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Faith in Truth
    #28379284 - 06/29/23 05:19 PM (6 months, 26 days ago)

Why is faith in God so common but faith in truth so rare?

J. Krishnamurti was mostly a con artist. Many people are swayed and taken in by his combination of bleak, depressive pessimism and his descriptions of love and bliss. Anybody with a history of using birth control, abortions, etc, will find J. Krishnamurti 'enlightening'. He resonates with wounded people, people who share the similar psychological wound. As Aldous Huxley described him, J.K. was a hedonist. Someone who maximized the pleasure he could get out of life, while emphasizing the shoddiness, the pettiness of the world 'out there'.

When the Ego wants to help itself to pleasure, it will say whatever it has to say. Ego will tell you what you what the ego wants to hear. The ego doesn't want to hear the truth that sexual intercourse is exactly what it seems to be: for reproduction, love and family, not for pleasure or thrills.  I realize there's an industry for circumcision, condoms, porn, birth control, etc.  There's also the truth. If you think the truth, and say it, you won't need protection and control. If you live in delusion, obviously you need to be protected by condoms, abortions and controls of all kinds, and that's because you're out of control. No self control, no relationship to truth, no ability to speak truth. Just ego and delusion and with that comes all the various types of protection and control.

Sexual intercourse is for reproduction. Sperm fertilizes egg, that makes babies and children. That's the truth about sexual intercourse. It's highly unlikely that sexual intercourse is for personal enjoyment. Better to have faith in what's true than put your faith in .... what? Porn? Masterbation?  Hooking up with someone whose not your age or who you don't really like?

What is the personality of a con artist?
Skilled con artists can bring out your worst traits, particularly greed, fear, and insecurity.

What does a romance scammer say?
Tell-Tale Signs You're Falling for a Romance Scam:
The scammer will often use endearing, loving terms such as “dear,” “darling,” and “love of my life.” And they'll attribute the budding romance to destiny or fate, making the victim feel as special as possible. Romance scammers may also propose marriage extremely quickly.

What are the signs of a con artist?
How to Spot a Con Artist
Rule Number 1: Con Artists Do Not Like To Be Found. ...
Rule Number 2: Con Artists Dress For Success. ...
Rule Number 3: Con Artists Often Push Poorly Understood Financial Products. ...
Rule Number 4: Con Artists Bring Out The Worst In You. ...
Rule Number 5: Con Artists Are Fair Weather Friends.

What is the psychological profile of a scammer?
What are the main psychological tactics scammers use to trick their victims? According to Dr Brooks, there are three main psychological techniques scammers are currently using to trick people – time pressure and illusions of scarcity, authority bias and greed and status.

What is the most common fraud committed?
By far, the most common type of fraud is the imposter scam, where someone represents themselves as someone they are not to extract money or personal information from their victim.

Video recording on this topic of truth, faith and relationship:



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28379300 - 06/29/23 05:35 PM (6 months, 26 days ago)

I value honesty tremendously.

Is this about honesty?

(is there a transcript of the video? I'm a bit deaf)


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28379405 - 06/29/23 06:50 PM (6 months, 26 days ago)

You're not mixing up J.K. with Osho are you? J.K. was offered the stewardship of the Order of the Star as the "World Teacher" and turned it down. And maybe I'm unaware but I don't remember him talking about sex for pleasure.


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #28379891 - 06/30/23 07:53 AM (6 months, 26 days ago)

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You're not mixing up J.K. with Osho are you? J.K. was offered the stewardship of the Order of the Star as the "World Teacher" and turned it down. And maybe I'm unaware but I don't remember him talking about sex for pleasure.




He didn't talk about having sex for pleasure precisely because he had sex for pleasure and it turned into a painful vendetta against his financier, Rajapol. J.K. might have turned down the theosophy position, but he kept that position financially, starting schools all over the world in his name where he continued to teach. He just negated the content of theosophy with it's emphasis on astral bodies, reincarnation and occult powers. The noteworthy thing is what he kept doing - he did group dialogues until the end of his life, and one of his last remarks was something along the lines of 'nobody has got it' (referring to what he was teaching). What was he teaching? Sensitivity to nature aesthetically, the unity between observer and observed, keeping the body healthy, and his question, what are we going to do about the computer? He saw the future with the computer as grim. J.K. was not willing to let go of his engagement with the crowd, as he seen no point in resisting people's interest. Any questions about his personal sex life were regarded as 'impertinent'.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


Edited by Cory Duchesne (06/30/23 07:58 AM)


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Cory Duchesne] * 1
    #28379943 - 06/30/23 08:49 AM (6 months, 26 days ago)

Why try wrapping your mind about all this negative projections?  Nothing good to come to terms of truths in negativities.

Hilarious your detail to sex.  Just as a body massage sex acts as deeper, inner massage.

Enjoy yourself.


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28379964 - 06/30/23 09:18 AM (6 months, 26 days ago)

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He didn't talk about having sex for pleasure precisely because he had sex for pleasure and it turned into a painful vendetta against his financier, Rajapol. J.K. might have turned down the theosophy position, but he kept that position financially, starting schools all over the world in his name where he continued to teach. He just negated the content of theosophy with it's emphasis on astral bodies, reincarnation and occult powers. The noteworthy thing is what he kept doing - he did group dialogues until the end of his life, and one of his last remarks was something along the lines of 'nobody has got it' (referring to what he was teaching). What was he teaching? Sensitivity to nature aesthetically, the unity between observer and observed, keeping the body healthy, and his question, what are we going to do about the computer? He saw the future with the computer as grim. J.K. was not willing to let go of his engagement with the crowd, as he seen no point in resisting people's interest. Any questions about his personal sex life were regarded as 'impertinent'.




He did talk about sex in the context of contextual emotional attachment which is different than bangin' hot chicks. He had an affair, which isn't cool but not exactly a wild hedonist, unless like I said, I'm not aware of other shenanigans. He was not a flawless person but his teachings were along the same lines as that of The Buddha.

I think when someone hopes to make a fundamental difference to society they're headed for a let down. It reminds me of Mother Theresa who in a letter towards the end of her life described it as being wasted.

J.K.'s net worth was a couple million in todays dollars. Osho was worth much more than that and encouraged sex for liberation.

At any rate, it would be a mistake to think of J.K. as an enlightened being along the same lines as a conceptual Buddha. There have been others who have taken the concepts further without being public about it. He was an interesting person with interesting things to say that are thought provoking.


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Rahz]
    #28380088 - 06/30/23 11:44 AM (6 months, 26 days ago)

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He did talk about sex in the context of contextual emotional attachment which is different than bangin' hot chicks. He had an affair, which isn't cool but not exactly a wild hedonist, unless like I said, I'm not aware of other shenanigans.




Correct, JK was not a wild hedonist, rather a subtle and refined one, and that caused him more pain than it otherwise would. A wild hedonist is what I would call Osho. Osho was a wild hedonist and his reliance on things like nitrous oxide and who knows what other drugs means he would have suffered less. I don't believe Osho had much of a conscience. Osho was a true confidence (con) man, and the fear and aggression that brewed beneath his followers was far more volatile (literally explosive) than the kind of company J.K. kept.

J.K. once said, describing sex, "she goes off to love someone else and one's entire emotional balance is destroyed."


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #28380103 - 06/30/23 11:52 AM (6 months, 26 days ago)

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Hilarious your detail to sex.





Truth is the funniest joke in the world. I wouldn't go there were it not for the curiosity directed at me. I learn to deal with people's questions, impositions and unexpected visits by laying it all out bare bones. Then they can think twice next time they think it's a good idea to approach me. And when I say they, I'm talking about any group of people under the age of 20. I just find it funny how I hardly get to spend time with people my own age, mostly alone at 42, and then I had this dumb situation where I had children yapping at my heels like chiwahwahs. Really aggressive, inquisitive, rude, mean, dumb children, not the kind that you might imagine or like. It's just ridiculous question after question. Banker looking for free babysitting. Othertimes, it's some older lady with borderline dementia humping up against me, fooling herself into thinking I'm going to have a romance with her. You're right, it's hilarous, I laugh too at the dumb situations life puts me in. Nothing worse than being alone, yet, "in relationship" to all things. The only peace I get is going out for a walk and buying a pack of smokes or some weed. And now they got the psychiatrist on my case telling me I can't smoke weed anymore, so I'm just left with tobacco.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28380238 - 06/30/23 01:59 PM (6 months, 26 days ago)

I find you interesting. I gave up on psychiatry in my case.


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: bookofdaniel]
    #28380285 - 06/30/23 03:08 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

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I find you interesting. I gave up on psychiatry in my case.




I've been involuntarily committed, meaning, the police can show up and take me the psychiatric ward. Last time the police came, they took me to the ward and kept me there for one month. One full month in the hospital. The only time I could go outside was for a smoke break a few times a day, 15 min breaks. The psychiatrist prescribed an injection of abilify, every month I am injected by a nurse with a needle. She's kind of obnoxious. I essentially have a police man with a gun to my head forcing me to go to a psychiatrist and nurse to receive abilify injections, this is while the landlord exacts his due. I work part time at the grocery store during night shifts so I can afford groceries. Rent money comes from disability benefits for bipolar disorder. It really is a shit life here in Nova Scotia, Canada, at least for me. I requested assisted suicide, but I no longer have power of decision. My decision maker is my father, who, as far as I can tell is in some kind of competition with me. He's in no state of mind to make my decisions, and if that's how bad things are, then they should let me have the assisted suicide. However, that's the malice inherent in the psychiatric system here, it's based on demoralizing and degrading employees as much as possible until they fall in line. Nazi medicine, is how it feels. Even if they were to let me have the assisted suicide, they wouldn't let me do it without putting me through as much hell as possible. It's not a compassionate system here, it's more like... a corporate structure nesting on the province using psychiatry and police as a kind of strong arm. Medicine being the arm of the state. It's really twisted, it's not a situation where I could happily do anything it seems. The music quality I've been producing has degraded in sound quality because that's how financially broken I've been, just got this shitty web cam and what's left of my musical equipment. I'm not looking for pity, no need to say sorry, but for the sake of my sanity I write this all out so it's plain as day.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28380314 - 06/30/23 03:33 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

"Thought, in its birth, in its origin, in its content, in its expression, and in its action is very fascist. When I use the word fascist I use it not in the political sense but to mean that thought controls and shapes our thinking and our actions. So it is a very protective mechanism. It has no doubt helped us to be what we are today. It has helped us to create our high-tech and technology. It has made our life very comfortable. It has also made it possible for us to discover the laws of nature. But thought is a very protective mechanism and is interested in its own survival. At the same time, thought is opposed fundamentally to the functioning of this living organism." U.G. Krishnamurti,
(Text sourced from https://www.organism.earth/library/document/natural-state-4)


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28380820 - 06/30/23 10:45 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

What does "the observer is the observed" mean to you guys?

I know Krishnamurti emphasized that point over and over..

I think part of it means to pay attention to self and others.


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28380921 - 07/01/23 02:43 AM (6 months, 25 days ago)

A meaning for me is that if we try to identify the subject, it becomes an object. Though subject-object blends anyway.


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28381003 - 07/01/23 05:33 AM (6 months, 25 days ago)

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What does "the observer is the observed" mean to you guys?

I know Krishnamurti emphasized that point over and over..

I think part of it means to pay attention to self and others.




Alan Watts:
"That", not "is". Difference that identity, identity that difference. It means in relation to, goes with, necessarily involves, etc. When I first studied these things I was terribly bothered .. by.. how on earth how on earth I was going to see this multiple differentiated world as a unity. What would it be like to see all things as one? The sages keep saying all things are one, and they all looked to me so different. The whole world looked full of the most boney prickly differences. What is this experience of Nirvana, liberation supposed to be? A slug with a salt on it?

Music and photograph to go with "that":



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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: syncro]
    #28381032 - 07/01/23 05:54 AM (6 months, 25 days ago)

I guess it is amazing how objects are perceived from the background (unity) chorus of signals


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28381545 - 07/01/23 03:54 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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The ego doesn't want to hear the truth that sexual intercourse is exactly what it seems to be: for reproduction, love and family, not for pleasure or thrills.




Do you know that bonobos and dolphins have sexual intimacy for pleasure without reproduction?

This is a weirdly incel comment that has 1950s wife beater vibes.

It would certainly be delusional to think you have no chance of getting pregnant without birth control or condoms and having healthy bodies. Following cycles can only get you so far and is far from infallible.

Sex can result in pregnancy but it doesn't have to, and with good communication, trust and friendship, a casual relationship can blossom and bring joy to all partners involved. A commited one too.

Perhaps jealousy and fomo are big issues for some people, and I've struggled with them in the past, but being able to recognise them and valuing my own independence, I don't feel the associated ambivalence with them I used to, and it's moved beyond intimacy to benefit even my day to day living. Not feeling the ambivalence of fomo or jealousy for a myriad of general situations and encounters too.

Recognising red flags, standing up for your boundaries, having self respect and being able to walk away from a situation or person that goes beyond your boundaries is an important life skill to develop but it does take a lot of time and experience to grow.

This comes off hyper religious to me, almost like saying how marriage is only for one man and one woman, and how a woman's role is to be a birther.

Are you the kind of person who says it's selfish not to want to have kids?


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #28381554 - 07/01/23 04:06 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

Assisted suicide is for terminal patients in excruciating pain who will die in time and suffer thoroughly regardless.

Not for bipolar men who espouse sex as only being for reproduction.


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: sudly]
    #28381571 - 07/01/23 04:27 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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Are you the kind of person who says it's selfish not to want to have kids?




I don't have any children myself, I've always used condoms, and I've only been with three ladies in my life time. I've never gotten a lady pregnant before, so abortion was never necessary. I've never had the financial or emotional stability to think having children is a good idea. I would only have children if it made sense, which it never did. I judge things by my personal level of happiness, which is hardly any happiness at all.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: sudly]
    #28381574 - 07/01/23 04:30 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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Assisted suicide is for terminal patients in excruciating pain who will die in time and suffer thoroughly regardless.

Not for bipolar men who espouse sex as only being for reproduction.




Yeah, assisted suicide is not an option for me, so I have no choice to keep on living. I would never try to commit suicide because the chances of it failing are too high. I read about Seneca slitting his wrists and not dying, so his daughters had to cut the tendons of his ankles. I know a guy who survived a suicide attempt. Suicide sounds difficult to pull off, so, I'm not in a position to do anything but continue to live.


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: Faith in Truth [Re: sudly]
    #28381650 - 07/01/23 05:33 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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Do you know that bonobos and dolphins have sexual intimacy for pleasure without reproduction?




“Being both more systematically brutal than chimps and more empathetic than bonobos, we are by far the most bipolar ape. Our societies are never completely peaceful, never completely competitive, never ruled by sheer selfishness, and never perfectly moral.”
― Frans de Waal


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C.G. Jung: "Please remember, it is what you are that heals, not what you know."

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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