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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] 3
#28376892 - 06/27/23 06:28 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] 1
#28376893 - 06/27/23 06:30 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Seems like full colonization and FAE would be the "triggers" to switch to fruiting, temperature and humidity being more secondary variables that determine how healthy the flush is?
I agree with pandaskis take, and think thats pretty much what I was getting at as well
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Tri-Polar] 5
#28376896 - 06/27/23 06:32 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] 1
#28376899 - 06/27/23 06:33 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Chamo said: Maybe. Maybe not 
Put it this way. Think about how tight something would need to be sealed for you to suffocate then remember that this organism does well in filtered spawn containers. It needs no where near as much oxygen and pinning even happens in those filtered spawn containers.
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#28376900 - 06/27/23 06:34 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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I got got didn't I
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] 2
#28376901 - 06/27/23 06:34 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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SirPsycho said: I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret. Now, y'all can't tell anyone but the real secret is surface conditions.
Also, can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
this is what ive been waiting for, but i think has been answered a on page 2
I see realitive humidity defined but not evaporation
I define evaporation as the natural process of water changing into water vapor. 
@Chamo Fanning truly is useless, you should allow the natural processes of things to do the work for you.
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#28376909 - 06/27/23 06:37 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Actually, sublimation is defined as going from the solid state directly to the gaseous state.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] 1
#28376911 - 06/27/23 06:39 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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There is more than one pinning trigger, though. Iβm not trying to debate which is most important and in what ratios you need them. I think a lot of cubensis will grow in just about any conditions.
A fully colonized spawn bag can create pins because FAE is not the only stimulant to reproduce. If the mycelium has consumed all of its available nutrition, it can also pin.
So I donβt really see a debate. We agree. The mushrooms will grow and thrive if you can dial in the proper tub. Even with βhighβ levels of co2, it is lower than a spawn bag and it will still stimulate the same thing. I just say that people seem scared of fanning when all it can really do is help with some stale air. Maybe it helps maybe it doesnβt. It probably wouldnβt affect the grow noticeably either way.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: mushhead]
#28376912 - 06/27/23 06:39 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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SirPsycho said: I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret. Now, y'all can't tell anyone but the real secret is surface conditions.
Also, can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
this is what ive been waiting for, but i think has been answered a on page 2
I see realitive humidity defined but not evaporation
I define evaporation as the natural process of water changing into water vapor. 
@Chamo Fanning truly is useless, you should allow the natural processes of things to do the work for you.
Fucking textbook. Love it.
Now how do we quantify it? What are the limits? Too much? Too little? What are our indicators?
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] 1
#28376914 - 06/27/23 06:40 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Chamo said: It probably wouldnβt affect the grow noticeably either way.
Exactly my point, useless
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Mycolorado] 1
#28376915 - 06/27/23 06:40 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Actually, sublimation is defined as going from the solid state directly to the gaseous state.
Wait? Did I miss a ninja edit?
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#28376917 - 06/27/23 06:41 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28376919 - 06/27/23 06:44 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Well now you are just continuing a debate because you want to be correct. If it is useless, donβt do it. I donβt know if you can make that claim. But I understand how you feel about it. Itβs okay brotha
I was talking about evaporation. And we agree on that.
But how do you say evaporation rates canβt be quantified? You can get a ballpark estimate by weighing it, waiting a certain amount of time, and weighing it again. Other than mushrooms exhaling co2 where would the weight loss come from? At the end you have your evaporation rate.
I donβt see the point of that but why couldnβt it be calculated in theory?
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] 1
#28376927 - 06/27/23 06:51 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Chamo said: Well now you are just continuing a debate because you want to be correct. If it is useless, donβt do it. I donβt know if you can make that claim. But I understand how you feel about it. Itβs okay brotha
I was talking about evaporation. And we agree on that.
But how do you say evaporation rates canβt be quantified? You can get a ballpark estimate by weighing it, waiting a certain amount of time, and weighing it again. Other than mushrooms respiring oxygen where would the weight loss come from? At the end you have your evaporation rate.
I donβt see the point of that but why couldnβt it be calculated in theory?
I'm not saying it can't be quantified, I'm asking how we quantify it.
My point about the statement being discussed as the main topic of the thread, and actually I'm pretty sure nektar's point as well, is that it's pretty much meaningless. Yes the word make sense together, it's gramatical and all that but wtf are we getting across with it?
And why I keep asking for quantification is cause obviously there's such a thing as too much evaporation, which is why we don't keep cakes exposed on the kitchen counter.
And no, I wasn't "trying to be right" that was literally my point. Fanning will not affect your grow in a noticeable way so it is unnecessary and useless by definition of the damn words
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#28376929 - 06/27/23 06:53 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Actually, sublimation is defined as going from the solid state directly to the gaseous state.
Yeah I realized my idiot mistake after clicking send, which is what usually happens.
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Fucking textbook. Love it.
Now how do we quantify it? What are the limits? Too much? Too little? What are our indicators?
Unless I'm stupid, which go ahead and rack my knuckles if I am, water vapor measured in the air is called Humidity.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] 6
#28376932 - 06/27/23 06:56 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Evaporation is secondary at best IMO.
You want to keep your substrate surface conditions wet hydrated, but evaporation would cause an absence of this moisture perse that would invoke a cultivator to begin a misting regimen that would then be going against cultivation advice of "leave it alone" "Don't mist it" "Just set it and forget it" "A dialed in Monotub doesn't need misting" yada yada yada.
But as we all know over misting has been a plague among new cultivators for well over a decade now.
In best practice you want to keep the surface kinda wet, but not terribly in order to keep the mycelium surface from drying out.
We preach about microclimate and I feel that at the micro-surface of the substrate we create this environment by keeping these "beads of moisture" to assure as that the surface will not dry and thus become unfavorable for fruiting.
With the onset of Fresh Air Exchange (FAE) we simulate the open air natural environment for mushrooms to grow.
In the wild foraging I encounter countless times were fruits are harvested "in the morning dew" so to speak, so the conditions are observed in nature.
As far as evaporation it's parts of a cycle that with out precipitation your land experiences drought conditions.
With all the being said, unless you plan on maintaining the evaporation cycle with misting and fanning (OLD TEK) just dial in your conditions as to maintain good surface hydration and allow passive air flow and you're golden.
Doing it the dialed in mono way makes fanning useless.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28376944 - 06/27/23 07:05 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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You have not seen an effect. If my experience tells me it does not hurt and can be beneficial in ways, what makes you correct if there is no way to quantify it?
You seem to like to use the quantification argument to downplay other theories, but you realize that it blows your argument out of the water as well? I am using meters and my experience over the years leans towards a benefit to occasional fanning,
Your experience says that it doesnβt do any good, then do not fan. If there is no way to quantify it then arguing beyond that point is useless for both sides, by the βdamnβ definition of the word.
And do not tell me Iβm the one who continues it lol I say let it go
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Tormato]
#28376946 - 06/27/23 07:06 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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I completely agree with everything you said
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#28376948 - 06/27/23 07:11 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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in my experience, the only people who fan are devil worshipers and people who dont love themselves. dialed in field capacity and a modified tub is whats up. or not. ive had canopies with unmodded tubs too if i babysit the lid-flip
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 2
#28376953 - 06/27/23 07:13 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Shoeboxes are the ultimate in neglecting your grows. Spawn it, lid it, leave it. If the mushrooms want to grow, theyβll push the lid off themselves.
Or use a grocery bag from the jump and throw all your worries into a trash can along with your triched out grow from yesterday.
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