But really, who knows?
Respect is a different matter. Years ago when I found an interest in etymology I learned that respect means to "look again" which to me meant one doesn't have a static image of who a person is or what they're capable of. Tim for instance may have changed but I don't respect him enough to find out.
As far as motivation towards sexual activities, there is a lot of peer pressure among the young. The people I was closest to back then never did that. Some like Shaun were quiet guys. Another guy from those days was Dave who was a 1st string QB and good with the ladies, but he didn't act superior to Shaun or myself or peer pressure me with stuff like that.
I think humans have a dual nature when it comes to sexuality. Both guys and girls generally want a partner and stability, but guys want to spread their seed and girls may not find their security and their desire in the same package. It can get messy with hurt feelings. But I can decide what is right for myself and do my best to be that without expecting the world to follow.
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In the DSM-IV, spiritual problems are defined as distressing experiences that involve a person's relationship with a transcendent being or force but are not necessarily related to an organized church or religious institution. Sometimes such experiences emerge from intensive involvement with spiritual practices such as meditation or yoga, as in the Meditation and Spiritual Practice type of spiritual problem. The connection between spiritual emergences and psychological problems was first noted by Roberto Assagioli,MD who described how persons may become inflated and grandiose as a result of intense experiences associated with spiritual practices: Instances of such confusion are not uncommon among people who become dazzled by contact with truths too great or energies too powerful for their mental capacities to grasp and their personality to assimilate. [1] (p. 36) Beginning in the 1960s, interest in Asian spiritual practices such as meditation, yoga, and tai chi, as well as experimentation with psychedelic drugs, triggered many mystical experiences and visionary experiencies, some of which were problematic for their practitioners. Whereas spiritual masters have been warning their disciples for thousands of years about the dangers of playing with mystical states, the contemporary spiritual scene is like a candy store where any casual spiritual "tourist" can sample the "goodies" that promise a variety of mystical highs. When novices who don't have the proper education or guidance begin to naively and carelessly engage mystical experiences, they are playing with fire. Danger exists on the physical and psychological levels, as well as on the level of one's continued spiritual development. (Halfway Up the Mountain: The Error of Premature Claims to Enlightenment by Mariana Caplan) Christina Grof and Stanislav Grof,MD, coined the term "spiritual emergency" and founded the Spiritual Emergency Network at the Esalen Institute in 1980 to assist individuals and make referrals to therapists for people experiencing psychological difficulties associated with spiritual practices and spontaneous spiritual experiences. Dr. Grof describes a spiritual emergency: There exist spontaneous non-ordinary states that would in the west be seen and treated as psychosis, treated mostly by suppressive medication. But if we use the observations from the study of non-ordinary states, and also from other spiritual traditions, they should really be treated as crises of transformation, or crises of spiritual opening. Something that should really be supported rather than suppressed. If properly understood and properly supported, they are actually conducive to healing and transformation. (Interview with Stanislav Grof,MD) The term spiritual emergence is used to describe the whole range of phenomena associated with spiritual experiences and development from those (probably the vast majority) which are not problematic, do not disrupt psychological/social/occupational functioning and do not involve psychotherapy or any contact with the mental health system, to spiritual emergences that are full-blown crises requiring 24-hour care. David Steindl-Rast [2], a Benedictine monk who teaches spiritual practices, has also noted that spiritual emergence can be disruptive: Spiritual emergence is a kind of birth pang in which you yourself go through to a fuller life, a deeper life, in which some areas in your life that were not yet encompassed by this fullness of life are now integrated . . . Breakthroughs are often very painful, often acute and dramatic.
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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Rahz]
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Respect is a different matter. Years ago when I found an interest in etymology I learned that respect means to "look again" which to me meant one doesn't have a static image of who a person is or what they're capable of. Tim for instance may have changed but I don't respect him enough to find out.
I learned something new. I never thought of respect as "looking again". Respect and love are the two most difficult words, at least for me. I don't have a particularly stable financial situation, I never know for sure if I can afford groceries or rent, so when I "look again" it's often at my bank balance and then the various sources of income. I suppose I respect grocery stores and their suppliers. I respect farmers. I respect people who provide cleaning products, soaps, etc. But a banker is sometimes a guy who kind of forces or coerces you into looking, or who stares. It's not quite looking, but more like staring.
“The act of staring is a thing which one does not ordinarily do to another human being; it seems to put the object stared at in a class apart. One does not talk to a monkey in a zoo, or to a freak in a sideshow— one only stares.” ― Erving Goffman, Behavior in Public Places: Notes on the Social Organization of Gatherings
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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. He would mack on other guy's girls, started doing crack at which point I disappeared from that scene. Later learned he had started cheating with his best friends wife. Got busted for crack. Lost his status as a fireman. I think he's probably changed but I have no desire to associate with him, yet although he was an easy guy to look down on for his arrogance there were reasons..
"There is nothing more ill-bred than trying to steal the affections of someone else's dog." Robert Crawley, Earl of Grantham
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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How about TRUTH IN FAITH!
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sometimes the only truth is one's faith, and their faith blinds them to truths all around them.
this is a scenario for delusion.
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"We have all become prisoners of God, miraculously without knowing it." -- Carl Jung
"The most blatant manifestations of projections is in self righteous political convictions - isms - and in passionately advocated theories, such as scientific preconceptions. As soon as tolerance and humor disappear, we presume that projections have entered the picture." - Marie Louise von Franz
So after the birth of Apollo the terrible dragon Python pursued him in order to swallow him. And as soon as Christ was born, he narrowly escaped being killed by the Herodian mass murder of boys. ~Carl Jung, Visions Seminar, Page 591
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-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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"Your true nature is that of infinite spirit. The feeling of limitation is the work of the mind." Ramana Maharshi
"Nothing comes unannounced, but many can miss the announcement. So it's very mportant to actually listen to your own intuition rather than driving through it." - Terence McKenna
You see, we like to talk about the future, about what will happen tomorrow, or in ten years, but we are singularly unable to foresee or construct the future; we only see the past, though our interest seems to be in the future. While our unconscious, on the other hand, talks of the past and actually means the future, it is always anticipating and constructing the future. ~Carl Jung, Visions Seminar, Page 902
"Laziness of which there is no awareness is indeed laziness, but to be aware of laziness is the beginning of activity." —Krishnamurti
"The most blatant manifestations of projections is in self righteous political convictions - isms - and in passionately advocated theories, such as scientific preconceptions. As soon as tolerance and humor disappear, we presume that projections have entered the picture." - Marie Louise von Franz
Tao Te Ching, Seventy-three "A brave and passionate man will kill or be killed. A brave and calm man will always preserve life. Of these two which is good and which is harmful? Some things are not favored by heaven. Who knows why? Even the sage is unsure of this."
Q. If a soul dies in babyhood or childhood, it does not seem fair because it has not had enough experience of life to win realisation? A. You do not know the child’s viewpoint! Yours is simply of the intellect. We and our children are all from God and in God. God takes care of us and our children. Animals can think like human beings. We must not imagine they are senseless creatures. Some, who have associated in contact with people, can understand words and conversations. He pointed to cow and said she could think intelligently. Individual human beings have to suffer their karmas but Isvara manages to make the best of their karmas for His purpose. God manipulates the fruits of karma; He does not add or take away from it. The subconsciousness of man is a warehouse of good and bad karma, Isvara chooses from this warehouse what He sees will best suit the spiritual evolution at the time of each man whether pleasant or painful. Thus there is nothing arbitrary. ~Conscious Immortality: Conversations with Sri Ramana Maharshi
-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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Was asked, "why do you laugh alone?" His answer: "For that reason." Ever heard of the “laughing philosopher”? Democritus was born in an ancient Greek town called Abdera and nicknamed “the laughing philosopher” due to his cheerful personality. A curious man, he sought to understand people and the world. His curiosity led him to invent numerous theories, the biggest one being the theory of happiness. Here, he sought to understand what makes one happy, leading him to declare that happiness should be the highest, noblest goal of every man’s life. Democritus never married, but he enjoyed being alone with his thoughts. He hated overeating, alcoholism, and promiscuity. Avoiding these habits enabled Democritus to lead a happier life.
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-------------------- C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know." "I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti "All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]
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