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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: Chamo]
    #28376928 - 06/27/23 06:52 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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jacbpdx said:
You could also research on how ‘cloning’ works across all biology. That will help answer your question as well. A clone is an EXACT genetic replica…hence the word ‘clone’.

Noun: Biology-
an organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical

There’s no debate





Sir, are you saying that in a clone like this, that there is only one set of genes at play?







Please answer this original question


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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: jacbpdx] * 1
    #28376931 - 06/27/23 06:56 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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jacbpdx said: True confidence is being able to change one’s mind




yes you do sound condescending. But not in a “you are so smart” kind of way. Condescending in the way that you are saying things demonstrably untrue and giving simplistic explanations with colored pictures, flaunting a degree…all while contradicting yourself in your own arguments and making factually incorrect statements

You should take your own advice.

Tri was originally trying to bring up an interesting topic and you just starting talking down to him.


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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: Grungeman17]
    #28377048 - 06/27/23 08:14 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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This threadmade me smile, I had people (mods) flat out say dehydrators were never really a point of contention or have been a thing of dialog in the community and mostly people wanting to blame their weak batches on dehydrators. I know how I feel about them, and that is I dont...I don't care how you wanna dry your shrooms and will not push anybody in any direction. But its my personal belief that "rapid drying" not heat itself per se, but the rapidness at which you draw out moisture may have an effect. I prefer a 2 step fan and desiccant chamber setup to a more convenient and straight forward dehydrator. I wont risk my harvest in one. It works great for some people and their product, I had some weird results along time back using them. Its been a long point of contention though thats for damn sure. Do what works for you.



The problem with dessiccants is they don't work well at low humidities so there's a limit how dry they can get the mushrooms. All they can really do is lower the humidity to the point they stop working, 30-40% RH. That may be good enough but if you want absolute dryness you get that with heat.


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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: Kizzle]
    #28377088 - 06/27/23 08:39 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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The problem with dessiccants is they don't work well at low humidities so there's a limit how dry they can get the mushrooms. All they can really do is lower the humidity to the point they stop working, 30-40% RH. That may be good enough but if you want absolute dryness you get that with heat.



:whathesaid: 

Dehydrators are really the best way to go.

Crank it up on the highest temp and run it until the largest fruit is cracker dry.

The faster you can dry the fruits, a higher potency retention is likely.

Load the dry fruits into mason jars and drop a couple of desiccant packs in for storage.

I find this method to be the best outside of vacuum sealing.


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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: Tormato]
    #28377101 - 06/27/23 08:57 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

It's nice to see a couple TC's weighing in being productive
This thread has been the most boring pissing match for a while now

Like Tormato said, dehydrator, mason jar, desiccant packs, and I like to add 2-3 oxygen absorber packs as well


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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #28377398 - 06/28/23 06:50 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

TEAM fan, paper lunch sacks and damprid all the way. Try taking the shrooms and sticking them in lunch sacks inside the actuall damprid container itself with the lid back on. You'll have to change th bags out like 2 or 3 times because thats where your moisture ends up. By the end of 5 days they are dryer than your ex girl friend. Im not sure about this "only so dry" stuff with damp rid, the shit litteral sucks the moisture out of my skin. And I absolutely believe that rapid drying is NOT what is needed fo potency retention. I belive its a slow and steady drying process aimed for within a week to wrap up its exposure to air, that I have had the most stable results.


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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: Grungeman17] * 1
    #28377454 - 06/28/23 07:59 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

Moisture allows for degradation.  Get it dry quicker and those processes stop sooner

I seriously think you likely had some weak batches when you used a dehydrator and are confusing correlation with causation


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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: jacbpdx] * 2
    #28377550 - 06/28/23 09:11 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

Jacbpdx

Have you seen the advancements made with ascomycota mating like cordyceps mating types and strain development? They are using serial dilution and microscopically mating single spores to yield new strains for consistent characteristics and genetics

Also I do have to point out that you keep stating a clone reproduces asexually but that’s hilarious and truly flawed logic….. a clone of a fruit body is the product of a mating pair lmao, so in essence when you clone fruit bodies all you’re doing is spreading that same mating pair , a fruit body would not have its own singular DNA sequence like that of a haploid spore the fruit body is a spore barring structure comprised of multiple compatible mycelial DNA sequences so when you take a tissue sample from a fruit body you are essentially only re-propagating the parent mycelium instead of a new singular genetic code

Asexual would refer to it being cloned from a monokaryon and able to bare spores without needing any additional dna from a compatible mating type so therefore the mycelium propagated from that clone is actually heterothallic and if I remember correctly almost all  agaricomycetes are dikaryotic and monokaryon are sterile and unable to reproduce

This for me at least, this discredits your claims to being an accredited mycologists or microbiologist, this should be common knowledge for someone of that stature and you have demonstrated otherwise


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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #28377556 - 06/28/23 09:16 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

Lol "moisture allows for degradation" prolnged moisture past harvest allows for other organisms to thrive and decompose your "food" mushrooms are 90 peecwnt moisture lol and I guess they're inherently degrative why they are growing?, i'm almost certain that prolonged air exposure followed by UV are the most degradative processes. My veiw is that rapid drying in certain circumstances can have a purging effect. I dont believe rapid drying is where its at. Slow and steady most of the time wins the race. Are they exposed to "air" a little longer YES. But its clear alot of people have had differing results, are there people that prolly blamed some bad batches on dehydrators sure.. but ive had a string of disappointments that majestically stopped when I switched up my drying process. So it really is just gonna be up to the individual. But I dont believe every last occurrence is "weak shrooms" from the rip... theres a factor at play we don't fully understand likely.


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Re: dehydration and potency myths [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #28377576 - 06/28/23 09:38 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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Moisture allows for degradation.  Get it dry quicker and those processes stop sooner

I seriously think you likely had some weak batches when you used a dehydrator and are confusing correlation with causation





I’m intrigued according to this logic why lyophilization wouldn’t be a faster method of stopping the degradation if it’s a time/oxygen/water Catalytic effect

Lyophilization:

Pros

-Flash freezes (very short time)

-removes oxygen because it’s under a vacuum

Desiccates fruit bodies without heat/light/oxygen

Cons

-cell walls rupture during freezing

Ancedotal evidence:

Blueing reaction has been proven to be a direct response to the degradation of psilocin/psilocybin

Freeze dried fruits show no signs of blueing reaction from the lyophilization process itself


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