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Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties
    #28377152 - 06/27/23 09:51 PM (10 months, 16 days ago)

Elon Musk reportedly microdoses ketamine to treat depression and takes full doses of the drug at parties
June 27, 2023 - Business Insider

  • Elon Musk has told people he microdoses ketamine for depression, The Wall Street Journal reported.
  • The billionaire also takes full doses at parties, the publication said.
  • On Monday, Musk said on Twitter that ketamine is a "better option" than traditional drugs.

Elon Musk has told people he is taking small doses of ketamine to treat depression and has been seen taking the drug recreationally as well, according to a recent report from The Wall Street Journal.

The publication said the billionaire takes full doses of the drug at parties, citing individuals who have seen Musk use ketamine as well as other people with direct knowledge.

Musk did not respond to a request for comment from Insider ahead of publication. But, the Tesla CEO tweeted about the use of ketamine to treat depression less than two hours after The Journal's report was published.

"Depression is overdiagnosed in the US, but for some people it really is a brain chemistry issue," Musk tweeted in the early hours of Tuesday morning. "But zombifying people with SSRIs for sure happens way too much. From what I've seen with friends, ketamine taken occasionally is a better option."

Ketamine is a "dissociative drug" that can impact an individual's visual and auditory senses, as well as produce "detachment from reality," according to the Alcohol and Drug Foundation. The drug is commonly used in the medical field as an anesthetic, but can also be used illegally as a party drug. The drug can be sold as a white powder, dissolved into a liquid, or sold in pill form.

The use of ketamine to treat depression has been studied in some clinical trials and it could prove to be a new frontier for treatment. The US Food and Drug Administration hasn't officially approved ketamine for treating mental health issues, but for over a decade some medical professionals have prescribed the drug off-label to some patients.

Musk is reportedly one of several executives in Silicon Valley to try his hand at psychedelics. Google cofounder Sergey Brin has taken psilocybin mushrooms, The Journal reported, citing people familiar with his use of the drug. Insider previously reported that Brin attended a party in Los Angeles last summer where guests openly consumed psychedelic mushrooms and has been said by peers to have an interest in psychedelic drugs in general. Similarly, members of the Founders Fund — an elite San Francisco venture capital firm that has invested in major companies like SpaceX, Airbnb, and Spotify — have been known to throw parties with psychedelics, the publication said.

Spokespeople for Brin and the Founders Fund did not respond to a request for comment ahead of publication. But, a spokesperson for the Founders Fund told The Journal: "Research shows that psychedelics can provide significant mental health benefits, and we support public and private sector efforts to make these drugs safely and legally available."

Microdosing, the practice of taking very small amount of a drug, has become a common practice in Silicon Valley, where executives take tiny amounts of drugs like LSD to in an effort to boost their creativity and focus.  Insider previously reported that the jury is out on whether the drugs are effective. Though, many psychedelics are illegal.

Musk has gotten in hot water in the past for using drugs. In 2022, the billionaire said he and the "whole of SpaceX" had to be drug tested for a year after he smoked weed on a podcast with Joe Rogan in 2018. And Tesla board members expressed concern when the CEO told The New Times in 2018 that he'd begun using Ambien to sleep.

Last year, The New York Times reported that the billionaire often likes to discuss the benefits of psychedelic drugs with friends and has gone to nearly every Burning Man festival for the past 20 years.

"I have been with him on mild exploratory journeys," David Marglin, a Bay Area lawyer who met Mr. Musk at Burning Man and has been his friend for 20 years, told the Times in 2022. "And he appreciates the value of those journeys. Nothing out of control or wild, but it's all night, and there's dancing and revelry."

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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: veggie] * 2
    #28377345 - 06/28/23 05:11 AM (10 months, 16 days ago)

Good for him.  When you are rich enough drug laws that are so inane don't apply to him and he can write about it.

Please beat the shit out of Zuck the pussy in the octagon in Vegas.  I will pay to watch it.:murray:

God throw in fat and globalist eat bugs billionaire globalist Gates as well, two on one.  Musk will come out on top and save this shit world from these two power over all people.  The peasants.

One can dream.  Reality just really sucks the way things are going.  Fent, just say no and endure life.  At least woke culture is dying a slow death.

Edited by Barnaby (06/28/23 05:18 AM)

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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28377955 - 06/28/23 03:38 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

Fuck this dude. He’s bad for society.


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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: Barnaby]
    #28378125 - 06/28/23 06:36 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Barnaby said:
Good for him.  When you are rich enough drug laws that are so inane don't apply to him and he can write about it.

Please beat the shit out of Zuck the pussy in the octagon in Vegas.  I will pay to watch it.:murray:

God throw in fat and globalist eat bugs billionaire globalist Gates as well, two on one.  Musk will come out on top and save this shit world from these two power over all people.  The peasants.

One can dream.  Reality just really sucks the way things are going.  Fent, just say no and endure life.  At least woke culture is dying a slow death.



:wtf3:


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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: GenericHero]
    #28378208 - 06/28/23 08:22 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

:lol:


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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28378396 - 06/28/23 10:45 PM (10 months, 15 days ago)

I cant get any this isnt fair if i was a billionaire or put effort into i could but it should be easy for me as it it for him, he gets some lackey to go get it im sure, im going to get some though


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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: GenericHero]
    #28379218 - 06/29/23 04:20 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

Yeah.

Thanks for the insightful post.  God there are so many fucking idiots on this website.  Has dissolved.

Enjoy the end of pride month.:glittershitz:

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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: Barnaby] * 1
    #28379270 - 06/29/23 05:08 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

The use of an animal tranquilizer seems like treating depression with a depressant.

Is this actually an autistic person treating over stimulation?

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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #28379273 - 06/29/23 05:10 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

I think that could hold weight...


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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: ashfiken]
    #28379371 - 06/29/23 06:31 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

Give a tweet to Elon Musk on Twitter with all that knowledge and evidence you procured and an agreement by a yes man, with nothing to back it up at all, just a shroomery yes poster, I belong person, and see if he thinks both of you are idiots or intelligent people.

He does answer tweets at times, but not by dumb shit people.  His life and yours and yes man.  How does it compare?  Seems he is doing quite a lot better in life.

:shrug:

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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: Barnaby]
    #28379381 - 06/29/23 06:36 PM (10 months, 14 days ago)

Quote:

he'd begun using Ambien to sleep.




:spock:

I have thought of a solution to his rocket problem.

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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: Barnaby]
    #28379757 - 06/30/23 04:49 AM (10 months, 14 days ago)

Quote:

Barnaby said:
Give a tweet to Elon Musk on Twitter with all that knowledge and evidence you procured and an agreement by a yes man, with nothing to back it up at all, just a shroomery yes poster, I belong person, and see if he thinks both of you are idiots or intelligent people.

He does answer tweets at times, but not by dumb shit people.  His life and yours and yes man.  How does it compare?  Seems he is doing quite a lot better in life.

:shrug:




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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: ashfiken]
    #28379990 - 06/30/23 09:43 AM (10 months, 14 days ago)

And watch, with publication to article, his investment increase in value.


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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28389451 - 07/08/23 03:13 PM (10 months, 5 days ago)

A report that Elon Musk uses ketamine could put his security clearance at risk
July 8, 2023 - Business Insider

  • The Wall Street Journal reported last month that Elon Musk uses ketamine, a controlled substance, at parties.
  • The claim could put his security clearance at risk, two attorneys told Insider.
  • NASA and the Air Force previously investigated Musk for smoking pot.

A recent report in the Wall Street Journal that Elon Musk uses ketamine at parties could prompt an investigation into his security clearance, two attorneys who specialize in national security law told Insider.

The billionaire CEO of SpaceX and Tesla has a history of running afoul of the rigid standards that the federal government applies to defense contractors, specifically around drug use. The Defense Department reviewed Musk's clearance in 2019, Bloomberg and CNBC reported, after he appeared to smoke marijuana on Joe Rogan's podcast.

The Journal reported last month that Musk "microdoses ketamine for depression, and he also takes full doses of ketamine at parties," citing people who witnessed Musk taking the drug as well as people with "direct knowledge" of his use. While Musk did not comment directly on the report, he has since Tweeted approvingly of ketamine use to treat depression. Insider has not independently confirmed the Journal's reporting.

Drug use is typically grounds for the government to yank someone's security clearance, the two national security attorneys told Insider. While the government has lightened up in recent years on the use of marijuana, it takes ketamine, a hallucinogen, seriously, they said.

Dan Meyer, a national security attorney at Tully Rinckey's DC office, and Alan Edmunds, whose firm specializes in fighting security clearance denials and revocations, both said they would expect the federal agency in charge of security clearances to open an investigation into Musk in the wake of the Journal report.

In the government's view, "someone who takes a cavalier approach to drug use may take a cavalier approach to the handling of classified information," Meyer said.

Bloomberg reported in 2019 that Musk had been granted a security clearance in connection with SpaceX's contract to launch spy satellites into orbit for the National Reconnaissance Office. SpaceX also has contracts with the Air Force and NASA. Earlier this year, a SpaceX rocket launched a classified payload for the Space Force.

Musk did not respond to a request for comment. SpaceX and the head of Musk's family office also did not respond to requests for comment. The Defense Department, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency, and the Air Force declined to comment on the status of Musk's security clearance, and also declined to comment on whether ketamine use is grounds for revoking a security clearance. A NASA spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

Retaining security clearances is so crucial for defense contractors that some of SpaceX's publicly-traded competitors disclose the possibility of executives losing them as a material risk, according to a review of SEC filings for companies including Spirit AeroSystems, Leonardo, and Terran Orbital.

There is no evidence that the government has opened a review of Musk's clearance. But if it does, he will have the right to respond, Edmunds said.

Mark Zaid, a national security lawyer, said using ketamine may be less risky than marijuana because ketamine, a so-called schedule III drug, can be legally prescribed under federal law. Marijuana can't, even though many states allow it.

He said the claim that Musk used the drug at parties "definitely raises questions," though he said he can't guess at what Musk's doctor might have told him.

Musk's clearance was previously under review

Ketamine, a controlled substance used primarily as an intravenous anesthetic in hospitals, has become more widespread in recent years as an off-label treatment for depression and other psychiatric disorders. Its use flourished under a COVID-era order allowing physicians to prescribe controlled substances in telehealth appointments.

It also has a long history of illegal use as a party drug. The FDA has not approved it as a treatment for depression (though a ketamine derivative, esketamine, is approved). Security clearance applicants are specifically required to disclose whether they have used ketamine on SF-86, the standard application form used to apply for a clearance.

Musk's public drug use has landed him in hot water with federal defense agencies in the past.

In 2018, he appeared to smoke pot on Joe Rogan's video-streamed podcast, after Rogan handed him a massive spliff.

"You want some of it? You probably can't because of stockholders, right?" Rogan said.

Musk replied, "I mean it's legal, right?" and took a drag.

The brief puff touched off a firestorm of consternation.

The federal government launched an investigation that included random drug tests for Musk and every SpaceX employee for a year, Musk said on the "Full Send" podcast last year.

"The consequences for me and for SpaceX were actually not good," the tech billionaire said, adding that he had received  "a lot of backlash," over the incident, including from competitors.

NASA paid SpaceX $5 million in 2019 to conduct a safety and culture review, according to federal contracting documents, in part to ensure the company's "adherence to a drug-free environment," an agency spokesperson told the Washington Post at the time. In the contract, first reported by Politico, NASA said that the review was "essential for the integrity of the United States space program."

A former US military official, who asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of questions related to Musk's clearance but whose identity is known to Insider, said federal government policy is to periodically test urine samples from people with security clearances to check whether they're using illicit drugs. It's not clear, they added, whether that requirement is enforced equally across all clearance-holders.

Edmunds, the security clearance attorney, said that in his experience, there is a "very prevalent" double standard for security clearance infractions, wherein defense contracting executives and higher-ranking government officials receive more permissive treatment than their subordinates.

Musk boosts the benefits of drug use

After the Rogan incident, Musk told "60 Minutes" that he didn't regularly smoke pot.

But he has spoken repeatedly about the benefits of psychotropic drugs. He is reportedly fond of pulling out a chart to explain to his friends why MDMA and psychedelics are healthier than alcohol, the New York Times reported last year.

"Psychedelics and MDMA can make a real difference to mental health, especially for extreme depression and PTSD," he tweeted last year. "We should take this seriously."

Musk has also said he regularly uses Ambien as a sleep aid. Tesla board members, though, have expressed concerns that Musk abuses the drug, and that it fuels insensible late-night antics on Twitter, the New York Times reported.

After midnight on November 3, 2018, Musk sent a bizarre string of tweets about sponges. "20 mg ambien?" OpenAI founder Sam Altman responded.

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Re: Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression, takes full doses at parties [Re: veggie]
    #28389866 - 07/08/23 11:08 PM (10 months, 5 days ago)

Neither my politics nor my take on religion is strictly against intentional use of a GRAS drug as a sort of thought experiment.

Integrate the dissociated parts. Detox and practice mental hygiene.

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