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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: BeefSupremeJr] * 2
    #28376954 - 06/27/23 07:14 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

I’m about to change my username to DakotaFanning. :rant::lol:


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] * 1
    #28376970 - 06/27/23 07:24 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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Actually, sublimation is defined as going from the solid state directly to the gaseous state.



Yeah I realized my idiot mistake after clicking send, which is what usually happens.

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Fucking textbook. Love it.

Now how do we quantify it? What are the limits? Too much? Too little? What are our indicators?



Unless I'm stupid, which go ahead and rack my knuckles if I am, water vapor measured in the air is called Humidity.
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You're right that is humidity but I asked about evaporation.
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You have not seen an effect. If my experience tells me it does not hurt and can be beneficial in ways, what makes you correct if there is no way to quantify it?

You seem to like to use the quantification argument to downplay other theories, but you realize that it blows your argument out of the water as well?

I am using meters and my experience over the years leans towards a benefit to occasional fanning,

Your experience says that it doesn’t do any good, then do not fan. If there is no way to quantify it then arguing beyond that point is useless for both sides, by the “damn” definition of the word.

And do not tell me I’m the one who continues it lol I say let it go



You're the one that said it has not noticeable effects on grows dude, not me. Now it has a noticeable benefit?


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] * 2
    #28376974 - 06/27/23 07:27 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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I completely agree with everything you said




You just agreed fanning is useless if you have a dialed in monotub? Isnt that the point sirpsycho was trying to get to? .____.

Ive been a proselyte when it comes to condemning fanning, as you can tell, i argued against you in a few forums. saying that It can be harmful at worst and useless at best. CO2 doesnt just collect in the bottom of the tub, so it doesnt really need to be "moved around" by fanning to remove it. 

Can we at least agree on that?


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Pandaskis] * 1
    #28376980 - 06/27/23 07:30 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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Chamo said:
I completely agree with everything you said




You just agreed fanning is useless if you have a dialed in monotub? Isnt that the point sirpsycho was trying to get to? .____.

Ive been a proselyte when it comes to condemning fanning, as you can tell, i argued against you in a few forums. saying that It can be harmful at worst and useless at best. CO2 doesnt just collect in the bottom of the tub, so it doesnt really need to be "moved around" by fanning to remove it. 

Can we at least agree on that?



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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Pandaskis]
    #28376993 - 06/27/23 07:38 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

Shhh I was trying to diffuse the situation and you called me out lol

I agree that co2 doesn’t collect at the bottom of the tub. It mixes with the air. I’m totally on board with what you guys are saying about just dialing it in and letting it do the work. It’s sufficient.

I was just making the point that if there is no way to quantify these things, how do we quantify “dialed in” or “surface climate”. There is not a great way to quantify any of it. So i also agree with stipe about that.

If there is no way to quantify it either way, It just comes down to personal experience and preference.

If your grow design works well by just leaving the conditions alone why would you change it? I’m not suggesting that you do.

If it can’t be quantified either way, as has been said here, then it basically means nothing for either side of the debate.

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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28376996 - 06/27/23 07:40 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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SirPsycho said:
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Chamo said:
I completely agree with everything you said




You just agreed fanning is useless if you have a dialed in monotub? Isnt that the point sirpsycho was trying to get to? .____.

Ive been a proselyte when it comes to condemning fanning, as you can tell, i argued against you in a few forums. saying that It can be harmful at worst and useless at best. CO2 doesnt just collect in the bottom of the tub, so it doesnt really need to be "moved around" by fanning to remove it. 

Can we at least agree on that?



Cognitive dissonance is a bitch




Hey man, I thought we were cool. I guess you’re just used to everyone telling you that you are right.


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] * 1
    #28377004 - 06/27/23 07:45 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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Chamo said:
I completely agree with everything you said




You just agreed fanning is useless if you have a dialed in monotub? Isnt that the point sirpsycho was trying to get to? .____.

Ive been a proselyte when it comes to condemning fanning, as you can tell, i argued against you in a few forums. saying that It can be harmful at worst and useless at best. CO2 doesnt just collect in the bottom of the tub, so it doesnt really need to be "moved around" by fanning to remove it. 

Can we at least agree on that?



Cognitive dissonance is a bitch




Hey man, I thought we were cool. I guess you’re just used to everyone telling you that you are right.



Yeah dude, that's exactly it.


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] * 1
    #28377006 - 06/27/23 07:46 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

I agree quantifying is a moot point; I find this hobby is more about visual cues more than anything.

Every grow is unique in a way so we learn ways to adapt. :strokebeard2:

As for CO2 I've only seen this relevant to gourmet species in which case an adequate intake and exhaust system handles the build up.


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Tormato] * 3
    #28377009 - 06/27/23 07:50 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

We’ve gotta do something about these blue oyster farts causing global warming


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Tormato]
    #28377010 - 06/27/23 07:50 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

I didn’t mention fanning to start a debate. I was relating it to evaporation. It had never occurred to me that someone might fan for evaporation. I always understood that fanning (if you choose to do it) was for replacing the air. I learned something. I don’t care if someone fans or doesn’t.


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Tormato] * 3
    #28377011 - 06/27/23 07:51 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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I agree quantifying is a moot point; I find this hobby is more about visual cues more than anything.

Every grow is unique in a way so we learn ways to adapt. :strokebeard2:

As for CO2 I've only seen this relevant to gourmet species in which case an adequate intake and exhaust system handles the build up.



That's actually what I'm getting at with this quantify questions we can't do shit with this evaporation or CO2 talk cause we have no effective way to check these things.

Surface conditions on the other hand? We all know what good surface conditions look like at a glance and no I can't quantify it because it's a descriptor not a measurement.


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] * 4
    #28377014 - 06/27/23 07:55 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

I measure good surface conditions by how many tiny micro droplets. The more the gooder my surface conditions. Checkmate you fuckin atheist


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Tormato] * 1
    #28377017 - 06/27/23 07:56 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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Evaporation is secondary at best IMO.

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In best practice you want to keep the surface kinda wet, but not terribly in order to keep the mycelium surface from drying out.

We preach about microclimate and I feel that at the micro-surface of the substrate we create this environment by keeping these "beads of moisture" to assure as that the surface will not dry and thus become unfavorable for fruiting.

With the onset of Fresh Air Exchange (FAE) we simulate the open air natural environment for mushrooms to grow.

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As far as evaporation it's parts of a cycle that with out precipitation your land experiences drought conditions.

With all the being said, unless you plan on maintaining the evaporation cycle with misting and fanning (OLD TEK) just dial in your conditions as to maintain good surface hydration and allow passive air flow and you're golden.


:hatsoff::mushroom2::heart:




Would having your your tub dialed in for FAE while not drying out too fast not inherently also be dialing in your evaporation?

Seems that if there are able to be beads of moisture on the surface it would at least in part be due to the FAE and the substrate hydration being balanced enough to allow for a slow steady evaporation of moisture without drying out too quick, which is what we do to dial in our tubs right??

I feel lost the further people distinguish evaporation from humidity and surface conditions, they are 2 sides of the same coin in my brain but im a dumbass so if I need to force myself to seperate those concepts I will they just seem intrinsically entwined


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Screwup] * 3
    #28377018 - 06/27/23 07:56 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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I measure good surface conditions by how many tiny micro droplets. The more the gooder my surface conditions. Checkmate you fuckin atheist



You use calipers for that?


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] * 4
    #28377019 - 06/27/23 07:57 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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We’ve gotta do something about these blue oyster farts causing global warming



I know....shit stinks for real :argh:


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I agree quantifying is a moot point; I find this hobby is more about visual cues more than anything.

Every grow is unique in a way so we learn ways to adapt. :strokebeard2:

As for CO2 I've only seen this relevant to gourmet species in which case an adequate intake and exhaust system handles the build up.



That's actually what I'm getting at with this quantify questions we can't do shit with this evaporation or CO2 talk cause we have no effective way to check these things.

Surface conditions on the other hand? We all know what good surface conditions look like at a glance and no I can't quantify it because it's a descriptor not a measurement.




It's just an art form that takes times to develop like most hobbies.

We're all going to fail at some point, but it's what we learn that makes us better.

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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] * 2
    #28377021 - 06/27/23 07:58 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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Cognitive dissonance is a bitch




Hey man, I thought we were cool. I guess you’re just used to everyone telling you that you are right.



Yeah dude, that's exactly it.




I love it when I have the one guy on ignore who talks the most and knows the least. Then when reasonable people reply to him, it looks like the reasonable person is crazy and yelling at himself.


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28377029 - 06/27/23 08:01 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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SirPsycho said:
Quote:

Tormato said:
I agree quantifying is a moot point; I find this hobby is more about visual cues more than anything.

Every grow is unique in a way so we learn ways to adapt. :strokebeard2:

As for CO2 I've only seen this relevant to gourmet species in which case an adequate intake and exhaust system handles the build up.



That's actually what I'm getting at with this quantify questions we can't do shit with this evaporation or CO2 talk cause we have no effective way to check these things.

Surface conditions on the other hand? We all know what good surface conditions look like at a glance and no I can't quantify it because it's a descriptor not a measurement.




But psycho, you could quantify co2. You could quantify evaporation rates in the substrate by weighing them. You can quantify a lot of environmental variables if you want to. Whether it means anything or not would be another argument.

I agree that surface conditions are reasonable to assess at a glance. But how did you achieve those surface conditions? And how do you quantify it? At that point we are talking very subjectively. And you are using descriptors as measurements.

If this is an art and there are not quantifiers, then why is your subjective experience more valid if we both arrive at the same surface conditions?

If it’s not possible to quantify then why are you arguing so aggressively for one side? I don’t know why it’s such an issue.


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] * 13
    #28377031 - 06/27/23 08:02 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

I think the real pinning triggers are the friends we made along the way.


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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] * 1
    #28377034 - 06/27/23 08:05 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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SirPsycho said:
Quote:

Tormato said:
I agree quantifying is a moot point; I find this hobby is more about visual cues more than anything.

Every grow is unique in a way so we learn ways to adapt. :strokebeard2:

As for CO2 I've only seen this relevant to gourmet species in which case an adequate intake and exhaust system handles the build up.



That's actually what I'm getting at with this quantify questions we can't do shit with this evaporation or CO2 talk cause we have no effective way to check these things.

Surface conditions on the other hand? We all know what good surface conditions look like at a glance and no I can't quantify it because it's a descriptor not a measurement.




But psycho, you could quantify co2. You could quantify evaporation rates in the substrate by weighing them. You can quantify a lot of environmental variables if you want to. Whether it means anything or not would be another argument.

I agree that surface conditions are reasonable to assess at a glance. But how did you achieve those surface conditions? And how do you quantify it? At that point we are talking very subjectively. And you are using descriptors as measurements.

If this is an art and there are not quantifiers, then why is your subjective experience more valid if we both arrive at the same surface conditions?

If it’s not possible to quantify then why are you arguing so aggressively for one side? I don’t know why it’s such an issue.



Yes, I already agreed you could but how do we?

And once again surface conditions are a descriptor. I can't ask how much surface conditions. But I can ask how much CO2 per volume or how much water turned into vapor.


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    #28377036 - 06/27/23 08:06 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

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I think the real pinning triggers are the friends we made along the way.



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